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#7921 luffyq1

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 02:40 AM

QUOTE (neoshadow @ Jan 4 2013, 02:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just because it didn't have an effect on Sasuke does not mean it didn't have an effect on Naruto and Sakura, Sasuke is not the only main character, just because Itachi, Kakashi and all of the Rookies including Sakura have decided to leave Sasuke to Naruto because he is the only one who can get through to him does not mean they will all sit around back in Konoha drinking tea and awaiting news of how the fight went. Just because Naruto will fight Sasuke alone doesn't exclude everyone else from having a role during that fight even if they are just spectators or are doing their own thing.

No one is talking about Sakura fighting Sasuke, as you have quite so forcibly said its all on Naruto but if a future where Team 7 laughing together is going to happen then that includes Sakura having a role too.


I'm using manga evidence to support my claims, just what exactly are you using, neoshadow? And no, they will not sit back and drink tea while Naruto handles Sasuke. At the very least they'll have different roles during the war, but not regarding Sasuke's case, as the manga has so blatantly pointed towards.

I'm saying that Sakura won't be involved in the redemption of Sasuke, I'm in no way saying she will fight Sasuke. Why the hell would I say that when she already tried to do that and failed miserably at it? Seriously, read my post more carefully.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 02:40 AM

someone pointed out that on tumblr, so I bring it here

but I think we all already know that

the difference about NH/NS development is extremely big:

NaruHina Development -> 1
NaruSaku Development -> 1/2

but the point is ... would Kishi develop a pairing during the entire manga to in the end make another pairing canon?

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#7923 luffyq1

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 02:50 AM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Jan 4 2013, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
someone pointed out that on tumblr, so I bring it here

but I think we all already know that

the difference about NH/NS development is extremely big:

NaruHina Development -> 1
NaruSaku Development -> 1/2

but the point is ... would Kishi develop a pairing during the entire manga to in the end make another pairing canon?


Kishi has done more illogical things. People should stop crying over the idea that Kishi will make NH canon when they have little development compared to NS. I'm sure he is not thinking about that. There are much more important things in this manga than who has the most development. Sorry but it's the truth.

Edited by luffyq1, 04 January 2013 - 02:51 AM.

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#7924 Chucky-kun

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:04 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 4 2013, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kishi has done more illogical things. People should stop crying over the idea that Kishi will make NH canon when they have little development compared to NS. I'm sure he is not thinking about that. There are much more important things in this manga than who has the most development. Sorry but it's the truth.

What illogical things, just curious, and I don't mean gaara because he went through rehabilitation.

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#7925 Don-kun

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:07 AM

I will post this very big so everyone can read it.

luffyq1 is trolling the fandom to get on our nerve, I don't know but I have a strong feelings that he is having a lot of fun with what he is currently doing.

When someone is done with a pairing they just give up and you never hear about them again, at this point luffy is having a lot of fun trolling the fandom.

Never in my forum experience I have seen a user trying to go against a fandom while trying to ridicule any speculation or expectation that the fandom want to have.

Edited by Don-kun, 04 January 2013 - 03:13 AM.


#7926 luffyq1

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:09 AM

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Jan 4 2013, 03:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What illogical things, just curious, and I don't mean gaara because he went through rehabilitation.


Obito. Nuff said.


Edited by luffyq1, 04 January 2013 - 03:09 AM.

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#7927 Chucky-kun

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:10 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 4 2013, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Obito. Nuff said.

How was it illogical?

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#7928 Bryon_Konoha_Ninja

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:15 AM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Jan 3 2013, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
someone pointed out that on tumblr, so I bring it here

but I think we all already know that

the difference about NH/NS development is extremely big:

NaruHina Development -> 1
NaruSaku Development -> 1/2

but the point is ... would Kishi develop a pairing during the entire manga to in the end make another pairing canon?


Ask the writers of Digimon Adventure and Digimon Adventure 02 that. =/ They set up Tai and Sora with so much developement, but then friggin' have Sora end up with Matt, for no raison!

