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[TouKen4Life3g]

I rather not have someone tell her to go for Naruto. I'll be good if someone tells her rethink over her journey and see what she truly desire. No one should tell you go here or there, it's the choice you make. A choice that is made from your journey.

[T XD]

 

Makes sense =).  Just wanted to clarify that I know Hinata's intended to be the way she is, but that that's a major reason I dislike her.  If I thought it was unintentional, I probably wouldn't dislike her so much.

 

Thanks for answering!

I know how you feel XD. When the author put such character into situations that are only revolving and talking about the same thing isn't something that will encourage some readers to have a like for the character. That much I know.

[morgaine4]

 

 

Well, this is the first time I've seen someone explain how disliking a character is no big deal, not that it's wrong, just a first for me.  Regarding Hinata, we haven't seen her that much, so saying she cares more for Naruto than her team and Neji is kinda an assumption.  We've been with Sakura more, and the manga showed she doesn't always of have Sasuke on her mind, and she can put the team and even Naruto before her feelings for Sasuke.  With Hinata, we haven't seen those kind of interactions with her.  I have to agree, though, that we should have seen mourning scene with Hinata about Neji's death.  We had both Naruto and Lee have one (the NejixTenten shippers most likely had a heart attack from her concerning herself over Lee rather than Neji's death).  I wonder why Kishimoto didn't give her one, and still have her focus so much on Naruto.  Makes me even more interested on where this story goes after the war.

 

Well, fictional characters aren't real people, and what happens off panel is irrelevant (until it's seen in a flashback on panel).  What or who Hinata thinks about off panel is irrelavant, the point is when Hinata is on panel for the most part she's focused on Naruto, but it was the one time that she was thinking of someone other than Naruto (about Neji and his sacrifice) that Hinata was strong, was able to stand beside Naruto as an equal.

 

 

I know how you feel XD. When the author put such character into situations that are only revolving and talking about the same thing isn't something that will encourage some readers to have a like for the character. That much I know.

 

Yeah, and honestly I'm a bit bitter because Hinata easily could have been a different type of character, her backstory and her clan's backstory was already laid out.  I was very excited for what the character could have been (even though some things about the character did bother me in part 1), and then I was just really disappointed with who she still was in part 2.  I guess it's better to say that I dislike how the character was written, I don't actually dislike her.  I think she could have been an absolutely awesome character.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Well, fictional characters aren't real people, and what happens off panel is irrelevant (until it's seen in a flashback on panel).  What or who Hinata thinks about off panel is irrelavant, the point is when Hinata is on panel for the most part she's focused on Naruto, but it was the one time that she was thinking of someone other than Naruto (about Neji and his sacrifice) that Hinata was strong, was able to stand beside Naruto as an equal.

 

I dont think so are you refering to 634?

Because it was Naruto again, and on 615 it was Naruto again.

I dont see her thinking about Neji and his sacrifice, she was strong due to Naruto's weakness at that moment which seemed off to be really weird, i remember very well when Sakura made a speech when even Hinata went on despair, she went because Naruto wasnt involved on that scene, even when she showed a little of leadership skill was because they needed to protect Naruto.

The problem with Hinata is this, she's only capable of doing those things when Naruto is close or involved, she could perform the 64 palms not becuase of Neji but becuase of Naruto and her flashback of him on 615.

 

And the fact she's the heir of the clan and has the responsability to look after them makes it worse, there's even another hyuuga who was introduced to do Hinata's job.

We dont have any interactions of her father with Hinata or even a scene where he does acknowledged her or some similar stuff like Chouji had.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 September 2013 - 10:28 PM.

[Inferno180]

For all the secret lovers stuff people were talking about in uns2 and 3, well it's just referring to how naruto and hinata have a secret love, I mean the team names are derived from a varity of stuff like association, teams, and villages. I mean if you put sakura, ino, and Karin in the same team you got the team all set on Sasuke. Others existed like Kakashi and Chiyo if anything. Even hidan, kakuzu, and yugito made a team just over one battle that occurred. Team names were just by association in this, the secret lovers stuff is just made over the characteristic of naruto loving sakura and hinata loving naruto, both secretly. Nh fans just overreacted to it really just remember what's in the manga.

A bigger mystery I'm wondering is a nh fan like forneverworld used one of lady gts narusaku artworks for one of his videos (the different image thing when it's only leading to the video, not the page of the video) this video was called how do you think naruto will end, he leaves out most pairing stuff but when it comes to it he just says this "the pairing stuff needs to end, naruto needs to choose a woman, hinata or sakura, it should just end, but in my opinion just saying, he should choose the girl with bigger breasts." That's it, after hearing this, I stopped watching apparently that's the best reason now, talk about shallow. Now it's a mystery. Why being so nh did he use a ns fan art piece for the video? That's a fun y mystery.

