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#7721 Liu bie

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:12 PM

QUOTE (Haaky @ Jan 2 2013, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto - A fiction ending (By Haaky)
Taking the story from chapter 615 creating the story I would like to see...

Naruto: Hinata lets go.
Hinata: Okay

(Epic fighting like boom and blast and woo, things seem to work, the rest of Hinatas team gets involved, things get even better, but then there is a complete turn around and we get to the interesting part)

Naruto: Obito I know how it feels to be friendzoned, I’ve been in love with the same girl for ages but see how I turned out, I’m not running around trying to change the world. I accept what is.

(Sakura listening)

Obito: Well then I will kill the girl you love and see how you feel MWUHAHAHAHAHAHA!

An amazingly pinpointed jubi blast strikes of Hinata and she dies.

Naruto: Dude she was not the one I was in love with smartypants.
Madara: Obito, I cant take this anymore, you’re a complete morron. I am going back to the dead. (BLEH)

(Obitos body implodes into a black whole of nothingness because of delayed anger manigment)

Sasuke: Hey everyone I got the scroll I’m here to save the day.
TheNinjaAlliance: Dude, we already won. Madara got bored and Obito comitted suicide of some wierd sort.
Sasuke: Well I still have to fight Naruto because that’s what the fans have been waiting for, for 3 YEARS!!!

(Naruto goes up to Sakura)
Naruto: I was disguised as Sasuke back in episode 3 just so you know. Sasuke never complimented you. EVER. It was ME. Now I’m going to go die with him...
Sakura: Naruto... I... I... I...
Sasuke: NarutoOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO000000000000000000()()()()()
Naruto: SasukeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEE3333333

(Boooom.)(Sasuke dies YAYYY)

(Naruto dies to apearently)

Sakura: Naruto I’m so sorry I didn’t see it sooner, I loved you all this time, bu-hu.
Naruto: Girl I am not dead, wanna make out?

(Naruto and Sakura makes out YAY)
– The end...


lol that story may be in the anime of Lee, but in the manga I doubt it.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:14 PM

@redragon88: That's pretty much all of their interactions. Well, you're missing the ointment part, but it only lasted very short and yeah, Naruto shared with Sakura. Anyway, that's really all and mainly, for character development. Naruto and Sakura's interactions are normal daily life and all, which is why I adore this pairing much more.

Oh boy, Kushina and Sakura comparison is too obvious, I don't want to argue anymore. Hell, 2chan was filled with Kushina being similar to Sakura when the episode came out. It doesn't help that anime viewers got upset that she's similar to her, thus creating hate for Kushina (yeah, that's right). I don't remember the cook part. Also, if we go by the movie, which made by Kishi, it would seem that Minato is frightened by Kushina when something may displease her (even the color spread suggested that). Yes, it would seem that Minato does lose against Kushina, but like Naruto when he gets serious, he is not as small minded and can really think of a plan that can and will work. Anyway, feel free to fill in.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:15 PM

QUOTE (Haaky @ Jan 2 2013, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


To ened this: No I won't stop thinking about it. This is a debate thread. And I shouldn't stop debating
just because you want me to.

To reply to your add:

Kushina and Hinata both wanted to be recognized for their talents.
Who said that? Never seen that in manga.


Hinata wanted recognizion for something else than the fact the she was in the higher ups in her clans or whatever.
She wanted to be recognized for her strength. Don't you remimber the Chunin exam?

Answer: I know that hinata wants her strenght to be recognized but where do you see kushina that way??????

Also if you mean that you need to think about untrue comments from some Unbiased (biased) fans, then go ahead, but sometimes its better to accept the truth.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:16 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 2 2013, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was already discussed so many times, Mina/Kushi and Naru/Saku parallel is already canon, and the NH is treatened because of it they want to destroy this parallel
the movie and their personalities enforce it.
hinata is not a tsundere, she never can be like Kushina never.

Neji's sacrifice completely destroyed the argument of them that is "Hinata is the only one who sacrificed for Naruto" Neji showed that both sacrifices is because they are friends and his important for everyone the same way everyone is important to him.


