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[morgaine4]

So anyone think Naruto will lose power putting Sasuke on an equal level for the Naruto/Sasuke fight

 

Could be, or Sasuke will get the Rinnegan, or Sasuke will be able to incapacitate Kuraama somehow...or...well...anything.

 

But, I suck at predictions...so ignore me.

[Sojobo]

I think that Sasuke will become the complete Juubi's Jinchuuriki. I don't know if this will happen in the next chapter, but he's definitly interested in this power, especially, the Omnyouton, that Kekkei Genkai that has the power to destroy everything, even an Edo Tensei like Madara. 

Remember, Sasuke wants Madara dead, same goes for Obito, he wants to erase them.

 

And after that, he would probably want to erase Naruto too.

Juubi Sasuke VS Naruto Kurama full power. This is what we're gonna see at the end of the story.

Edited by Sojobo, 09 September 2013 - 11:21 PM.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

^ Problem is Sasuke wants to eliminate the Juubi along with the Tailed Beasts still inside.  He wants to erase the current shinobi system, but that's a vague term as how does one eliminate a system.  He wants to erase Naruto as he represents the past he wants to get rid of.  We've got major foreshadowing of Sasuke having hidden objectives, but no idea how he plans to accomplish them.  One thing for sure is that he won't become the Juubi's jinchuuriki.  Using something of the old system to crush the old system is counter productive.

 

I believe Obito will be stopped, and many factors could do it, as Kakashi is still in the other world, and Madara is about to play his trump as well. Others have said the Moon's eye won't be explored because we've had the sample in Road to Ninja, and I agree.  Plus, I want to add that going through it again with Naruto will be miscellaneous.  Naruto already is resolved enough.  We've seen his conviction.  I feel having him experience the Moon's eye world would be back tracking, because Naruto is already prepared to look towards the future.  With the others, such as Sakura, it would be interesting to see, but the others feel the same way Naruto does, and whatever inner conflicts each person has can be handled outside the genjutsu in other ways.  Besides, I feel that if the genjutsu goes through, it's over.  They lose.

[Nostradamus]

THANK YOU.  She made the situation worse, Naruto was worried that he killed her (and others) and luckily because of PnJ he didn't hurt anyone, and luckily because of PnJ Minato had sealed his chakra into Naruto to prevent Naruto from commiting suicide.  Hinata's rash, unplanned actions could have lead to Naruto's suicide, but that's completely ignored.  If Hinata had thought just a little bit, if she had planned with a group of people maybe they could have done something as a group, but she wanted to play hero and that nearly cost her life and Naruto's.  She's not a civilian, she's a kunoichi who is trained in war tactics, she was a chuunin, she should have used her brain.  I still don't understand what her intentions were, she knew that alone she had no chance to save Naruto, so why did she jump in alone?  It really seems that she wanted to confess, and took this opportunity because she figured if she sacrificed herself she wouldn't have to face rejection?  I don't understand it at all, it's almost sad.

 

I know even in my rant I pointed this out. She goes there confesses her love and then decides to commit suicide. I mean she said she loves him, so why doesn't she help him?

The anime team needed to redo that moment because even they understood that Hinata did nothing.

 

 

 

One of the most glaring double standards in the American Naruto fanbase.  People hate Sakura for her lingering feelings for Sasuke (though those keep diminishing as time goes by), but love Hinata despite the same kind of infatuation with Naruto.  The reason is simply because Naruto is a good person, and Sasuke was a jerk.  Of course, the fact they focus on the object of the affection instead of the affection itself makes the fallacy so obvious.

 

This is something that I will probably never understand. They hate Sakura for being Sasuke's fangirl but they absolutely love Hinata for being Naruto's fangirl. It's literally the same thing.

 

 

This is interesting as i believe it applies to sakura about her "love" for sasuke

 

True she said she "loves" Sasuke but her actions shows us otherwise.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

How was Ino pathetic?  She's the most ignorant regarding Sasuke.  Ino hasn't seen him for three years.  She didn't see the lows Karin and Sakura experienced and witnessed.  Regarding Rin, I don't know if she would change her feelings to love someone who died.  She can use the enlightenment for growth, but she can't change her feelings because it would solve nothing.  The chance was already gone. Besides, Obito already shoved the real Rin aside for this ideal image he has of her. He blatantly said to Kakashi to him Rin didn't die, and won't bother consider her feelings when she chose to die protecting the Leaf, because that's all the illusion.  I doubt even saying the real one loved him would stop him now.  It contrasts him and Naruto well.  Naruto would accept Sakura being with Sasuke if it meant she was happy.  Obito only thinks of himself being happy, while what Rin would have wanted is moot.  Naruto's love is selfless, while Obito's is selfish.

