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#7661 Gravenimage

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 12:14 AM

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ Jan 3 2012, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
GREAT!!! facepalm.png I was starting to forget about 540 and it's brought up again! WHATEVER it was I was still distressed by it so can we just drop the subject please? why you ask? because it just threw any positive or improving concept of Sakura in the blender! You know what some fans are saying? that she's a lying B**** that feels nothing for Naruto and and does not deserve him, so she should just go die with her beloved SASUKE-KUN and whatnot. Lets just leave that as it is and discuss something else, I beg all of you. zomg.gif


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Posted 04 January 2012 - 12:26 AM

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ Jan 4 2012, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
GREAT!!! facepalm.png I was starting to forget about 540 and it's brought up again! WHATEVER it was I was still distressed by it so can we just drop the subject please? why you ask? because it just threw any positive or improving concept of Sakura in the blender! You know what some fans are saying? that she's a lying B**** that feels nothing for Naruto and and does not deserve him, so she should just go die with her beloved SASUKE-KUN and whatnot. Lets just leave that as it is and discuss something else, I beg all of you. zomg.gif


But why leave it out if your so sure of Sakura being in love with Naruto? 540 should not be pushed under the rug, I think. Aside from it dealing with Sakura's feelings, it is one of the few pairing teases we've gotten from Kishi last year. There's not much else to talk about, tbh.

Anyway, I have to be truthful here and say that while I'm unsure if its supposed to mean that Sakura's ashamed of loving Sasuke (it could just as easily be argued that she is saddened/distressed that Sasuke, the guy she likes, isn't a goody goody right now), I think the chapter did specify that she has a romantic attachment for the guy. The suki was used in a present tense by that fodder dude and Sakura herself (back in chapter 539).

At any rate, I just can't jump on the "Its bad for SS" train right now. While the scene made Sasuke out to be a bad guy (which he is at the moment) it did not denounce Sakura's feelings for him, but clarified it. I would have been more assured if Naruto was shown in her thoughts as well, then it just being about Sasuke point blank when Sakura's asked about the guy she's currently in love with.

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 12:32 AM

QUOTE (Nate River @ Jan 3 2012, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One of my biggest pet peeves is fans dictating to other people who is really a fan, especially when the accusation arises over differences of opinion.

What gives you or anyone else the right to set the terms of what is a legitimate NS fan?

And, two, it's a freaking fandom. It's entertainment. Are we really wasting space over whether someone is really a NS fan or Anti-NS?

I tend to hate die-hard fans of virtually all enterainment mediums (sports, videos games, movies) because of crap like this.

I don't mean to get upset, but I see way too much of this.



I really Sorry I got a little angry hare and that should never happen, it only happen when I see coments like that but you can be sure this will never happen again



And to you Thomas I really really Sorry.

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 12:41 AM

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Jan 3 2012, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But why leave it out if your so sure of Sakura being in love with Naruto? 540 should not be pushed under the rug, I think. Aside from it dealing with Sakura's feelings, it is one of the few pairing teases we've gotten from Kishi last year. There's not much else to talk about, tbh.

Anyway, I have to be truthful here and say that while I'm unsure if its supposed to mean that Sakura's ashamed of loving Sasuke (it could just as easily be argued that she is saddened/distressed that Sasuke, the guy she likes, isn't a goody goody right now), I think the chapter did specify that she has a romantic attachment for the guy. The suki was used in a present tense by that fodder dude and Sakura herself (back in chapter 539).

At any rate, I just can't jump on the "Its bad for SS" train right now. While the scene made Sasuke out to be a bad guy (which he is at the moment) it did not denounce Sakura's feelings for him, but clarified it. I would have been more assured if Naruto was shown in her thoughts as well, then it just being about Sasuke point blank when Sakura's asked about the guy she's currently in love with.


The contrary opinions annoy me to say the least. I'm Sure Sakura loves Naruto but They don't see it or want to acknowledge the possibility. I try to be respectful but they are just blindly biased- (holds tongue) and don't want to see things in any other way. I do, but that's what's troubling me cause I don't want SS happening

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Jan 3 2012, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just ignore the haters let them troll that is not what Kishi thinks, let it go.


