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[Miss Soupy]

LOL thanks for the sig love guys! XD rusky_boz is such an awesome artist<3

Hm, I have to admit I've never tried reading Bleach. Mybe one day I will, since it's so popular but for now nothing really interests me. Reading people's somments about it I never felt really compelled to try it(as was the case with Naruto). I guess my biggest turn-off is Bleach being very depressing and it's lack of romance(or so they say).

That's kinda surprising you say you find bleach depressing XD I haven't honestly heard it described as such. Generally Kubo has a pretty light hearted style, or at least I think so. I'm mean, compared to Naruto, Bleach is definitely a lot less depressing of a story. While certain characters do have sad backgrounds, they are generally obstacles that are overcome and don't follow the characters throughout the entire story. I mean, compare that to someone like Sasuke XD;;

It's kinda ironic the same seiyuu voices Ishida and Sasuke. Both are characters that feature a sort of genocide in their past, yet Ishida doesn't have such intense hatred and emo-ness towards shinigami that Sasuke holds towards Itachi and then Konoha XD;; Oh Ishida, you moral compass you :3

[merryGOflava]

LOL thanks for the sig love guys! XD rusky_boz is such an awesome artist<3


That's kinda surprising you say you find bleach depressing XD I haven't honestly heard it described as such. Generally Kubo has a pretty light hearted style, or at least I think so. I'm mean, compared to Naruto, Bleach is definitely a lot less depressing of a story. While certain characters do have sad backgrounds, they are generally obstacles that are overcome and don't follow the characters throughout the entire story. I mean, compare that to someone like Sasuke XD;;

It's kinda ironic the same seiyuu voices Ishida and Sasuke. Both are characters that feature a sort of genocide in their past, yet Ishida doesn't have such intense hatred and emo-ness towards shinigami that Sasuke holds towards Itachi and then Konoha XD;; Oh Ishida, you moral compass you :3

maybe its more ichigo. cause comapared to naruto, ichigo is alittle more serious and angsty.

[tricksie]

yeah... I don't really read bleach. So... *ahem* ...miss soupy, would you mind if I just shipped your sig...?






edit: all your sigs, really. You always have such good ones!

Edited by tricksie, 18 July 2011 - 10:09 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

maybe its more ichigo. cause comapared to naruto, ichigo is alittle more serious and angsty.

Oh, that's a good point. I'd say Naruto is mostly a more energetic/goofy type of character compared to Ichigo who is more reserved. He does get loud, but that is usually more of a reaction to the energetic characters, which there are a lot of goofs in bleach XD I do generally love Naruto's type of character more than Ichigo's, to be honest.

yeah... I don't really read bleach. So... *ahem* ...miss soupy, would you mind if I just shipped your sig...?

Soon all the world will know the greatness that is UlquiHime! WAHAHAHAHA...o.o;;; I'm fine, really!

[Super Boom]

That's kinda surprising you say you find bleach depressing XD I haven't honestly heard it described as such. Generally Kubo has a pretty light hearted style, or at least I think so. I'm mean, compared to Naruto, Bleach is definitely a lot less depressing of a story. While certain characters do have sad backgrounds, they are generally obstacles that are overcome and don't follow the characters throughout the entire story. I mean, compare that to someone like Sasuke XD;;

I sort of got the same impression as Kim during the first arc. I'm not sure what it was, maybe the fact that it concerns the afterlife, or that they always seemed to fight at night, but my first impression was a little bit melancholy. It might be the background music in the anime too (that's where I started with Bleach); Bleach OST 1 had seem creepy tunes on it.

It's kinda ironic the same seiyuu voices Ishida and Sasuke. Both are characters that feature a sort of genocide in their past, yet Ishida doesn't have such intense hatred and emo-ness towards shinigami that Sasuke holds towards Itachi and then Konoha XD;; Oh Ishida, you moral compass you :3

Haha, that's an interesting comparison. I always like to draw comparisons between characters with the same English dub actors, since I can usually pick them out without looking them up. Plus since Viz dubs both Naruto and Bleach, a lot of the same voice actors are used in both.

