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[Phantom_999]

I was just wondering if anyone read and/or bought the Justice League (2018) issue where Superman one punched (pun intended) the World Forger, Alpheus? 

Edited by Phantom_999, 16 July 2019 - 06:49 PM.

[Illnevergiveup3]

I was just wondering if anyone read and/orbought the Justice League (2018) issue where Superman one punched (pun intended) the World Forger, Alpheus? 

yup. He the GOAT.

[Phantom_999]

How would you put his power at that moment? At his very strongest or Among his strongest levels of power?

[James S Cassidy]

How would you put his power at that moment? At his very strongest or Among his strongest levels of power?

Hmmm....you mean lately comic book wise or DCEU?

Comic book wise: Superman Rebirth is stupid powerful, but nowhere near as powerful as full power Silver Age Superman who, when fused with the sword of Superman, is at least multi-universe buster easily. PLUS, he has the memories and knowledge of all previous Superman's. That is tons of experience of over 1000 years.

DCEU: He is about as strong as Modern Age Superman on average. He can move plate tectonics without breaking a sweat.
 

 

I was just wondering if anyone read and/or bought the Justice League (2018) issue where Superman one punched (pun intended) the World Forger, Alpheus? 

You mean this
https://imgur.com/a/2VmRBVV

Here is him experiencing planet krypton exploding in less than a nanosecond as though in slow motion
https://imgur.com/a/OpUvhOq

Femto and Attosecond speed
https://imgur.com/a/90LJK2l

Shattered a planet just by jumping off of it in a weakened state
https://imgur.com/a/NLvY1Kr

The sad part is, Superman's powers in Rebirth flux even more than Modern Age did and with less logical ways.

 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 18 July 2019 - 12:59 AM.

[Illnevergiveup3]

I wouldn't say DCEU Superman is anywhere close to Modern Age Superman in power. Modern Age Superman can tow planets and move faster than light. He can take attacks that can mow down star systems and galaxies. Tectonic Plates is child's play for Modern Age Superman. The sun continually makes his stronger, so that he has unlimited power that he keeps discovering the harder the feat is. DCEU Superman doesn't have that type of power. I also believe Silver Age Superman can perform those feats without the sword.

And to me, Superman gets more powerful under the sun, he will only get stronger and stronger. He already showed that he could take out the brother of the Anti-Moniter. And to be honest, I wasn't surprised. Superman doesn't have limits, the more he is under the sun.

I also hate when they make Superman weaker just for a good story.His invulnerability is usually what they nerf the most when it comes to writing Superman stories.

Edited by Illnevergiveup3, 18 July 2019 - 12:09 AM.

[Phantom_999]

Hmmm....you mean lately comic book wise or DCEU?

Comic book wise: Superman Rebirth is stupid powerful, but nowhere near as powerful as pull power Silver Age Superman who, when fused with the sword of Superman is at least multi-universe buster easily. PLUS, he has the memories and knowledge of all previous Superman's. That is tons of experience of over 1000 years.

DCEU: He is about as strong as Modern Age Superman on average. He can move plate tectonics without breaking a sweat.
 

 

You mean this
https://imgur.com/a/2VmRBVV

Here is him experiencing planet krypton exploding in less than a nanosecond as though in slow motion
https://imgur.com/a/OpUvhOq

Femto and Attosecond speed
https://imgur.com/a/90LJK2l

Shattered a planet just by jumping off of it in a weakened state
https://imgur.com/a/NLvY1Kr

The sad part is, Superman's powers in Rebirth flux even more than Modern Age did and with less logical ways.

 

 

Oh I meant would you consider the moment he punched out the World Forger to be one of his greatest displays of his power if not his greatest? There are countless moments that don't involve defeating an enemy, I know, so I can't generalize the category. I just wanted to hear your thoughts on it

[James S Cassidy]

 

Oh I meant would you consider the moment he punched out the World Forger to be one of his greatest displays of his power if not his greatest? There are countless moments that don't involve defeating an enemy, I know, so I can't generalize the category. I just wanted to hear your thoughts on it

Umm....hard to tell. I'd say it is in the top 10. Maybe top 5, but not the first time he punched through dimensions.

