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[sushi.]

Yes, guys, that one, thanks!

You were also talking these days about a guy that was doing NS videos, really good ones with raw translations and stuff like that.
You were comparing him/her with Sawyer which is biased, thing I have seen for myself before even joining this site, and I was curious if you could link me to his YT channel as well.
And I was not talking about Slextrem, I found her already.

Thanks!

Who is it? Twilightlink? furyguts? Or bluegod20(or something)?

[Chatte]

Who is it? Twilightlink? furyguts? Or bluegod20(or something)?

Hmmm Twilightlink sounds familiar... I know Slextrem and someone else were talking about him/her.
But I'll look for all these guys anyways, lol.
Thanks!

[TwilightLink20xx]

Chatte, just so you know, I don't do Raw Translations, I've only just now begun to start learning Hiragana. What I DO push is waiting for official translations from VIZ, as they will pick up on a few of the subtleties that are often missed in the scanlations. Some will point out that Translations will always lose things, and while that's certainly true, VIZ (whom is owned by the same parent company as Jump) gives us the way they intend for the series to be interpreted in the US. Therefore, their translations are the authority.

I'm TwilightLink21xx over on YouTube, hope you enjoy!

Anyways, lots of interesting things floating around, I think I'll be doing a supplemental video to mine for 615 very soon. I haven't done an edited video for the channel in two years, but it's time.

[Chatte]

Chatte, just so you know, I don't do Raw Translations, I've only just now begun to start learning Hiragana. What I DO push is waiting for official translations from VIZ, as they will pick up on a few of the subtleties that are often missed in the scanlations. Some will point out that Translations will always lose things, and while that's certainly true, VIZ (whom is owned by the same parent company as Jump) gives us the way they intend for the series to be interpreted in the US. Therefore, their translations are the authority.

I'm TwilightLink21xx over on YouTube, hope you enjoy!

Anyways, lots of interesting things floating around, I think I'll be doing a supplemental video to mine for 615 very soon. I haven't done an edited video for the channel in two years, but it's time.

Oh, hey, hi!
I understood it was something about the translations or stuff like that.
Just subscribed to you, thanks for letting me now.
Starting to check on the videos.
Loves the 615 review and thoughts.
Looks like Pein Arc is your fav. Arc too, right?

Ah, I wish Naruto Manga would be sold in my country... too bad it isn't and I have to read it online...

But thanks for the heads-up!

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

What's interesting to me is that in the whole story so far, Naruto has only made one comment to Hinata (that I can remember off the top of my head) about how he feels about her as a girl/person -- the infamous "I like people like you" back near the beginning of Part I. Everything else has been pep talky stuff -- that she's strong, etc.

By contrast, he has made many more personal comments to and about his appreciation for Sakura -- and missed obvious ones, such as when she asked him if she looked more womanly, lol.

Two of those comments were specifically about liking Sakura in a special way: (1) in #3 when he said "I feel like I finally understand why I love her" (official English Jump translation says "love" not "like"); and (2) his implicit admission that he loves her when questioned by Sai.

There is an ocean of difference between "I like people like [Hinata]" and "I feel like I finally understand why I love [Sakura]." Just saying.

Warning: my Japanese is less than perfect so do not take any of this as your new God-given truth.

First of all: does anyone of you actually have any links to the Japanese original chapters? I tried the Google, but it failed me!

Lacking the originals, I would hazard a guess that in both cases described above the verb used is 好き (suki) or in the NS scene possibly 大好 (daisuki). Japanese is a tricky language because so much depends on the context. For example, "daisuki" can mean both "loves" or just "really likes"*. I have seen quite many people think that the word that means the truly true romantic love is 愛してる (aikitteneru). But this is, as far as my understanding goes, more formal than the others and therefore used less. Also, it can mean just platonic love because Itachi uses (according to the mighty Wikipedia, anyway) the word aikitteneru when he says he loves Sasuke. Also, it is my understanding and the way I remember from the anime, that in quite many scenes the characters just trail off before they even reach the word love. Like in the Yamato-Sakura scene, Yamato never even has the time to select the verb such as aikitteneru. Yay Japanese.