Hmm, Ishida-Shino and Sasuke-Keigo? I suppose Ishida and Shino are both relatively quiet and smart, but Sasuke and Keigo are pretty much exact opposites, LOL. I'm ROTFLing right now at the thought of Sasuke jumping out yelling, "HI NARUTO!!!!"

Soon all the world will know the greatness that is UlquiHime! WAHAHAHAHA...o.o;;; I'm fine, really!

LOL, I love how you're so confident Ulquiorra's gonna come back. I have similar hopes for my man Grimm, but I'm a little worried about Bleach getting cancelled prematurely, or Kubo being forced to end more quickly than he'd like. From what I've heard, the current arc's really bombing in Japan right now.

I hope it picks up, I really don't want it to end this note.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 18 July 2011 - 11:25 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

I sort of got the same impression as Kim during the first arc. I'm not sure what it was, maybe the fact that it concerns the afterlife, or that they always seemed to fight at night, but my first impression was a little bit melancholy. It might be the background music in the anime too (that's where I started with Bleach); Bleach OST 1 had seem creepy tunes on it.

I guess death has that melancholy impression. When I started the bleach anime, I went through the eps really fast, so perhaps I didn't notice the melancholy as much. Not sure, since every time a character tried to act so serious, Kubo usually brought out some interesting quirk about them. I think of Ishida especially, how he was introduced almost as a villain and then how he and Ichigo teamed up against the menos the way they did...LOL I still giggle picturing Ichigo's idea of just chopping away from the bottom and Ishida with the sword taped to his head XD

Haha, that's an interesting comparison. I always like to draw comparisons between characters with the same English dub actors, since I can usually pick them out without looking them up. Plus since Viz dubs both Naruto and Bleach, a lot of the same voice actors are used in both.

Hmm, Ishida-Shino and Sasuke-Keigo? I suppose Ishida and Shino are both relatively quiet and smart, but Sasuke and Keigo are pretty much exact opposites, LOL. I'm ROTFLing right now at the thought of Sasuke jumping out yelling, "HI NARUTO!!!!"

It is really funny how the same voice actor can do such different roles XD I love the seiyuu for Sasuke and Ishida, he has done many great roles, including England from Axis Power Hetalia who is the most tsundere male character I have ever seen. He also has a great singing voice XD

LOL, I love how you're so confident Ulquiorra's gonna come back. I have similar hopes for my man Grimm, but I'm a little worried about Bleach getting cancelled prematurely, or Kubo being forced to end more quickly than he'd like. From what I've heard, the current arc's really bombing in Japan right now.

I hope it picks up, I really don't want it to end this note.

I don't really know what the rankings are, but is Bleach 'bombing' only in comparison to Naruto and One Piece or altogether the worst manga in Jump right now? I always considered Bleach, being one of the top 3, would have a long way to fall if it were to ever be cancelled... but I don't really know the numbers myself.

Until Kubo starts acting worried, I don't think I will be. He tweets quite often and I try to catch things people translate. So far he hasn't mentioned any worry, but I dunno if he would. I'm still counting on my bleach for 10 more years XD That's plenty of time for Ulquiorra and Grimmjow to make another appearance. Probably Nel too.

[Phantom_999]

LOL thanks for the sig love guys! XD rusky_boz is such an awesome artist<3


That's kinda surprising you say you find bleach depressing XD I haven't honestly heard it described as such. Generally Kubo has a pretty light hearted style, or at least I think so. I'm mean, compared to Naruto, Bleach is definitely a lot less depressing of a story. While certain characters do have sad backgrounds, they are generally obstacles that are overcome and don't follow the characters throughout the entire story. I mean, compare that to someone like Sasuke XD;;

It's kinda ironic the same seiyuu voices Ishida and Sasuke. Both are characters that feature a sort of genocide in their past, yet Ishida doesn't have such intense hatred and emo-ness towards shinigami that Sasuke holds towards Itachi and then Konoha XD;; Oh Ishida, you moral compass you :3

