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#7941 Chucky-kun

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:26 AM

QUOTE (zatheko @ Jan 4 2013, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What I don't understand is why we need to argue, so what if luffy believes in a different outcome, if you beleive in what you think should happen, then just believe that, remember NO ONE in these forums knows what the outcome of this manga is going to be, show as many facts as you want but no one knows for sure, so seriously the arguing is getting kind of annoying, im gonna believe what I want to believe and no one is going to change that. I believe NS will happen and I believe that sakura is still the main heroine.

Well, when two or more people have different opinions, they have a debate. But a debate is meant to be formal and you should respect each other. Respect hasn't been shown though.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:28 AM

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Jan 3 2013, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, when two or more people have different opinions, they have a debate. But a debate is meant to be formal and you should respect each other. Respect hasn't been shown though.


Yeah i understand when it's a debate, but what luffy is doing goes beyond that, thats why I think its best to just ignore what he is saying.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:32 AM

QUOTE (zatheko @ Jan 4 2013, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah i understand when it's a debate, but what luffy is doing goes beyond that, thats why I think its best to just ignore what he is saying.

Well he's been warned so hopefully we can enjoy some more peaceful days ahead.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:37 AM

QUOTE (Sakura Blossoms @ Jan 4 2013, 04:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@ luffyq1 - You have been Officially Warned in the past for trolling, pairing baiting, instigating, and insulting members. You're doing it again. This latest chapter is forcing us Mods to make public examples when warnings are usually a private matter. You are receiving another Official Warning for what comes down to trolling/instigating/insulting. You've also racked up a number of Reports against yourself. One more Warning and you will receive a Forum Temp Ban.


How about you investigate the report instead of blindlessly taking it. Did the thought ever cross your mind that they are reporting me simply because I don't agree with them? Seriously, present a recent post of mine that has an insult in it instead of just taking your fellow NS fans word for it.

Edited by luffyq1, 04 January 2013 - 04:39 AM.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:39 AM

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Jan 4 2013, 03:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well he's been warned so hopefully we can enjoy some more peaceful days ahead.

Lol nope.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:47 AM

QUOTE (zatheko @ Jan 4 2013, 12:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah i understand when it's a debate, but what luffy is doing goes beyond that, thats why I think its best to just ignore what he is saying.


Well I believe that when a member blindly believes that NS will happen but at the same time they try to ignore fact that are currently against the pairing or saying things that are not truth, we NaruSaku fans are here to point out those fact while trying to get to the same conclusion without ignoring events. We can have conversation about sorting event got or bad were the pairing when we are in a nice positions or what could happen to overcome the adversity, after all we are all NS fans and we can only speculate events.

But when someone comes and start insulting a fandom, mocking them or harassing then just because you believe that the pairing they support is dead is not cool, if we were OK with that we would of spend more time reading and concentrating in what the ANS fans have to say about our pairing.

A pairing fandom is where everyone who loves a pairing gather and try to created opinions, remember great moments positive or how to handle the negative stuff that in the end will help the harmony of the FC.

This is how it was when I just joined here, I immediately fell in love with this place since I didn't need to read anymore negative opinions about Naruto, Sakura or NS.



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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:51 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Jan 3 2013, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well I believe that when a member blindly believes that NS will happen but at the same time they try to ignore fact that are currently against the pairing or saying things that are not truth, we NaruSaku fans are here to point out those fact while trying to get to the same conclusion without ignoring events. We can have conversation about sorting event got or bad were the pairing when we are in a nice positions or what could happen to overcome the adversity, after all we are all NS fans and we can only speculate events.

But when someone comes and start insulting a fandom, mocking them or harassing then just because you believe that the pairing they support is dead is not cool, if we were OK with that we would of spend more time reading and concentrating in what the ANS fans have to say about our pairing.

A pairing fandom is where everyone who loves a pairing gather and try to created opinions, remember great moments positive or how to handle the negative stuff that in the end will help the harmony of the FC.

This is how it was when I just joined here, I immediately fell in love with this place since I didn't need to read anymore negative opinions about Naruto, Sakura or NS.


