@James S. Cassidy:
I think between a nice guy and "Nice" Guy there's a very thin line, but a line nonetheless. It's normal to be frustrated and upset when a girl you like doesn't like you and seems to go for everyone else, especially when you're the one "ALWAYS THERE", but you can't forget your love interest is also a person, not just the object of your desire. You shouldn't keep EXPECTING reciprocation or manipulate all their defenses to get them to that point. They have just as much as right to not like you as you have to like them. The RIGHT nice guy (or nice girl for that matter) is to respect your crush's feelings, even if it's not for you and you love them without expecting anything or manipulation. It shouldn't be the same as weak or a willing doormat - that's just unhealthy. You should be able to stand up for both yourself and them.
The worst "Nice" guy character I've ever seen in fiction was in this book series I read. He was a side character who had a one-book romance with the heroine after her falling out with the hero, but then in the next book she realized she still loved the hero and politely told them she just wanted to be friends. Next thing you know, the next book this "nice guy" - the same guy who tried too hard to defend her he wouldn't even let her speak up for herself - went bats**t crazy and tried to kill her father and her own kids as punishment for breaking up with him. Yeah, I'm not joking. This was the same guy who "claimed" to love her.
Kishimoto's characters aren't nearly as bad as that example, but no one who had romantic interest in anyone followed the "nice girl/nice guy" philosophy. They all became selfish, twisted characters who view people as prizes instead of people and constantly expected something that never should've been expected. That is not love, that's obsession. Karin might've surpassed this, but with how little it makes sense given the rest of the series it might as well not exist. Kishimoto doesn't know how to write romance. I hope for any of his future readers' sake he never makes another character involved with romance. He taints the character and he taints the series.
Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 21 July 2015 - 04:12 AM.