Hmm... are they now? I've never watched Bleach in Japanese so that's news to me though what you said about Ishida and Sasuke is true. And OF COURSE I love your new sig Orihime's really cute in this one!!! ALTHOUGH I'm kinda conflicted can't really choose between Ichihime and Ulquihime

I sort of got the same impression as Kim during the first arc. I'm not sure what it was, maybe the fact that it concerns the afterlife, or that they always seemed to fight at night, but my first impression was a little bit melancholy. It might be the background music in the anime too (that's where I started with Bleach); Bleach OST 1 had seem creepy tunes on it.



Haha, that's an interesting comparison. I always like to draw comparisons between characters with the same English dub actors, since I can usually pick them out without looking them up. Plus since Viz dubs both Naruto and Bleach, a lot of the same voice actors are used in both.

Hmm, Ishida-Shino and Sasuke-Keigo? I suppose Ishida and Shino are both relatively quiet and smart, but Sasuke and Keigo are pretty much exact opposites, LOL. I'm ROTFLing right now at the thought of Sasuke jumping out yelling, "HI NARUTO!!!!"



LOL, I love how you're so confident Ulquiorra's gonna come back. I have similar hopes for my man Grimm, but I'm a little worried about Bleach getting cancelled prematurely, or Kubo being forced to end more quickly than he'd like. From what I've heard, the current arc's really bombing in Japan right now.

I hope it picks up, I really don't want it to end this note.

Well honestly Ichigo without his shinigami powers is..... BORING I can't bring myself to really enjoy Bleach at the moment)

Edited by Phantom_999, 07 August 2011 - 09:20 PM.

[Super Boom]

I don't really know what the rankings are, but is Bleach 'bombing' only in comparison to Naruto and One Piece or altogether the worst manga in Jump right now? I always considered Bleach, being one of the top 3, would have a long way to fall if it were to ever be cancelled... but I don't really know the numbers myself.

I read an SJ manga popularity chart somewhere, and it looks Bleach has been in the lower third of Shonen Jump's popularity polls throughout the current arc, and has even been in the bottom three a few times. I'm sure Naruto's had similar misfortune in the past, but the trend still worries me.

But it's true I don't really know what 'bombing' really entails. I've always felt that Naruto, Bleach, and OP's 'Big Three' status is tied in to their larger international appeal, and the polls I've seen basically only reflect the Japanese audience.

Until Kubo starts acting worried, I don't think I will be. He tweets quite often and I try to catch things people translate. So far he hasn't mentioned any worry, but I dunno if he would. I'm still counting on my bleach for 10 more years XD That's plenty of time for Ulquiorra and Grimmjow to make another appearance. Probably Nel too.

Hee hee I hope you're right. I'm having Espada Withdrawal right now.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 19 July 2011 - 12:18 AM.

[ciardha]

I find Naruto (from around the search for Tsunade arc) the best written. The characters are quite multilayed and the romances have the emotional importance to the characters that they would have in real life in those kind of militaristic cultures and/or times- love and friendships become even more important. It also has the factor that is the clincher for me of a great story- it makes me reexamine my thoughts on serious social and/or philosophical questions. (I caught on pretty quickly Kishimoto was symbolically using what happened during the Cold War in South East Asia with Nagato's childhood flashbacks. It added another layer of depth to my lifelong feelings that war was wrong, it gave me an insight into something of what it was like for the children growing up there during that war- used a proxy battle ground between the US with France and the Soviet Union with China...

[Paptala]

Naruto is my favorite of the three - I've been following Naruto for years longer than I have been following Bleach. I just love Naruto and Sakura's characters to pieces; people say they're cliche archetypes, but I've never quite gotten so attached to two characters as I have them.

I also have to say, Naruto and Sakura's relationship is the only OTP I've had in the true sense of the word. Everything else was alright, but it just always seemed dull and flat to me (at the very most, I'd be like - "aw, what a cute moment" whereas with NS moments I literally melt and fangasm).