The reason those translations vary so much is probably because the translators are using whatever they feel is (or guess to be) the appropriate word (likes, loves, really likes) and haven't got a fixed preference for any word.

*Except, not really, because "suki/daisuki" are not even verbs. They are just translated that way because otherwise it wouldn't make much sense in English.

I've only just now begun to start learning Hiragana.

Good luck with your studies. Just wait til you get to the Kanji.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 03 January 2013 - 01:57 AM.

[sushi.]

^I think that is one of the reasons NS is more popular in Japan. It's always easier to understand the original language. Plus, they know Japanese culture and society better, for example what a hug means or what a tsundere is.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

On the subject of what Naruto said to Hinata, it's obvious to me, but it may not be to others, he said that in regards to Hinata's courage against Neji, even if she knew she was gonna lose, and how she wanted to not go back on her word, to be able to have the confidence Naruto has, even if she may not know the complexity there is to him and how he works.

I like to think Hinata MIGHT have misconstrued it due to her crush on Naruto, but who knows? As I said, it's just a guess to me that Naruto meant her guts even with how scared she was originally of facing Neji when he was verbally brow beating her due to his own insecurities of his "destiny". Yet with Naruto, it's easy to see he loves Sakura since she's seeking acknowledgement she may not get from Sasuke, and he has also been very supportive to her because of knowing she is a lot stronger than even she thinks, which is why he is glad to cheer her on, especially like he did in the Chunin Exam after Ino used the Mind Transfer Jutsu on her. Or even how excited he was at how skilled she was at doing the tree climbing training so easily.

That's one big reason I like NaruSaku; the fact Naruto believes unconditionally in Sakura's abilities, even when she doesn't, and how that has translated just as well for Sakura on her end to Naruto. Like how it seems she didn't need to worry about Naruto when he came back to fight Pain after the destruction of the village, just tending to Tsunade because she likely knew Naruto could do it, since she had asked for him to come and save the village, which is likely why she knew he'd do alright. Even if she was worried.

[KnS]

Lacking the originals, I would hazard a guess that in both cases described above the verb used is 好き (suki) or in the NS scene possibly 大好 (daisuki). Japanese is a tricky language because so much depends on the context. For example, "daisuki" can mean both "loves" or just "really likes"*. I have seen quite many people think that the word that means the truly true romantic love is 愛してる (aishiteru). But this is, as far as my understanding goes, more formal than the others and therefore used less. Also, it can mean just platonic love because Itachi uses (according to the mighty Wikipedia, anyway) the word aishiteru when he says he loves Sasuke. Also, it is my understanding and the way I remember from the anime, that in quite many scenes the characters just trail off before they even reach the word love. Like in the Yamato-Sakura scene, Yamato never even has the time to select the verb such as aishiteru. Yay Japanese.

The reason those translations vary so much is probably because the translators are using whatever they feel is (or guess to be) the appropriate word (likes, loves, really likes) and haven't got a fixed preference for any word.

I agree completely about context, and therein lies the distinction between what Naruto said to Hinata and what he said to himself about Sakura.

Let's assume it was supposed to be "like" in the official English version, and whoever translates for Jump in the US didn't know what they were doing by using "love." When Naruto said "I like people like [Hinata]" he was trying to encourage an unconfident girl; when he said "I feel like I finally understand why I like [Sakura]" he was seconds away from kissing her (albeit henged as Sasuke.) The context makes quite obvious the difference in what Naruto was feeling.

One of my best friends is Japanese and reads the Japanese raws. Occasionally I ask him for clarification on questionable translations if the context is not clear, but I try not to bug him too much. In the cases above it wouldn't be necessary since the difference is pretty clear.

[Zatheko]

I'm NaruSaku shipper, I just see what's in the manga. Sakura has been like Kushiena personally
untill now and still is. I don't deny those facts. Just look at my signature pic. I knew this a long time ago.
But Hinatas recent behavior has been changing lately. Like the slap on his face to wake him up,
that is not really comic relief like it used to be with Sakura, but it's not ignoreable.
Also Hinata jumped in front of Naruto, then Neji jumped in front of Hinata.
Kinda like Kushiena and Minato did, the kyubi even stated this to make it clear.
And I believe that change, could make Naruto view Hinata difrently than he did before.

