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[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Really? I've got to know...because at this point I don't really understand, but why do you hope for this parallel so much? What do you think it will accomplish?

TnJ. Enough said.

[Qia]

TnJ. Enough said.

TnJ? xD.

[Paptala]

^Talk no Justu.  Naruto has always been able to connect with and convince his past enemies by relating with their pain on some level.  Since Rin is such a big part of Obito's motivations, learning the similarities between his love for Sakura and Obito's love for Rin could enable him to make that necessary connection with Obito.

[Qia]

Most likely Sakura will have to die at this point for that to happen though...I don't like that.    Her being used for the sake of defeating a villain, pushing the plot along, and showing a parallel, I mean. Unless, of course, there's a legit reason why she would be targeted and killed so easily even after her powerup.

Edited by Qia, 10 September 2013 - 02:10 PM.

[Paptala]

^She doesn't have to actually die - it would be enough for Naruto to think that she's dead.  Or who knows, maybe Naruto can simply say that having a similar love, he can imagine the pain Obito must have felt upon failing to protect her, seeing her die at the hands of their third teammate whom Rin loved (after all, he did nearly loose Sakura to Sasuke at the summit).

 

Either way, I highly doubt that Sakura is actually going to die in this manga.  If she does, I would bet anything that she would be revived.  She's a main character and part of the new generation.

Edited by Paptala, 10 September 2013 - 02:28 PM.

[arian_rad]

^She doesn't have to actually die - it would be enough for Naruto to think that she's dead.  Or who knows, maybe Naruto can simply say that having a similar love, he can imagine the pain Obito must have felt upon failing to protect her, seeing her die at the hands of their third teammate whom Rin loved (after all, he did nearly loose Sakura to Sasuke at the summit).
 
Either way, I highly doubt that Sakura is actually going to die in this manga.  If she does, I would bet anything that she would be revived.  She's a main character and part of the new generation.

I honestly would love if everyone thought Sakura was dead but then she released the seal to get instant healing and get back in the battle. Meanwhile, naruto would think she is in fact dead when talking to obito, If it ever gets to that point.

[Darkness]

Ainda assim nao torna o amor que ele tem pela Rin, egoísta.

Ele é egoísta porque acredita que o caminho dele e o correto porque o Naruto não passou pelos mesmos problemas que ele.

Mas isso não tem nada a ver com o amor que ele tem pela Rin.

 

Ah beleza, aqui concordo contigo. As suas ações nesta guerra são egoístas ao extremo, e isso é bem evidente, mas o amor que ele sente pela Rin concerteza é sincero.

Obito is selfish, his love for Rin is selfish, if he wasn't then he would consider how Rin would feel about his actions, about the fact that he's trying to enslave the world's population, about the fact that he is so selfish in his grief that he's totally and completely disregarding the decisions Rin made as a kunoichi.

 

I wouldn't say Obito's love for Rin is selfish. She is everything he's ever cared about, the moment she died he lost everything and that's why he was so easily manipulated by Madara. Yes, he is trying to slave mankind inside a fantasy world, I agree he is very sick and needs help, but he truly believes he is actually saving mankind by doing so, he believes Rin will be back for him in this world and everyone will be happy in the end.

 

Furthermore, I know Rin will be the key to redeem Obito before he dies. Somehow she will be brought out, either as a Edo-Tensei or by some kind of memories, whatever the way may be he will be redeemed, probably just before his death, and the main reason will definitely be something related to Naruto's action and how he could have done things differently, taking into consideration what she would have wanted if she were still alive.

Edited by Darkness, 10 September 2013 - 06:39 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I honestly would love if everyone thought Sakura was dead but then she released the seal to get instant healing and get back in the battle. Meanwhile, naruto would think she is in fact dead when talking to obito, If it ever gets to that point.

If he ever thinks she's dead, Naruto will go all out on him. He could even pull a fast one that no one see it coming. Remember how he has very little chakra yet still managed to pull off impressive feat. It could happen again. Don't let Naruto think/know about Sakura's life.

[arian_rad]

If he ever thinks she's dead, Naruto will go all out on him. He could even pull a fast one that no one see it coming. Remember how he has very little chakra yet still managed to pull off impressive feat. It could happen again. Don't let Naruto think/know about Sakura's life.

Hopefully we see the infinite tsukuyomi stopped next chapter by possible hashirama. Naruto is definitely not in a condition to fight right now. I'm surprised that he is even standing up at this point. The whole thing about "flowers dancing on the battlefield" and now this flower is blooming might hint at a naruto and sakura against obito while sasuke with his back turned would backstab them both and do something unexpected. That would be the perfect opportunity for anything to happen to sakura and for naruto to either beat obito or tnj him.