Yeah, I'm just emotionally sensitive about that chapter cause was 100% expecting her to think of Naruto buddy.

Edited by Phantom_999, 04 January 2012 - 12:45 AM.

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 01:10 AM

QUOTE (donjoseph19 @ Jan 3 2012, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really Sorry I got a little angry hare and that should never happen, it only happen when I see coments like that but you can be sure this will never happen again



And to you Thomas I really really Sorry.


I appreciate you apologizing to him.

I'm sorry I overreacted. It just frustrates me to see people tell others that they are or are not a fan because they don't share the same view point.

It's something I see all the time and it got on my nerves. It doesn't excuse overreacting, though. It's fine to debate his specific points, but it doesn't really matter if he is pro or anti NS. As long as he follows the rules he is welcome here.

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 01:12 AM

Argh! Multiple trains of thought!

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Jan 3 2012, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyway, I have to be truthful here and say that while I'm unsure if its supposed to mean that Sakura's ashamed of loving Sasuke (it could just as easily be argued that she is saddened/distressed that Sasuke, the guy she likes, isn't a goody goody right now), I think the chapter did specify that she has a romantic attachment for the guy. The suki was used in a present tense by that fodder dude and Sakura herself (back in chapter 539).

At any rate, I just can't jump on the "Its bad for SS" train right now. While the scene made Sasuke out to be a bad guy (which he is at the moment) it did not denounce Sakura's feelings for him, but clarified it. I would have been more assured if Naruto was shown in her thoughts as well, then it just being about Sasuke point blank when Sakura's asked about the guy she's currently in love with.

I agree that there's no definite way to interpret these scenes. It's what makes being part of a shipping fandom so exasperating sometimes. However, the point I generally focus on is that, if we take 540 as a stand-alone scene, all it tells us is that Kishi is being painfully redundant. Sakura having feelings for Sasuke has already been established. I can't speak for everyone here, but I generally assume that the unrequited sides haven't changed until blatantly or explicity stated otherwise (I think it's obvious Sakura's feelings for Naruto have progressed past friendship, but not in a way that openly conflicts with her feelings for Sasuke). Now, if you look at that chapter again, that nameless love letter nin was basically introduced for the sole purpose of bringing Sakura's feelings back into the main focus of the plot. It's possible that his entire character was created for the sole purpose of pointing out a previously established side of the love triangle, but that doesn't really strike me as Kishi's style. He's pretty expositional with the romantic subplot, sure, but not redundantly so, at least IMO.

In any case, I don't like to call that scene S/S or anti-S/S, since I don't believe it's a stand-alone scene. However, I think it's important to read the scene in a broad context, instead of the chapter-by-chapter context a lot of fans seem to prefer (especially when reading the manga on a weekly basis). And if you look at all the previous development, foreshadowing, and pretty obvious hints ("Don't marry a weird one?" LOL), that scene in 540 is really nothing to get worked up over. All it really tells me is that Kishi is just taking his sweet time in resolving things. But hey, at the very least, Sakura doesn't seem to proud of her feelings for Sasuke, so I suppose it wasn't a total loss for us. happy.gif

QUOTE (tricksie @ Jan 3 2012, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What do you think Sakura was going to say when she is speaking to the group about her plans to confront Naruto about Sasuke's death warrant? The panel leaves off with her saying to them "And one last thing...." What on earth could she have been talking about? It couldn't have been the confession, because they were all surprised. So what could it have been? (I can't remember what chapter it's from. I've searched and can't find it, and now I'm out of time. If anyone knows please post it. The last line might be a bit different than I remember.)

And Naruto says to Sakura on top of the hospital building to never interfere with their fight again. It's such a strange, strong statement. And it doesn't seem to be entirely out of concern for her wellbeing. Almost like a threat. Do you think it's foreshadowing of another showdown, where there's the possibility Sakura does interfere and gets seriously injured? (And remember Hinata.... What if Kishimoto takes it up a notch, shows Sakura being killed (the appearance of it) and Naruto loosing control?) So do you think the statement is foreshadowing or not?

