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#761 TheBerserkMoogle

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 08:02 PM

Well, no but the whole reason it's the forehead is because Sakura dislikes her forehead as Kushina disliked her hair.

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 06:21 PM

QUOTE (Uzumakikage @ Jul 14 2010, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Except Naruto is too shy, remember Sakura had to confess to him instead. happy.gif



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Anyways, remember, Naruto originally planned to confess to Sakura AFTER he brought Sasuke back home (chapter 457). The only reason he kept quiet was because he felt like he wasn't worthy enough (he couldn't fulfill the POAL). I'm betting that he will confess somewhere near the end of the manga and they will be together once it's all said and done. biggrin.gif

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 06:27 PM

I have to agree, I don't think Naruto is to embarrassed too admit his feelings to Sakura, it's just he thinks he's unworthy of Sakura's love because he's failed so many times in bringing back Sasuke.

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 08:31 PM

What i mean, is i likely see Sakura making the first move. happy.gif

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 11:08 PM

QUOTE (NarutoIzDaMan @ Jul 15 2010, 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyways, remember, Naruto originally planned to confess to Sakura AFTER he brought Sasuke back home (chapter 457). The only reason he kept quiet was because he felt like he wasn't worthy enough (he couldn't fulfill the POAL). I'm betting that he will confess somewhere near the end of the manga and they will be together once it's all said and done. biggrin.gif


Not so sure that's the case. It didn't sound like he was saying he would have told her if he brought Sasuke back; he was just giving his reason for why he felt like he couldn't.

I'mmuna guess that even if Naruto did manage to bring Sasuke back, he wouldn't have said anything to Sakura about his feelings as he figured he still didn't stand a chance with her (and perhaps didn't wanna "burden" her with the knowledge of his feelings).

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 03:17 AM

QUOTE (Kushina @ Jul 16 2010, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not so sure that's the case. It didn't sound like he was saying he would have told her if he brought Sasuke back; he was just giving his reason for why he felt like he couldn't.

I'mmuna guess that even if Naruto did manage to bring Sasuke back, he wouldn't have said anything to Sakura about his feelings as he figured he still didn't stand a chance with her (and perhaps didn't wanna "burden" her with the knowledge of his feelings).


I have to disagree, take a look at this page here - naruto chapter 457 Right after Sai asks Naruto whether he likes Sakura and asks him why he hasn't confessed/told her yet his reply is "How can I, I can't even keep my promises". The implication here is that he WANTS to tell her but can't because of the POAL. It's part of the reason why Sai told Sakura about Naruto's feelings for her in the first place. He wanted to help remove the burden that the POAL caused Naruto. Short term it looked bad that Sakura learned about Naruto's true feelings for her in the manner that she did, but long term it's a good thing. Why? cuz now she can make a more informative decision about which guy is actually worth pursuing in the end.

As for Naruto not saying anything even if he brought Sasuke back, hmm..... I don't think so. There really wouldn't be any burdens there because Sakura would be able to make her decision in a comfortable environment (unlike during the whole Kage Summit Arc). Sakura's "confession" to Naruto is EXACTLY the reason why he didn't want to tell her about his feelings for her until after he brought Sasuke back home safe and sound. Anyways, like I said, the important thing is that Sakura now knows how Naruto really feels about her (he TRULY loves her) and she knows how Sasuke feels about her (he wants to kill her and doesn't give a damn about her happy.gif). She shouldn't have anymore doubts about who she wants to pursue romantically anymore, especially after her brief "reunion" with Sasuke. Until then we're just gonna have to wait and see what happens. Narusaku FTW!!!! biggrin.gif

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 04:44 AM

QUOTE (NarutoIzDaMan @ Jul 15 2010, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have to disagree, take a look at this page here - naruto chapter 457 Right after Sai asks Naruto whether he likes Sakura and asks him why he hasn't confessed/told her yet his reply is "How can I, I can't even keep my promises". The implication here is that he WANTS to tell her but can't because of the POAL. It's part of the reason why Sai told Sakura about Naruto's feelings for her in the first place. He wanted to help remove the burden that the POAL caused Naruto. Short term it looked bad that Sakura learned about Naruto's true feelings for her in the manner that she did, but long term it's a good thing. Why? cuz now she can make a more informative decision about which guy is actually worth pursuing in the end.

