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#7821 Inferno180

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 10:05 PM

but the thing is Naruto has been compared to Kushina before .... that doesn't take away the fact that Sakura was still compared to Kushina .


Well it's rather the fact that sakura is still the only girl compared to Kushina. Add in the backstory and early interaction Kushina had with minato and how similar it is towards Sakura's with naruto. You have situations like the physical features they hated, they looked down on the blondes who actually liked the features the girls themselves hated. That's enough of a link.

Besides, yes naruto is like both his parents, but if anything it's the minato side that is seen as the predominant one. Mainly remember how many times naruto has been compared to minato, Kakashi did this twice, jiriaya did it twice (one time advocating to tsunade why he sees him more like minato), tsunade saw him like minato, ay even compared naruto to minato. Minato himself had a quick excited side too because of those long names he gave stuff like naruto and sasukes wind fire combo attack. Besides its also more about who naruto is aspiring to be like, in this case minato, to solve the things of the past. Yeah naruto has similarities to both parents but that minato side has been asserted more. Even then there are still plenty of things sakura has in common with minato.

Both are normal as far as we know, both are very smart, both considered prodigies in their respective talents for minato it was his ninjutsu and space time techniques, for sakura her medical techniques. Both also studied under a Sannin. That's already a fair amount of relation between sakura and minato despite no such parallel existing now. Isn't that funny? Even then that chapter focused on how minato remembered what fighting with Kushina alongside him was like, it's not a full blown parallel, but naruto has both attributes from his parents, just the minato side is seen more.

Most importantly, how does this help nh? They still have no parallels, they have nothing that can canonically be linked, they even a started to say 645 scenes were like 615 yet they always blasted us saying tha land of iron and night of narutos birth ns mk reacuse scenes respectively were worth nothing despite there being a practical carbon copy of the scene yet they say this somehow from 645 is now worth something? Basically the are going to leap on anything they can to tackle ns despite the fact sakura is still the only girl compared to Kushina. How is that factor so easily ignored I don't know, but hey some people love playing dumb. Most people tend to follow just words and think this means well everything is done, just because naruto has been compared to Kushina this somehow overrides the other ones before like naruto can't somehow have both the traits? I mean we can say Kakashi is paralleled to naruto and Sasuke based on pasts and the situation at hand but the Sasuke one is dominant cause well look at how obito ended up compare to him and naruto with Sasuke. See we can say Kakashi has traits to be paralleled to naruto by situation at hand and past opposite naruto and Sasuke but the Sasuke one is the dominat one, Kakashi in effect is like the kind of person Sasuke should become, one who suffered great losses but finds new resolve in a better path for the future. Worst part about this arguement, if ns is a Kushina Kushina the. Nh suffers the same, hinata cannot be like both parents (wtf even thought minato was like her was smoking some bad stuff) even then by right and logic then we can say for both ns and nh whoever which girl is paralleled too, naruto having the traits of both parents could logically work with the trait of the other, think of the situation of sakura and hinata holding minato or Kushina while naruto holds both kinda like a blood type ordeal, naruto is like ab while the girls have only the a or the b, the ab can work with either one. But this whole arguement is flawed to begin with cause nh has no parallels, remember what I said before? They don't have much evidence to argue or prove so they take anything they see even non pairing related and turn it to stuff like this to try and bring down ns credibility since nh credibility cannot increase. 631 was a huge sting to them, now if minato leaves in the next few chapters well if he never speaks to hinata then that's a ravaged wound nh cannot heal.

