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[FireFox]

Another really good chapter, I didn't expect any of this to happen. It's a bit of shame since there were some spoilers going around about Sakura being compared to Kushina but regardless the chapter was still very good! Minato using that Senjutsu?! Also no sign of any visible deformation meaning he must have mastered it...

 

I would have to say even though it was epic it seems like an ass pull since he didn't use it when Obito was the Juubi Jinchuriki. Tbh still happy he has it just makes his character more bad ass then it already was. Although he did get destroyed by Madara like it was child's play  Madara must have some illegal speed right now to be able to stop Minato even though he used the Hiraishin.

Interesting to see what will happen with Obito now, I assume he will be the one to return Kurama back to Naruto.

LOL The war police should bring out the speed radar on Madara and gave him a ticket , no using speed for three hours    .

[Enkai]

LOL The war police should bring out the speed radar on Madara and gave him a ticket , no using speed for three hours    .

 

He is actually too much of a beast now not that he wasn't OP to begin with. Not sure how his speed increased so much perhaps similar to Naruto when he first got Kyuubi mode and his speed nearly matched that of Minato? Sucks to see Minato just get owned like that after he just showcased himself being able to use Sage mode though... I was actually so happy when Obito like well I guess stabbed Madara with this hand? Epic moment for him haha

[rocci]

It's the matrix again.

 

I smell parallel.

 

how can minato perform sm?

 

still predicting sakura get a stab.

[Jake]

This had to have been a recent conception from Kishi since Minato as late as #642 had compartmentalised Jiraiya and Naruto as sage users. 

 

Earlier chapter

 

"He can use the same senjutsu as Jiraiya-sensei?!" 

 

Why make this distinction with Jiraiya and Naruto from everyone else? If Minato was capable of senjutsu as well, why not say something to the effect of, "He can use the same senjutsu as Jiraiya-sensei and I?!" 

 

 

Yeah even just saying "He can use Senjutsu" would've been more foreshadowing than this.

[Otaru]

Ooookkkk so Minato lost his left arm now....

WHO will seal the Yin Kurama inside Naruto ?

- Obito will just "send" it to Naruto in a way we don't know ?

- Kakashi ?

- Sakura under the teaching of Minato ?

 

Anyway, it really looks like that Naruto will get another half of Kurama now, so my theory that it would have no jinchuuriki anymore might be wrong. My very first theory that Naruto will go search for yang Kurama with the help of Yin Kurama seems more legit now.

Moreover, I always had this feeling that Naruto IS actually the Rikudo or his reincarnation and that he would take all the bijuus in him.

This thing about connecting everyone, it's pretty much what Naruto did with connecting everyone with Kyuubi chakra.

And Naruto is just like Rikudo.

Moreover, he feels more and more the nullity of war.

 

I'm disappointed in this chapter about Sakura.

Kishi still let her be here beside Naruto, but she basically almost did nothing.

We can see that she still has her hand in Naruto's chest, but she isn't doing artificial respiration anymore, and Naruto needs to breathe god damn it !! LOL Just kiss him already ^^'

It's a little inconsistent to me...

I wanted to see her more active, and more reactive too.

Now she's pretty immobile, and it's just some facial expressions...

I guess Kishi wanted her to look like she doesn't loose hope, so that's why she isn't crying... and everything must happen so fast... so she just has shocked expression meh... on top of that, I think he doesn't want to develop her right now. At least, he gave her some panel time.

 

She could have say something like yelling that Naruto would not make it. I don't know.

Since last chapter, she is less reactive IMO, and it seems not this realistic.

What do you think ?

 

Still, I'm happy that Obito will get some redemption, but to be honest here, I didn't wait for something like that to happen.

I really hope Obito will not save everything all alone ! Like killing Madara AND save Naruto.

Please Kishimoto...

 

How could Obito destroy him all alone ? He wasn't strong enough to fight against the alliance... and Madara owned the alliance... so now Obito will own Madara ? Please...