I can't remember the first scene all that well, I might have to look that up later. If I had to guess, though, it would have to do with Sakura killing Sasuke by herself. We saw that she was still building up the resolve to kill him en route to Iron Country, so I don't think she was fully prepared to do it at that point. Maybe she was going to tell the K-11 to stay out of her fight with Sasuke, only to realize while she was asking it that they would refuse? But, I suppose I'll need to look at the scene again to understand the context.

As for the second one, I remember thinking he was being really harsh at that point. Looking back, I sort of wished he comforted her or something, like he did at their ramen "date" right afterwards. I think, though, he acted the way he did simply due to how strong his desire to prove himself to Sasuke is. That goal of his was so strong, he didn't mind being a little harsh to Sakura. I guess it's another example of how his bond with Sasuke seems to overshadow everything, and everyone, else in the story.
I think it would be very interesting if it was foreshadowing though. I'm not sure about Naruto losing control again, but I guess I could see Sakura trying to get involved the next time the two fight.

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 04:15 AM

As for love fodder nin, do you think it's a possibility of Sakura running into him again while with Naruto sometime later in the manga and fodder nin asking Sakura if that was the guy and she smiles and says yes, and Naruto gets all confused. smile.gif I can picture it.
 
 
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 04:18 AM

QUOTE (Nate River @ Jan 3 2012, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I appreciate you apologizing to him.

I'm sorry I overreacted. It just frustrates me to see people tell others that they are or are not a fan because they don't share the same view point.

It's something I see all the time and it got on my nerves. It doesn't excuse overreacting, though. It's fine to debate his specific points, but it doesn't really matter if he is pro or anti NS. As long as he follows the rules he is welcome here.



Thats ok I look for that, next time I know what to do.


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I agree with you, but that chapter I see it more as a Sakura bashing chapter not an anti NS.
Why I say that? because everyone start saying that she try to use Naruto's feelings, her confession was a fake, how can she still like Sasuke, she is not good for Naruto, Naruto deserves someone better, not be second plate, etc. etc.

But even if I did not like that chapter and still hate it, Kishi make that chapter to keep readers guessing, but at the expense of Sakura character, because it hurt her character growth, if libro did ask her with his talk no jutsu to give Sasuke another change it will not destroy her character. Karin gained a lot of respect when she say no more, thats too much. I think the same will happen with Sakura but Kishi to keep the drama he had to screw up her character.





QUOTE (Fenris @ Jan 4 2012, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As for love fodder nin, do you think it's a possibility of Sakura running into him again while with Naruto sometime later in the manga and fodder nin asking Sakura if that was the guy and she smiles and says yes, and Naruto gets all confused. smile.gif I can picture it.


NO

Edited by donjoseph19, 04 January 2012 - 04:19 AM.


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Posted 04 January 2012 - 04:20 AM

QUOTE (donjoseph19 @ Jan 4 2012, 04:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thats ok I look for that, next time I know what to do.


@Boom...Winning

I agree with you, but that chapter I see it more as a Sakura bashing chapter not an anti NS.
Why I say that? because everyone start saying that she try to use Naruto's feelings, her confession was a fake, how can she still like Sasuke, she is not good for Naruto, Naruto deserves someone better, not be second plate, etc. etc.

But even if I did not like that chapter and still hate it, Kishi make that chapter to keep readers guessing, but at the expense of Sakura character, because it hurt her character growth, if libro did ask her with his talk no jutsu to give Sasuke another change it will not destroy her character. Karin gained a lot of respect when she say no more, thats too much. I think the same will happen with Sakura but Kishi to keep the drama he had to screw up her character.



I don't think he did it to screw up her character. He probably did it to add drama and make people go:
.. Literally, so it'd cause the controversy that it did and to keep people guessing what happened next.
 
 
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 04:38 AM

QUOTE (Fenris @ Jan 4 2012, 12:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think he did it to screw up her character. He probably did it to add drama and make people go:
.. Literally, so it'd cause the controversy that it did and to keep people guessing what happened next.



Yeah he did it to create more Drama and to kee people guessing but when you read all other people view they bash her character a lot because of that panel.

So yes Kishi did it for Drama, but his readers take it another way and bash her for that, I'm sure people tell you to stay away from youtube, plus all the hate I read in Naruto forums make me feel like my head will explode.

