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[PhenixElite]

Excuse me, but how is that I am insulting Kishi? By saying that with Sakura, overall, he didn't do such a great thing when he, himself, realized it when he said "but she's become such a character", meaning, he finally understood that he didn't do a good job with her?

And how is a critic an insult? I fail to see it. As far as I know writers, movies, anything... got to be that famous because critics were there to point out wrongs. That's why the criticism exists! That's why people do reviews on different things.

Sorry if I am that reader that won't be satisfied like a dog getting thrown a bone. OR however the expression was.

Really now, agreeing with all that Kishi does, ass-kissing him (not saying you do, overall speaking), excuse my language, please... it's like, insulting my own intelligence.

I agree that on other aspects he has done a great job but with Sakura, he failed most of the times.

And I am talking from the heroine-stand point. Not from NS stand-point.

If he failed so hard with sakura, how come shes your favourite character? Dont you see it as insulting kishi when your stating that hes doing bad writing in every post? So hes a bad writer because hes didnt gave sakura that much screentime since the alliance returned? How can you say that, you dont even know what hes planing with her. Last chapter everything seemed ok and he made that art with naruto and sakura as heroes and now after a chapter without sakura in it its just all forgotten ? Just intresting how you guys view things dont you agree?

[Chatte]

I agree that Kishi has really messed up on Sakura character, but we have to remember that he's guilty of doing this with the hero of the story as well. We all know that the manga Naruto is notorious for constantly leaving out the main character. It's not a surprise to me that he's yet again guilty of doing that to the story's heroin as well.

The hero is the hero, he gets the sins wiped because he has those cool visually appealing jutsu and in the end beats the bad guy. But with the heroine is actually harder since you always keep her in the back.

Look at a good point that someone has said:

I don't hate on her for not being equal to a uchia or an uzumaki but i do expect my main characters to be relevant.

Is that too much to ask ?

Is it that hard for someone who claims to be behind naruto 100 percent to actually get up off her ass and help him ?

He had two major battles where his whole ideology was about to be utterly crushed.Can she at least support him emotionally ?

No ?

screw that chick then

Leaving his last sentence aside, he is right.
2 major emotional paths for Naruto. Where is Sakura?
In the back.
As much as I hate it, he is right!
When Naruto's beliefs were crumbled, you would've expected the heroine to be there and support him, give him faith, like she did in part 1 with Kiba fight, so on and so forth.
Yet, In part 2, this was given to Hinata. Well... no wonder she is disliked and not considered a main character/heroine.

If he failed so hard with sakura, how come shes your favourite character? Dont you see it as insulting kishi when your stating that hes doing bad writing in every post? So hes a bad writer because hes didnt gave sakura that much screentime since the alliance returned? How can you say that, you dont even know what hes planing with her. Last chapter everything seemed ok and he made that art with naruto and sakura as heroes and now after a chapter without sakura in it its just all forgotten ? Just intresting how you guys view things dont you agree?

Didn't I made it pretty clear why he failed and why she is my favorite character? Having 1/2 fans that like her, isn't going to make her a successful character overall. I like her for some things, however, I am sick of that Sasuke-Sasuke things, even if I understand what's the purpose behind it. And if I have a character as a favorite, that doesn't mean I shouldn't criticize the author.
No, I don't see it as insult, I see it as criticism. And I think I pretty much said it isn't ONLY about the Alliance, it is about the OVERALL Sakura. You seem to have missed this. It's not the first time when I criticize this. It isn't about this chapter. At 615 I wasn't even flinched with Hinata holding hand, I was with Sakura's lack of response and support to the hero. And so many other chapters.
So, no, I don't agree with you.
Tell me last time since you've seen some heroic action, but I mean really heroic, as in Sasori battle? When was it? Right, Sasori battle. Every other battles since then, she's always been put in the back. Always!
Punching things here and there while other character outshine her isn't going to make it any better.
So, excuse me once again, for having legit reasons to be disappointed about his way with her character even though she's my favorite.

Edited by Chatte, 24 January 2013 - 08:42 PM.

[luffyq1]

Im just wondering, if you already gave up and just insult kishi for bad writing, why are you writing it again and again in this thread? I think you already said it about 50 times

You guys are the worrier kinds right?

Writing it over and over again? I think it goes for both sides, really.

You have people posting with the optimistic stand point. And you have other people calling out the blatant inconsistencies of her character that led them to the conclusion to not expect much from Kishi.

You guys are the optimistic kind, right?

[swagosaurus]

Watch Sakura end up punching the Jubi.

Oh lawd. I had a feeling, way back in 611, that it would happen, but this chapter only reaffirmed my prediction. The whole idea of Naruto/Kyuubi's chakra enhancing someone's personal abilities was blatant foreshadowing for something, and given Kakashi's random talk about the Kamui and Sakura's obvious absence...holy.