I'm NaruSaku shipper, I just see what's in the manga. Sakura has been like Kushiena personally
untill now and still is. I don't deny those facts. Just look at my signature pic. I knew this a long time ago.
But Hinatas recent behavior has been changing lately. Like the slap on his face to wake him up,
that is not really comic relief like it used to be with Sakura, but it's not ignoreable.
Also Hinata jumped in front of Naruto, then Neji jumped in front of Hinata.
Kinda like Kushiena and Minato did, the kyubi even stated this to make it clear.
And I believe that change, could make Naruto view Hinata difrently than he did before.

Answer: I know that hinata wants her strenght to be recognized but where do you see kushina that way??????
I dunno the fact the she was bullied and shouted out "I want to be the next Hokage"
Seems like she wants recognizion to me.

Edited by Haaky, 02 January 2013 - 10:25 PM.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:23 PM

QUOTE (Haaky @ Jan 2 2013, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm NaruSaku shipper, I just see what's in the manga. Sakura has been like Kushiena personally
untill now and still is. I don't deny those facts. Just look at my signature pic. I knew this a long time ago.
But Hinatas recent behavior has been changing lately. Like the slap on his face to wake him up,
that is not really comic relief like it used to be with Sakura, but it's not ignoreable.
Also Hinata jumped in front of Hinata, then Neji jumped in front of Hinata.
Kinda like Kushiena and Minato did, the kyubi even stated this to make it clear.
And I believe that change, could make Naruto view Hinata difrently than he did before.

Slap, her slap wasnt even hard, and moreover that slap is not a sign of a tsundere, let me ask you that slap was comic? ofc not, Hinata changed but still not like Kushina.
And moreover Neji jumped him but does not make a parallel of Mina/kushi you got a super biased view of those parts, he said Neji sacrificed his life, his parents sacrificed their lives, then Naruto thought about everyone who died and make a sacrificed for him or for other reasons and look at the flashback Neji wasnt even there.
Because if would then all the sacrifices in this manga remind about Minato and Kushina, their sacrificed their lives because of fraternal love, because it's the parent's duty to give everything to their sons.
Kyuubi reminded him that a lot of people made sacrifices and he giving up would just make their sacrifice meaningless.
He thanked both Hinata and Neji.
That scene didnt make her special at Naruto's eyes.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:24 PM

QUOTE (Haaky @ Jan 2 2013, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm NaruSaku shipper, I just see what's in the manga. Sakura has been like Kushiena personally
untill now and still is. I don't deny those facts. Just look at my signature pic. I knew this a long time ago.
But Hinatas recent behavior has been changing lately. Like the slap on his face to wake him up,
that is not really comic relief like it used to be with Sakura, but it's not ignoreable.
Also Hinata jumped in front of Naruto, then Neji jumped in front of Hinata.
Kinda like Kushiena and Minato did, the kyubi even stated this to make it clear.
And I believe that change, could make Naruto view Hinata difrently than he did before.

Neji throwing himself infront of naruto and hinata is not a parrallel for NarutoHinata its a parrallel for NejiHinata.
Also its not changing the fact that hinata is the complete opposite of kushinas character.
If kishi really tries to show hinata as a kushina parralel after all, it would be the biggest asspull ever seen.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:27 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Jan 2 2013, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Neji throwing himself infront of naruto and hinata is not a parrallel for NarutoHinata its a parrallel for NejiHinata.
Also its not changing the fact that hinata is the complete opposite of kushinas character.
If kishi really tries to show hinata as a kushina parralel after all, it would be the biggest asspull ever seen.

He cant their character conceptions does not match Hinata.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:28 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jan 2 2013, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is my memory of the times Naruto interacted with Hinata:

1) Chunin exams (written section): she tries to let him cheat, he say no. (1 chapter)
2) Chunin exams (preliminaries): Naruto cheers her on to fight Neji (1 chapter)
3) Chunin exams (finals): Hinata says hes a proud failure (1 chapter)
4) Sai arc: they meet again, she faints (1 chapter)
5) Itachi arc: they look for Itachi (many chapters, but interaction is minimum and all business)
6) Pain arc: She confesses (1 chapter)
7) War arc (fighting Zetsu): He encouraged her (1 chapter)
8) War arc (fighting Juubi): She encouraged him (1 chapter)

And now they're in love? No, just no. hm.png


Can't u c da luv?