I used to use to read the A NS and A big 3 coments, but now mi brains can not take it any more so now I stay away.

Edited by donjoseph19, 04 January 2012 - 04:39 AM.


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Posted 04 January 2012 - 04:42 AM

QUOTE (donjoseph19 @ Jan 4 2012, 04:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah he did it to create more Drama and to kee people guessing but when you read all other people view they bash her character a lot because of that panel.

So yes Kishi did it for Drama, but his readers take it another way and bash her for that, I'm sure people tell you to stay away from youtube, plus all the hate I read in Naruto forums make me feel like my head will explode.

I used to use to read the A NS and A big 3 coments, but now mi brains can not take it any more so now I stay away.


Yeah i know what you mean, Kishi did it to spice things up, (even though she clearly loves Naruto / team 7 bond in her head / Lingering feelings for old Sasuke etc blablabla we all discussed this before laugh.gif) but the other fandoms take it a different view and bash Sakura/NS.
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But Kishi did say:
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"As we all know SAKURA loved SASUKE that what we can understand from her wordings, but always remember that NARUTO is closer to her......."
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 04:59 AM

QUOTE (Fenris @ Jan 4 2012, 12:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah i know what you mean, Kishi did it to spice things up, (even though she clearly loves Naruto / team 7 bond in her head / Lingering feelings for old Sasuke etc blablabla we all discussed this before laugh.gif) but the other fandoms take it a different view and bash Sakura/NS.
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But Kishi did say:


Note the past tense. happy.gif



Sorry Fenris but that I use it as mi Sig in Naruto forums threads.

Speaking of NF they make a thread about If Naruto rejected Hinata's feelings and ended up with Sakura after Sasuke was killed, how would you react? the replays I see is nothing compared to when they make one about SS it's ok so far.

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 05:03 AM

QUOTE (Fenris @ Jan 4 2012, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah i know what you mean, Kishi did it to spice things up, (even though she clearly loves Naruto / team 7 bond in her head / Lingering feelings for old Sasuke etc blablabla we all discussed this before laugh.gif) but the other fandoms take it a different view and bash Sakura/NS.
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Sorry for going off-topic here, but about the other fandoms... you know what really does my heading? The fact that they can't at least understand that NS is most likely going to happen at the end more than any other pairing that goes against it. Now, I may sound biased since I'm obviously pro-NS, but there's a clear difference between something that they don't want to see happening and something that's certainly not going to happen. They can ship whatever pairing they like, and say "I don't want so and so pairing to happen/I don't like this character because blah blah blah", but what ticks me off is when they are all like "Nope, this pairing definitely won't happen, it sucks, deal with it" or whatever. Like I said before, they certainly do not have to support NS, but at the very least, can they acknowledge it a little? It's a real shame that there only are few fans [if any that I know of] who do this.

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Note the past tense. happy.gif

Huh? When did Kishi-sensei say that? Was that the 2010 Jump Festa interview or something? argh1.png

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 05:17 AM

QUOTE (Rocket @ Jan 4 2012, 06:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry for going off-topic here, but about the other fandoms... you know what really does my heading? The fact that they can't at least understand that NS is most likely going to happen at the end more than any other pairing that goes against it. Now, I may sound biased since I'm obviously pro-NS, but there's a clear difference between something that they don't want to see happening and something that's certainly not going to happen. They can ship whatever pairing they like, and say "I don't want so and so pairing to happen/I don't like this character because blah blah blah", but what ticks me off is when they are all like "Nope, this pairing definitely won't happen, it sucks, deal with it" or whatever. Like I said before, they certainly do not have to support NS, but at the very least, can they acknowledge it a little? It's a real shame that there only are few fans [if any that I know of] who do this.


Huh? When did Kishi-sensei say that? Was that the 2010 Jump Festa interview or something? argh1.png

Memory fail ._.



Rocket, we are going to be married and have very intelligent children. LOL in other words... I completely agree with you! Naruto and Sakura are the most likely pairing to happen. They ignore the facts, and like you said, not to sound biased, but it is actually like that in reality. They do go by what you said, they do ignore the facts and absolutely refuse to acknowledge the hard, concrete, actual facts that are displayed in anime/manga/artbooks/databooks/everything.