 

Anyway, I'm happy we didn't see anything about Sasuke, because really, IDC.

 

Kishi is really trying to extend the suspense until the last chapter of the volume.

 

 

But , if Obito does defeat Madara , he won't be able to give Naruto only Kurama , he will most likely give him full Juubi with a complete Kurama included ... If that happens , I do not see what power up can Sasuke get to keep up ... rinnegan ... maybe

 

You're right man.

 

So... that could happen more faster than I thought.

Edited by Otaru, 19 February 2014 - 10:08 AM.

[LadyGT]

^ just wait for the next chapter man.

[FireFox]

 

He is actually too much of a beast now not that he wasn't OP to begin with. Not sure how his speed increased so much perhaps similar to Naruto when he first got Kyuubi mode and his speed nearly matched that of Minato? Sucks to see Minato just get owned like that after he just showcased himself being able to use Sage mode though... I was actually so happy when Obito like well I guess stabbed Madara with this hand? Epic moment for him haha

Yeah i know what you mean his speed is insane ,  it's because the bijuu's chakra is so powerful it boost everything about yourself and give you some more so yes it's the same case with Naruto's speed in BM plus Madara also has a SM so he's speed is even greater than Obito's when he was the Juubi's Jinchu , if Minato had Kurama in him i think that he would have been on the same level of speed with Madara well more or less that is .

 

Minato will get his arm back i'm 100% sure about this and maybe both of his arms cus i think that SM nullifies that ability of Madara's just like it was the case with Obito , or there will be no point for Minato to still fight or help his son without any arms he doesn't have Kurama anymore so chakra extended hands is out of the question that's my take on this case .

 

Obito hmmmm watching the last Naruto episode/s made me hate him so much for what he did to MinaKushi , but yeah i guess i can be glad for him now but pity him  NEVER   , though i loved his speech with Naruto and Madara that was cool and what he did in the end to Madara .  

[Jake]

Ooookkkk do Minato lost his other left arm now....

WHO will seal the Yin Kurama inside Naruto ?

- Obito will just "send" it to Naruto in a way we don't know ?

- Kakashi ?

- Sakura under the teaching of Minato ?

 

As we saw last week Minato was able to transfer Yin Kurama without any sealing jutsu, so I assume it would work that way if Obito did it too.

 

EDIT: If Minato transferred Yin Kurama into Black Zetsu/Obito without a sealing Jutsu, doesn't that mean that Yin Kurama could leave when ever he wants, after all that is why the Biju tried to break the seal wasn't it?

Edited by Jake, 19 February 2014 - 10:00 AM.

[rocci]

^^^

minato use sealing jutsu, even with just one hand.

I think the one who will seal the fox is sakura with the help from minato just like what otaru said.

[Jake]

^^^

minato use sealing jutsu, even with just one hand.

I think the one who will seal the fox is sakura with the help from minato just like what otaru said.

 

@bolded: What proof do you have to back that up?

[brother]

I think someone mentioned it earlier, but Minato probably didn't use senjutsu earlier because he was unable to combine it with KM. He only used it now because he had a moment while Madara was trying to convince Obito to rejoin him.

[Otaru]

 

As we saw last week Minato was able to transfer Yin Kurama without any sealing jutsu, so I assume it would work that way if Obito did it too.

 

EDIT: If Minato transferred Yin Kurama into Black Zetsu/Obito without a sealing Jutsu, doesn't that mean that Yin Kurama could leave when ever he wants, after all that is why the Biju tried to break the seal wasn't it?

 

 

I think Kishi didn't bother to draw everything about the sealing because he knew he would make it fail and BZ would steal the Yin Kurama.

 

 

I think someone mentioned it earlier, but Minato probably didn't use senjutsu earlier because he was unable to combine it with KM. He only used it now because he had a moment while Madara was trying to convince Obito to rejoin him.

 

 

That makes a lot of sense !

Edited by Otaru, 19 February 2014 - 10:13 AM.

[FireFox]

 

 

I'm disappointed in this chapter about Sakura.

