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#61 SlyNinjaKnight

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    Wish that Kishi would just stop trying to 'fix' Naruto, I guess that no one ever told him the phrase 'digging your own grave'. I will remember fondly the characters that made me love Naruto that were sacrificed at the all-mighty altar that is money (and crazy fan boys/girls).

Posted 05 November 2015 - 07:03 PM

Wouldn't Sakura being a surrogate make more sense if SK became canon rather than SS?

 

Well since we still have no confirmation that Sasuke and Sakura have even kissed, let alone done the deed, I'm not sure and it would fit into the twisted and obsessed, pathetic character that Sakura became in the end.



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Posted 05 November 2015 - 07:16 PM

Well since we still have no confirmation that Sasuke and Sakura have even kissed, let alone done the deed, I'm not sure and it would fit into the twisted and obsessed, pathetic character that Sakura became in the end.


It is possible to have sex without kissing. But if you believe otherwise, fine by me

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    Wish that Kishi would just stop trying to 'fix' Naruto, I guess that no one ever told him the phrase 'digging your own grave'. I will remember fondly the characters that made me love Naruto that were sacrificed at the all-mighty altar that is money (and crazy fan boys/girls).

Posted 05 November 2015 - 07:39 PM

It is possible to have sex without kissing. But if you believe otherwise, fine by me

 

I do believe that Sasuke and Sakura did the deed, even if their interactions in the manga seem to show that they 'loveless' relationship, but obviously it was something like Sasuke put it in, a moment later it was over, very clinically and cold. That's why I do think my first theory about Karin's DNA being in Sasuke from all the 'healing' she did of him, and overwhelming any DNA from Sakura is a more realistic theory. But then again, apparently Tsunade's super strength technique is genetic so... who knows what is true? Honestly, at this rate we could see in like a month that Kishi comes out and says something that completely contradicts everything we've learned so far, his track record supports that.



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Posted 06 November 2015 - 03:27 AM

If using the theory that Karin's the mother, I feel so bad for her she doesn't get to keep her own kid (Sarada goes to Sakura.) probably Sasuke said something along the lines of: "You're a rogue nin with a reputation almost as bad as mine, Karin, whereas Sakura is a war hero. You want your kid to be raised in Orochimaru's liar with you, or safe in Konoha growing up with other kids her age with Sakura?" and then yeah.
Later when questioned, Karin says she's not her kid.


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Posted 08 November 2015 - 01:13 PM

What are you talking about? Sakura does love Naruto...she just chose Sasuke because she chose lust not love.

Nope after the ending any romantic feelings sakura had to naruto died along her character

 

In the novels she still liked Naruto. She got jealous when he was spending more time with Hinata, said she wished Sasuke was more like Naruto and was the only person who didn't give a positive toast to NH wedding (oh yeah two of the novels she was also suffering from depression)  Then there's the fact that Sasuke never even kissed Sakura they're whole relationship let alone had sex

Nope where did you read this ?

In kakashi novel (which happen before the last) sakura says for naruto take care of hinata so naruto asks if she is jealous and sakura says "Nope you know I decided wait for sasuke-kun"

In sakura novel sakura is not jealous of hinata and naruto she actually don't want to see any couple because she starts to think about sasuke and when he is coming back the same happens when she see sai and ino and hear about choji and kamui, by this logic sakura is also in love with choji and ino

This thing "wished Sasuke was more like Naruto"  is fake was just something a trolll anon said on tumblr and people started to believe it was true I already the novels and there is nothing like this

and about the naruhina marriage it's said in the end of the novel sakura is sad because she is thinking about what sasuke is doing

NH fans too bad for SP none of them were in Japan so sales flopped

 

Salad is pretty obviously not Sakura's kid this was hinted at several times in gaiden and nearly borderline openly admitted by Sakura and Sasuke himself

 

Again her still having feelings for Naruto were still there. Kishi also said that Sakura was based on his wife and that he never even thought of NH until SP gave him the last story. Kishi contradicts himself more than george lucas

Yep it's hinted very times in gaiden sarada is karin's kid but in the end wee see all hints was just a low bait to get some fans back