Edited by swagosaurus, 24 January 2013 - 08:41 PM.

[PhenixElite]

Writing it over and over again? I think it goes for both sides, really.

You have people posting with the optimistic stand point. And you have other people calling out the blatant inconsistencies of her character that led them to the conclusion to not expect much from Kishi.

You guys are the optimistic kind, right?

Now question yourself why we are doing that. Because if we didnt do, this would get a forum full of negativ views insults and flaming. Its becoming very monotone.
All i can say is chapter 615. Whining all around the thread and as soon as we get the next chapter everyone is happy and full of faith again. Now its all starting from the beginning. Whats the use of your negative view here?
Making your life hard? I just cant stand coming on that forum seeing only comments like how kishi messed up with her character and how her character is not repairable anymore and how hinata is the heroine right now.
I mean seriously whats the sense in that?

@chatte: Its ok if you need to believe that kishi failed with sakura and that hes a bad wirter, but i still dont see a reason to say it again and again in every post. Also i ask why do a heroine needs to have fighting moments and all that, important is that she has the most screentime after naruto during the whole manga. Ive never seen that sakura got outshined during the manga, till maybe chapter 615 what was just side character development so i see no problem to it. I hope you know sakura still has a lot of development incoming, dont you think it will outshine hinata again? FACT IS HINATA IS A SIDECHARACTER, SAKURA IS A MAIN CHARACTER!

Edited by PhenixElite, 24 January 2013 - 08:53 PM.

[Chatte]

I just cant stand coming on that forum seeing only comments like how kishi messed up with her character and how her character is not repairable anymore and how hinata is the heroine right now.
I mean seriously whats the sense in that?

But lying ourselves that everything is nice and pink won't help either. Not wanting to hear critical opinions, only the better ones it's like... how should I say it? We're running from the reality.
It's like Naruto wanting to go to Obito for the Infinite Tsukuyomi so he won't acknowledge the harsh reality that Neji was dead.
Same here. Wanting to hear only good opinions, not criticism, so we don't acknowledge that Kishi didn't do such a great job and hide ourselves after only positive opinions and hopes.

Edited by Chatte, 24 January 2013 - 08:50 PM.

[Qia]

Watch Sakura end up punching the Jubi.

Oh lawd. I had a feeling, way back in 611, that it would happen, but this chapter only reaffirmed my prediction. The whole idea of Naruto/Kyuubi's chakra enhancing someone's personal abilities was blatant foreshadowing for something, and given Kakashi's random talk about the Kamui and Sakura's obvious absence...holy.

Naa she's just going to sit back and be a good little medic ninja. The possibility of Tsunade's 4th rule being applied to her? Forget it. I mean...why bother expecting anything great from her anymore? Kishi has forgotten about her, and we shouldn't expect anything great. Even though she's been shown in little moments since the alliance got here, that doesn't matter. She's completely gone now. Doesn't exist. So we might as well keep talking about how poorly Kishi has written her character and nothing else. There's no reason to hope for her doing much because she's missed an opportunity to support Naruto for once after his shock over Neji's death. I mean, it took Kurama reminding him about the parents that not a lot of people know that he has to really get him through that. So yea.

Edited by Qia, 24 January 2013 - 08:56 PM.

[六道仙人]

As for me, I don't consider myself at all optimistic. Only that I'm very patient and I prefer to wait until the end of this battle for giving a definite opnion... I don't deny that I'm a bit upset but for now I don't still want to jump to conclusions.

[luffyq1]

Now question yourself why we are doing that. Because if we didnt do, this would get a forum full of negativ views insults and flaming. Its becoming very monotone.
All i can say is chapter 615. Whining all around the thread and as soon as we get the next chapter everyone is happy and full of faith again. Now its all starting from the beginning. Whats the use of your negative view here?
Making your life hard? I just cant stand coming on that forum seeing only comments like how kishi messed up with her character and how her character is not repairable anymore and how hinata is the heroine right now.
I mean seriously whats the sense in that?

Negativity? That's certainly not the way I see it. I see it as being realistic. I see it as witnessing past events in this manga and presenting them on this site to back up our arguments because I'm not going to give myself false hopes into believeing something that clearly contradicts it. Why do you think you have people saying don't give your hopes up, or on NF it's "keep expectations low".

I don't think Hinata is the heroine. Cleary Sakura has been established as the heroine. But right now Hinata is being more of a heroine, and doing better at it imo.

Making my life hard? Damn, didn't think about it like that. lol

[PhenixElite]

But lying ourselves that everything is nice and pink won't help either. Not wanting to hear critical opinions, only the better ones it's like... how should I say it? We're running from the reality.
It's like Naruto wanting to go to Obito for the Infinite Tsukuyomi so he won't acknowledge the harsh reality that Neji was dead.
Same here. Wanting to hear only good opinions, not criticism, so we don't acknowledge that Kishi didn't do such a great job and hide ourselves after only positive opinions and hopes.