Answer: I know that hinata wants her strenght to be recognized but where do you see kushina that way??????
I dunno the fact the she was bullied and shouted out "I want to be the next Hokage"
Seems like she wants recognizion to me.

There really is no similarities between kushina and hinata, im sorry if you think there is, but that fact is that they are VERY different, i'd say the biggest thing kushina and hinata have in common is that they are both female.

[Codus N]

What's interesting to me is that in the whole story so far, Naruto has only made one comment to Hinata (that I can remember off the top of my head) about how he feels about her as a girl/person -- the infamous "I like people like you" back near the beginning of Part I. Everything else has been pep talky stuff -- that she's strong, etc.

By contrast, he has made many more personal comments to and about his appreciation for Sakura -- and missed obvious ones, such as when she asked him if she looked more womanly, lol.

Two of those comments were specifically about liking Sakura in a special way: (1) in #3 when he said "I feel like I finally understand why I love her" (official English Jump translation says "love" not "like"); and (2) his implicit admission that he loves her when questioned by Sai.

There is an ocean of difference between "I like people like [Hinata]" and "I feel like I finally understand why I love [Sakura]." Just saying.

I completely agree with the last part. But it wouldn't be waaayyy out of left field for Kishi to use that Hinata (or NH) moment to validate it as a final pairing. Trust me, I've seen several authors do something like that, screwing over the constant development of two characters' relationships. I certainly hope this isn't the case, but it's not certainly out of the realm of possibility.

Chatte, just so you know, I don't do Raw Translations, I've only just now begun to start learning Hiragana. What I DO push is waiting for official translations from VIZ, as they will pick up on a few of the subtleties that are often missed in the scanlations. Some will point out that Translations will always lose things, and while that's certainly true, VIZ (whom is owned by the same parent company as Jump) gives us the way they intend for the series to be interpreted in the US. Therefore, their translations are the authority.

I'm TwilightLink21xx over on YouTube, hope you enjoy!

Anyways, lots of interesting things floating around, I think I'll be doing a supplemental video to mine for 615 very soon. I haven't done an edited video for the channel in two years, but it's time.

If I'm correct, the Alpha version of 616 will be coming out on the 21st. So, here's to hearing from you, Link!!

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

In the cases above it wouldn't be necessary since the difference is pretty clear.

Yes. If it was me translating the NS kiss scene I would probably use "love" and in the Hinata scene "like". However, in the original Japanese the same word (suki) is most likely used for both scenes. It's enough to just look at the actual scenes and it's clear that Naruto is probably not confessing his undying romantic love to Hinata in that exam arc. Japanese language itself doesn't seem to be supporting either couple over the other.

[Chatte]

Yes. If it was me translating the NS kiss scene I would probably use "love" and in the Hinata scene "like". However, in the original Japanese the same word (suki) is most likely used for both scenes. It's enough to just look at the actual scenes and it's clear that Naruto is probably not confessing his undying romantic love to Hinata in that exam arc. Japanese language itself doesn't seem to be supporting either couple over the other.

Yet the body language does.
And you can clearly see it.

Of course language wouldn't be clear or else, no suspense... that's why we have the body language.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Yet the body language does.
And you can clearly see it.

Of course language wouldn't be clear or else, no suspense... that's why we have the body language.

And body language can speak volumes.

[TwilightLink20xx]

^Indeed, and it's something that people have a lot of trouble understanding, especially when you factor in composition. It's something that has really irritated me about this week's chapter. If it is intended to be read as romantic (Spoilers: I never bought it was), then the composition and body language do not fit the intentions whatsoever, especially when Naruto is talking to Hinata. If you're gonna have a moment that is meant to be romantic, have the two face each other. It's the entire reason that the NaruSaku hug at the end of the Pain arc caused the stir it did.

What still blows me away is that there are people that still cannot wrap their heads around Sakura's perspective on her feelings, specifically the inner conflict she's going through with those she has for Sasuke. But I digress... These are points that have been driven securely into the ground, no need to re-tread.