As for Naruto not saying anything even if he brought Sasuke back, hmm..... I don't think so. There really wouldn't be any burdens there because Sakura would be able to make her decision in a comfortable environment (unlike during the whole Kage Summit Arc). Sakura's "confession" to Naruto is EXACTLY the reason why he didn't want to tell her about his feelings for her until after he brought Sasuke back home safe and sound. Anyways, like I said, the important thing is that Sakura now knows how Naruto really feels about her (he TRULY loves her) and she knows how Sasuke feels about her (he wants to kill her and doesn't give a damn about her happy.gif). She shouldn't have anymore doubts about who she wants to pursue romantically anymore, especially after her brief "reunion" with Sasuke. Until then we're just gonna have to wait and see what happens. Narusaku FTW!!!! biggrin.gif



See, it just doesn't seem that clear to me that that's what he meant. Sai asked if he'd told her how he felt, Naruto said he couldn't because he hadn't been able to keep his promise. It doesn't tell us one way or another whether that means he's holding back until after he fulfills the promise or not--it just tells us that it's a reason for why he hasn't yet.

But the way he reacted to her confession to him, as well as to the idea that Sakura might try to kill Sasuke herself (he continuously insisted that she couldn't/wouldn't because she loved Sasuke) seems to imply that in his mind she'll remain off-limits because her feelings for Sasuke won't change. When he originally made the POAL he seemed to resign himself to the idea that Sakura loved Sasuke, and in making the promise checked himself out of the running.

*shrug* Total speculation at this point, but it's always seemed like Naruto himself would be a big roadblock for their relationship as he's never considered that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke might change. Obviously those feelings have changed (at least enough that Naruto has a chance now), but it'll be up to Sakura to finally convince Naruto of that.

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 03:21 PM

QUOTE (Kushina @ Jul 15 2010, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
See, it just doesn't seem that clear to me that that's what he meant. Sai asked if he'd told her how he felt, Naruto said he couldn't because he hadn't been able to keep his promise. It doesn't tell us one way or another whether that means he's holding back until after he fulfills the promise or not--it just tells us that it's a reason for why he hasn't yet.


I'm siding with "Kushina". Naruto giving a reason why he doesn't confess, does not mean he will confess once that particular reason is gone. (He may start creating other reasons, to avoid the fear of opening up his feelings.)

The recent chapters, --Click here to view--
meeting his parents and finding out their history,
will help a lot. He has dropped a lot of emotional baggage, and it may encourage him to be curious what a healthy relationship is like.

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 03:52 PM

i am with RedDelicious
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meeting his parents and finding out their history)will help alot

and also knowing his mother and his father story love and knowing how kushina loved minato .i think that will also make him confess his feelings to sakura and aslo true what he did a long time ago in the bench scene and tell her that he was him not sasuke

Edited by ahmed, 16 July 2010 - 03:59 PM.


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Posted 16 July 2010 - 05:43 PM

QUOTE (Kushina @ Jul 16 2010, 12:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But the way he reacted to her confession to him, as well as to the idea that Sakura might try to kill Sasuke herself (he continuously insisted that she couldn't/wouldn't because she loved Sasuke) seems to imply that in his mind she'll remain off-limits because her feelings for Sasuke won't change. When he originally made the POAL he seemed to resign himself to the idea that Sakura loved Sasuke, and in making the promise checked himself out of the running.