But seriously just look at the development, look at 631 and kushinas story to naruto, look at kushinas foreshadow, look what minato said, look at signs of change with 635. I don't know who some nh fans are kidding but seriously 631 wasn't enough to just let them have the notion that say ns may happen? It's just saying hint hint look at sakura think back to what Kushina said compared to minato now. Look at the lack of nh throughout the story. I don't know why some fans think it would ruin the continuity for ns to go canon but 631 could be the beginning of the end for the pairing stuff. Naruto still likes sakura, he practically said it if he really considers her his girlfriend I mean so much for loving hinata now. Just again where the hell did naruto start loving hinata? Seriously, we got a notion from a simple filler naruto still loved sakura, even then nothing manga wise came up saying he no longer loved sakura. People focus too much in the words and never consider many other things like the mentality of the characters, the logic of the story structure, the aspects of character development and their traits, etc. I mea. Seriously as,img sakura to never stop liking Sasuke is the same as if Sasuke was never going to go back to normal in the end which you know he will. It's like if naruto never changed kurama either. The one way we can say why naruto still loves sakura, just think. Who is his closest friend for the majority of the story? Who had such a relation focused for a long time that its been brought up many times in the story especially for some of the most emotional impacts on their parts. There has been so much focus on ns changing relation with nh having been usable at several points but left out many times, just what are they expecting now? 631 only gave 2 more obsticiles a girl like Kushina parallel sakura, and how naruto still feels about her. Yet they think stuff like 632 or 633 or even 645 now just overdid this when it didn't hit that mark at all, a simple comedic moment in 632 was just for that, comedy but they think naruto is honestly scared of her to not love her anymore? Seriously? Oh well guess the new distrust of Sasuke is meaningless considering we just saw this 10 chapters ago.

Seriously nh has just too many issues, I don't mean to say it but how freaking bad is reader comprehension? If this was something you could read as a required book in a school subject, if you had to touch upon the underlying limited romance elements, I bet most people would honestly freaking fail the subject because its just all going back to one oversimplified factor: more screentime = more development and relevance. Nh has next to no relevance. I don't mean to say it but nh no longer frustrates me on what they say, it's the fact that I feel a legion of naruto fans cannot comprehend simple plot relevance if it appears more the it should notably be more important, not to mention the literary obsticiles. SS is just one big convoluted mess to need to even try to occur. Nh has a better chance than SS but it's still riddled with so many problems like what is needed for sakura and Sasuke without ruining their characters? People don't like to say set hinata aside for ns, she won't be, she will get her ending development but people need to freaking think: what can nh do with events like 631 if its this late, the time is getting shorter till the end, how can hinata develop or naruto turn to her without ruining her limitation aka the areas hinata is allowed vs not allowed when it comes to plot points. She has no business in the team 7 stuff cause she never even freaking spoke to Sasuke. Once. So how it's she so suddenly important? Hinata gets left out with no importantance between the end of the fight with neji until pain. Yet the pain stuff still goes unaddressed 615 seemed to prove more and more it was just friendship with naruto giving it no thought. Kishi giving sakura a small period of downtime to actually meet minato when hinata was equally able to qualify, sakura getting development off her own shortcomings in the land of iron for chapter 630 about relying on naruto in the past, seriously what so people expect to happen? You don't just fill this all in in an instant. Nh would be nothing more than a rushed forced pairing literally reducing hinata to a token plot device romance fodder character regardless of her limited development which could I don't know. Be related to her getting self esteem. Leading her clan, etc. what the hell are fans expecting? The point I'm beginning to get annoyed with is how people think that with all that written in frequency that its