Nope sakura sai with all words in gaiden sarada is her kid

Nope sakura don't have feelings for naruto there

In gaiden she calls naruto a "dear friend" and in the boruto movie sakura is blushing when sarada teases her about sasuke coming back and in the novel of the movie it's even more weird because sarada cleary makes a sex joke with sakura about sasuke 

 

Which can just be handwaved away by Karin kittening....literally give me one thing about her statement that's consistent with anything. Do explain to me how a pregnant Sakura wandered all the way in Orochimaru's lair was dilvered by Karin and nobody noticed but her...

hell even in the final chapter Sasuke admits Sakura has no impact on him just the connection between the two of them is Salad....meaning she's not a product of their love she's the only connection they have....because she's adopted. 

 

Thinking she isn't Karin's child because of a statement of Karin's that can easily be handwaved off as kitten in addition to her final look in the manga implying what she said was kitten and Kishi saying afterwords that her mother was "left up for interpretation"....oh yeah and Sasuke still has never kissed Sakura either...

It's explained in sasuke shiden sakura is not pregnant when she started to travel with him

at end of the novel we see sakura saying her is going to go with sasuke even if he says no and in the next page we see sasuke coming back so it's very explicit she started to travel with him in the same day when sasuke come back in the novel

 

It's not a matter of hope it's a matter of logic. Naruto's a scumbag for using Sakura to get to Sasuke. Sakura's shallow for choosing Sasuke over someone who actually cared for her whenever she needed it. Hinata's borderline serial killer material. Sasuke is not only a spoiled brat who leanred nothing but now he basically owns Sakura whose his personal housemaid and cheated on her because he's a docuhe bag. 

After all it's a manga for kids so nothing like a revelation of sakura don't being the mother and a divorce and ns happening is going to happen man 

It's ok in a head-canon but in the canon it's dumb even to think about this


Edited by yimiiyumi, 08 November 2015 - 01:35 PM.


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Posted 08 November 2015 - 01:49 PM

It's explained in sasuke shiden sakura is not pregnant when she started to travel with him
at end of the novel we see sakura saying her is going to go with sasuke even if he says no and in the next page we see sasuke coming back so it's very explicit she started to travel with him in the same day when sasuke come back in the novel
 


Gaiden hints that Sakura chased after Sasuke with Karin while pregnant

Basically they never travelled together in canon specially considering the timeline,its heavily hinted Sasuke had a one hit thing and Sakura had to chase after him with a baby in her belly

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 02:09 PM

Gaiden hints that Sakura chased after Sasuke with Karin while pregnant

Basically they never travelled together in canon specially considering the timeline,its heavily hinted Sasuke had a one hit thing and Sakura had to chase after him with a baby in her belly

From what I remember while reading the raw karin just said sakura chased after sasuke nothing about if sakura was or no pregnant while this

Anyway we see sakura near to the end of the novel saying the next time sasuke comes back her is going to follow him even if he don't wants to



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Posted 08 November 2015 - 02:48 PM

From what I remember while reading the raw karin just said sakura chased after sasuke nothing about if sakura was or no pregnant while this
Anyway we see sakura near to the end of the novel saying the next time sasuke comes back her is going to follow him even if he don't wants to


Karin specifically says that she followed Sasuke with Sakura and then Sakura had to have her baby in orochimaru's hideout in which Karin helped, thats why Salad has no birth record in konoha , so yes a she was pregnant


And in which novel Sakura says that? Well not like it makes a difference, we all know how Sakura really acts near Sasuke, I doubt she'd be able to force her way into his redemption travels

It also doesnt fits the timeline so there is that

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 03:22 PM

Karin specifically says that she followed Sasuke with Sakura and then Sakura had to have her baby in orochimaru's hideout in which Karin helped, thats why Salad has no birth record in konoha , so yes a she was pregnant


And in which novel Sakura says that? Well not like it makes a difference, we all know how Sakura really acts near Sasuke, I doubt she'd be able to force her way into his redemption travels

It also doesnt fits the timeline so there is that

In sasuke's novel 

Don't sure if her really "forced" him but she said her is going to follow him even if he says no

Well at end of novel it's said sasuke is coming back to konoha so I guess : sasuke comes back and makes the "do" with sakura (or maybe it was raped by her) so he comes back to his travel again then some time after sakura finds out she is waiting for a baby from sasuke and chase after him and her finds karin and well the rest is what karin said in gaiden



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Posted 08 November 2015 - 09:11 PM

well, the first theory and assumption that has no butthurt in it; you provided some good points even though they aren't 100% acceptable per se

 

Even so, sakura could have chose neither or... nah, just forget it, Kishimoto and his editors aren't this capable.



