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[ramenanmitsu]

I think he is actually regretting the decisions he made and telling the younger generation to NOT follow in his footsteps. If he was playing the victim, he wouldn't have said words such as, "recently I think", or "if you lose, that's all you'll ever be". He already acknowledged in previous interviews that he sold out. It would contradict the previous interviews if he is playing 'the victim who never gave up on his work' card.

Edit: Geez I was trying to look cool and dandy with a new breeze of opinion but KnS already took the spotlight two minutes ahead :/

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 02 March 2015 - 03:14 PM.

[TheFlash]

 
And shot himself in the foot.

Lololol!!

[harry4e]

LOL. I believe it will flop on the first volume.


Shot himself in the head.

 

N'ah the head would mean we wouldn't have to put up with anymore of his BS contradicting quotes. the Foot leaves his mouth open for more crap to spill out of it.

[Narufan85]

I'm going to read that as him reflecting on his own decisions on how to end Naruto. Whatever cheap balm for my soul I can use, I'm going to use it all.

[Metalhead87]

 

What if he's not talking about the fans at all?  What if the "annoying voices" and "harsh judgments" and "opposing opinions" are those of his bosses, editors, and other business relationships who may have forced him to make choices he never imagined or wanted?  

 

What if he's discreetly trying to tell other mangaka not to sell out, or not get in a position where you have no choice.

 

The truth is, we don't know for sure why any of this has happened this way.  It certainly isn't what Kishimoto planned, because we can see from the story that cannot possibly be true.  We can see from the ongoing character destruction and retcon nonsense that there was a decision made to CHANGE EVERYTHING so the franchise could be taken in a different direction.

 

We don't know what Kishimoto's role was in this disaster.  Not really.  It's easy to blame and disparage him, but the degree of his responsibility in this mess is unclear.  Did he get hit in the head one day and suddenly decide he'd wasted his time writing it a certain way for 15 years?  Did he make an unfortunate and short-sighted business agreement that made him money but sacrificed his legacy?  Is he just guilty of being passive and bowing to the pressure of stronger personalities?

 

The only thing we know for sure is that they're all LYING that the current state of the manga and its characters was ever intended.  The story doesn't support it.

 

The whole thing is like a staged crime scene now.  It's so obvious that things have been tampered with, and done in a way that hopes to mislead the audience that it happened naturally.  Their only option is to lie and keep lying because the forensics don't support their claims.

 

You do make an exceptionally good point with this, as does ramenanmitsu with his post.

Edited by Metalhead87, 02 March 2015 - 03:17 PM.

[LuckyChi7]

I like the other interview better. You know, the one where Oda subtly called Kishi and those like him trash

 

It's sad when a best friend has to point the truth out to you, considering that Kishi and Oda are best friends I believe, right?

 

Kishi fired back.

 

What did he do this time? 

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think he is actually regretting the decisions he made and telling the younger generation to NOT follow in his footsteps. If he was playing the victim, he wouldn't have said words such as, "recently I think", or "if you lose, that's all you'll ever be". He already acknowledged in previous interviews that he sold out. It would contradict the previous interviews if he is playing 'the victim who never gave up on his work' card.

Edit: Geez I was trying to look cool and dandy with a new breeze of opinion but KnS already took the spotlight two minutes ahead :/

Lol.

He should have learned Bakuman. Stand up and follow your own will for sake of the story you have build. If you care about it, you wouldn't let it changed. Sigh.

[Rabbit]

N'ah the head would mean we wouldn't have to put up with anymore of his BS contradicting quotes. the Foot leaves his mouth open for more crap to spill out of it.

LOL. Point taken. XD and I agree.

[AHK]

*Looks around to see if luffyq1 is here* "Long live Goda "

We all bow down to GOda U_U

[ramenanmitsu]

Lol.
He should have learned Bakuman. Stand up and follow your own will for sake of the story you have build. If you care about it, you wouldn't let it changed. Sigh.

Bakuman? I almost never heard of it....

[Hanabi]

 

It's sad when a best friend has to point the truth out to you, considering that Kishi and Oda are best friends I believe, right?

actually that oda interview happened before the naruto ending. maybe the shonen->shojo trend has been around a long time.