 

 

I wish you elaborate how Obito's love for Rin is selfish?

 

He wanted to make a confess but dropped it as soon he saw that Rin loved Kakashi, the same thing Naruto is doing the entire manga, hiding his feelings from her because he blindly believes Sakura loves Sasuke(with a reason), and only displays it when it comes to jokes and stuff, even his date requests are made to be comic, he never asked for a date on a serious way and stuff.

Naruto like Obito also vowed to protect their loved ones, the difference is that Obito failed and Sakura is still there, we will never see how Naruto would react if his "Sakura-chan" would die, instead we got Neji who seriosly is not on the same level as Sakura of importance to him.

 

Rin died and Obito vowed to change the world and bring peace to it, he see himself as a trash and a failure for being unable to protect her.

 

 

I think Darkrerst was referring to her talk with her dad , how she should find a perfect love  and she immidiately thought of Sasuke without a doubt ,then her dad remind her of her friends . She loves Sasuke which she has zero time spent with and its her perfect love....... After she saw him in 631 she ran towards him screaming ''Sasuke-kun'' recklessly while Shika and Choji reminded her that Sasuke was the enemy ... Its kind of illogical that love or hers i mean .

Truth be told that scene expressed Sakura's case more than anything regarding her love for Sasuke too, how genuine it is ..

 

Disagree with you there, the least thing that Sakura need is to scream like a fangirl, remember well that unlike Ino, Sasuke did tried to kill her two times, if she would react the same way like Ino i would be greatly concerned about her character.

 

She was surprised about Sasuke going to help them, when she has the vision that he's a bad guy and a murderer, an horrible guy.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 10 September 2013 - 12:50 AM.

[Superman333]

I wish you elaborate how Obito's love for Rin is selfish?

 

He wanted to make a confess but dropped it as soon he saw that Rin loved Kakashi, the same thing Naruto is doing the entire manga, hiding his feelings from her because he blindly believes Sakura loves Sasuke(with a reason), and only displays it when it comes to jokes and stuff, even his date requests are made to be comic, he never asked for a date on a serious way and stuff.

Naruto like Obito also vowed to protect their loved ones, the difference is that Obito failed and Sakura is still there, we will never see how Naruto would react if his "Sakura-chan" would die, instead we got Neji who seriosly is not on the same level as Sakura of importance to him.

 

Rin died and Obito vowed to change the world and bring peace to it, he see himself as a trash and a failure for being unable to protect her.

 

 

 

Disagree with you there, the least thing that Sakura need is to scream like a fangirl, remember well that unlike Ino, Sasuke did tried to kill her two times, if she would react the same way like Ino i would be greatly concerned about her character.

don't  really get how Obito's love for Rin was selfish ...

[DattebayoXShannaro]

I wish you elaborate how Obito's love for Rin is selfish?

 

He wanted to make a confess but dropped it as soon he saw that Rin loved Kakashi, the same thing Naruto is doing the entire manga, hiding his feelings from her because he blindly believes Sakura loves Sasuke(with a reason), and only displays it when it comes to jokes and stuff, even his date requests are made to be comic, he never asked for a date on a serious way and stuff.

Naruto like Obito also vowed to protect their loved ones, the difference is that Obito failed and Sakura is still there, we will never see how Naruto would react if his "Sakura-chan" would die, instead we got Neji who seriosly is not on the same level as Sakura of importance to him.

 

Rin died and Obito vowed to change the world and bring peace to it, he see himself as a trash and a failure for being unable to protect her.

 

 

 

Disagree with you there, the least thing that Sakura need is to scream like a fangirl, remember well that unlike Ino, Sasuke did tried to kill her two times, if she would react the same way like Ino i would be greatly concerned about her character.

 

She was surprised about Sasuke going to help them, when she has the vision that he's a bad guy and a murderer, an horrible guy.

 

I meant the way he is now, not younger Obito, when you would call at that time was your average love life for a kid his age.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 10 September 2013 - 01:15 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

I meant the way he is now, not younger Obito, when you would call at that time was your average love life for a kid his age.

He's not selfish, i would say he doesnt believe on the world anymore, Rin's death drove in into this state, Obito lose everything, he saw Kakashi killing her and also Rin died, he didnt like his teacher because he was never with them when they needed him the most.

Obito does has good intentions but he's following the wrong path, in the end he and Naruto has the same objectives but what's different is their methods.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

He's not selfish, i would say he doesnt believe on the world anymore, Rin's death drove in into this state, Obito lose everything, he saw Kakashi killing her and also Rin died, he didnt like his teacher because he was never with them when they needed him the most.