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Posted 09 November 2015 - 05:50 AM

Karin specifically says that she followed Sasuke with Sakura and then Sakura had to have her baby in orochimaru's hideout in which Karin helped, thats why Salad has no birth record in konoha , so yes a she was pregnant


And in which novel Sakura says that? Well not like it makes a difference, we all know how Sakura really acts near Sasuke, I doubt she'd be able to force her way into his redemption travels

It also doesnt fits the timeline so there is that

 

In theory. All it is is genjutsu that Sasuke placed upon them. Perhaps Sasuke got kairin pregnant but Karin was too psychotic  to be a mother, so he blanked her memory with Genjutsu and made Sakura the mother of his child instead.


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Posted 09 November 2015 - 10:50 AM

Sorry but no, it doesn't make sense at all, and this doesn't even begin to justify the ending. Firstly, you used Naruto changing as reason for Sakura not falling in love with him, essentially saying it was Naruto's fault in the first place. Basically you said that Naruto changed, and that it was incumbent on him to make Sakura love him. You say that you're not accounting for the Last's logic, yet that is the exact logic used in the movie: "Naruto can change, but Sakura can not because she is a woman therefore his feelings aren't worth as much as hers".

His handling of Kaguya has nothing to do with it, because he had no other choice but to seal her, even the sage said that. Naruto is not Hashirama, and the circumstances you provided literally have nothing to do with each other.

Also, what the hell does Sakura's family have to do with Naruto? It's not his job to care for her. It's not his job to know her business.

Sakura didn't choose Sasuke over Naruto because Naruto changed, she chose Sasuke because she is a disgustingly selfish, shallow person that wanted to bolster her self worth by ending up with a guy who everyone loved for no reason, and then she would finally beat Ino.

Not to mention the fact that Kaguya came before the Sasuke fight, and Naruto fought Sasuke and brought him back. He even told Kakashi that he was keeping his promise before he left to fight Sasuke. Therefore to that point, Naruto didn't change, and this argument has no basis.

Sorry, but it doesn't make any sense in the slightest. NS didn't happen because Kishi was shallow enough to care about popularity before quality and message, end of story.

Nice try but NOPE.:P 

 

It didn't change Kaguya because she appear in like the last 20 chapters of the manga with no material whatsoever that make sense to begin with. Beside, we're talking about a god entity that better off be dead in the first place. She was the one villain who was evil for the hell of it. Turning people into Zetsu. OH WOW. Just die. Beside, they didn't even kill her, they seal her with the sun and moon seal, whatever tatoo Naruto and Sasuke had in the palm of their hand. That was the only way to stop her.

 

As for Sakura, REALLY. That was your explanation. Naruto change because he killed that girl without redeeming her. So I don't want that kind of guy. I'm sorry but hooking up with Sasuke after ALL THE BLAST SHE GOT FROM HIM DURING THE WAR ARC, while Naruto saved her twice, always worry about her safety and then she finally got to save him  (don't get me on the lips to lips contact and she litteraly hold Naruto heart in her hand while doing so) YES it was medical but since when Naruto manga detail medical procedure like that.

 

Kishi give up on Naruto or plain sold out. That sad but that's all there is to it:(.



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Posted 13 November 2015 - 05:10 PM

seeing how naruto, and sakura never interact anymore just shows they're not friends, nor do they care about eachother anymore. if they did naruto would ALWAYS be there for sakura, because thats what true friends do, TRUE friends' are there for eachother no matter what, TRUE friends wont betray a friend.TRUE friends' will love you no matter what, and wont dump you just because an old flame/crush/whatever comes along, TRUE friends will wholeheartedly love their friend for who they are.


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Posted 14 November 2015 - 07:30 AM

 sarada clearly makes a sex joke with sakura about sasuke 

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Bc that's completely normal. Ppl make sex jokes about their parents all the time.