[AHK]

What if he's not talking about the fans at all?  What if the "annoying voices" and "harsh judgments" and "opposing opinions" are those of his bosses, editors, and other business relationships who may have forced him to make choices he never imagined or wanted?  
 
What if he's discreetly trying to tell other mangaka not to sell out, or not get in a position where you have no choice?
 
The truth is, we don't know for sure why any of this has happened this way.  It certainly isn't what Kishimoto planned, because we can see from the story that cannot possibly be true.  We can see from the ongoing character destruction and retcon nonsense that there was a decision made to CHANGE EVERYTHING so the franchise could be taken in a different direction.
 
We don't know what Kishimoto's role was in this disaster.  Not really.  It's easy to blame and disparage him, but the degree of his responsibility in this mess is unclear.  Did he get hit in the head one day and suddenly decide he'd wasted his time writing it a certain way for 15 years?  Did he make an unfortunate and short-sighted business agreement that made him money but sacrificed his legacy?  Is he just guilty of being passive and bowing to the pressure of stronger personalities?
 
The only thing we know for sure is that THEY'RE ALL LYING that the current state of the manga and its characters was ever intended.  The story doesn't support it.
 
The whole thing is like a staged crime scene now.  It's so obvious that things have been tampered with, and done in a way that hopes to mislead the audience that it happened naturally.  Their only option is to lie and keep lying because the forensics don't support their claims.

  

I think he is actually regretting the decisions he made and telling the younger generation to NOT follow in his footsteps. If he was playing the victim, he wouldn't have said words such as, "recently I think", or "if you lose, that's all you'll ever be". He already acknowledged in previous interviews that he sold out. It would contradict the previous interviews if he is playing 'the victim who never gave up on his work' card.
Edit: Geez I was trying to look cool and dandy with a new breeze of opinion but KnS already took the spotlight two minutes ahead :/

Never would have thought about it like that if either of you two hadn't said anything...

[TouKen4Life3g]

Bakuman? I almost never heard of it....

Really? It's a manga about manga. Lol.

Hey, I heard the Mangaka of Slam Dunk wrote something as well and it's more inspiring. No damage control required.

[六道仙人]

that message was reserved for future generations of mangaka and encourage them to ignore the criticism and go forward. Seems like hes speaking from his own pov and advising to ignore haters who has always critical eye for mangas.

[harry4e]

I think he is actually regretting the decisions he made and telling the younger generation to NOT follow in his footsteps. If he was playing the victim, he wouldn't have said words such as, "recently I think", or "if you lose, that's all you'll ever be". He already acknowledged in previous interviews that he sold out. It would contradict the previous interviews if he is playing 'the victim who never gave up on his work' card.

Edit: Geez I was trying to look cool and dandy with a new breeze of opinion but KnS already took the spotlight two minutes ahead :/

 

Well if that is true, it may also be down to him losing the respect of his peers, for a professional to lose the respect of your fans is one thing, but when you lose the respect of those who are in the same line of business as you, and those who looked to you for guidance, that could be a harsh pill to take, If it's true that Oda Sensie made comments that were back handed insults aimed at him, then that would be the biggest cause of regret for him, for 15 years they were likely the biggest rivals and friends and when that person is displeased with you, that same person who drew a cover to celebrate the end someone who who he himself promoted at the end isn't happy with you, then that would drive home the message more than anything else.

 

He could fool himself into believing only the minority are angry with his ending, he can't console himself when his peers lose respect for him. I wonder how many upcoming Mangaka read that ending and were disheartened by it? How many wondered if someone as successful as Kishi sold out, how would they succeed in telling the story they want to tell? Being a mangaka is not easy, it takes allot of skill, luck and hard work, the end of Naruto told all those bright eyed kids that they are just a tool.

[Narufan85]

I just read the review for TL on Kotaku (don't ask me why) and it's fawning. And. I. Just. Don't. Get. It.