Yeah, I just hate pure negativity, especially when that negativity is being shoved down your throat, and this is how I feel luffy debates, It's like he cant stand that other believe differently and we MUST be negative like him, I'm sorry but i choose to remain positive about the pairing I like and if that ends up screwing me over in the end oh well thats my problem and I will deal with it when it comes.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:54 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 4 2013, 12:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How about you investigate the report instead of blindlessly taking it. Did the thought ever cross your mind that they are reporting me simply because I don't agree with them? Seriously, present a recent post of mine that has an insult in it instead of just taking your fellow NS fans word for it.


If you don't like the fandom, don't like their opinions, don't believe in their pairing, and insulting them at the same time, why are you here? There are place for ANS fans where all of the member will love you negative thought about this pairing, here we don't care about those, that is called trolling and in NF you would of being banned a long time ago for insulting the FC.

You don't want to debate you what people to see things the same way you do and drop their pairing, while mocking them.
I choose to be positive about NS and nothing you say will ever change that.

Edited by Don-kun, 04 January 2013 - 04:57 AM.


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:56 AM

Alright everyone, let us move on. Thread closure until people calm down is still a very real option for us to take. We Mods and Admins would prefer if it didn't come to that...again.

Move on.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:05 AM

QUOTE (Sakura Blossoms @ Jan 4 2013, 12:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Alright everyone, let us move on. Thread closure until people calm down is still a very real option for us to take. We Mods and Admins would prefer if it didn't come to that...again.

Move on.


Sorry it will not happen again in my end, from now on I will do the obvious thing, again sorry. sweatdrop.gif

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:23 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Jan 4 2013, 04:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you don't like the fandom, don't like their opinions, don't believe in their pairing, and insulting them at the same time, why are you here?


I wasn't doing any of what you've just said. You are really looking at things in an extreme level. Never said I didn't like this fandom. I said a while back that this fandom isn't better than the opposing one's simply because the rules have clearly been bent when it regards to NH.


QUOTE (Don-kun @ Jan 4 2013, 04:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are place for ANS fans where all of the member will love you negative thought about this pairing, here we don't care about those, that is called trolling and in NF you would of being banned a long time ago for insulting the FC.


So negative thoughts are:

1.Sakura loves Sasuke.
2.Naruto is currently not hurt anymore by the idea of Sakura being in love with Sasuke.
3.Hinata is being more a heroine than Sakura right now.
4.NH is shining right now.

I could go on, but you get what I'm saying.

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Jan 4 2013, 04:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You don't want to debate you what people to see things the same way you do and drop their pairing, while mocking them.
I choose to be positive about NS and nothing you say will ever change that.


Apparently, you see "debating" as everyone agreeing with everything. It's not so much of the fact that I'm not being the positive optimistic user you want me to be, but more of the fact that I'm merely disagreeing with you. I bet you're the user that reported me too. Doesn't bother me one bit.

Edited by luffyq1, 04 January 2013 - 05:29 AM.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:27 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 4 2013, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wasn't doing any of what you've just said. You are really looking at things in an extreme level. Never said I didn't like this fandom. I said a while back that this fandom isn't better than the opposing one's simply because the rules have clearly been bent when it regards to NH.




So negative thoughts are:

1.Sakura loves Sasuke.
2.Naruto is currently not hurt anymore by the idea of Sakura being in love with Sasuke.
3.Hinata is being more a heroine than Sakura right now.
4.NH is shining right now.

I could go on, but you get what I'm saying.



Apparently, you see "debating" as everyone agreeing with everything. It's not so much of the fact that I'm not being the positive optimistic user you want me to be, but more of the fact that I'm merely disagreeing with. I bet you're the user that reported me too. Doesn't bother me one bit.

Farout... Move on.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:27 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 3 2013, 11:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Apparently, you see "debating" as everyone agreeing with everything. It's not so much of the fact that I'm not being the positive optimistic user you want me to be, but more of the fact that I'm merely disagreeing with. I bet you're the user that reported me to. Doesn't bother me one bit.

