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[manbeast101]

I see what you are saying, but I was stating my own opinion.

 

But I don't want to argue with people is all, because that can get nasty.

Edited by manbeast101, 17 May 2014 - 12:08 AM.

[redrose3443]

I see what you are saying, but I was stating my own opinion.

 

But I don't want to argue with people is all, because that can get nasty.

That's fine, I don't want to argue either.

[manbeast101]

That is a relief, I am glad that we understand, and can be reasonable.

[James S Cassidy]

In other words, you concede it was shown.

 

I concede that until something was actually shown AFTER he gained a massive power boost thanks to the Sage of Six Paths due to the reincarnation reasoning, that YOU hate by the way, Sasuke's maximum potential was only spoken by word. By show, Sasuke failed more times than he succeeded and in fact has shown to succeed either due to a technicality or he "borrowed" power from another source.

 

Granted Naruto borrows power from the Nine-Tails chakra, but Naruto has shown powers, sans Nine-tails, that far exceed anything Sasuke has ever done on his own merits

 

Prior to Naruto and Sasuke gaining those powers due to their reincarnation, Sasuke showed powers that frailed in comparison to Itachi's.

 

Completely irrelevant to the point I made. This isn't about their relative strengths. It's about Kishimoto's writing and how is demonstrating surpass their teacher.

I spoke to nothing else in the quoted material.

 

And Sakura HAS shown to be more powerful than Tsunade. She is that young and displayed powers that were not inherited like Naruto's and Sasuke's were. She doesn't come from a distinct clan and yet she has shown to be super powerful. She never inherited anything for free and work for every bit of strength she has. (In that case, Sakura is more powerful because she trained and earned all the strength she has gained.)

Meanwhile, you and Dark are comparing her power to all the times she failed against Madara who is basically the equivalent to a juicer and has been jacked up with everything he could possibly be jacked up with. Who has gained some powers only because he used Hashirama's DNA implanted inside of him and used the tailed beasts.

 

You want to compare how powerful they are compared to their teachers and yet you base Sakura's power all on the fact that she failed to even lay a touch on Madara?

Edited by James S Cassidy, 17 May 2014 - 12:57 AM.

[manbeast101]

Please try not to get out of hand with your posts, try to stay reasonable is all I ask. Not trying to offend anyone, and if I come off that way, I deeply apologize.

[FireFox]

I'm sorry but how do people expect Sakura to move get herself out when she is impaled on a black paralyzing rod plus floating in the air ? The fact that she was able to trow a punch after she got stabbed with that rod  that even paralyzed Hashirama and Tobirama immediately is more than impressive . Why does nobody acknowledges this ?

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 17 May 2014 - 12:25 AM.

[manbeast101]

Even I didn't think of that one, Kudos to you.

Edited by manbeast101, 17 May 2014 - 12:27 AM.

[redrose3443]

I must have skipped over the fact that those rods paralyze people.

[manbeast101]

I did too, but then again, I am not the greatest at observing all the small details like that.^^

[Shadow Wolf]

OK, what is it with these arguments about Sakura being weak when compared to Naruto and Sasuke. You're actually comparing a normal girl who has had to pretty much do the best she could with normal potential to two guys with hereditary powers? Are you kidding me?

OK, think for a moment. Who has done anything against Madara? The kages? nope. Guy? Maybe, but he (Madara) is still standing. Sasuke by slicing him in half? Well, he somehow pulled himself together again like nothing happened. Who has done anything against Madara, honestly? And you expect Sakura to do what no one else has done so far? Isn't that too much to ask?

Anyway, next point. Surpassing their mentors... Healing abilities are not needed for discussion, since keeping the whole alliance healed is enough for that. And before anybody starts speaking about Naruto, I have three points for you to think about:

1-We're talking about surpassing the old gen, so in this case, we're comparing Sakura and Tsunade. I already stated my point with the comparison of Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke above.

2-The point of Guy being stopped from dying: what the hell could Sakura have done to stop Guy from dying? Provide me a theory on how Guy could have been kept alive with medical ninjutsu before comparing her to the miracle that Naruto did.

3-Restoring Kakashi's eye: same as #2. In fact, which medic in real life has actually created an eye?

Now then, with that settled, think of the following: Now that Sakura has finally shown that she can actually use Byakugou just like Tsunade, guess what Madara did: fly away. So what can she do at the moment? Fight invisible clones being currently busy with Naruto? No wait, let's have her do a miracke jump and blow up the moon. Maybe that would make her get recognized by her teammates and by an enemy who's pretty much a god.

Now, yes, I do admit that Kishi has not been the best at Handling Sakura, let alone a single female character, but what can she do at the moment to demonstrate that she has surpassed Tsunade in terms of raw power? Break the ground and hope that invisible limbo Madaras fall?