I do like Bleach, but I follow it sporadically, with half hearted interest. None of the romances there appeal to me all that much ; I find them about as tasteful and enjoyable as all the other shounen mangas I've read - just alright.

I haven't read One Piece, as the art style is a pretty big turn off to me. Though I've heard that it has an amazing story, so I'll likely give it a try some day (maybe when Naruto is finished).

[Codus N]

Meh, don't bother. I invested 3 days reading it, and I came to realize that it was the most absolutely overrated manga there is.

[merryGOflava]

Meh, don't bother. I invested 3 days reading it, and I came to realize that it was the most absolutely overrated manga there is.

just cause you feel that way doesnt mean everyone else will.

i like it. so maybe they will to, maybe not. but everyone should give it a chance at least once.

[Derock]

Here's what I feel about the Big 3:

Naruto: The reason why I love this series out of the 3 is not because of the artwork (how realistically Kishimoto drew his characters and settings from a little sloppy in the beginning toward beautiful and extraordinary of facial expressions and awesome sceneries in the present) but of the complelling and complex storyline, which is sort of being in the drama department.

Bleach: I did like Bleach a bit but I couldn't get into it until recently. Don't get me wrong though, Bleach has some awesome battles like Dragon Ball but it has tons of characters (and even more now) that I sort of can't get into that much. (Though I do love Orihime! <3 )

Now One Piece is the series I really don't understand in terms of popularity and its randomness. It has a great premise (young boy who eaten a devil fruit that gives him rubber-like powers who wants to become King of the Pirates by searching for One Piece) but then it starts to fall flat because Oda wants it to keep going and going like Energizer batteries. And the artwork is very unappealling, which make it is so freaking random to read.

I don't know how it become so popular in Japan in sales yet they do not milk it like they did with Naruto in terms of marketing, especially in the video game department. For example: while Naruto gets 1-3 games max being release or announce each year, following the conquest of the Dragon Ball series, and Bleach possibly get 1 or 2, One Piece doesn't follow that for some reason and this year, the series finally have a new game in development which probably will not hit internationally especially in the US because the series is not coming back (While the manga is still running here, the anime currently isn't airing on any TV channel, no available merchandise on the marketing department which Naruto already trumped other series in the anime/manga advertisements with clothing appeal, video games, trading cards, and more).

[merryGOflava]

why do ppl keep saying one piece art looks weird??? it looks like fairy tail, just a little bit different.

[Codus N]

Now One Piece is the series I really don't understand in terms of popularity and its randomness. It has a great premise (young boy who eaten a devil fruit that gives him rubber-like powers who wants to become King of the Pirates by searching for One Piece) but then it starts to fall flat because Oda wants it to keep going and going like Energizer batteries. And the artwork is very unappealling, which make it is so freaking random to read.

Exactly. I've invested 3 days into reading it and I concluded that OP is the most overhyped and overrated mangas of all time. Oda probably doesn't care about the end game. As long as it's popular, he'll keep pulling arcs outta nowhere. Which will take another 5 years making it into a total of 20 FREAKIN' years.

@merry: Oh, please. How could I get emotionally attached to the characters when the artwork doesn't convey it perfectly. For example, Ace crying when he found out Sabo was dead, I did not shed a single tear because instead of making Ace's expression as sad as possible, he instead made it look like he was trying to make a funny face.

[Super Boom]

just cause you feel that way doesnt mean everyone else will.

i like it. so maybe they will to, maybe not. but everyone should give it a chance at least once.

Exactly. Different people, different strokes. Maybe my opinion is skewed, since I only watched the dubbed anime (Sanji with a sucker *shivers*), but it's hard not to get irritated at comments that read along the lines of "I didn't like it, so noone else should".

@Codus: You're certainly entitled to an opinion, but keep in mind that appeal varies from person to person. Considering that OP outsells Naruto by a ratio of 4:1 in Japan, I think there's a good chance that's the case here. On top of that, I've met a fair amount of people who seem to think Naruto 'over-rated' and 'over-hyped', so these opinions certainly aren't limited to OP.