[arian_rad]

For all the secret lovers stuff people were talking about in uns2 and 3, well it's just referring to how naruto and hinata have a secret love, I mean the team names are derived from a varity of stuff like association, teams, and villages. I mean if you put sakura, ino, and Karin in the same team you got the team all set on Sasuke. Others existed like Kakashi and Chiyo if anything. Even hidan, kakuzu, and yugito made a team just over one battle that occurred. Team names were just by association in this, the secret lovers stuff is just made over the characteristic of naruto loving sakura and hinata loving naruto, both secretly. Nh fans just overreacted to it really just remember what's in the manga.

A bigger mystery I'm wondering is a nh fan like forneverworld used one of lady gts narusaku artworks for one of his videos (the different image thing when it's only leading to the video, not the page of the video) this video was called how do you think naruto will end, he leaves out most pairing stuff but when it comes to it he just says this "the pairing stuff needs to end, naruto needs to choose a woman, hinata or sakura, it should just end, but in my opinion just saying, he should choose the girl with bigger breasts." That's it, after hearing this, I stopped watching apparently that's the best reason now, talk about shallow. Now it's a mystery. Why being so nh did he use a ns fan art piece for the video? That's a fun y mystery.

I honestly think for how much he likes Naruhina and how shallow he is about it, ladyGT should reach out to him and tell him to stop using her art. I'm pretty sure he used another one of her art to make a video talking about if the third naruto series is possible.

[sushi.]

Did he ask her for permission?

 

I guess he does it to attract viewers, and because she has awesome art that's ideal for any thumbnail.

 

I think this mentality is common among fans. "If I was Naruto, I would get with Hinata already..therefore he should". that's bad

 

Stopped watching his videos after the Hinata haters video.

[Nostradamus]

you good dude I understand lols .  i deal with a whole bunch of em just like that Naruto doesn't matter , neither does Sakura for that matter . It seems that the story is all about Sasuke and Hinata lols . I honestly believe they are trapped in a Genjutsu . 

"All people live relying on their knowledge and perception, and are thus bound to them. Those boundaries are what they tend to accept as "reality". However knowledge and perception are both ambiguous, so "reality"  could be nothing more than an illusion. People live trapped by their limited perception, do you see?" As one great character once said.

 

 

 

Sasuke deserves to be Hokage, because he had it rough?  Of course, like the others hadn't had any difficulty.  Naruto aside, Lee had to work three times as heard as everyone else to become a ninja.  He also had to go through almost giving up the chance to continue as one.  Neji lost his dad due to his clans old traditions and grew up bitter to the main branch because of it.  How about every other Jinchuuriki, who had basically same kind of like as Naruto, being hated out of people's fear and anger.  Sure, Sasuke deserves to be happy, when he betrayed his village, tried to kill his former team on numerous occasions, directly stabbed Karin, left Juugo and Suigetsu at the summit, and willingly took a revenge path that lead to nothing but only more revenge and emptiness.  After all, he's done, he still shows no compassion to those who still care for him.  Yeah, he deserves so much.

Yeah but Sasuke is from the Uchiha clan. And the Uchiha clan is clan of love, so much love in fact that when they lose that love they go insane and start killing people and they also what to create a special world filled with puppies and rainbows, because they can't deal with reality.

It doesn't really matter what Sasuke did or didn't do. For them Sasuke is awesome. Also most of the Sasuke fans like him because they watched "Dragon Ball Z" and they compare Sasuke to Vegeta. Personally I don't see the similarities at all. The only thing they have in common is that both Sasuke and Vegeta are "rivals" of the main protagonist. But even that is stretching it.

 

 

 

 

This confuses me as well, because as a Sakura-fan, I was totally against all canon-pairings for the character.  I'd hope for her to decide at the end of the manga that there were other things she wanted to focus on instead of romance, not to "make a name" for herself, but inorder to implement new medical protocols in terms of mental health (as she's is a medic who has been directly impacted by having a teammate with some extreme mental health issues), and other things.  I wanted her to (and still kind of do) that she's too young to be focused on romance.  Even then though, it was blatantly obvious since Chapter 3 that NS was inevitable (if the romances were going to have closure, after all this manga is about the hero's journey as he attains his dreams despite seemingly imposible barriers), and I was fine with it since I didn't hate it as written canonically in the way I hated SS or NH (well, to be specific Hinata, I think the character is atrociously written).  And then 631 was released, we saw Naruto's reaction to Sakura's demand to be respected, and then I saw that in RtN Sakura's mom was a higher rank than her father, and in the alternate world Kushina was still an active kunoichi despite being a married mother, and I decided that NS was shippable.  But I agree, I don't understand wanting more for a character one likes, but then again the problem is is that as written there's is nothing to Hinata's character other than her feelings for Naruto.  She has no other drive, no other ambition, so to like Hinata canonically is to like NH and ship NH.