[tricksie]

 

What if he's not talking about the fans at all?  What if the "annoying voices" and "harsh judgments" and "opposing opinions" are those of his bosses, editors, and other business relationships who may have forced him to make choices he never imagined or wanted?  

 

What if he's discreetly trying to tell other mangaka not to sell out, or not get in a position where you have no choice?

 

The truth is, we don't know for sure why any of this has happened this way.  It certainly isn't what Kishimoto planned, because we can see from the story that cannot possibly be true.  We can see from the ongoing character destruction and retcon nonsense that there was a decision made to CHANGE EVERYTHING so the franchise could be taken in a different direction.

 

We don't know what Kishimoto's role was in this disaster.  Not really.  It's easy to blame and disparage him, but the degree of his responsibility in this mess is unclear.  Did he get hit in the head one day and suddenly decide he'd wasted his time writing it a certain way for 15 years?  Did he make an unfortunate and short-sighted business agreement that made him money but sacrificed his legacy?  Is he just guilty of being passive and bowing to the pressure of stronger personalities?

 

The only thing we know for sure is that THEY'RE ALL LYING that the current state of the manga and its characters was ever intended.  The story doesn't support it.

 

The whole thing is like a staged crime scene now.  It's so obvious that things have been tampered with, and done in a way that hopes to mislead the audience that it happened naturally.  Their only option is to lie and keep lying because the forensics don't support their claims.

 

 

I think he is actually regretting the decisions he made and telling the younger generation to NOT follow in his footsteps. If he was playing the victim, he wouldn't have said words such as, "recently I think", or "if you lose, that's all you'll ever be". He already acknowledged in previous interviews that he sold out. It would contradict the previous interviews if he is playing 'the victim who never gave up on his work' card.

Edit: Geez I was trying to look cool and dandy with a new breeze of opinion but KnS already took the spotlight two minutes ahead :/

 

Excellently put, you guys. And my takeaway is the same: Kishimoto is referring to people over him, not the fans/audience. This is directed to his peers, future mangakas, and is about standing your ground in the face of creative or business power struggles. It is advice that can apply to anyone, but it is coming from his business experience. 

 

It may even be advice he wishes he'd had back when he started, as if telling it to a younger version of himself.

 

The lines "but you should not lose or else that's all it'll ever be. You must believe in urself and first finish the manga. Go about it like you're proving yourself,"  are very serious and introspective. Gives the sense that he understands that keeping your creative vision intact is a battle. And yes, like ramen said, it smacks of regret. Don't lose or that's all it'll ever be. Means he knows if you give it up, you can never get it back and do it over.

 

He might be talking about the ending of the manga, or he might be talking about some point where he gave up control of the story, and it unraveled from there. He was never able to get it back on track again. We don't know exactly to what he's referring, but it's a very introspective statement. Certainly not sunshine and roses. This is the voice of someone who has some regrets. And he's telling other up and coming mangkas to fight for what their vision or they will one day have regrets about it too.

 

And KnS, your stage crime scene quote - perfect!!! So true!

[RyohkiFan]

 

 

Translation: 

"when writing manga one must never forget the presence of the readers. Once you finished writing his does not mean you are done. It is the change that happens inside the readers that leads to the completion of the work. You must stick to your convictions yes, but you must also realize and remember that the reader knows nothing about you & you must get your message across to them"

 

Inoue Takehiko said this and it's the second picture next to Kishi, Akira Toriyama is the first picture but it's not important lol

Edited by RyohkiFan, 02 March 2015 - 03:36 PM.

[trang95]

 

 

Translation: 

"when writing manga one must never forget the presence of the readers. Once you finished writing his does not mean you are done. It is the change that happens inside the readers that leads to the completion of the work. You must stick to your convictions yes, but you must also realize and remember that the reader knows nothing about you & you must get your message across to them"

 

Inoue Takehiko said this and it's the second picture next to Kishi, Akira Toriyama is the first picture but it's not important lol

Wow, the mangaka of Slum Dunk and Vagabond says this. Where exactly was this released?

[RyohkiFan]

Wow, the mangaka of Slum Dunk and Vagabond says this. Where exactly was this released?

I don't know...