just going to be sidelined for something with little prior focus, notion, or hints.basically ns is that frequent one and nh is the hardly touched one. Even if it all turned to be on nh, seriously that doesn't come off as weak writing? Otherwise why the hell spend so many years making a freaking focus on this stuff only to turn it out on something else. This doesn't speak absolute stupid to some of these fans? Woundnt it have been better for I don't know for Kishi to actually freaking use hinata more? That's just it, it comes down to screentime and frequency and focus. Ns has gotten all of these and notions development and clues yet fans still think nh is magically going to just go into the middle of it all? Seriously? That's what makes me ashamed if people cannot understand the simple literary structures or rather basic literary concepts like character development, character arcs, and screentime to just comprehend this stuff. This is why I get ashamed at the naruto fanbase and all pairing fans when they cannot understand this basic stuff. I'm not an English major nor am I an expert but even I freaking understand and these are concepts in any book I've read. Any story. But hey why bother look for meaning when it's so much easier to bash sakura? Because nh has little evidence, this is why they turn to downgrade ns whenever the chance.i have no time to debate with any fans who cannot follow basic literally concepts. If naruto and sakura s relation is too hard to understand because of the frequency of the screentime, then there's no point in debating. It's going to be used for something in the end no matter how fans think. It's not canon yet but it should simply stand under one simple current acknowledgement, it has the most potential due to all that was seen.nif naruto is still not over sakura and sakura herself is possibly turning away from Sasuke well then what's that tell you? Ns has a huge possibility so just keep open for it. It's that simple yet so many refuse to believe it. Things can turn anytime yes, but just think how stupid it would look in the long run. You cannot just sideline characters especially those important to the main plot and sakura is in here no matter how fans think. 631 had naruto practically say he still loves her and minatos foreshadow should be enough too. Just at this point, what the hell is nh even looking for? I mean seriously these elements have bee brought forth more ns stuff con come from the sakura Kushina link. What are nh fans looking for exactly now? You don't suddenly change what was put in or written, writing is like a contract, you need to in the most part follow what you previously wrote. Kishi can change this anytime by breaking that convection as a writing like others, but doing it do much leaves the audience lost and also harms the message of development you intend to write. Kushina isn't coming back, minato has no reason to meet hinata, sakura is already linked to Kushina and the foreshadow has been built on in 631. These wont change and if they did well that's just jumbling to much up for fans to follow. In writing you don't want to lose the audience, you don't want to flip flop every so often. If Kishi did the. What the hell kind of writing is it? Seriously as things are written for meaning 631 is something fans need to deal with. Kishi is trying not to loose the audience, but that apparently never means the audience won't get lost themselves if they fail to see clues and recognize context or think of certain scenes linked together. If fans cannot link chapter 3 to kushinas background story and foreshadow to 631 then I'm sorry but that's just outright foolish. Things like these are written in similarity for reasons the reader should understand I mean hell in avatar the last airbender the whole conflict with aang and zuko becoming friends was perfectly paralleled opposite towards roku and sozin who began the war while the predissesors ended it. Roku and sozin has a great start in lif and began as friends but became enemies and the war started, the opposite was for aang and zuko, came into a conflict, a period of war, but became friends in the end after many trails and ended the war. See a tv show made things so freaking easy to understand, a series like naruto shouldn't be so hard but some people just make it that hard. Ns has the focus, dynamics, development, screentime, and the parallels as a side bonus, with so much edivdence to be brushed off as nothing rather than potential then fans are just ignoring obvious things they should really consider.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 10:17 PM