Aha! That accusation was offensive, and you're a terrible person. Reported for being a bad, baaaaaad noodle.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:35 AM

QUOTE (zacrathedemon5 @ Jan 4 2013, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Aha! That accusation was offensive, and you're a terrible person. Reported for being a bad, baaaaaad noodle.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:37 AM

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Jan 3 2013, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:40 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 4 2013, 02:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's a nice and all, but you forget the fact that his love for Sakura is not a detriment to his character. Whether he ends up with her will not effect the plot of the manga. And calm down, will ya? You make it seem like every development that involves Naruto & Sakura = NS. That is the same thinking that the NH fandom does, like chapter 615 for example. I would agree that IF a pairing where to happen in part 1 of the series, then yeah, that would definitely damage Naruto. But as of right now, based on the current evidence of the manga, Naruto does not care that Sakura is in love Sasuke.



you didn't understand my post, because I never said that, I said they has been developed for years and not that every time they appear together it's something romantic with sparkles and whatever,even though every time they interact it count points for their relationship, they can have friendly talks, funny moments and etc without it necessarily being in a romantic way and that's probably why I ship them.

What I understood from your post is like you were saying that while Naruto still has feelings for Sakura, he just gave up of her and that he wouldn't suffer if she end up with Sasuke? isn't it?

because if it is I disagree. Even though Naruto has accepted that she loves another, he clearly didn't give up of her, He was shown several times in the part 2 calling her to dates and was shown to by Sai's flashbacks that he has the desire to confess his feelings for her. It's not like Naruto would bring Sasuke back and throw Sakura in his arms and leave with a big smile on his face. He has feelings for her then of course he will be affected by this, that's why we say that he has a selfless love, because for him doesn't matter that he will suffer for the fact that his love will not be reciprocated, what matters to him is her happiness.

while I really enjoy your posts because sometimes you bring good points and makes us question our own arguments which consequently make them more stronger, seems you are not happy with the way that Kishi is taking the story and you clearly said that you no longer cares about NaruSaku, then why are you still reading this? please don't understand it as I was trying to be rude to you, that is not my intention, I'm just saying that you should spend your time with things that you actually like or try other mangas. I recommend to you Fairy Tail , there's no shipping wars there, at least I never saw one. wink.gif

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:52 AM

Lets move on this is no place to be fighting, I stated this before when I came her I love this place because there was no argument, the point of the forum is not about agreeing with everyone, the point of a pairing forum is to talk about our view point on the paring we like.

I'm an active debater in NF, but when am here I don't like seeing that, debating against NS possibility is something I only expect to happen against a non pairing, SS or NH fan, not a NS fan.

I call this place the NS home where I can say anything I want about the pairing I like with out someone throwing all my speculations back in my face.

Before there were so many post saying funny speculation will dreams with a funny touch by the user saying, after all a girl/boy can dream. tongue.gif

No one was trying to be mean with each other and that made this place a nice place to be around, but after a while the place become so hostile just like NF that many member does not want to post here anymore or come around anymore.

I'm not asking anyone to do something they don't wish to do, if we believe in NS and we love posting here then we can try to be positive around the members that loves the positive ambient, people loves reading post that remind them why they love NS and why they should not lose hope .

Edited by Don-kun, 04 January 2013 - 06:01 AM.


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:50 AM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Jan 4 2013, 12:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you didn't understand my post, because I never said that, I said they has been developed for years and not that every time they appear together it's something romantic with sparkles and whatever,even though every time they interact it count points for their relationship, they can have friendly talks, funny moments and etc without it necessarily being in a romantic way and that's probably why I ship them.