Kishi still let her be here beside Naruto, but she basically almost did nothing.

We can see that she still has her hand in Naruto's chest, but she isn't doing artificial respiration anymore,

I wanted to see her more active, and more reactive too.

Now she's pretty immobile, and it's just some facial expressions...

I guess Kishi wanted her to look like she doesn't loose hope, so that's why she isn't crying... and everything must happen so fast... so she just has shocked expression meh...

At least, she could have say something like yelling that Naruto would not make it. I don't know.

Since last chapter, she is less reactive IMO, and it seems not this realistic.

What do you think ?

 

 

You should be glad that she's not using CPR anymore or that it was a one time thing cus it makes the CPR special and gives him a meaning beyond just regular CPR , think about this for a second it's what we have been saying all along Kishi did that for a reason and the fact that she's not using it anymore proves that even more.

 

And what exactly do you want her to do she's busy with keeping Naruto alive still massaging his heart , plus look at her facial expression when Obito's heading toward Madara look at the despair into her eyes , cus she knows that Kurama is now with Obito and she feels like all the hope for saving Naruto will be gone and she will not crack until that happens but you can clearly see that desperation,fear and what not in her eyes , i have to say that was my favorite scene in this chapter .

 

And like LGT said just wait for the next chapter/s when Naruto wakes up .            

[Atheck]

As we saw last week Minato was able to transfer Yin Kurama without any sealing jutsu, so I assume it would work that way if Obito did it too.

It would be hilarious if Minato demonstrated that he's capable of using handseals with his feet or tongue. A very convenient skill if you have no arms to speak of.
 

EDIT: If Minato transferred Yin Kurama into Black Zetsu/Obito without a sealing Jutsu, doesn't that mean that Yin Kurama could leave when ever he wants, after all that is why the Biju tried to break the seal wasn't it?

That's a good question. During Shukaku's flashback, we saw him interacting with Gaara (as a child) without the usual cage to prevent the bijuu from overtaking his mind and body. They weren't on friendly terms with each other because Shukaku admitted that he hated humans; yet he didn't try and destroy this mental representation of Gaara that was in front of him for whatever reason. Maybe the sealing jutsu used to contain him is different than the one that Naruto received? Naruto could accessibly release Kurama with just a key he received from the frogs. For Gaara, he needed to fall asleep if he wanted to use Shukaku's powers fully.

There's also the possibility that Black Zetsu used a genjutsu to restrain Yin Kurama. Or he's just that resilient that not even a bijuu can overcome his mind and body (being Madara's essence should count for something).

[Otaru]

So, is naruto ending with everybody stripped of chakra and start living as normal humans?

 

I think something like that is foreshadowed for a long time.

Kishimoto keep sending us that type of vibe, so yeah, Naruto might end this way.

Naruto is supposed to bring peace, and he is supposed to permit everyone to understand each other, as Jiraiya wished.

Naruto is also supposed to free the bijuus.

 

Everything links to some day in the future where ninjas would not be ninjas anymore. No more fights. No more cruelty.

Edited by Otaru, 19 February 2014 - 10:25 AM.

[Jake]

I think someone mentioned it earlier, but Minato probably didn't use senjutsu earlier because he was unable to combine it with KM. He only used it now because he had a moment while Madara was trying to convince Obito to rejoin him.

 

Yang Kurama told Naruto that he was always able to use both, (like when he confronted Nagato), Kurama just didn't like that Naruto was using the two Toad Sages instead of him.

 

 

 

I think Kishi didn't bother to draw everything about the sealing because he knew he would make it fail and BZ would steal the Yin Kurama.

 

 

 

 

That makes a lot of sense !

 

So just putting a Jutsu Name up on the panel letting us know that Minato is using an actual Jutsu is to much of a hassle or something?

[Otaru]

no hinata either

 

Yet some fans thought Hinata would come and save Naruto !!! O_o

 

 

Obito's going to die. He'll transfer his power back to naruto in his last moments, make a narusaku obirin parralel while hes at it and then we can have Sasuke and Naruto fight madara, otherwise whats Hashi's jutsu gonna be used for.