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Posted 14 November 2015 - 07:33 AM

In sasuke's novel 

Don't sure if her really "forced" him but she said her is going to follow him even if he says no

Well at end of novel it's said sasuke is coming back to konoha so I guess : sasuke comes back and makes the "do" with sakura (or maybe it was raped by her) so he comes back to his travel again then some time after sakura finds out she is waiting for a baby from sasuke and chase after him and her finds karin and well the rest is what karin said in gaiden

The fact that she had her child in Oro's hideout just shows how horrible a father Sasuke is. What kind of parent would allow his child to be born in the lair of the demon who WANTED TO STEAL AN UCHIHA BODY!!!!!!


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Posted 14 November 2015 - 04:28 PM

The more I think about... how unhealthy is it to just sit there everyday and wait for someone who may never comeback or may not comeback the same person? Seriously, is that the type of solid relationship Kishimoto was wanting because then he's nothing like Naruto, rather he's like Sasuke considering he's stated before he was almost never home, thus his wife is still like Sakura despite his BS that he's trying to say that's she's like Hinata (although it works for both these couples I suppose in some way). Back to the sulking though... wth was that, Sakura never cared about Sasuke missing that much to where it affected her social activity when the manga was still going strong


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Posted 15 November 2015 - 01:02 AM

The fact that she had her child in Oro's hideout just shows how horrible a father Sasuke is. What kind of parent would allow his child to be born in the lair of the demon who WANTED TO STEAL AN UCHIHA BODY!!!!!!


Having her child in Orochimaru's lair shows how awful a mother Sakura is. Sakura was there when Sasuke stated he was going on a mission to find people, that were in his words, "possibly a bigger threat than Kaguya". Which means that Sakura, with full knowledge that she was pregnant, packed up and left with unborn child in tow to find Sasuke who was on a mission to find people, again, that were "more dangerous than Kaguya herself". The fact what she chose her childish fantasies over her unborn child shows that Sakura was never ever ever fit to be a mother in the first place. She should have had Salad taken from her.

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Posted 15 November 2015 - 01:18 AM

The more I think about... how unhealthy is it to just sit there everyday and wait for someone who may never comeback or may not comeback the same person? Seriously, is that the type of solid relationship Kishimoto was wanting because then he's nothing like Naruto, rather he's like Sasuke considering he's stated before he was almost never home, thus his wife is still like Sakura despite his BS that he's trying to say that's she's like Hinata (although it works for both these couples I suppose in some way). Back to the sulking though... wth was that, Sakura never cared about Sasuke missing that much to where it affected her social activity when the manga was still going strong

may be off topic but Hybristophilia is an interesting read regarding dysfunctional relationship. i only learnt this term today, never knew the whole girl-love-bad-boy thing may actually be set in reality  :ohmy:

 

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  • "Others “see” the little boy that the killer once was and seek to nurture him."
  • "A few hoped to share in the media spotlight or get a book or movie deal."
  • "Then there’s the notion of the “perfect boyfriend.” She knows where he is at all times and she knows he’s thinking about her. While she can claim that someone loves her, she does not have to endure the day-to-day issues involved in most relationships. There’s no laundry to do, no cooking for him, and no accountability to him. She can keep the fantasy charged up for a long time."

Others offered reasons along the lines of:

  • "Some mental health experts have compared infatuation with killers to extreme forms of fanaticism. They view such women as insecure females who cannot find love in normal ways or as “love-avoidant” females who seek romantic relationships that cannot be consummated.

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Posted 15 November 2015 - 07:52 AM

 

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(None of that The Last logic please, kishi didn't write that movie with his own hands. :\)
 
 
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Hashirama's MISTAKE^ , which Naruto resolved to never repeat.
 
Instead of getting revenge (causing more fighting,) he forgives and brings all sympathetic villians to the good side. (Itachi, Obito, Madara, Nagato/Konan, Neji, etc)
 
But suddenly when his greeeat grandma shows up:

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He seals this one permanently without trying to force her side of the story out of her and then convert her. This last one.
 
he did convert Sasuke but, he outright got rid of Kaguya without redeeming her. Just like Hashirama simply gave up on converting Madara and simply "killed" him. 
 