#7929 Chucky-kun

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:19 AM

QUOTE (Bryon_Konoha_Ninja @ Jan 4 2013, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ask the writers of Digimon Adventure and Digimon Adventure 02 that. =/ They set up Tai and Sora with so much developement, but then friggin' have Sora end up with Matt, for no raison!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't they like 12 years old. That's like the naruto manga ending in part 1 with LeeSaku being the canon pairing. There wasn't much to go on.

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#7930 luffyq1

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:23 AM

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Jan 4 2013, 03:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How was it illogical?


I really hate touching on this subject since it involves disgusting writing. Luckily I found an earlier post I made in regards to Obito.

"I understand where you're coming from, I truly do. But Obito's actions completely and utterly outweigh his petty reasoning's, and I say petty based in the world of Naruto. You realize that he disregarded his own parents existence all because of the murder of a girl, right? Tsunade has lost her precious little brother the day after his birthday and her beloved that she failed to save, and she was completely broken. But you don't see her creating terrorist organization groups, almost blowing up a baby, and so much more. Tsunade has lost so much more than Obito man. And I'm not simply going by the number of people she lost, but more of the quality of that lost. And yes, I do agree that Obito is an amazing villain, I just don't like that one particular thing about him. "

Well there you have it.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:28 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 4 2013, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really hate touching on this subject since it involves disgusting writing. Luckily I found an earlier post I made in regards to Obito.

"I understand where you're coming from, I truly do. But Obito's actions completely and utterly outweigh his petty reasoning's, and I say petty based in the world of Naruto. You realize that he disregarded his own parents existence all because of the murder of a girl, right? Tsunade has lost her precious little brother the day after his birthday and her beloved that she failed to save, and she was completely broken. But you don't see her creating terrorist organization groups, almost blowing up a baby, and so much more. Tsunade has lost so much more than Obito man. And I'm not simply going by the number of people she lost, but more of the quality of that lost. And yes, I do agree that Obito is an amazing villain, I just don't like that one particular thing about him. "

Well there you have it.

Do you know anything about obito's parents? Lol. What if obito believed they were the source of his ridicule "shouldn't the famed Uchiha be strong" what if they were already dead? What if Rin was his only source of happiness? There's not enough information on the matter for it to be called illogical.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:31 AM

I get it when someone is frustrated at sorting event or the direction of the Manga, main reason why I don't disagree with the one that are currently disappointed only try to ask them to have more faith, but positing in a pairing FC while calling is fans crazy, delusional, biased, fandom nonsense believers.

Honestly why is this going on, can a mod explain me if this behavior is OK since I seen members doing this type of stuff and they get banned.

If someone doesn't believe in a pairing why are they here in the first place?

What is going on here? Why NS.com is not the same place I joined back in 2011 where I was inspired by NS fans and the friendly atmosphere?

Edited by Don-kun, 04 January 2013 - 03:34 AM.


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:34 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Jan 4 2013, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I get it when someone is frustrated at sorting event or the direction of the Manga, main reason why I don't disagree with the one that are currently disappointed only try to ask them to have more faith, but positing in a pairing FC while calling is fans crazy, delusional, biased, fandom nonsense believers.

Honestly why is this going on, can a mod explain me if this behavior is OK since I seen members doing this type of stuff and they get banned.

If someone doesn't believe in a pairing why are they here in the first place?

What is going on here? Why NS.com is not the same place I joined back in 2011?

Go back 100 pages and you get a sense of dejavu

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:36 AM

OKAY. Everyone here calm down. Please. Else this thread will be closed as it was it was closed for the last two times. The Mods are WATCHING. ninja.gif

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:40 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 4 2013, 12:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kishi has done more illogical things. People should stop crying over the idea that Kishi will make NH canon when they have little development compared to NS. I'm sure he is not thinking about that. There are much more important things in this manga than who has the most development. Sorry but it's the truth.


I'm sorry but I disagree!! Of course it matters! If Naruto were a manga that had that typical main character who doesn't even know what means woman, that simply doesn't care about things like romance I would totally agree with you . but we're talking about a guy who's in love with a girl since chapter 3 and they have been developed during the entire manga, not an arc, not a chapter, I'm talking about years of development and let me remind you that this guy is nothing less than the protagonist of this series. Then why develop them during the entire manga if that doesn't matter, why spend so many panels and dedication to something that isn't important to the story?, why?