Personally I don't like Hinata because of two reasons. First of all I don't like what Kishi is doing with her, to me it feels like he is just shoving Hinata in there for drama purposes, to have her fans go insane over something insignificant. Because every time she is in the manga is because of her feelings for Naruto, that's the only thing she has going for her character. And if you take that away, you're felt with nothing, you literally erase her. It's like she never even existed. When you have a character that cannot exist without an element then you have a bad character.

Secondly I don't like her fans because they exaggerate her moments. For example chapter 437 when Hinata "saved" Naruto. The fact of the matter is she made the situation worse then it already was. Pure luck and Minato was the reason no one died because of Hinata's intervention.

But I don't hate her. I actually would love to see a better Hinata, I would love to see her leading her clan and to take care of little sister. I want a character that doesn't need to the paired with someone in order to exist. And I am a NS fan therefore I am their "enemy" and I want all that stuff for Hinata and they don't. They just want Hinata to get Naruto.

That alone should tell you something.

[Inferno180]

Correction, it may not be lady gts, just the art looks very very close.

 

This is the picture:

 

 

Just looks very much like the work she puts out. I checked her DA page but I don't know if this is her's or not, just still both are good and she is an amazing artist.

 

Other than that, still begs the question, why would fornever world even use such an image if he hates NS?

 

If anyone (or Lady GT herself) can clear this up then it would become a matter of fornever world taking without premission.

Edited by Inferno180, 08 September 2013 - 12:20 AM.

[morgaine4]

I dont think so are you refering to 634?

Because it was Naruto again, and on 615 it was Naruto again.

I dont see her thinking about Neji and his sacrifice, she was strong due to Naruto's weakness at that moment which seemed off to be really weird, i remember very well when Sakura made a speech when even Hinata went on despair, she went because Naruto wasnt involved on that scene, even when she showed a little of leadership skill was because they needed to protect Naruto.

The problem with Hinata is this, she's only capable of doing those things when Naruto is close or involved, she could perform the 64 palms not becuase of Neji but becuase of Naruto and her flashback of him on 615.

 

And the fact she's the heir of the clan and has the responsability to look after them makes it worse, there's even another hyuuga who was introduced to do Hinata's job.

We dont have any interactions of her father with Hinata or even a scene where he does acknowledged her or some similar stuff like Chouji had.

 

615, and while I'm aware that Hinata was mainly Naruto-centered in 615, the fact that she was clearly crying and emotional leads me to believe that she did think about Neji's sacrifice to some extent, and I want to give her the benefit of the doubt but then of course shortly after everything went to Tartarus because she began obsessing over how big and strong Naruto's hand is (how embarrissing and disappointing is that!?!  She's a kunoichi, in the middle of a war...like...REALLLLLLLY?) and in the chapter in which we saw the improvements of the Rookie 9 she mainly focused on Naruto, but...I want to give her the moments that lead up to her speech of 615.

 

As to the bolded, I absolutely agree.  All of the characters are Naruto-centric in one way or another, this manga is about the greatness of Naruto, it's inevitable, but Hinata takes the cake.  About 99% of her character is Naruto-centric, and it just bothers me quite a bit.  It's not her shyness that bothers me (but the fact that she doesn't really attempt to change), it's not even the personality type of the character that bothers me, but that she's all about Naruto, that she still hasn't grown out of it.

 

 

Secondly I don't like her fans because they exaggerate her moments. For example chapter 437 when Hinata "saved" Naruto. The fact of the matter is she made the situation worse then it already was. Pure luck and Minato was the reason no one died because of Hinata's intervention.