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#7729 六道仙人

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:31 PM

QUOTE (Haaky @ Jan 2 2013, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


To ened this: No I won't stop thinking about it. This is a debate thread. And I shouldn't stop debating
just because you want me to.


I don't get it.... Are you agreeing with that unbiased guy from NF? huh.gif

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:31 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Jan 2 2013, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Neji throwing himself infront of naruto and hinata is not a parrallel for NarutoHinata its a parrallel for NejiHinata.
Also its not changing the fact that hinata is the complete opposite of kushinas character.
If kishi really tries to show hinata as a kushina parralel after all, it would be the biggest asspull ever seen.


Asspull or not, it could be. And I am not biased. It's not like I am running around shouting "NaruHina is now cannon"
That's just your emotions speaking. Why get so mad everytime someone has a difrent view than yourself.
Please calm down. And I do see this happening as a paralell to Minato and Kushiena, because of the way
it was done. I know what Tsundere is too, and I agree that the slap is not Tsundere, that paralell is probably
the most questionable of those I have made.

I don't get it.... Are you agreeing with that unbiased guy from NF?
I don't know any NF guy. That quote I had I just found on google and
the theory seemed interesting to me.

Edited by Haaky, 02 January 2013 - 10:40 PM.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:35 PM

Guys sorry for the off-topic, it was a NH fan on DeviantArt who posted a Journal Entry about 615 and NaruHina, a really nice one, do you happen to know the link?
I remember someone posted it here...but can't remember exactly which page.
Thanks!

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:43 PM

QUOTE (Haaky @ Jan 2 2013, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Asspull or not, it could be. And I am not biased. It's not like I am running around shouting "NaruHina is now cannon"
That's just your emotions speaking. Why get so mad everytime someone has a difrent view than yourself.
Please calm down. And I do see this happening as a paralell to Minato and Kushiena, because of the way
it was done. I know what Tsundere is too, and I agree that the slap is not Tsundere, that paralell is probably
the most questionable of those I have made.

If someone tells me that there is a parrallel that just is no parrallel im getting pissed, beacause it has been discussed about 100000000000 times.
Arguing that kishi shows hinata as a parrallel to kushina is a direct punch in kishis balls. Arguments like that make me feel like kishi just gives a kitten
about his story and throws in what he likes to.

I dont see kishi like that and thats why something like that PISSES ME OFF.

Iam not getting mad when someone has a different view, im getting mad when someone tries to tell me something that is just not true.

The momemt kishi actually shows hinata as a parrallel to kushina is the moment i drop the manga.


@Chatte: http://browse.deviantart.com/#/d5prd1g
Mean this one?

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:43 PM

QUOTE (Haaky @ Jan 2 2013, 01:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
quoting an unbiased Narutofan:

"Well, there is pretty much no proof that NaruHina will happen. Naruto sees her as a friend and that's all. Also, please stop lying. Kishi never said that he will make Naruto and Hinata together.


Also naruto was mad at sakura after she confessed love to him, when he knew it was a lie to him and herself, when he thought back on all the times she talked about sasuke. hinata has already confessed her love to naruto and this is a gate way for him to give hinata her chance.

In Manga 504 naruto's mother says to naruto that he should not choose a girl who is weird (referring to how naruto always calls hinata weird and strange).

Correction, in the manga 504 Kushina say's that he should try not to pick a weird one, and one who is more like his mother. This is obviously a joke on her part as Kushina herself is far from normal and is considered weird, no one can dispute that fact.