Sorry if sounds like I'm ragging on you, I just think your 3 days of OP experience might not be enough to tell people to 'not bother' with reading OP.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 19 July 2011 - 04:11 PM.

[Darth Krypt]

Sorry if sounds like I'm ragging on you, I just think your 3 days of OP experience might not be enough to tell people to 'not bother' with reading OP.

Yup. I liked all of the Big 3 no problem and also Fairy Tail. If something doesn't appeal to you doesn't mean it doesn't appeal to another person. I've followed tons of recommendations from my friends and didn't like some of them and they would go "WHY????". Not everyone needs to share your opinion.

@merryGOflava
I don't understand it either. I have no problem with OP's artwork.

Edited by Darth Krypt, 19 July 2011 - 03:44 PM.

[Codus N]

Exactly. Different people, different strokes. Maybe my opinion is skewed, since I only watched the dubbed anime (Sanji with a sucker *shivers*), but it's hard not to get to irritated at comments that read along the lines of "I didn't like it, so noone else should".

@Codus: You're certainly entitled to an opinion, but keep in mind that appeal varies from person to person.Considering that OP outsells Naruto by a ratio of 4:1 in Japan, I think there's a good chance that's the case here. On top of that, I've met a fair amount of people who seem to think Naruto 'over-rated' and 'over-hyped', so these opinions certainly aren't limited to OP.

Sorry if sounds like I'm ragging on you, I just think your 3 days of OP experience might not be enough to tell people to 'not bother' with reading OP.

True. I suppose I'm simply biased on OP in a negative way. But still, the overhyping, IMHO, really rubs me the wrong way. But of course, it is only my opinion. As for my 3 days' investment on OP experience, I read it from where I left off at the end of Davy Back Fight arc to the pre-timeskip chapter.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

What's interesting about Naruto's characters are also how they subvert the stereotypes: Naruto, the goofy, stupid kid who covers up his pain grows to be a less energetic and more intelligent person after his 2 1/2 years. Sure, some people call Sakura's plea to Naruto to stop chasing Sasuke as unnecessary drama, but Naruto's handling of it shows that he's not going to allow his feelings for Sakura to blind him and called her out on her attempt to manipulate his feelings, no matter how good her intentions are. Of course, with his interactions with the people around him HAS given Naruto a Chronic Hero Syndrome, much like another wacky arachnid-themed superhero.

Sakura: Classic tsundere, nope, due to character development, she's softened towards Naruto and she doesn't even hit him as much anymore. Her interactions with Naruto is tender, as one would expect from someone who's beyond best friends with Naruto. She recognizes what her actions have done to Naruto and attempts to make it up to him and take responsibility for her actions (unlike some tsundere*coughNarusegawacoughAsukacoughcough*). For example, she recognizes the heavy burden she placed on Naruto when her longing for Sasuke caused him to give his POTL, although she kinda realizes it too late and Naruto's rivalry with Sasuke has grown beyond that.

Then, we have other archetypes, like Jiraiya: Super-badass, cool old mentor who can do no wrong. Actually, I suspect he may have carried some hidden pain after witnessing Orochimaru's betrayal and outliving both his apprentice (Minato) and his master (Sarutobi). This may not be totally true but his reasoning for being a hermit might be because of some deep feelings of survivor's guilt and remorse. Of course, this one's an assumption, the manga doesn't really show some evidence of some shame and guilt except for failing to stop Orochimaru's betrayal.

The concept of the Rivalry's examined too. What would happen to a person if their rivalry's so intense, that it's practically become a validation of their worth? Well, you have Naruto and Sasuke. They judged each other via their rivalry. Sasuke calls Naruto dead last and weakling, Naruto tries to prove he's not...and it spirals out of control.....Heh, spirals.

Edited by shadow_Uzumaki, 19 July 2011 - 05:55 PM.