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#7921 Psychox

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 07:26 PM

You're saying something that doesnt even is related to his love at all, nothing happened to his love after he died, he still loves her on the same way, you're talking about other stuff like his objective, his love wasnt the reason why he became "evil" but the fact he lose everything and how he lost faith on the world.

 

 

 

He's not wanting to change the world because of her, he doesnt want her for himself this is being selfish.

He's selfish not because of his love for her which he clings because those are his fondest memories, the same way Sasuke clings to Itachi, and Naruto/Sakura clings to team 7 do they are selfish because of that?

 

That was to shown how Kakashi knew about it, althought we have no clues about it but we have Naruto thinking of winning to chuunin exam with Sakura being one of his motivation, and his thinking about "maybe when i came back she will love him" and how he wanted to act cool in front of her and stuff.

Those examples are fail to appoint that his love is n obssession, because Naruto did similar things on the manga, like shapshifiting into Sasuke and almost kissed Sakura.

 

Obito's is selfish because he's close minded and is entitled to his opinion, and the difference between Naruto and Obito is that Naruto managed to have more bonds, and Obito lose everything because of what Kakashi pointed out, he lose everything because he hasnt managed to make other bonds or find a substitute for Rin and Kakashi, he lose his team, and instead of finding another one, he used his loss as a motivation(to not want those things to happen again) to change the world, ofc he's doing on a selfish way but it doesnt make his love selfish.

It did happen , he awoke the Mangekyo which practically makes you fall in eternal darkness thanks to the special sprouts which are released from the brain  or w/e they are called .The fact that she died triggered that pattern and made him go unstable . He had no one except Madara to ''help'' him .

His goal is selfish , he'd rather trap the whole world in a make believe universe, punish innocent people in the process   , maybe he will create  a fake Rin  to be beside him? Rather accepting  the fact that ''you can't save them all'' and live in reality . Its true that he wants to convert the world , but in the process rob the people of their free will and that's what makes it unacceptable . Yes, he had no bonds but he did have a family and Kakashi , he didn't try hard unlike Naruto.
 

 

 

 

Kind of both. If he only wanted to have Rin he could have brought her back to life with the Rinnengan or maybe used the Genjutsu upon himself only. He believes he is some kind of messiah trying to free the world from the curse of hatred.

Itachi warned Naruto that he isn't the only one that can change the world that's why he reminded him of his friends and not to become Madara/Obito 2.0.





 


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Posted 10 September 2013 - 07:27 PM

It'd be cool if it sort of reversed. Sakura doesn't get severely injured but Narutp does and we get a hugeeee reaction from Sakura. I don't know. I'd love this so much more than Naruto reacting. I want to see Sakura flip out over Naruto and Obito/Naruto react to her doing so.

I think we'll get a moment that is close to this one at some point in the manga. It's natural to see Sakura getting raged if Naruto got injured severely from an attack or a knock out.



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Posted 10 September 2013 - 07:38 PM

Do you think Obito wants to the genjutsu world to save millions of strangers, or to be with Rin again?  Which sounds more like his priority?

I feel like at this point, he just want Rin. He'll probably be lazy and just toss in a boring lifestyle for everyone. He don't care, not after everyone denied him. Not like everyone will like it as well, so why should he care.

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 07:52 PM

I believe his love for Rin is not selfish , but what he is doing is very selfish, making a war and stuff , Rin wouldn't want him to do something like this . 


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Posted 10 September 2013 - 07:58 PM

Do you think Obito wants to the genjutsu world to save millions of strangers, or to be with Rin again?  Which sounds more like his priority?

He has the rinnengan and he could easily make Nagato do bring back Rin, like he was doing with Madara, or bring her back with his own powers, there are ways to do this.


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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:00 PM

I believe his love for Rin is not selfish , but what he is doing is very selfish, making a war and stuff , Rin wouldn't want him to do something like this . 

Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:01 PM

Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:03 PM

Then i guess the answer to our question is plot relevance .


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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:04 PM

I think we'll get a moment that is close to this one at some point in the manga. It's natural to see Sakura getting raged if Naruto got injured severely from an attack or a knock out.


Yeah but I can't recall there being a moment that's extremely powerful. Powerful enough to move the enemy. That's the kind of reaction I'd love to see for sure. It'd likely tap into her feelings and it wouldn't be a moment that's private. The alliance would see it. They'd feel it. Naruto would as well as Obito would I would guess because he'd see that she's in love with him.

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:09 PM

and as for Naruto , if Sakura dies I know Naruto wouldn't go as far as creating a war but he would never be the same Naruto we all know unless he believe Sakura wants him to live happy whether it be with her or without her but I believe Naruto would never be the same and he won't be truly happy . 