[T XD]

Hopefully we see the infinite tsukuyomi stopped next chapter by possible hashirama. Naruto is definitely not in a condition to fight right now. I'm surprised that he is even standing up at this point. The whole thing about "flowers dancing on the battlefield" and now this flower is blooming might hint at a naruto and sakura against obito while sasuke with his back turned would backstab them both and do something unexpected. That would be the perfect opportunity for anything to happen to sakura and for naruto to either beat obito or tnj him.

Bolded: It might be that it was a hint from Kishi for the current events that something related to Sakura might happen. Or this one from the colored samurai spread " In times of uncertainty... There are those who always shine... Dance Heroes ". Now the current events have a big uncertainty, so this spread also was maybe a hint from Kishi or that the heroes will always have a role.

Edited by T XD, 10 September 2013 - 03:14 PM.

[Psychox]

Obito's love for Rin wasn't selfish till she was alive that much is true , it converted when she died in front of his eyes that threw him into a never ending despair,loneliness self pity that he couldn't confess his love for her /save her . Madara pretty much had a great influence and twistied his desires,dreams,wishes to do his bidding without realizing it. I think this way because there is his trump card the ''strongest spade'' will turn things around yet again.

Obito wanting the whole ninja world to suffer makes a little sense since there are innocent people who aren't involved in war or were responsible for Rin's death , though even MInato admitted that the ninja world needs a ''fix'' and that wrench won't be filled with selfish desires .
Truth be told Sasuke's love for Itachi is on the same pattern as Obito's both are driven by selfish needs .

Edited by Psychox, 10 September 2013 - 03:10 PM.

[Question22]

Obito near death:

 

Flashbacks of Rin*

 

Obito: Accomplish everything i didnt Naruto.....

[TouKen4Life3g]

Obito near death:
 
Flashbacks of Rin*
 
Obito: Accomplish everything i didnt Naruto.....

Well that's the plan we all think. It's the redemption he will get soon. No, not everyone will forgive him, but the point is he finds peace.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

She died, and he lost everything, the only reason that he found to keep on being alive is that he believed that a genjutsu world would "fix" the world.

The reason why Rin keeps coming when he's about to fail, it's because those are his fondest memories he had, the same thing Sakura was about to die against Sasori and she reminded about team 7.

 

@DattebayxShannaro.

His actions are selfish ofc because he's not taking into account the will of the others but his love for Rin is not selfish.

He respected Rin too, show me a panel where he forced her to love him, he sacrificed his life for her, and did not expected her to return his feelings, he died without confessing his love for her because he knew she loved another guy and didnt wanted to be a stone on her path, he was willing to fail on a mission to save her, meawhile Kakashi acting like a jerk towards her and he didnt forced his love on RIn, tell me how it's selfish?

Their interactions are pretty much similar to Naruto and Sakura, it's show both of them suporting each other;

The only thing Obi/Rin caused was to the audience feel sorry for him and hopes for Naruto to succeed on NS so he could surpass Obito.

 

Obito being selfish because he's entitled to his opinion has nothing to do with his love for Rin.

 

 

 

Ainda assim nao torna o amor que ele tem pela Rin, egoísta.
Ele é egoísta porque acredita que o caminho dele e o correto porque o Naruto não passou pelos mesmos problemas que ele.

Mas isso não tem nada a ver com o amor que ele tem pela Rin.

 

It has everything to do with his love for Rin.  When is there a moment he hasn't thought of her?  It's become an obsession.   As I said before, I'm not talking about his past self, but current self.  Those examples are irrelevant.  His love for Rin started out as selfless, but became selfish in the end after she died.  Before, he was the same as Naruto, though he put more effort into dating her, like those flowers.  Also, he was a bit more obsessed. I mean he spent time on his desk thinking of ways to kiss her, practicing with a photo of her.  He and Naruto are similar, but they are different in certain aspects.  Naruto grew up alone, and he could appreciate the bonds and friendships he's gained because of that loneliness.  That's why he never let himself feel privileged.  That helped with him being able to sacrifice his own happiness for others.  That's why I feel even if Sakura were to die, he would be in pain yes, but he won't let it change him, due to the others still alive that believe in him.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 10 September 2013 - 06:12 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Obito's love for Rin wasn't selfish till she was alive that much is true , it converted when she died in front of his eyes that threw him into a never ending despair,loneliness self pity that he couldn't confess his love for her /save her . Madara pretty much had a great influence and twistied his desires,dreams,wishes to do his bidding without realizing it. I think this way because there is his trump card the ''strongest spade'' will turn things around yet again.

Obito wanting the whole ninja world to suffer makes a little sense since there are innocent people who aren't involved in war or were responsible for Rin's death , though even MInato admitted that the ninja world needs a ''fix'' and that wrench won't be filled with selfish desires .
Truth be told Sasuke's love for Itachi is on the same pattern as Obito's both are driven by selfish needs .