Might just be my imagination, but during some flashback when Sai asks Naruto why he hasn't told Sakura of his feelings yet he says something like "how can I if I can't even keep my promise to her?" although he probably says that mostly out of guilt, it kinda seems like he's protecting himself as well.....like he doesn't want to start a relationship with her, then when Sasuke comes back, find out that she still has feelings for him....

Something's been kinda nagging at me, so I went back and reread 474, and noticed that Sai claims that Sakura loves Naruto (exact quote from OM: "She thought she'd lesson your burden by giving up on Sasuke and confessing her love for you") but then a few pages later, is saying that Sasuke is "The one she loves" huh.gif is this just bad wording on the translator's part? I mean, I know it's possible to love more than one person, but the way it's being said here it's like "Sakura loves Naruto" then "Sakura only loves Sasuke"

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 05:57 PM

Don't trust 474 it was the most controversial chapter in the history of the manga and in the pairing wars, I don't care what anyone says they messed up the translations I want to read it officially translated by VIZ.
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Posted 16 July 2010 - 07:04 PM

the viz trans says sakura love of sasuke was in the past


(because she loved sasuke she wants to kill him)

ciardha pointed its in the raw as well as well as it follows the kish interview

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 08:12 PM

QUOTE (New Revolution @ Jul 16 2010, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the viz trans says sakura love of sasuke was in the past


(because she loved sasuke she wants to kill him)

ciardha pointed its in the raw as well as well as it follows the kish interview


facepalm.png You're STILL using THIS arguement after everything we talked about?

Edited by Insurrection, 16 July 2010 - 08:19 PM.


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Posted 16 July 2010 - 08:35 PM

Look at it this way guys, all that "junk" about Sakura loving Sasuke doesn't mean kitten anymore because the Sasuke that she supposedly "loves" is the OLD Sasuke - the cool and popular 13-year old BOY Sasuke, but he no longer exists nor will he ever exist again even if he is brought back to the "light" by Naruto. Everything has changed including Sakura herself. She is no longer the same spoiled 13 year old Sasuke obsessed brat she once was. She herself admitted that she has "grown apart from Sasuke" and instead has grown closer to Naruto. Naruto is the only man who can,will, and has proven to make Sakura feel safe, secure, happy, etc. and she knows it and is now fully aware of it.

Sakura's wonderful and perfect image of Sasuke is now completely tarnished. She will never look at him the same way (romantically) ever again. I mean really, can any of you ever imagine being intimate (romantic) with the person that tried to put a hole through your head and tried to slit your throat EVER again? I sure as hell couldn't, the image of them trying to kill me would instantly freak me out and I would hope Sakura feels the same way now. She will always care for Sasuke just like Naruto and Kakashi but a romantic future with Sasuke is completely out of the question. It wasn't entirely unrealistic for her to still have some romantic feelings BEFORE he tried to kill her cuz she still had some doubts, but now she can't be delusional anymore. I believe that she has truly learned her lesson(s) after the whole Kage Summit arc....but we're still gonna have to wait and see what she does next. As of right now Narusaku is still in the driver's seat. yes.gif

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 08:42 PM

QUOTE (NarutoIzDaMan @ Jul 16 2010, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Look at it this way guys, all that "junk" about Sakura loving Sasuke doesn't mean kitten anymore because the Sasuke that she supposedly "loves" is the OLD Sasuke - the cool and popular 13-year old BOY Sasuke, but he no longer exists nor will he ever exist again even if he is brought back to the "light" by Naruto. Everything has changed including Sakura herself. She is no longer the same spoiled 13 year old Sasuke obsessed brat she once was. She herself admitted that she has "grown apart from Sasuke" and instead has grown closer to Naruto. Naruto is the only man who can,will, and has proven to make Sakura feel safe, secure, happy, etc. and she knows it and is now fully aware of it.

