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[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Obviously the bond with Sasuke is going to be portrayed as the strongest and most prominent in the story. You haven't forgotten that is that very bond that finds itself at the core of the story? It's one of the elements that drive the main plot.

And Sakura is not. Which results in Sakura being less important part of Naruto's life as she does not receive the same amount of attention from the manga/plot as Sasuke.

What I see wrong with your view is that you say every bond after Sasuke as to be on the same level. Killer Bee made notice of how Iruka has a special place in Naruto's heart and yet you think Naruto only views him as important as is just any rookie.

I can see Naruto valuing Iruka more than Shino. Sasuke is the most important one. The rest we can debate much more. Is Jiraiya more important than Iruka? Surely they are both more important to Naruto than TenTen and so on. Where is Sakura placed? Not above Sasuke, IMO. Does she place higher than Jiraiya? I don't think so, but this is less supported than with Sasuke.

The fact that that both Naruto and Sakura don't want to burden the other is what notably drives the plot between them. Whether they get together or not it is something that is meant to be addressed in order to have resolution between them. It might not be part of the main plot but that doesn't mean it's not an important bond.

Ah, it is an important bond. Just not the most important, or maybe not even so important than Naruto's bond with Jiraiya.

I really don't get why you use the manga movie special as proof of anything. That was just meant to be a parallel to another scene during the movie. That movie in which they do have proper interaction and understanding of each other.

Movie special is such a good example of what I see as a general trend in the manga. I haven't seen the movie so no idea how NS works out on it.

Just because he's that way with Sasuke doesn't diminish his care for Sakura.

It kind of does. Sasuke tries to kill Sakura, and who to does Naruto give a monologue about his feelings?

Naruto's selfless sacrifice is not about giving up, is about making Sakura happy even if that means his feelings get hurt at the moment.

In part I, Naruto never had a real chance with Sakura. She was not romantically interested in him at all. So Naruto is willing to bring back the man Sakura does want, that is very nice of him. But massive sacrifice? What does he sacrifice, his not-chance with Sakura, his dream of the children with Sakura that Sakura never wanted with him? Naruto does make a sacrifice in PoaL but there was not much to be sacrificed there.

[PhenixElite]

Lol, btw you guys, did you saw this?

Fake 616 page --Click here to view--

It's just me or it's a hell of a fake? Doesn't match Kishi's style.

Hahaha supersayajin hinata. Looks sooo bad.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Your replying to poison in your coffee post a few pages back. I told him the same thing and he hasn't reply to me saying I was wrong. Doubt he'll reply to you too.

I have to ask: what posts are these? I can't seem to find them. Sorry.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

And Sakura is not. Which results in Sakura being less important part of Naruto's life as she does not receive the same amount of attention from the manga/plot as Sasuke.


I can see Naruto valuing Iruka more than Shino. Sasuke is the most important one. The rest we can debate much more. Is Jiraiya more important than Iruka? Surely they are both more important to Naruto than TenTen and so on. Where is Sakura placed? Not above Sasuke, IMO. Does she place higher than Jiraiya? I don't think so, but this is less supported than with Sasuke.


Ah, it is an important bond. Just not the most important, or maybe not even so important than Naruto's bond with Jiraiya.

Is this serious?
Naruto and Sakura bond is one of the most important to Naruto, it's on almost the same level as Sasuke.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 January 2013 - 04:11 PM.

[Chatte]

Everyone knew about this was fake and the title says "goodbye Naruto" which means that she would die on this fake chapter.
Most of the latins support NS.

Hahaha supersayajin hinata. Looks sooo bad.

I found out eventually it was from DeviantArt.
But I did like Hinata there

Is this serious?
Naruto and Sakura bond is one of the most important to Naruto, it's on almost the same level as Sasuke.

I really have to second on this.
And since when the bonds are comparable for God's sake? :|

Edited by Chatte, 03 January 2013 - 04:12 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

I didn't take any arrogant attitude.

You did by declaring that NS moments "have romantic input" and by extension implied that I have to be in denial or biased to disagree, in here:

The NS moments do have romantic input no matter how you're looking at it.

If you think that NS moments are romantic, that is your opinion, of course. I have my own opinion on the matter: I disagree, suprise suprise. At this point we are still debating our interpretions.

[Chatte]

You did by declaring that NS moments "have romantic input" and by extension implied that I have to be in denial or biased to disagree, in here:



If you think that NS moments are romantic, that is your opinion, of course. I have my own opinion on the matter: I disagree, suprise suprise. At this point we are still debating our interpretions.

Once again, quoting only what you want, taking it out of context. Well, if that suits you, fine...