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:00 AM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Jan 4 2013, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm sorry but I disagree!! Of course it matters! If Naruto were a manga that had that typical main character who doesn't even know what means woman, that simply doesn't care about things like romance I would totally agree with you . but we're talking about a guy who's in love with a girl since chapter 3 and they have been developed during the entire manga, not an arc, not a chapter, I'm talking about years of development and let me remind you that this guy is nothing less than the protagonist of this series. Then why develop them during the entire manga if that doesn't matter, why spend so many panels and dedication to something that isn't important to the story?, why?

Luffy's answer to this is that kishi can be illogical, even if it comes to one of the major parts of this manga.


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#7937 luffyq1

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:04 AM

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Jan 4 2013, 03:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you know anything about obito's parents? Lol. What if obito believed they were the source of his ridicule "shouldn't the famed Uchiha be strong" what if they were already dead? What if Rin was his only source of happiness? There's not enough information on the matter for it to be called illogical.


I'm sitting here about to post a counter argument. But then I thought to myself... You're trying to justify Obito's actions. I think I'm done.

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Jan 4 2013, 03:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm sorry but I disagree!! Of course it matters! If Naruto were a manga that had that typical main character who doesn't even know what means woman, that simply doesn't care about things like romance I would totally agree with you . but we're talking about a guy who's in love with a girl since chapter 3 and they have been developed during the entire manga, not an arc, not a chapter, I'm talking about years of development and let me remind you that this guy is nothing less than the protagonist of this series. Then why develop them during the entire manga if that doesn't matter, why spend so many panels and dedication to something that isn't important to the story?, why?


That's a nice and all, but you forget the fact that his love for Sakura is not a detriment to his character. Whether he ends up with her will not effect the plot of the manga. And calm down, will ya? You make it seem like every development that involves Naruto & Sakura = NS. That is the same thinking that the NH fandom does, like chapter 615 for example. I would agree that IF a pairing where to happen in part 1 of the series, then yeah, that would definitely damage Naruto. But as of right now, based on the current evidence of the manga, Naruto does not care that Sakura is in love Sasuke.

Edited by luffyq1, 04 January 2013 - 04:07 AM.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:12 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 4 2013, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm sitting here about to post a counter argument. But then I thought to myself... You're trying to justify Obito's actions. I think I'm done.



That's a nice and all, but you forget the fact that his love for Sakura is not a detriment to his character. Whether he ends up with her will not effect the plot of the manga. And calm down, will ya? You make it seem like every development that involves Naruto & Sakura = NS. That is the same thinking that the NH fandom does, like chapter 615 for example. I would agree that IF a pairing where to happen in part 1 of the series, then yeah, that would definitely damage Naruto. But as of right now, based on the current evidence of the manga, Naruto does not care that Sakura is in love Sasuke.

Chapter 459

Obirin parallels not important to the plot line I see, even though its one the most probable TnJ's.

I'm sitting here trying to have a debate with you. But then I thought to myself... You're trying to ridicule Obito's reasoning. I think I'm done.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:19 AM

@ luffyq1 - You have been Officially Warned in the past for trolling, pairing baiting, instigating, and insulting members. You're doing it again. This latest chapter is forcing us Mods to make public examples when warnings are usually a private matter. You are receiving another Official Warning for what comes down to trolling/instigating/insulting. You've also racked up a number of Reports against yourself. One more Warning and you will receive a Forum Temp Ban.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:24 AM

What I don't understand is why we need to argue, so what if luffy believes in a different outcome, if you beleive in what you think should happen, then just believe that, remember NO ONE in these forums knows what the outcome of this manga is going to be, show as many facts as you want but no one knows for sure, so seriously the arguing is getting kind of annoying, im gonna believe what I want to believe and no one is going to change that. I believe NS will happen and I believe that sakura is still the main heroine.




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