Heck, let me throw this point into the table: If we were to give Sakura any of the powers that either Naruto or Sasuke have, considering her near perfect chakra control, how much could she could achieve? But of course, we're talking about a normal girl who is currently trying to create a strategy that would have worked if Madara was in possession of a single limbo, which was imprisoned by Naruto btw, so that would've been no limbo clones normally.

And before anybody brings the reckless argument, do know that out of them three, Sakura was the only one to survive after being reckless because as far as I remember, both Naruto and Sasuke died when trying to attack Madara. Oh, and Sasuke got stabbed and died while she did not.

So, what do you want?

Oh, and Darkrest, are you even reading Naruto? Let me see... Sasuke lost against Haku, againt Oro in the exams, Gaara gave Sasuke a beating... Itachi gave him a single blow and he landed on a wall... Deidara almost killed him if it wasn't for that miracle summon, and he has never lost?

Edited by Shadow Wolf, 17 May 2014 - 12:49 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

Sasuke never lose a single fight on the manga, sure it had downsides and upsides like any fight.

 

Wrong.

Sasuke loses

-Haku. Naruto had to defeat him

-Orochimaru. Failed the first time they met.

-Itachi. Arguable only "won" because Itachi was dying and dropped dead at the end. Itachi was far stronger than Sasuke and even showcased even more power when they fought Kabuto.

-Killer Bee. Not only lost, but was tricked

-Gaara. Lost and Naruto had to beat him.

-Madara. Lost big time and practically died from it.

-Kabuto. Would have lost if not for Itachi.

 

Battles Sasuke has actually won

-Naruto

-Yoroi Akadō

-Danzo

-Deidara. Although I am a bit iffy about this one considering the entire victory was a huge asspull and Deidara self-destructed.

-Orochimaru. Again, I could argue it because he was sick in bed and Sasuke took advantage of that. Even still he survived and Itachi has to beat him.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 17 May 2014 - 12:50 AM.

[FireFox]

I must have skipped over the fact that those rods paralyze people.

 

Madara's are even worse since they negate ninjutsu attacks.

 

[manbeast101]

Agree with James,

 

Like I said, Sasuke never actually beat any body at full strength, all opponents he "beat" were as I said, already weakened or injured when he fought them.

 

But again, not trying to argue, just stating my opinion is all.

 

Also agree with redrose3443 and NarutoFireFoxUzumaki.

Edited by manbeast101, 17 May 2014 - 01:12 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I concede that until something was actually shown AFTER he gained a massive power boost thanks to the Sage of Six Paths due to the reincarnation reasoning, that YOU hate by the way, Sasuke's maximum potential was only spoken by word. By show, Sasuke failed more times than he succeeded and in fact has shown to succeed either due to a technicality or he "borrowed" power from another source.
 
Granted Naruto borrows power from the Nine-Tails chakra, but Naruto has shown powers, sans Nine-tails, that far exceed anything Sasuke has ever done on his own merits
 
Prior to Naruto and Sasuke gaining those powers due to their reincarnation, Sasuke showed powers that frailed in comparison to Itachi's.

Yet still miss the point.
What about Sakura's powers i dont see her showing anything that makes her superior to Tsunade, i'm not comparing her to Naruto neither Sasuke but things she managed to do on the arc, she only was emphasized was her healing powers which were the same as Tsunade, as for her strenght, only managed to destroy random enemies and to try to punch Madara on which failed.
Tsunade had failed too but the point is it wasnt shown doing anything that we can say she surpassed Tsunade.
 

And Sakura HAS shown to be more powerful than Tsunade. She is that young and displayed powers that were not inherited like Naruto's and Sasuke's were. She doesn't come from a distinct clan and yet she has shown to be super powerful. She never inherited anything for free and work for every bit of strength she has. (In that case, Sakura is more powerful because she trained and earned all the strength she has gained.)

Were was shown her being stronger than Tsunade?
I've seen Sakura destroying a bunch of Juubi's minions while Tsunade smashed Madara and his Susano'o armor.
 

Meanwhile, you and Dark are comparing her power to all the times she failed against Madara who is basically the equivalent to a juicer and has been jacked up with everything he could possibly be jacked up with. Who has gained some powers only because he used Hashirama's DNA implanted inside of him and used the tailed beasts.

I'm not using Madara as a point of her power, the problem is that she doesnt have displays of power other than attacking fodders and going to the background later, Sakura doesnt fight how Kishi can show us how she's stronger than Tsunade?
When i see Tsunade fighting against Madara breaking Susano'o, and Sakura destroying Juubi's minions?
 