You're saying something that doesnt even is related to his love at all, nothing happened to his love after he died, he still loves her on the same way, you're talking about other stuff like his objective, his love wasnt the reason why he became "evil" but the fact he lose everything and how he lost faith on the world.

 

Bolded : You're saying about point of view, he wants to put the world on a genjutsu world so no wars would happen, despite being forced and he's forcing his view on them, it's selfish but has nothing to do on how his love for Rin is selfish.

 

 

 

It has everything to do with his love for Rin.  When is there a moment he hasn't thought of her?  It's become an obsession.   As I said before, I'm not talking about his past self, but current self.  Those examples are irrelevant.  His love for Rin started out as selfless, but became selfish in the end after she died.  Before, he was the same as Naruto, though he put more effort into dating her, like those flowers.  Also, he was a bit more obsessed. I mean he spent time on his desk thinking of ways to kiss her, practicing with a photo of her.  He and Naruto are similar, but they are different in certain aspects.  Naruto grew up alone, and he could appreciate the bonds and friendships he's gained because of that loneliness.  That's why he never let himself feel privileged.  That helped with him being able to sacrifice his own happiness for others.  That's why I feel even if Sakura were to die, he would be in pain yes, but he won't let it change him, due to the others still alive that believe in him.

 

He's not wanting to change the world because of her, he doesnt want her for himself this is being selfish?

He's selfish not because of his love for her which he clings because those are his fondest memories, the same way Sasuke clings to Itachi, and Naruto/Sakura clings to team 7 do they are selfish because of that?

 

That was to shown how Kakashi knew about it, althought we have no clues about it but we have Naruto thinking of winning to chuunin exam with Sakura being one of his motivation, and his thinking about "maybe when i came back she will love him" and how he wanted to act cool in front of her and stuff.

Those examples are fail to appoint that his love is n obssession, because Naruto did similar things on the manga, like shapshifiting into Sasuke and almost kissed Sakura.

 

Obito's is selfish because he's close minded and is entitled to his opinion, and the difference between Naruto and Obito is that Naruto managed to have more bonds, and Obito lose everything because of what Kakashi pointed out, he lose everything because he hasnt managed to make other bonds or find a substitute for Rin and Kakashi, he lose his team, and instead of finding another one, he used his loss as a motivation(to not want those things to happen again) to change the world, ofc he's doing on a selfish way but it doesnt make his love selfish.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 10 September 2013 - 06:43 PM.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Do you think Obito wants to the genjutsu world to save millions of strangers, or to be with Rin again?  Which sounds more like his priority?

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 10 September 2013 - 07:00 PM.

[arian_rad]

Do you think Obito wants to the genjutsu world to save millions of strangers, or to be with Rin again?  Which sounds more like his priority?

I would say his main motivation is Rin... Lets e honest she is the one that drives him to do all this, but at the end of the day... Being brainwashed by madara and stuff he honestly thinks what he is doing is the only way to save the shinobi world and what it has become. His methods are definitely selfish as he is creating a world that only he deems perfect but then again, he was brainwashed and witnessed his love die.... Soo yeah.

[Darkness]

Do you think Obito wants to the genjutsu world to save millions of strangers, or to be with Rin again?  Which sounds more like his priority?

 

Kind of both. If he only wanted to have Rin he could have brought her back to life with the Rinnengan or maybe used the Genjutsu upon himself only. He believes he is some kind of messiah trying to free the world from the curse of hatred.

Edited by Darkness, 10 September 2013 - 07:13 PM.

[StriderC]

^She doesn't have to actually die - it would be enough for Naruto to think that she's dead.  Or who knows, maybe Naruto can simply say that having a similar love, he can imagine the pain Obito must have felt upon failing to protect her, seeing her die at the hands of their third teammate whom Rin loved (after all, he did nearly loose Sakura to Sasuke at the summit).
 
Either way, I highly doubt that Sakura is actually going to die in this manga.  If she does, I would bet anything that she would be revived.  She's a main character and part of the new generation.

It'd be cool if it sort of reversed. Sakura doesn't get severely injured but Narutp does and we get a hugeeee reaction from Sakura. I don't know. I'd love this so much more than Naruto reacting. I want to see Sakura flip out over Naruto and Obito/Naruto react to her doing so.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

Do you think Obito wants to the genjutsu world to save millions of strangers, or to be with Rin again?  Which sounds more like his priority?

 

A little of both I think. His main motivation is Rin, but I think he may have deluded himself to think it is truly the world's one and only solution to pain and suffering. He thinks it will made everyone happy, even if he has to force them, yet he also wants everyone to experience his despair, he is a contradicting individual, but then again, most people are. Perhaps it is less about 'being with Rin again', than it is about righting the wrong of her death, I think Obito sees her death as unfair, that a good person like her should die, by the hand of the one she loved. I don't know if I'm making any sense.