Obito does has good intentions but he's following the wrong path, in the end he and Naruto has the same objectives but what's different is their methods.

 

I agree that they both want to change the current ninja system, but have different methods.  Obito wants to force his good intentions onto others, making them no different from evil intentions.  The whole ninja world is basically telling him they don't want or need his dream world, but he still uses his own judgment to say otherwise.  In the end, it'll lead to a complete and stagnant world the means nothing in the end. People will be limited to mere existence, unable to act on their own.  Like Gaara said at the summit, peace is only meaningful when it is achieved through honest means.  Even with Rin, he has forgotten to take the other person's feelings into account, replacing it with an illusion the he himself dictates.  You have to admit that he's selfish to a degree.

[morgaine4]

He's not selfish, i would say he doesnt believe on the world anymore, Rin's death drove in into this state, Obito lose everything, he saw Kakashi killing her and also Rin died, he didnt like his teacher because he was never with them when they needed him the most.

Obito does has good intentions but he's following the wrong path, in the end he and Naruto has the same objectives but what's different is their methods.

 

Obito is selfish, his love for Rin is selfish, if he wasn't then he would consider how Rin would feel about his actions, about the fact that he's trying to enslave the world's population, about the fact that he is so selfish in his grief that he's totally and completely disregarding the decisions Rin made as a kunoichi.

 

One of the major reasons the end of 631 made me an NS shipper (after years of debating NS was inevitable without actually shipping them, it took the end of 631 for me to actually fall in love with this relationship) is because that moment illustrated that Naruto not only loves Sakura, but he respect her.  He respects that she's a kunoichi, he respects her strength as a kunoichi, he respects the decisions she might or might not make in a professional capacity.  That is the difference I see between Obito's love for Rin, and Naruto's love for Sakura and IF Naruto's feelings for Sakura play into the conversion of Obito, I hope that this difference is played up.  That's why I really want for Naruto to truly believe that Sakura is dead, that's why I want to see how he would react and precisely how he'd react differently from Obito because more often than not it feels as if Obito remembers what he feels/felt for Rin, but forgets who and what she was --something needs to remind him of that, something or someone needs to remind him that RIN would be very pissed at him for the way he has reacted.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Wow I didn't know you became a shipper on that chapter. And you know what, you're right about that. 631 sure did a huge effect in more than one ways. :)

[morgaine4]

Wow I didn't know you became a shipper on that chapter. And you know what, you're right about that. 631 sure did a huge effect in more than one ways. :)

 

Ohh?  I thought you knew?

 

Yeah, yeah I did.  Naruto's reaction when Sakura demanded respect reach my stone-cold-happy-mushy-romance hating heart.  It odly reminds me of when Simba used Nala's trick to escape Scar's clutches.  But seriously, the major reason I didn't ship NS for a long time was that it always felt that once associated with a romantic relationship, a kunoichi's individuality, and career are often forgotten and because of how much I adore Sakura's strength, drive, and intelligence I just didn't want to see that happening.  Naruto's reaction in 631 and the way Kishimoto wrote both Minato and Kushina's professional relationship, as well as Mebuki and Kizashi's relationship in RtN influenced me quite a bit (I know RtN isn't canon, but since it was based on Kishi's vision I let it influence me)

[Superman333]

i became a shipper since chapter 3 everythign was kind of obvious to me since then . 

[morgaine4]

i became a shipper since chapter 3 everythign was kind of obvious to me since then . 

 

Well, yeah, chapter 3 indicated that NS was probably inevitable unless Kishimoto's goal for the main character was that the hero would be less straightforward, focused...and could be someone who might give up or might actually lose in the end, but I wasn't convinced that I'd like the couple enough to ship it until much, much later.  But yeah, considering this is a manga about the main character eventually achieving his dream, NS has been inevitable since chapter 3.  The only thing that could have changed that would have been if Naruto began to fall for someone else, but considering Kishimoto's emphasis "that a real man is loyal to the people he loves (in the case of romance, even if he can't be with that person), and a real, strong woman is able to move on from something that's unhealthy to something that is much healthier" it's apparent that Naruto won't change but will be able to be with the woman he loves (even if he's willing to stand aside for the sake of her happiness), but Sakura will succeed in realizing her feelings before it's too late.

[Darkness]

He's not selfish, i would say he doesnt believe on the world anymore, Rin's death drove in into this state, Obito lose everything, he saw Kakashi killing her and also Rin died, he didnt like his teacher because he was never with them when they needed him the most.