You want to compare how powerful they are compared to their teachers and yet you base Sakura's power all on the fact that she failed to even lay a touch on Madara?

You probably didnt read my posts, i didnt just talked about Madara, she didnt fought on this arc literally only showed glimpses of strenght against meek targets.
 

OK, what is it with these arguments about Sakura being weak when compared to Naruto and Sasuke. You're actually comparing a normal girl who has had to pretty much do the best she could with normal potential to two guys with hereditary powers? Are you kidding me?

No one here is retarded enough to compare Sakura to Naruto and Sasuke in terms of power.
We talked about surpassing teachers, Kishi showed us how Naruto and Sasuke surpassed their masters, Kishi hasnt show Sakura surpassing Tsunade, looking at the manga i dont see it.
I've seen Tsunade fighting against Madara, despite losing she smashed susano'o and had put up to some fight but what about Sakura?
Smash some juubi's minions, punch a random zetsu...
Then later emphasizes her healing powers, summoning Katsuyu and etc..., nothing different or superior than what Tsunade was capable off.
 

Wrong.

Sasuke loses
-Haku. Naruto had to defeat him
-Orochimaru. Failed the first time they met.
-Itachi. Arguable only "won" because Itachi was dying and dropped dead at the end. Itachi was far stronger than Sasuke and even showcased even more power when they fought Kabuto.
-Killer Bee. Not only lost, but was tricked
-Gaara. Lost and Naruto had to beat him.
-Madara. Lost big time and practically died from it.

Fallacy.

-Haku, Neither Naruto or Sasuke won, Haku sacrificed to protect Zabuza.
- Orochimaru, Naruto was knocked off and Sasuke had like 12 years, yeah the guy who killed the sandaime.
- Itachi, I expressed Itachi was stronger than him but the point he hasnt lose and at that time he was stronger than any of the k11 and was stronger than Kakashi still stands, he literally owned Kakashi during the summit.
-Killer Bee, indeed he lost but whom could put up a fight against Bee, except for Kisame?
-Gaara. Yep, he lost but yet Naruto lost to him later during the valley of the end.
- Madara, Fight hasnt ended and if we can say he lost then we can argue the same for Naruto who got owned with one jutsu.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 17 May 2014 - 01:22 AM.

[Gravenimage]

Looks like the debate is on between James and Dark. My money's on James go James!

[redrose3443]

This is like deja vu from last week.

[FireFox]

Even the Naruto vs Sasuke  fight at the Vote was downplayed  so Sasuke can "WIN" 

 

1. Naruto didn't summon Gamabunta and he could and that would have been GAME OVER for Sasuke

 

2. Naruto didn't went with the intent to strike Sasuke with the Rasengan he went with the intent to scratch his "Headband" so he can WON the bet which he DID  if Naruto went with full force i don't think Sasuke would have been able to stand straight up or be conscious for that matter.      

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 17 May 2014 - 01:42 AM.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

That's pretty much how I see it. Even if sasuke and Naruto fail, they still had many moments where they succeeded that make up for it, plus they keep going at it. Sakura has had little to none of these moments and when she tries to do something, Kishi makes her fail then gets her out of the way for the boys. That's why people can still accept the fact that naruto and Sasuke are strong, they have proven it many times, where as Sakura has only proven it once.

 

That has more to do that she has another role other than fighting.  All the boys can do is fight, and Kishimoto has to keep them in the front of the battle, where they are needed to be.  Anyway, those moments, where Sakura fails fighting-wise, happen too many times to be called coincidence.  I'm pretty sure Kishimoto purposely had them made.  It's part of a build-up for a resolution that's still in the future.  This current situation is one time where Sakura can't be put in the background.  Kishimoto specifically put her in this battle, along with Naruto and Sasuke.  Also, in the latest chapter, Madara had a flashback of Tsunade stating the rule about one with the Byakugou is able to ignore the previous rules of a medic nin.  Madara thought that.  Even though he noted the same regeneration, he thought of this instead of plenty of other instances.  Again, Kishimoto is using certain panels to specifically address the readers.  Sakura is here for a reason, and won't be relegated to background status.  Kishimoto is trying to tell his audience this.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 17 May 2014 - 01:39 AM.

[rocci]

Naruto & sasuke > sakura since part one.
This manga doesn't use the boss, sub boss, henchmen system like onepiece or bleach, thus only select few character that get fight scene.

Sakura will gain ssm, genjutsu, and probably an elemental ninjutsu. Since she will get a fight in the next arc. That's why I don't understand why sakura need a big power up in this arc. Sakura achievement for me is remarkable since she's just an ordinary girl.

[FireFox]

Looks like the debate is on between James and Dark. My money's on James go James!

Same here Should we grab some pop-corns