Sakura's wonderful and perfect image of Sasuke is now completely tarnished. She will never look at him the same way (romantically) ever again. I mean really, can any of you ever imagine being intimate (romantic) with the person that tried to put a hole through your head and tried to slit your throat EVER again? I sure as hell couldn't, the image of them trying to kill me would instantly freak me out and I would hope Sakura feels the same way now. She will always care for Sasuke just like Naruto and Kakashi but a romantic future with Sasuke is completely out of the question. It wasn't entirely unrealistic for her to still have some romantic feelings BEFORE he tried to kill her cuz she still had some doubts, but now she can't be delusional anymore. I believe that she has truly learned her lesson(s) after the whole Kage Summit arc....but we're still gonna have to wait and see what she does next. As of right now Narusaku is still in the driver's seat. yes.gif


wow........ good said smile.gif ......i agree with you

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 09:17 PM

QUOTE (ciardha @ Jul 12 2010, 05:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You made the points quite well. smile.gif

There is debating, and there is going in circles with people who are determined to hold onto an overly negatively image of Sakura, despite what Kishimoto writes in the manga and says in interviews. I've been in too many fandoms over the years and seen the same thing crop up- especially directed at a main female character if she is a realistic strong willed but intensely compassionate type like Sakura.

I did see the raw text when it was in spoiler format (one of the last chapters we got raw spoilers for, sadly) and it agreed with Viz's past tense when it comes to her feelings for Sasuke, present tense when Sakura's feelings for Naruto. Also one of our other forum members asked a Japanese friend who only has minor interest in Naruto and that person also stated Sai refers to Sakura's romantic feelings for Sasuke in the past tense, Naruto in the present tense.

I'm not much interested in endless circular arguments, they are a waste of time. When it comes to Sakura this thread goes into endless circular arguments, and I'm past my tolerance level. At this point I don't really care if some people cling to their overly negative images of Sakura- it doesn't have any impact on the far more positive canon Sakura Kishimoto is writing and speaks of in interviews.


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Posted 16 July 2010 - 10:43 PM

I do agree with ciardha too many people have a negative image of Sakura. I will trust her judgement and not just her but I also believe that Kishi has developed Sakura's character positively and not negative I have trust him so far and I will continue trust on him.
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Posted 16 July 2010 - 11:00 PM

I know what you mean Gravenimage, I'm tired of all the hate Sakura gets, it's not her fault she's like that, it's the way the character is made by the author and no one else.

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 11:15 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Jul 16 2010, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I do agree with ciardha too many people have a negative image of Sakura. I will trust her judgement and not just her but I also believe that Kishi has developed Sakura's character positively and not negative I have trust him so far and I will continue trust on him.


Tch!! please, one good fight with Sasori and that was the only time she had to shine. Kishi has always lacked in good female development except for Kushina, Tsunade, and Mei. I know Sakura's a medical ninja and taking care of the wounded is their first priority but still Kishi is having her almost always losing in the fighting development. Tsunade or another teacher needs to train Sakura more but I'm not certain that will happen.

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 11:32 PM

QUOTE (Uzumakikage @ Jul 16 2010, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Tch!! please, one good fight with Sasori and that was the only time she had to shine. Kishi has always lacked in good female development except for Kushina, Tsunade, and Mei. I know Sakura's a medical ninja and taking care of the wounded is their first priority but still Kishi is having her almost always losing in the fighting development. Tsunade or another teacher needs to train Sakura more but I'm not certain that will happen.


Maybe that's how Kishi means to show her development though: by emphasizing her medical skills more than her actual fighting skills, he pronounces the fact that Sakura's come a long way from being the selfish little girl that looked to be protected and has matured into a young woman focused on protecting those around her through healing.

By giving her the super-strength--and having her kick Sasori's ass--he shows us that yes, she has developed enough skill on her own to handle physical fights, but I'm not sure it's such a bad thing that he hasn't often exploited those skills so far (aside from being for the sake of humor).

Being a strong character doesn't always stem from being physically strong--or proving it often--and the fact that she's female doesn't change that. She proves herself useful at times, and remains vital to the story in her own way without constantly whooping ass. *shrug*




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