It almost funny that no one can see any similarities between Kushina and Hinata. She indeed said that she wanted Naruto to fall in love with a girl like his mother, and that's when you have to analyze Kushina as a young girl and Kushina as an adult. As a young girl, Kushina was loud and a bit short-tempered just like Sakura, but after Minato rescued her, he gained her respect. That's where the similarities end. This is where the comparison to Hinata comes in. Hinata, much like Kushina, did not hesitate to put her life on the line for Naruto. Kushina and Hinata both wanted to be recognized for their talents, though Hinata wasn't nearly so bold in exclaiming it. And finally in comparison, both Kushina and Hinata are good cooks (as stated by Minato about his wife and Naruto about Hinata during a mission). Sakura has always been a bit verbally abusive to Naruto yet Hinata would never say anything that would belittle him, much like Kushina who would never put down Minato, even when she though he was too soft of a ninja (she just ignored him).

It seems if Kushina want Naruto to fall in love with someone like her, Hinata would be the perfect candidate."

This makes perfect sense to me.


When did Naruto complimented Hinata's cooking??? I don't remember that happening in the manga. Ohhhh you're talking about that time when Hinata gave Naruto a sandwich looking exactly like him that was in the anime one word my friend "fillers". Also what was the last time Sakura was mean to Naruto??? And please stop bringing the anime because it's crap compare to the canon manga by Kishimoto. I haven't seen Sakura verbally abusing him in so long and the last time she hit him was at 450 (that's almost 200+ chapters ago). Don't use the anime for evidence, the manga is the only thing consider to be pure canon nothing else. Also Kushina thought Minato was a girly man and thought he would never become Hokage, she treated him the same way Sakura did to Naruto until he saved her from the hidden cloud village.

Edited by Gravenimage, 02 January 2013 - 10:52 PM.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:44 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 2 2013, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Guys sorry for the off-topic, it was a NH fan on DeviantArt who posted a Journal Entry about 615 and NaruHina, a really nice one, do you happen to know the link?
I remember someone posted it here...but can't remember exactly which page.
Thanks!

You mean this one? : ))

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:49 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Jan 2 2013, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>



QUOTE (sushi. @ Jan 2 2013, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You mean this one? : ))

Dear narusaku shippers


Yes, guys, that one, thanks!

You were also talking these days about a guy that was doing NS videos, really good ones with raw translations and stuff like that.
You were comparing him/her with Sawyer which is biased, thing I have seen for myself before even joining this site, and I was curious if you could link me to his YT channel as well.
And I was not talking about Slextrem, I found her already. biggrin.gif

Thanks! happy.gif

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:51 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Jan 2 2013, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If someone tells me that there is a parrallel that just is no parrallel im getting pissed, beacause it has been discussed about 100000000000 times.
Arguing that kishi shows hinata as a parrallel to kushina is a direct punch in kishis balls. Arguments like that make me feel like kishi just gives a kitten
about his story and throws in what he likes to.

I dont see kishi like that and thats why something like that PISSES ME OFF.

Iam not getting mad when someone has a different view, im getting mad when someone tries to tell me something that is just not true.

The momemt kishi actually shows hinata as a parrallel to kushina is the moment i drop the manga.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:57 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 2 2013, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can't u c da luv?

The greatest love story ever told.

Boy meets girl, she faints, then confesses, then slaps him. That's true love man. Sakura was simply a crush. tongue.gif

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:01 PM

Some people just cant interpret a joke...
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:05 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 2 2013, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Some people just cant interpret a joke...

Is that about me? I was joking right back. That was the whole point of the tongue.gif . I thought it was pretty clear. laugh.gif

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:12 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jan 2 2013, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The greatest love story ever told.

Boy meets girl, she faints, then confesses, then slaps him. That's true love man. Sakura was simply a crush. tongue.gif

What's interesting to me is that in the whole story so far, Naruto has only made one comment to Hinata (that I can remember off the top of my head) about how he feels about her as a girl/person -- the infamous "I like people like you" back near the beginning of Part I. Everything else has been pep talky stuff -- that she's strong, etc.

By contrast, he has made many more personal comments to and about his appreciation for Sakura -- and missed obvious ones, such as when she asked him if she looked more womanly, lol.

Two of those comments were specifically about liking Sakura in a special way: (1) in #3 when he said "I feel like I finally understand why I love her" (official English Jump translation says "love" not "like"); and (2) his implicit admission that he loves her when questioned by Sai.

There is an ocean of difference between "I like people like [Hinata]" and "I feel like I finally understand why I love [Sakura]." Just saying.







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