Edited by Chatte, 03 January 2013 - 04:13 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

And since when the bonds are comparable for God's sake? :|

Since forever, of course. Is TenTen as important to Naruto as Sakura?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

You did by declaring that NS moments "have romantic input" and by extension implied that I have to be in denial or biased to disagree, in here:



If you think that NS moments are romantic, that is your opinion, of course. I have my own opinion on the matter: I disagree, suprise suprise. At this point we are still debating our interpretions.

You disagree because you're in denial, you took Sakura's hug on Sasuke on the hospital as romantic while Sasuke didnt even hugged her back but then on part 2 when Sakura hugged Naruto it's not romantic, you have to choose between "In denial" or "hypocrisy".

You still have no points to sustain your claims, you're just biased you should not even discussing this here.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 January 2013 - 04:16 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

You disagree because you're in denial, you took Sakura's hug on Sasuke on the hospital as romantic while Sasuke didnt even hugged her back but then on part 2 when Sakura hugged Naruto it's not romantic, you have to choose between "In denial" or "hypocrisy".

This is arrogant.

you should not even discussing this here.

Once again: feel free to ignore me.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 03 January 2013 - 04:17 PM.

[Chatte]

Since forever, of course. Is TenTen as important to Naruto as Sakura?

No. You're taking it wrong.
It's like comparing deaths, which I saw on the fandom.
As a comrade from Konoha, yes, TenTen is important to Naruto as Sakura.
When feelings are involved, however, it's a different story.
However not comparable the way you do it.
By your logic, Jiraiya isn't that important because we haven't seen him lately, right?
Geez, I can't really believe you have that logic...

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

This is arrogant.

This is even more arrogant.
Calling out people being biased when you're doing such horrible statements.

Once again: feel free to ignore me.

I wish i could but i still i can see those horrible statements/fallacies/double standards based on nothing hurting my eyes.

And Sakura is not. Which results in Sakura being less important part of Naruto's life as she does not receive the same amount of attention from the manga/plot as Sasuke.

Just look at this, you're claiming that Sakura is the less important part of Naruto's life because she hanst show on a major spotlight for 50 chapters.
Sakura is the most important bond of Naruto after Sasuke, he did a lot of promises to her and so much things that i could write an entire page about this.

You're just contradicting yourself.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 January 2013 - 04:24 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

No. You're taking it wrong.
It's like comparing deaths, which I saw on the fandom.
As a comrade from Konoha, yes, TenTen is important to Naruto as Sakura.
When feelings are involved, however, it's a different story.
However not comparable the way you do it.
By your logic, Jiraiya isn't that important because we haven't seen him lately, right?
Geez, I can't really believe you have that logic...

Jiraiya was a huge influence on Naruto, the grandfather he never knew and we saw this in their interactions. I can any day go back to those chapters and read about the bond between Jiraiya and Naruto. In what chapter can I read about the bond between TenTen and Naruto? Have they ever even spoken to each other?

As for the bolded: no, that is not my argument at all. I am saying that the bond between Naruto and Sakura is not as important as Naruto's other bond with Sasuke. It is not because we haven't seen Naruto thinking about Sakura lately, it is because we have not seen Naruto thinking Sakura as much as he thinks Sasuke.

This is even more arrogant.
Calling out people being biased when you're doing such horrible statements.


I wish i could but i still i can see those horrible statements/fallacies/double standards based on nothing hurting my eyes.

Then take a break from the forum or go to some other topic. I have no wish to cause you serious physical injuries like eye damage.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 03 January 2013 - 04:24 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

This is even more arrogant.
Calling out people being biased when you're doing such horrible statements.


I wish i could but i still i can see those horrible statements/fallacies/double standards based on nothing hurting my eyes.

Thank GOD I'm not the only one to get a little annoyed by Coffee. XD For the most part, I just try to ignore him since he comes off a little antagonistical intentionally to try to troll though I may be reading too much into it.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Thank GOD I'm not the only one to get a little annoyed by Coffee. XD For the most part, I just try to ignore him since he comes off a little antagonistical intentionally to try to troll though I may be reading too much into it.

Her.

This is called a debate thread, you know. What did you think the word meant? Complete agreement on everything?

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 03 January 2013 - 04:26 PM.

[Chatte]

Jiraiya was a huge influence on Naruto, the grandfather he never knew and we saw this in their interactions. I can any day go back to those chapters and read about the bond between Jiraiya and Naruto. In what chapter can I read about the bond between TenTen and Naruto? Have they ever even spoken to each other?

As for the bolded: no, that is not my argument at all. I am saying that the bond between Naruto and Sakura is not as important as Naruto's other bond with Sasuke. It is not because we haven't seen Naruto thinking about Sakura lately, it is because we have not seen Naruto thinking Sakura as much as he thinks Sasuke.