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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:12 PM

Itachi warned Naruto that he isn't the only one that can change the world that's why he reminded him of his friends and not to become Madara/Obito 2.0.

 

Pretty much! Obito didn't have anyone to hang on to nor any reason to believe things could get better, and he's even got brainwashed by Madara. But in the end I agree with Superman, he's being a dic* right now.


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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:12 PM

Yeah but I can't recall there being a moment that's extremely powerful. Powerful enough to move the enemy. That's the kind of reaction I'd love to see for sure. It'd likely tap into her feelings and it wouldn't be a moment that's private. The alliance would see it. They'd feel it. Naruto would as well as Obito would I would guess because he'd see that she's in love with him.

Yeah, there hasn't been one. There has been ones, but not that powerful. So, I think we'll get one that is unforgettable from Sakura that will be a remarked one like the NS hug.



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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:15 PM

It'd be cool if it sort of reversed. Sakura doesn't get severely injured but Narutp does and we get a hugeeee reaction from Sakura. I don't know. I'd love this so much more than Naruto reacting. I want to see Sakura flip out over Naruto and Obito/Naruto react to her doing so.

 

I second this, but there won't be many chances as Sakura's role is mostly in the back healing.  Since many in the alliance have died or are injured, she has her work cut out for her.  I would love to see that happen though, but if it does, it won't be anytime soon.



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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:20 PM

I second this, but there won't be many chances as Sakura's role is mostly in the back healing.  Since many in the alliance have died or are injured, she has her work cut out for her.  I would love to see that happen though, but if it does, it won't be anytime soon.

 

I think we had a lot of Naruto > Sakura moments already, it's very clear where Naruto stands. Now I wanna see some Sakura > Naruto development, something that would make her question her feelings for him. :P


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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:21 PM

 

I think we had a lot of Naruto > Sakura moments already, it's very clear where Naruto stands. Now I wanna see some Sakura > Naruto development, something that would make her question her feelings for him. :P

likewise .  its about time we start to see some Sakura>Naruto . 


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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:22 PM

 

I think we had a lot of Naruto > Sakura moments already, it's very clear where Naruto stands. Now I wanna see some Sakura > Naruto development, something that would make her question her feelings for him. :P

E se ela vir do nada e dizer Naruto " i love you".

 

If Sakura comes in and says "i love you Naruto" suddenly what would happen?


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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:24 PM

E se ela vir do nada e dizer Naruto " i love you".

 

If Sakura comes in and says "i love you Naruto" suddenly what would happen?

it would be about damn time she realized it . when you say suddenly what do you mean though .?


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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:28 PM

it would be about damn time she realized it . when you say suddenly what do you mean though .?

Like Naruto is injured and she says she loves him, suddenly because no one is expecting that.

Second would be cool since sh*tstorm would happen everywhere.

Third complaints everywhere.

Fourth real people would commit suicide.


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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:29 PM

E se ela vir do nada e dizer Naruto " i love you".

 

If Sakura comes in and says "i love you Naruto" suddenly what would happen?

Well, one we will rejoice. Second , NH and SS fall in complete despair :D or denial same thing ,really .
 

 

 

I think we had a lot of Naruto > Sakura moments already, it's very clear where Naruto stands. Now I wanna see some Sakura > Naruto development, something that would make her question her feelings for him. :P

I'd like Sakura to show a lot of feels for Naruto , something powerful  in the context of going after him to bring him back from the 9 circle of hell , meh , i know it won't happen , buuut i can dream can i :P?


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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:34 PM

It'd be cool if it sort of reversed. Sakura doesn't get severely injured but Narutp does and we get a hugeeee reaction from Sakura. I don't know. I'd love this so much more than Naruto reacting. I want to see Sakura flip out over Naruto and Obito/Naruto react to her doing so.

I would like either scenario, honestly, since I love seeing proof of either Naruto or Sakura's feelings for each other.  However, I feel that it would further plot purposes for Naruto to do so, because this would enable him to properly TnJ Obito by feeling what he felt and being the stronger person and not giving in to despair over it like Obito did.

 

As much as I like the idea, I don't see what Sakura's reaction would bring to the plot outside of furthering the romance subplot in and of itself (though perhaps that would be enough for it to occur).  That being said, I do think that there is good chance for something like the 2011 OVA to occur, but it just may not be during this arc, but after the fight with Sasuke.

 

That aside, a part of me also wants to see Naruto cry over Sakura (as horrible as that sounds) - we've seen Sakura cry over Naruto, running into danger to try and snap him back to his senses during the KN4 moment, but we haven't really seen such clear strong romantic emotions from Naruto to Sakura all that much in part two -  he's been keeping his feelings on the back burner due to the POAL and the fact that he has so much other stuff on his plate.  This is part of the reason why other fans don't take Naruto's feelings seriously, I feel.


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