 

That would be cool =)

 

 

Am I the only one that was completely suprised by Minato being able to do senjutsu??? Seems like Kishi pulled that out of thin air...

 

Yes I was very surprised too !

I guess the explanation someone gave here about Senjutsu compatibility with Kyuubi must be why Minato uses this only now and not before.

I think that's why he was THAT impressed with Naruto mastering it.

Because he didn't succeed in because of Yin Kurama.

But Naruto succeed even with yang Kurama.

That's why Minato was THAT surprised IMO.

He didn't expect Naruto to be that skilled.

 

 

So now there's a scientific explanation for what Sasuke and Naruto claimed was "understanding each other through our fists". Kishi is leaving no stone unturned in trying to tie up loose ends.

 

That's really wise IMO.

It makes a lot of sense.

Edited by Otaru, 19 February 2014 - 10:47 AM.

[TacticalFox88]

Damn. Minato...SMH.

[Otaru]

I have to say i love the despair that was shown in Sakura's eyes as Obito walks toward Madara she was probably thinking like all hope is lost for Naruto at that moment i just loved that , and like everyone already said  i smell ObiRin parallel coming soon  .

 

To me it seemed more like a shocked and sad expression for the fact that Minato was owned by Madara, and lost his last arm.

Maybe I'm wrong and Kishi wanted to express something like you said, but IMO it was something more "immediate".

 

 

You should be glad that she's not using CPR anymore or that it was a one time thing cus it makes the CPR special and gives him a meaning beyond just regular CPR , think about this for a second it's what we have been saying all along Kishi did that for a reason and the fact that she's not using it anymore proves that even more.

 

And what exactly do you want her to do she's busy with keeping Naruto alive still massaging his heart , plus look at her facial expression when Obito's heading toward Madara look at the despair into her eyes , cus she knows that Kurama is now with Obito and she feels like all the hope for saving Naruto will be gone and she will not crack until that happens but you can clearly see that desperation,fear and what not in her eyes , i have to say that was my favorite scene in this chapter .

 

And like LGT said just wait for the next chapter/s when Naruto wakes up .            

 

I know ^^

 

I think I just wanted her to talk more ^^

 

 

 

So just putting a Jutsu Name up on the panel letting us know that Minato is using an actual Jutsu is to much of a hassle or something?

 

I don't know, I'm just trying to guess.

Maybe Kishi didn't bother to highlight the sealing because he knew he wouldn't made it complete and BZ would stole Yin Kurama.

The focus was on BZ, not on the sealing.

You see what I mean ?

 

To me it's obvious Minato was doing the same sealing jutsu that he did on Naruto when he was a baby.

But Kishi didn't bother to explain more because the focus was elsewere.

I think it's also because of that that he didn't drew Sakura doing mouth to mouth to Naruto again.

Edited by Otaru, 19 February 2014 - 11:11 AM.

[BlueStarSaber]

That was an interesting chapter. Loved Sakura's reactions. an Interesting talk between Madara and Obito and more info of the Sage and Madara's plans. Nice to see Obito stand up for himself. Minato with SM didn't see that coming.

Minato having SM was foreshadowed a long time ago so i'm not surprised about that i just don't know why did Kishi chose to show it now when there were far more better scenes to do that , like when they were fighting against Obito , or maybe he wasn't able to fuse SM with KM so maybe that's the reason for it ? Also how is Minato supposed to save Naruto now when he's armless , what was the point of the last chapter if Obitto's gonna do it now which is i guess thru combining the both halves of Kurama ? I'm really confused about this part but maybe Minato will gain his arm back cus he was in SM when it was cut of so maybe SM will negate that ability of Madara's , in fact i'm calling it out right now that that's gonna be the case here i just don't know what role will he play now in saving his son maybe helping Obito extract Kurama from Madara ? Men so many possibilities my head hurts just from thinking of them .

Where was it foreshadowed?