This could potentially be the start of Naruto's CHANGE into a "the end justifies the means" type of person, and that's how we gradually ended up with a semi-heartless Hokage who'd rather endure, forcing himself to take things SERIOUSLY and do paperwork all day instead of goofing off and playing around with his son+daughter+wife and doesn't give a kitten about how Sakura and her family is faring because he needs to endure his Hokage duties. (Like a parallel to Hashirama's mistake when he "killed" Madara.) 
 
 
If that were the case, it makes perfect sense why NaruSaku didn't happen and... Sakura would rather choose Sasuke over a guy like that, she rooted so long 600 chapters for and then he just GAVE UP. She would not want to be together with that Naruto. And I guess it's a wise decision, given this isn't the same Naruto?
 
What do you think?
 
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"NS not happening" isn't the reason Naruto changed, I think this is the reason^
 
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I also wonder, WHY, would he do this to Kaguya?
He didn't even try to talk to her to hear her motivations from her own mouth! 
 
So was it because Kaguya was too difficult an opponent and too incomprehensible that he just gave up because he didn't want to risk the lives of his friends over someone THIS unfathomable? Like Hashi didnt want to risk Konoha. 
 
Or it could have something to do with Neji's death. Hinata told Naruto to not go back on his words (a.k.a. endure it) and that Neji's memory lives in their hearts.
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Obito (and inadvertibly Hinata) also rubbed it in Naruto's face that he could do NOTHING when Neji died in front of his eyes. (This is the difference between how Jiraiya died)
Thus saying that Naruto is useless and there are some things he can't stop even if he is physically there:  therefore, Naruto must endure it and move on. He must do it FOR his comrades because his own life isn't his.  (like Hashirama must do it FOR the village)
 
 
I can imagine either Sakura or Sasuke saying "You changed, Naruto" or just thinking it inside either their mind or subconscious. And this mutual feeling in regards to Naruto made SS possible, plus they were together for the Kaguya battle so they knew what happened.
 
"You changed, Hashirama," -Madara | = | "You changed, Naruto," -Sakura (+Sasuke?)

 

"i hate people who lie to themselves" oh naruto WHY did you have to say that ONE LINE!? i sometimes wonder if THAT is what turned sakura away. he had the chance of a lifetime to confess back to her! the promise was brought back up, etc it was the perfect moment, and he crapped all over that opportunity! maybe she DID fall in love with him but after that i wonder if she started to wonder if he actually really loved, or cared about her at all? waw looking at it from sakura's point of view's really...dark...and sad. she got over the one who ALWAYS broke hear heart...

 

then the one she thought would NEVER break her heart broke her heart!.i wonder also if it went in reverse naruto let her go just as she started to fall for him...then in the end she had no choice but to let him go now they let each other go without ever knowing "what could have been" cause they gave up on true love TOO SOON and it was too late when they both realized they LOVED each other the whole time.   there you have a tragic NS love story!


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Posted 15 November 2015 - 09:56 AM

"i hate people who lie to themselves" oh naruto WHY did you have to say that ONE LINE!? i sometimes wonder if THAT is what turned sakura away. he had the chance of a lifetime to confess back to her! the promise was brought back up, etc it was the perfect moment, and he crapped all over that opportunity! maybe she DID fall in love with him but after that i wonder if she started to wonder if he actually really loved, or cared about her at all? waw looking at it from sakura's point of view's really...dark...and sad. she got over the one who ALWAYS broke hear heart...

 

then the one she thought would NEVER break her heart broke her heart!.i wonder also if it went in reverse naruto let her go just as she started to fall for him...then in the end she had no choice but to let him go now they let each other go without ever knowing "what could have been" cause they gave up on true love TOO SOON and it was too late when they both realized they LOVED each other the whole time.   there you have a tragic NS love story!

Well since the chapter where sakura confess to naruto happen long ago and im not here at that time, i like to[Hope] to see everyones opinion on why sakura confession is so controversial at that time.

Then again who wants to talk about old times when the manga is over year ago :umm: .Is there any link to that chapter discussion thread?


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An out of control man needs a strong woman to control him.
And even a violent woman will become soft and tender to the man she love.





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