 

THANK YOU.  She made the situation worse, Naruto was worried that he killed her (and others) and luckily because of PnJ he didn't hurt anyone, and luckily because of PnJ Minato had sealed his chakra into Naruto to prevent Naruto from commiting suicide.  Hinata's rash, unplanned actions could have lead to Naruto's suicide, but that's completely ignored.  If Hinata had thought just a little bit, if she had planned with a group of people maybe they could have done something as a group, but she wanted to play hero and that nearly cost her life and Naruto's.  She's not a civilian, she's a kunoichi who is trained in war tactics, she was a chuunin, she should have used her brain.  I still don't understand what her intentions were, she knew that alone she had no chance to save Naruto, so why did she jump in alone?  It really seems that she wanted to confess, and took this opportunity because she figured if she sacrificed herself she wouldn't have to face rejection?  I don't understand it at all, it's almost sad.

 

 

But I don't hate her. I actually would love to see a better Hinata, I would love to see her leading her clan and to take care of little sister. I want a character that doesn't need to the paired with someone in order to exist. And I am a NS fan therefore I am their "enemy" and I want all that stuff for Hinata and they don't. They just want Hinata to get Naruto.

That alone should tell you something.

 

Absolutely.

 

 

 

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Anyway, to answer my own question, I do want Sakura to gain some closure regarding her feelings for Sasuke before she realizes her feelings for Naruto and I wouldn't want it to be immediately after.  I'd prefer for her to come to terms with her feelings for Sasuke, then after chapters for her to realize her feelings for Naruto.  With regards to whether I'd want her to realize them herself, or be forced to to realize them because of an outside force (especially Sasuke), I'm torn.  I don't want Sakura to be thinking about romance too much during the war, that's a bit pathetic and I like that during the times that we have seen Sakura, she hasn't been focused on romance (unless romance was brought up to her).  That just shows how different she is from the little, immature, brat (and I say that with love) she was back when we met her and she only thought in terms of romance).  Additionally, I think there would be something beautiful in terms of just the writing choice to have someone -namely Sasuke- point out her feelings to her, or at least point her in that direction in a more overt manner.  In part 1 some (but not all) of the moments that forced Sakura to reevaluate her attitude towards Naruto were ocurred because of Sasuke's words to her ("annoying," and when Sasuke told her about Naruto's battle with Gaara, how interesting that "loud, obnoxious Naruto was mature enough to not tell her all about it and demand credit).  After Sasuke left others took his place, but now he's physically back, it would be an interesting choice.

[sushi.]

Correction, it may not be lady gts, just the art looks very very close.

 

This is the picture:

 

 

Just looks very much like the work she puts out. I checked her DA page but I don't know if this is her's or not, just still both are good and she is an amazing artist.

 

Other than that, still begs the question, why would fornever world even use such an image if he hates NS?

 

If anyone (or Lady GT herself) can clear this up then it would become a matter of fornever world taking without premission.

Can't see the picture. Btw, it doesn't matter because I've seen him and other youtubers using either her art or something very similar to it before.

 

Btw, he put out two videos in two days, the first one was a NH thumbnail and the second was NS. Maybe it's to please all fandoms, because I've noticed how he seems afraid of being honest in his opinion in order to not lose viewers. (for instance his ever-changing opinion of Sakura)

[Inferno180]

Can't see the picture. Btw, it doesn't matter because I've seen him and other youtubers using either her art or something very similar to it before.

 

Btw, he put out two videos in two days, the first one was a NH thumbnail and the second was NS. Maybe it's to please all fandoms, because I've noticed how he seems afraid of being honest in his opinion in order to not lose viewers. (for instance his ever-changing opinion of Sakura)

 

Yeah I know what you're talking about, the other case of the art without permission was with an artwork of korra she made with korra, mako, and bolin dancing and some avatar fan organization used it without permission. But thats the problem of online, just like the manga most of us read every Wednesday, its even easier for stuff like this to occur.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

615, and while I'm aware that Hinata was mainly Naruto-centered in 615, the fact that she was clearly crying and emotional leads me to believe that she did think about Neji's sacrifice to some extent, and I want to give her the benefit of the doubt but then of course shortly after everything went to Tartarus because she began obsessing over how big and strong Naruto's hand is (how embarrissing and disappointing is that!?!  She's a kunoichi, in the middle of a war...like...REALLLLLLLY?) and in the chapter in which we saw the improvements of the Rookie 9 she mainly focused on Naruto, but...I want to give her the moments that lead up to her speech of 615.

 

 

 

yes and she it stopped as soon Naruto started showing weakness, that's the problem, it's not the fact of if she felt or not his death is that his death didnt made her stronger but rather the fact that Naruto was about to despair is that was her motivation to do that speech.

Honestly Hinata didnt had development to do that speech, i personally dont believe that Naruto just came in and said that she was strong give her the same development that shikamaru has without losing it's teacher and;or having the responsability of leading a squad.