Sakura was a huge influence in his life as well. She was the reason he wanted to become stronger, among others. If you can any day go back, so can I.
I know the bonds between the characters, however, I just used your logic in which you stated that the manga doesn't give the same attention, which, it also does with Jiraiya as well.
However, doesn't mean the bond is not there.

Tell me one thing, can you compare a bond let's say, between you and your mother and between you and your sister? (hypothetically speaking)

Could you call one more important than other?

Edited by Chatte, 03 January 2013 - 04:26 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Jiraiya was a huge influence on Naruto, the grandfather he never knew and we saw this in their interactions. I can any day go back to those chapters and read about the bond between Jiraiya and Naruto. In what chapter can I read about the bond between TenTen and Naruto? Have they ever even spoken to each other?

As for the bolded: no, that is not my argument at all. I am saying that the bond between Naruto and Sakura is not as important as Naruto's other bond with Sasuke. It is not because we haven't seen Naruto thinking about Sakura lately, it is because we have not seen Naruto thinking Sakura as much as he thinks Sasuke.

But still following your logic Naruto and Jiraya had less screentime than Naruto and Sakura you really have to decide on what you're trying say.
Are you sure about this? do we need to go back 3-4 chapters again?
Tell me which person Naruto talked first when the alliance arrived.

And most important Sasuke is a problem for Naruto ofc he must think.
but it's not 24/7.
He does not need to think about sakura because she's there.

Then take a break from the forum or go to some other topic. I have no wish to cause you serious physical injuries like eye damage.

So stop with the intentional unlogical fallacies.

Her.

This is called a debate thread, you know. What did you think the word meant? Complete agreement on everything?

Yes it's a debate thread but it does not mean that i should start doing fallacies and say "i disagree with you surprise surprise" if you have any points to sustain your claims so dont join a debate.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 January 2013 - 04:34 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Sakura was a huge influence in his life as well. She was the reason he wanted to become stronger, among others.

Was she really, though? Naruto did want to impress her, but the main reason for him to get stronger was to be acknowledged by everybody in the village, not just Sakura. Then he started to want to get stronger to protect all his friends, Sakura of course included and the village. Are there any other examples of Sakura influencing Naruto?

If you can any day go back, so can I.
I know the bonds between the characters, however, I just used your logic in which you stated that the manga doesn't give the same attention, which, it also does with Jiraiya as well.
However, doesn't mean the bond is not there.

Of course NS bond is there. It is just not as important than Naruto's bond with Sasuke. Nor is NS bond, IMO, more important than Naruto's bond with Jiraiya.

Tell me one thing, can you compare a bond let's say, between you and your mother and between you and your sister?

Could you call one more important than other?

Yes. Some of my family is more important to me than others. They are all important but some bonds are deeper. With Naruto, IMO, likewise.

[Chatte]

Was she really, though? Naruto did want to impress her, but the main reason for him to get stronger was to be acknowledged by everybody in the village, not just Sakura. Then he started to want to get stronger to protect all his friends, Sakura of course included and the village. Are there any other examples of Sakura influencing Naruto?


Of course NS bond is there. It is just not as important than Naruto's bond with Sasuke. Nor is NS bond, IMO, more important than Naruto's bond with Jiraiya.


Yes. Some of my family is more important to me than others. They are all important but some bonds are deeper. With Naruto, IMO, likewise.

1. I said among others. Sakura was clearly one of the main reasons, or else, Kishi wouldn't have done an emphasis on that. Actually, yes, among the other things, Sakura's drive was a resolve for him with Sasuke, back in the Kage Summit Arc.
2. Well, the fact that it's there doesn't make it any less important than the others... Sorry, but then you clearly misunderstood the whole bonds idea.
3. Well, then, I think then that's where we should stop debating as I have totally different views than you on bonds and importance of the dear ones...

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Was she really, though? Naruto did want to impress her, but the main reason for him to get stronger was to be acknowledged by everybody in the village, not just Sakura. Then he started to want to get stronger to protect all his friends, Sakura of course included and the village. Are there any other examples of Sakura influencing Naruto?

Being his love interest, making his have grow powers from nowhere.
Then we have a lot of examples of Naruto influencing Sakura the difference it's mutual.

Of course NS bond is there. It is just not as important than Naruto's bond with Sasuke. Nor is NS bond, IMO, more important than Naruto's bond with Jiraiya.

NS bond Naruto and his love interest, Naruto's bond with Sasuke = rivalry, Naruto's bond with Jiraiya = he was almost a father to him.

Which one is most important, none.
You're just saying that for him Sakura is not important as Sasuke which is a lie.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 January 2013 - 04:41 PM.