SS is just dead guys , hell even being a SS fan isnt very secure these days

 

Kishi always kills SS  thats why

 

We won the pairing war againts them  , but NH is the next step to kill

 

P.S dammit man you typed so much that i prefer reading a book than this lol

 

P.S.S thanks for making me understand guys hell you guys even give me the hope to ship NS

 

I have a question what was your first ship in the naruto series ?


Edited by Question22, 08 September 2013 - 10:25 PM.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 10:24 PM

Everyone. Will you please tone down the bashing towards the rival pairings?! I see a lot of it in the last couple of posts. Cut it out!


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 10:26 PM

Yeah we need to go back on topic :C


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 10:27 PM

Sorry. Right now, we just pretty much talking about nothing has changed in parallel and morgaine4 said it nicely and I have read that post. Really well said.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 10:57 PM

540 didn't just show Sakura's lingering feelings for Sasuke, Kishi for some reason included her negative opinion of him too. He could've exluded the "good guy" part and just confirmed her love. Then you have 631, her not trusting him at all and he just showed up without doing anything suspiscious. Don't even get me started on 635.

 

How he chooses to represent SS, must be terrible being a fan of the pairing nowadays.. :lmao:

I think the problem is, Sasuke's current state, if he turns good would it "erase".

I'm believing that the point of 540 and "path to radiance" and 631 is to show her that she should love someome else, who's good to her aka a great guy, just like they pointed out, while her view about Sasuke is him involved in dark flames (which were removed on the anime version for no reason) on the meantime shows Naruto being hero and being a great guy who will save the world, her words on "path to radiance".

I'll discard the interaction when they fought as a team because it was just to give nostalgia, but still i hope this is the point not with Sakura hoing for Sasuke be good and whatever, i hope it leads to a point where she deeply confront her feelings not just, "Sasuke is a bad guy" and then discard it.

We already saw Ino and Karin and they were pathetic.

 

It's the same with Rin, there must be a reason of why Kishi made Kakash tell her about Obito's feelings the same happened with Sakura, and then the great guy, if those are moments to push Sakura to stop loving Sasuke then i dont know nothing anymore.


Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 September 2013 - 11:00 PM.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 11:03 PM

Sasuke will get rinegan , so he could be at naruto's level


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 11:19 PM

Sasuke will get rinegan , so he could be at naruto's level

I would rather want NH.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 11:29 PM

I would rather want NH.

So goodbye because the story is going on this direction.

 

We got three rinnegan users and the rinnegan wasnt fully explored.


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 11:37 PM

So goodbye because the story is going on this direction.
 
We got three rinnegan users and the rinnegan wasnt fully explored.

That's...actually true? Hm, didn't think about that. Someone tell me if we have seen the eyes in full potential.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 11:52 PM

Sasuke gets either Madara scaled power or the rinnegan, has to be something to equal Naruto, he will get a final power boost. It was rather even when Naruto got tailed beast mode during the eariler portion of this fight with Obito and Sasuke got full control with his EMS.

 

As for the story well think of it like this pairing-wise, this lust for more power as seen recently is going to drive Sasuke to bigger ambitions. As we saw from 635 with Sakura not trusting him, in a later one Sasuke claims he will erase Naruto. Well you can see how these impacts will come forward later on into a conflict and Sasuke's choice/actions will again impact Naruto and Sakura. So yeah more NS stuff around Sasuke will come up but remember Naruto and Sakura have a shared pain over Sasuke which was one thing that did help them grow closer.



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Posted 08 September 2013 - 11:52 PM

Maybe Naruto will lose power, that should even out the field.

 

My first Naruto ship? NS since day (episode) one



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Posted 08 September 2013 - 11:56 PM

That's...actually true? Hm, didn't think about that. Someone tell me if we have seen the eyes in full potential.

Madara never showed the full potential of the rinnegan, nagato limited himself to those 6 skills but still nothing on the level Madara did with that meteor, there's a lot of stuff on the rinnegan to cover and even Obito is not using it.

If there's something who's yet to be fully explained is the rinnegan.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 12:09 AM

Madara never showed the full potential of the rinnegan, nagato limited himself to those 6 skills but still nothing on the level Madara did with that meteor, there's a lot of stuff on the rinnegan to cover and even Obito is not using it.
If there's something who's yet to be fully explained is the rinnegan.

Let's not forget that Orochimaru knows this which is why he tried to get an Uchiha body for many reason. So yeah, now the potential increased.

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 12:33 AM

540 didn't just show Sakura's lingering feelings for Sasuke, Kishi for some reason included her negative opinion of him too. He could've exluded the "good guy" part and just confirmed her love. Then you have 631, her not trusting him at all and he just showed up without doing anything suspiscious. Don't even get me started on 635.

 

How he chooses to represent SS, must be terrible being a fan of the pairing nowadays.. :lmao:

 

I suppose so well the ones who want it to be canon, I hear in Japan SS is as popular as NS but it seems they have already accepted that NS is endgame so they just ship it for fun.



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Posted 09 September 2013 - 01:57 AM

Meh. Just showing my current project.

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 01:59 AM

Meh. Just showing my current project.

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It looks pretty badass bro. 


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 02:04 AM

It looks pretty badass bro.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 02:11 AM

Meh. Just showing my current project.

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 02:20 AM

GREAT JOB BRA .


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