 

I think that he handholding moment showed ot me that she doesnt love Naruto she's just strongly infatuated with him, she chases him on the battlefield and honestly she's the heir of the clan and has to responsability to overlook them but she's after him always, she said she would stop after the war but i hope she does so because i cant stand it, since the Sasuke's rescue arc part 2 it's annoying me ot a point that i cant stand her panel times because it's always Naruto Naruto or Naruto.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 September 2013 - 12:46 AM.

[sushi.]

yes and she it stopped as soon Naruto started showing weakness, that's the problem, it's not the fact of if she felt or not his death is that his death didnt made her stronger but rather the fact that Naruto was about to despair is that was her motivation to do that speech.

Honestly Hinata didnt had development to do that speech, i personally dont believe that Naruto just came in and said that she was strong give her the same development that shikamaru has without losing it's teacher and;or having the responsability of leading a squad.

I agree. When she gets a moment, she goes back to her usual timid self afterwards. It doesn't change her.

 

She has changed, but we don't know how.

Hiashi is suddenly impressed by her abilities.

She has suddenly enough guts to speak to Naruto properly.

Nothing led up to this, her growth is off panel and that's why I don't understand where it comes from.

 

It doesn't make me too frustrated because she is a side-character, but it still drags her down.

[LadyGT]

 
Yeah I know what you're talking about, the other case of the art without permission was with an artwork of korra she made with korra, mako, and bolin dancing and some avatar fan organization used it without permission. But thats the problem of online, just like the manga most of us read every Wednesday, its even easier for stuff like this to occur.

Funny thing is that out of all the fanart I made, the Korra one is one of the few with the link to my DA page. It was right there lol xD

Btw which fanart are you guys talking about?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I agree. When she gets a moment, she goes back to her usual timid self afterwards. It doesn't change her.

 

She has changed, but we don't know how.

Hiashi is suddenly impressed by her abilities.

She has suddenly enough guts to speak to Naruto properly.

Nothing led up to this, her growth is off panel and that's why I don't understand where it comes from.

 

It doesn't make me too frustrated because she is a side-character, but it still drags her down.

Completely agree she doesnt have a consistent development.
She showed leadership skills when she called people to defend Naruto, but when she needed to defend her own from that "Bijuu Dama" she was going to despair like the other shinobis because it wasnt related to Naruto at all, they were going to defend themselves and Sakura made her speech.

Those parts doesnt make sense to me.

"she gets sudden developments and then she goes back to the normal self".

[LadyGT]

She just wanted the hand, that's all.

[morgaine4]

yes and she it stopped as soon Naruto started showing weakness, that's the problem, it's not the fact of if she felt or not his death is that his death didnt made her stronger but rather the fact that Naruto was about to despair is that was her motivation to do that speech.

Honestly Hinata didnt had development to do that speech, i personally dont believe that Naruto just came in and said that she was strong give her the same development that shikamaru has without losing it's teacher and;or having the responsability of leading a squad.

 

I think that he handholding moment showed ot me that she doesnt love Naruto she's just strongly infatuated with him, she chases him on the battlefield and honestly she's the heir of the clan and has to responsability to overlook them but she's after him always, she said she would stop after the war but i hope she does so because i cant stand it, since the Sasuke's rescue arc part 2 it's annoying me ot a point that i cant stand her panel times because it's always Naruto Naruto or Naruto.

 

I think it could be an infatuation, the other way I see it is as a religious crush.  I don't know if this is at all applicable to Japanese culture, but in some cultures (particularly in some Asian cultures), in mythology etc there is this idea that someone can be so inspired by someone, and so devoted to this person that their devotion is mistaken by others, and by them to be romantic in nature when it is actually a sign of extreme, religous devotion.  Considering that Hinata's feelings for Naruto are based on his refusal not to give up, and are based on his nindo, that's kind of how I view her feelings.  They're real, they're extremely deep, but it's a spiritual love and not romantic love.  And when viewed in this way, I totally see why it was Hinata delivering the speech she did.  It didn't make much sense that she was suddenly bold, but she's the first person who began following the Naruto-religion, so it made sense that she would be the one to explain why people follow the Naruto-religion.

[arian_rad]

She just wanted the hand, that's all.

3 years after naruto is done, kishi will make a one panel comic of Hinata thinking about Naruto's hand.

[Inferno180]

This was the picture

 

http://www.fanpop.co...saku-kiss-photo

 

Its a very detailed one, I don't know if it you made this one LadyGT, but its the one used in the post described earlier.