How can you say that nothing is great you dont even know it yet. I remeber you saying in chapter 616 thread that the colour spread showed you that sakura will have a big moment. Did you really expect that happening in this chapter? Or were that just empty words from you?

Also its ok if you think that sakuras character is not repairable anymore and that kishi is a bad writer, but why say it again in every post?

I also didnt know that a heroine needs to have fights the whole time, important is that shes got a lot of screentime. Remember sakura has the most screentime after naruto. She also never got outshined by anyone, maybe hinata but it was just character development. I hope you know that sakura still has a lot of development incoming. Dont you think it will outshine hinatas?

I dont see a reason of whining because sakura didnt get that much screentime. All i say is developing side characters first, then its the turn of the main characters.

@luffyq1: Hmm i think you just dont look into future. You take the event how it is right now and start saying how messed up everything is. I dont want to know your guys reaction if sakura is going to die, because you never would get the idea that she might gets revived.
Also you dont look at past events. Cant say it even more but shes a maín character and its not possible to forget her character. She still has a lot of developent and most of the screentime besides naruto. Now we have one arc without that much screentime and she suddenly is a ruined character? Seriously?

Till now everything i havent seen any problem with the manga, since its not at its end by far. No need to spread negativity over things that arent even completed.

Edited by PhenixElite, 24 January 2013 - 09:10 PM.

[T XD]

Guys, bickering will get us nowhere. So, please, can we move on and talk about something else.

[PhenixElite]

Guys, bickering will get us nowhere. So, please, can we move on and talk about something else.

Sooner or later it gets back to the good old theme how kishi messed up with sakuras character so i dont think it has a use

Naa she's just going to sit back and be a good little medic ninja. The possibility of Tsunade's 4th rule being applied to her? Forget it. I mean...why bother expecting anything great from her anymore? Kishi has forgotten about her, and we shouldn't expect anything great. Even though she's been shown in little moments since the alliance got here, that doesn't matter. She's completely gone now. Doesn't exist. So we might as well keep talking about how poorly Kishi has written her character and nothing else. There's no reason to hope for her doing much because she's missed an opportunity to support Naruto for once after his shock over Neji's death. I mean, it took Kurama reminding him about the parents that not a lot of people know that he has to really get him through that. So yea.

Sarcasm?

Edited by PhenixElite, 24 January 2013 - 09:15 PM.

[merryGOflava]

I'm 110% sure kishi did not forget about sakura.

sooooooo anyway.........

.....how are they gonna defeat obito again?? what good is super-charging everyone if they can't touch him?

they can probably kill the juubi....maybe.



and would someone seal madara already!!!!! or something!! I'm getting tired of his nonchalant looks.............

[Qia]

Guys, bickering will get us nowhere. So, please, can we move on and talk about something else.

I second this. There's something that's actually been bothering me for a while that I want to hear people's thoughts on: Was Hinata's speech REALLY that great as you think? The reason why I'm asking this is because at the the time I read the chapter...it didn't really seem like Naruto was going to take Obito's hand...or even consider his offer. I may be wrong. But then I kept on reading, and Naruto says that breaking the bonds with his comrades wasn't even an option. And then it was Kurama's reminder about Neji's words about his life not being no longer his own because of his parents' sacrifice and other people's sacrifices that woke him up from that state of shock. If we were to replace Hinata with someone like, say, Shikamaru...would he be taking someone else's role from them? Or would he simply be fitting into that role of being a friend and supporter of Naruto, and someone who believes in him as they all basically said in 573? Ifit's like this, then wouldn't it be fair to say that it was okay for it to be anyone else other than Sakura that basically reminded him that Neji's death would have been in vain?

Sarcasm?

It's a skill I frequently like to use, yes.

Edited by Qia, 24 January 2013 - 09:30 PM.

[六道仙人]

OT

@Chatte; I see your new post on DA... Awesome! Show to them how to do it! For all these years, I was angry a lot when people distorted (maybe even on purpose) some chapters with bad translations or worse yet even interviews from Kishimoto

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

If he failed so hard with sakura, how come shes your favourite character? Dont you see it as insulting kishi when your stating that hes doing bad writing in every post? So hes a bad writer because hes didnt gave sakura that much screentime since the alliance returned? How can you say that, you dont even know what hes planing with her. Last chapter everything seemed ok and he made that art with naruto and sakura as heroes and now after a chapter without sakura in it its just all forgotten ? Just intresting how you guys view things dont you agree?

He failed with everyone.

Sasuke's hatred is forced, Naruto's will to save sasuke too, i understand the whole friendship thing but this guy tried ot kill the woman he loves, he saved her ofc but he still views sasuke as a victim like he's a kid.