Obito does has good intentions but he's following the wrong path, in the end he and Naruto has the same objectives but what's different is their methods.

 

I sympathize with Obito in that regard because he really went through some very tough moments during his life and died in a horrible way, all leading to the the very bad choices he have made, but he is definitely being cuzão pra caraaalho! selfish. He only cares about himself/his desires and doesn't give a damn about others at all, that's pretty much the definition of  the word "selfish"

i became a shipper since chapter 3 everythign was kind of obvious to me since then . 

 

Same here, though not a real shipper because I never felt like discussing or even "protecting" my favorite pairing because honestly I thought that a NS ending was pretty obvious to everyone (how naive...). No need to say, but to my surprise I was deadly wrong.

Edited by Darkness, 10 September 2013 - 05:47 AM.

[Question22]

Sasuke needs a power up if kishi doesnt give him he will get hes ass kicked at the start of the battle.... Naruto is much op right now , i want Sasuke to level up too!

 

or Naruto vs Sasuke battle is pointless then

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Obito is selfish, his love for Rin is selfish, if he wasn't then he would consider how Rin would feel about his actions, about the fact that he's trying to enslave the world's population, about the fact that he is so selfish in his grief that he's totally and completely disregarding the decisions Rin made as a kunoichi.

 

One of the major reasons the end of 631 made me an NS shipper (after years of debating NS was inevitable without actually shipping them, it took the end of 631 for me to actually fall in love with this relationship) is because that moment illustrated that Naruto not only loves Sakura, but he respect her.  He respects that she's a kunoichi, he respects her strength as a kunoichi, he respects the decisions she might or might not make in a professional capacity.  That is the difference I see between Obito's love for Rin, and Naruto's love for Sakura and IF Naruto's feelings for Sakura play into the conversion of Obito, I hope that this difference is played up.  That's why I really want for Naruto to truly believe that Sakura is dead, that's why I want to see how he would react and precisely how he'd react differently from Obito because more often than not it feels as if Obito remembers what he feels/felt for Rin, but forgets who and what she was --something needs to remind him of that, something or someone needs to remind him that RIN would be very pissed at him for the way he has reacted.

She died, and he lost everything, the only reason that he found to keep on being alive is that he believed that a genjutsu world would "fix" the world.

The reason why Rin keeps coming when he's about to fail, it's because those are his fondest memories he had, the same thing Sakura was about to die against Sasori and she reminded about team 7.

 

@DattebayxShannaro.

His actions are selfish ofc because he's not taking into account the will of the others but his love for Rin is not selfish.

He respected Rin too, show me a panel where he forced her to love him, he sacrificed his life for her, and did not expected her to return his feelings, he died without confessing his love for her because he knew she loved another guy and didnt wanted to be a stone on her path, he was willing to fail on a mission to save her, meawhile Kakashi acting like a jerk towards her and he didnt forced his love on RIn, tell me how it's selfish?

Their interactions are pretty much similar to Naruto and Sakura, it's show both of them suporting each other;

The only thing Obi/Rin caused was to the audience feel sorry for him and hopes for Naruto to succeed on NS so he could surpass Obito.

 

Obito being selfish because he's entitled to his opinion has nothing to do with his love for Rin.

 

 

 

I sympathize with Obito in that regard because he really went through some very tough moments during his life and died in a horrible way, all leading to the the very bad choices he have made, but he is definitely being cuzão pra caraaalho! selfish. He only cares about himself/his desires and doesn't give a damn about others at all, that's pretty much the definition of  the word "selfish"

 

Ainda assim nao torna o amor que ele tem pela Rin, egoísta.
Ele é egoísta porque acredita que o caminho dele e o correto porque o Naruto não passou pelos mesmos problemas que ele.

Mas isso não tem nada a ver com o amor que ele tem pela Rin.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 10 September 2013 - 01:22 PM.

[Question22]

Obito is the type of character that what naruto would do if he turns evil

 

The same team story

 

The female medical ninja of the team ends up loving the cool guy of the team

 

While the idiot of the team loves the medical ninja later on.

 

Obito did the same thing what naruto would do for sakura , (Obito died for Rin , Naruto would do the same thing for Sakura)

 

i would like naruto to accomplish what Obito didnt , same as Jiraya.

Edited by Question22, 10 September 2013 - 01:31 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I got to admit, it's funny that so many things are happening now yet the possibility of parallel for ObiRin is still on.

[Qia]

I got to admit, it's funny that so many things are happening now yet the possibility of parallel for ObiRin is still on.

 

Really? I've got to know...because at this point I don't really understand, but why do you hope for this parallel so much? What do you think it will accomplish?