Probably the most powerful feat of strength I think is when he pulled the Highfather's staff from the source wall. A feat that was described as taking immeasurable amounts of strength that no gods, old and new, could even budge. This staff is powerful enough to kill Darksied and revive him rather easily. (The god form, not his avatar.)

My main issue keeping it from top 3 feat is the fact that Superman had to be juiced up by several suns before he punched the Forger, but he was moving massively times faster than light and hit with enough force to crack the 6th dimension of space and time.

I'll say it is probably his 4th strongest feat. His STRONGEST feat would probably be pulling the staff followed by ripping open dimensions, not by punching, but by literally grabbing space and rip it open. Number 3 would probably be Punching dimensions apartment and shattering universes with his punch and then this punch.

Durability is even more crazy with him surviving the big bang and even time reality warping powers.

I do want to say this...New 52 Superman is stronger than Superman Rebirth...at least until they merged into one Superman becoming at least twice as powerful.
https://qph.fs.quora...b8ca5a6fff50334

When he was split, Superman could not absorb sun radiation as well as he did before which is why he was weaker, but now he is whole...his powers are back to near full strength.
 

 

I wouldn't say DCEU Superman is anywhere close to Modern Age Superman in power. Modern Age Superman can tow planets and move faster than light. He can take attacks that can mow down star systems and galaxies. Tectonic Plates is child's play for Modern Age Superman. The sun continually makes his stronger, so that he has unlimited power that he keeps discovering the harder the feat is. DCEU Superman doesn't have that type of power. I also believe Silver Age Superman can perform those feats without the sword.

It would be child's play for Modern Age Superman at full power, but on average MA Superman had a few limitations here and there. DCEU Superman is a bit different because while I can find feats, there is still not enough to really see how much power he has.

In the Batman v. Superman movie and even Justice League Superman was taking on the likes of all the JL and just man-handling them and this was a crazed up Superman out of his mind. A more sensible Superman was even making the Flash seem slow.

https://media.comicb...rman-231898.png

As for the tectonic plates, well...the context of that was that it was during a big earthquake and Superman pushed two tectonic plates in each hand. Assuming he was holding back the shift of say the strongest earthquake recorded. He would be holding about 6.6 sextillion tons in each hand. He would have to hold back the force to stop it while also applying more force to push it back.

That is on par with average MA Superman who can move planets.

Now since we never see the scene in question, I can't say whether this was a struggle for him or if he was barely breaking a sweat.

Silver-age was pulling entire galaxies without breaking a sweat and leagues above Modern Age on average. So DCEU version would be closer to Modern Age while Christopher Reeves Superman was more like Silver Age Superman.

That's my opinion, anyway 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 18 July 2019 - 01:37 AM.

[Phantom_999]

Do you have the comic panel where he pulled out the High Father's  staff?

[James S Cassidy]

Do you have the comic panel where he pulled out the High Father's  staff?

Here

Edited by James S Cassidy, 18 July 2019 - 01:51 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

Superman vs Dr. ManHatten

[James S Cassidy]

Thought I bring another update.
Another person by the handle of Heart of Steel made a thread of Superman's greatest feats that are NOT outliers. He shows how Superman does all these feats multiple times and how characters express and explain Superman's abilities.

So if anyone tries to argue about Superman feats, here is another good site to go to WITH calculations from low-calling to high-balling calculations. (Basically, the minimum amount it can be and the maximum they believe.)

And remember
Superman...."is ALWAYS holding back."

https://fatal-fictio..._and_Statistics

[BlueStarSaber]

Thoughts on superman revealing he is Clark Kent in the recent comics?

[BlueStarSaber]

Gonna post a stream I did with James Yesterday about Superman for everyone to check out

[Shadow Wolf]

Hey guys, so even though I do have some arguments in my mind, I was wondering if you guys could elaborate on why Superman could take down Scarlet Witch. I do know magic is a known weakness of Superman, but even Shazam (who also has magic at his disposal) has not truly defeated Superman, right?

EDIT: Thinking of the rules of this thread. So I should probably change my approach for this question: considering Superman's main weaknesses (magic and kryptonite), how has he been able to overcome them in order to prevail?

Edited by Shadow Wolf, 08 April 2021 - 12:23 PM.