What I understood from your post is like you were saying that while Naruto still has feelings for Sakura, he just gave up of her and that he wouldn't suffer if she end up with Sasuke? isn't it?

because if it is I disagree. Even though Naruto has accepted that she loves another, he clearly didn't give up of her, He was shown several times in the part 2 calling her to dates and was shown to by Sai's flashbacks that he has the desire to confess his feelings for her. It's not like Naruto would bring Sasuke back and throw Sakura in his arms and leave with a big smile on his face. He has feelings for her then of course he will be affected by this, that's why we say that he has a selfless love, because for him doesn't matter that he will suffer for the fact that his love will not be reciprocated, what matters to him is her happiness.

while I really enjoy your posts because sometimes you bring good points and makes us question our own arguments which consequently make them more stronger, seems you are not happy with the way that Kishi is taking the story and you clearly said that you no longer cares about NaruSaku, then why are you still reading this? please don't understand it as I was trying to be rude to you, that is not my intention, I'm just saying that you should spend your time with things that you actually like or try other mangas. I recommend to you Fairy Tail , there's no shipping wars there, at least I never saw one. wink.gif

sorry for my english,

Nicely said. It's fine. Your English is really good.

Fairy Tail is really straight forward, not that I have problem with. I thought there will be one with Lisanna and Lucy, but that ended in a way back in the last arc, so yeah, obvious outcome is obvious.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:02 AM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Jan 4 2013, 05:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you didn't understand my post, because I never said that, I said they has been developed for years and not that every time they appear together it's something romantic with sparkles and whatever,even though every time they interact it count points for their relationship, they can have friendly talks, funny moments and etc without it necessarily being in a romantic way and that's probably why I ship them.


Well sorry, but that was the obvious impression you've clearly left on me by giving me the NS history lesson.

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Jan 4 2013, 05:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What I understood from your post is like you were saying that while Naruto still has feelings for Sakura, he just gave up of her and that he wouldn't suffer if she end up with Sasuke? isn't it?


Well his pursuit for her has certainly died down. But I would not jump to the conclusion that he is not in love with her anymore. That is simply wishful thinking for the NH fandom. And yes, I truly don't think that he would go all emo on us if Sakura ended up with Sasuke.

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Jan 4 2013, 05:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
because if it is I disagree. Even though Naruto has accepted that she loves another, he clearly didn't give up of her, He was shown several times in the part 2 calling her to dates


Yes, it happened. But you're clearly mixing up date request with Naruto turning emo if Sakura ended up with Sasuke. The atmosphere of those date request are clearly meant to be taking as a joke. Please don't tell me you took those scenes seriously?

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Jan 4 2013, 05:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
and was shown to by Sai's flashbacks that he has the desire to confess his feelings for her.


I seriously hope that no one on this site honestly believe that just because Naruto is going to confess to her, automatically means she's going to start loving him. If that was the case, then Naruto would already be in love with Hinata.


QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Jan 4 2013, 05:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not like Naruto would bring Sasuke back and throw Sakura in his arms and leave with a big smile on his face. He has feelings for her then of course he will be affected by this, that's why we say that he has a selfless love, because for him doesn't matter that he will suffer for the fact that his love will not be reciprocated, what matters to him is her happiness.


We've already been through the process of Naruto being in pain over the fact that Sakura loves Sasuke. Then years later we see Naruto not in pain at all over the fact that Sakura is in love with Sasuke. He's coped with that idea. It no longer bothers him.

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Jan 4 2013, 05:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
while I really enjoy your posts because sometimes you bring good points and makes us question our own arguments which consequently make them more stronger, seems you are not happy with the way that Kishi is taking the story and you clearly said that you no longer cares about NaruSaku, then why are you still reading this? please don't understand it as I was trying to be rude to you, that is not my intention, I'm just saying that you should spend your time with things that you actually like or try other mangas. I recommend to you Fairy Tail , there's no shipping wars there, at least I never saw one. wink.gif


sorry for my english,


I admit that some of my arguments are definitely wrong. And don't worry, your English is perfect enough for me and many others to understand.

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#7960 Zatheko

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:14 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 3 2013, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I seriously hope that no one on this site honestly believe that just because Naruto is going to confess to her, automatically means she's going to start loving him. If that was the case, then Naruto would already be in love with Hinata.


It's not that sakura has to accept his feelings it's more of naruto owes her his confession BEFORE he moves on to say hinata for example, I think in order for NH to become canon naruto should address his feelings for sakura first. Not that i want NH to become canon, but if anything this helps me believe that this scene doesnt mean NH canon since naruto hasn't addressed his feelings for sakura yet.

Edited by zatheko, 04 January 2013 - 07:17 AM.





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