I'll start with Naruto.
The timeskip didnt seems like a timeskip he come back with the same skills and jutsu with the difference of the kyuubi's chakra that he could not use, he had a very basic control but he entered on rage mode so easily that it was annoying now he is not a kid that rage all the time, which is a good development for him.

Sakura i said before so many times, character concept and skills the only hope for her is Tsunade dying and kishimoto sends her to do the slug training for her to become more strong.

Hinata

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And more NAruto-kun.
But her main problem is when she shows up is something regarded to Naruto i hate her character for the very same reason i hated Sakura on part 1, her fangrilish towards Naruto, she stopped chasing Naruto in strength which is retarded, she said i always wanted to overtake you, in other words "surpass" Naruto but she never did it, she never worked on it, her skills was the same of part 1, her fighting too, i think if kishimoto wanted to make her better he would give a development that does not involve Naruto, she should have leading her clan but instead kishimoto inserted some random guy on pain's arc which actually took this role from Neji, Hinata should be the real leader but instead is Neji, and then the random guy.
Her messed clan with the "main" and "secondary" families she has a lot of problem to deal with and she didnt even bother on trying to resolve this, it was actually all put on Neji and Naruto.
Naruto once vowed to change this but did he really has to "marry" Hinata to do this(some NH fans claim this)? Hinata is the future leader, why she cant resolve this by herself?

Kabuto
He trained so hard to overcome the strongest spot of the uchihas which is the genjutsu and got owned by one.

Now about PAIRINGS.

Naruto/Sakura.
On part 1 it was viewed as a bad pairing(my opinion) but part 2 he started doing a real development showing romantic intentions from Sakura towards Naruto, a lots of funny moments and dramatic ones with Sakura witnessing Naruto's suffering.
But then the manga got rushed and started showing more Naruto/Sasuke/Akatsuki.
the plot flowed so fast that a lot of characters got swallowed, including hinata who got missing for more than 100 chapters in a row, Sakura who only showed in single panels or interacting with Naruto.

#incomplete#

Sasuke/Sakura.
This pairing got destroyed when Sasuke tried to kill Sakura two times, i dont care about what they said but kishi really mad this pairing viewed as a bad one, and if he wants to it canon, he should not have made Sasuke trying to kill her like that, i'm sorry but SS canon is ridiculous.

Naruto/Hinata.
There's anything more annoying than a girl that act like a succubus( not sexually) and cling on you all the time.
She's chasing Naruto everywhere, instead of leading her clan she only think about him, instead of focusing on Madara and Obito she's looking at Naruto, but it's not about it, if NH were to be a real deal he should started making her love for Naruto a selfless one not a selfish but if he planned this i would say he's failing hard, Neji's death on 615 was more than enough, her second sacrifice attempt i understand that Neji said that she was willing to die for Naruto because he's important for her like he is for Neji but her actions towards Naruto, and the other characters reactions towards Neji's death did the inverse, even Sakura who has nothing to do with Neji felt more his death.
Hinata cried but it didnt last a second because Naruto was there.
The only way is Kishimoto going on with asspulls and plot twists like 615.

Conclusion:

SS is bad, NH is bad because Hinata as no other desires besides Naruto-kun( and needs an intense use of asspulls and plot twists), NS is the only one who has a good development but if he keeps Sakura's feelings for Sasuke and her lack of development lately ( she has 0 development on this arc ).

If NH is canon, Naruto should be put on the list of "how pairings can screw up a story".

Kishimoto admitted that he failed to despict her as a heroine and wanted to draw that "sakura's confession scene to Naruto" again but he's failing in other stuff too.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 24 January 2013 - 10:24 PM.

[Qia]

Wait...how WOULD Kishi draw the confession again? >.< Or is it that he wishes that he could do it over, but can't o.0?

[MangaReader]

Wow... crazy s**t goes on when I don't pay attention? Are we really taking it this far? Seesh, it fine to initial complain to get it out of your system, but I don't deem this chapter as bad just because Sakura didn't appear ^^;

I think it's obvious that Sakura will appear again

[CloudMountainJuror]

"Surprise"

That's the word that we have to use because that's what it's come to. It's that word that's truly embarrassing because Kishi has neglected this character so much that it has lead us Sakura fans to use the word "surprise".

Surprising, isn't it? That our expectations of our heroine has steadily plummeted. Is it possible to hand over the rights to Sakura's character? Preferably to Oda?

This.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Wonder, if we remove the "Where's Sakura" discussion to a new thread, titled, "Where's Sakura?" how many pages this thread'll have? Maybe 1? Max 10 pages?



It's like shriner said, it's a filler chapter. Let it go.


Shriner is Nate, for those of you who weren't here awhile ago.

Also, BIRD IMAGERY!

Anyway, see y'all at the next chapter thread.

Edited by shadow_Uzumaki, 24 January 2013 - 10:58 PM.