[KnS]

^Indeed, and it's something that people have a lot of trouble understanding, especially when you factor in composition. It's something that has really irritated me about this week's chapter. If it is intended to be read as romantic (Spoilers: I never bought it was), then the composition and body language do not fit the intentions whatsoever, especially when Naruto is talking to Hinata. If you're gonna have a moment that is meant to be romantic, have the two face each other. It's the entire reason that the NaruSaku hug at the end of the Pain arc caused the stir it did.

What still blows me away is that there are people that still cannot wrap their heads around Sakura's perspective on her feelings, specifically the inner conflict she's going through with those she has for Sasuke. But I digress... These are points that have been driven securely into the ground, no need to re-tread.

So true. And it's not just the hug. Remember the large panels of Naruto and Sakura facing each other during her confession? Despite Naruto's anger (?) and accusation that Sakura was lying to herself, the composition -- the way they were drawn -- was intimate and passionate.

I agree with the rest of your post as well.

[Chatte]

^Indeed, and it's something that people have a lot of trouble understanding, especially when you factor in composition. It's something that has really irritated me about this week's chapter. If it is intended to be read as romantic (Spoilers: I never bought it was), then the composition and body language do not fit the intentions whatsoever, especially when Naruto is talking to Hinata. If you're gonna have a moment that is meant to be romantic, have the two face each other. It's the entire reason that the NaruSaku hug at the end of the Pain arc caused the stir it did.

What still blows me away is that there are people that still cannot wrap their heads around Sakura's perspective on her feelings, specifically the inner conflict she's going through with those she has for Sasuke. But I digress... These are points that have been driven securely into the ground, no need to re-tread.

Exactly. That's what I've been telling people about body language, yet, everyone dismisses it.
I guess it's more convenient this way, dunno.

[Canadian_DJ]

First of all i dont get this post, because first this guy says that theres no proof that NH will happen, but then he tries to point out similarities between hinata and kushina.

Everything this guy points out is just wrong. Why?

Kushina and Hinata both wanted to be recognized for their talents.
Who said that? Never seen that in manga.

Hinata, much like Kushina, did not hesitate to put her life on the line for Naruto.
Sakura did the same thing on H&E bridge.

And finally in comparison, both Kushina and Hinata are good cooks as stated by Minato about his wife and Naruto about Hinata during a mission
As far as i know hinatas cooking skill was only mentionend in filler, also i dont know how important that is.

much like Kushina who would never put down Minato
Thats just complete bullsh** as seen in the flashback. After her comment "this is he first argument you ever won" to minato it can be predicted that it was a very dominant realationship from kushinas part,

Also kushina showd her short temper when she hit naruto, so its not like she changed that after minato.

To end this: Its starts to piss me off really hard to see people still complaining about kushina beeing like hinata. SHE IS DEFENETLY NOT LIKE HINATA.
How can he make it more obvious? Its not only obvious enough in the manga, no it gets even more obvious in the movie. I mean sakura is even chained the same way like kushina and is rescued the same like minato rescued kushina.
Sakura makes even the same pose like kushina.

To add: I find it kind of strange that you think hinata compared to kushina makes sense, since even your SIG say the exact opposite




So pls do me a favour and stop even thinking about it.

I agree all the way, Sakura=kushina

@twighlightlinkxx20

Well said!

Edited by Canadian_DJ, 03 January 2013 - 11:42 AM.

[Chucky-kun]

Nh fans be jelly of our concrete parallels.

[Gravenimage]

I agree all the way, Sakura=kushina

@twighlightlinkxx20

Well said!

Your replying to poison in your coffee post a few pages back. I told him the same thing and he hasn't reply to me saying I was wrong. Doubt he'll reply to you too.

[Canadian_DJ]

Your replying to poison in your coffee post a few pages back. I told him the same thing and he hasn't reply to me saying I was wrong. Doubt he'll reply to you too.

Really? I cant remember.....btw gravenimage, what happened to ciardha? i LOVED her posts!!!
And i read that kishi stated that the hyuuga's were going to get development, and that team 10 would also get development.And i read this on a thread that was on december 22nd which was before all this happened in the manga, so i believe the hyuuga will be wrapped up in these chapters, yes im directing at YOU hinata