And I'm not sure what interview it was, I think it was that, yeah.
But he did say it happy.gif It's one of the translation that were done unbiased and accurate and "rose from the depths" (laugh.gif) without being mistranslated. So I heard. happy.gif
 
 
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 05:31 AM

QUOTE (Rocket @ Jan 4 2012, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry for going off-topic here, but about the other fandoms... you know what really does my heading? The fact that they can't at least understand that NS is most likely going to happen at the end more than any other pairing that goes against it. Now, I may sound biased since I'm obviously pro-NS, but there's a clear difference between something that they don't want to see happening and something that's certainly not going to happen. They can ship whatever pairing they like, and say "I don't want so and so pairing to happen/I don't like this character because blah blah blah", but what ticks me off is when they are all like "Nope, this pairing definitely won't happen, it sucks, deal with it" or whatever. Like I said before, they certainly do not have to support NS, but at the very least, can they acknowledge it a little? It's a real shame that there only are few fans [if any that I know of] who do this.


Huh? When did Kishi-sensei say that? Was that the 2010 Jump Festa interview or something? argh1.png

Memory fail ._.



Trust me only the 80 to 90% of paring fans think that way and most are NaruSaku Fans, they love the pairing but still adknowledge flaws in the pairing.

NS think Sakura has feelings for Sasuke, but also like Naruto
we think that NH, NS, and SS can still happen.

SS Sakura will never love libro, libro will fix Sasuke and Sakura will run and embrace Sasuke ignoring Naruto feelings at the end he will move on. (Naruto never really love Sakura he was all a silly crush)

NH men Naruto hate Sakura he already move on Sakura will never love Naruto he already get the message beside he already start liking Hinata. Whit Hinata there are only good moments, Sakura only use Naruto that pairing will never happen. (Naruto never really love Sakura he was all a silly crush)
NH make a living of Bashing NaruSaku and ignoring all the NaruSaku moments.

That how the most of the other pairing fans thinks.

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 09:51 AM

QUOTE (tricksie @ Jan 4 2012, 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And Naruto says to Sakura on top of the hospital building to never interfere with their fight again. It's such a strange, strong statement. And it doesn't seem to be entirely out of concern for her wellbeing. Almost like a threat. Do you think it's foreshadowing of another showdown, where there's the possibility Sakura does interfere and gets seriously injured? (And remember Hinata.... What if Kishimoto takes it up a notch, shows Sakura being killed (the appearance of it) and Naruto loosing control?) So do you think the statement is foreshadowing or not?


I do think it could be foreshadowing. Naruto specifically telling her to stay out of the fight between them, but she doesn't... But on the other hand it could be what Boom said, just a demonstration of how seriously he takes his bond with Sasuke. This is between them, a final measure of their strength.

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It's possible that his entire character was created for the sole purpose of pointing out a previously established side of the love triangle, but that doesn't really strike me as Kishi's style. He's pretty expositional with the romantic subplot, sure, but not redundantly so, at least IMO.


So can you think of any good reason why he showed us that scene in the first place, in the middle of a war no less, if we learned nothing new or dramatic from it?

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 12:26 PM

Like i said before kishimoto really needs to explain that chapter , its so vague.
I still cant find a purpose to it .
that chapter bsh sakura's character because after sasuke tried to kill her two times she could not move on like Karin.

2# Forget that naruto will stop pursuing sasuke since its not the author that made it but the editor all the jump mangas are bound to the concept of nakama

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 02:56 PM

QUOTE (Thomas Narusaku @ Jan 4 2012, 04:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Like i said before kishimoto really needs to explain that chapter , its so vague.
I still cant find a purpose to it .
that chapter bsh sakura's character because after sasuke tried to kill her two times she could not move on like Karin.

2# Forget that naruto will stop pursuing sasuke since its not the author that made it but the editor all the jump mangas are bound to the concept of nakama


Your second choice Naruto DID stop chasing Sasuke he told him clearly if he tries to attack Konoha they will both fight and die that's a warning right there. He's not planning in bringing him back to the village anymore, now saving him from the hatred and revenge that's another story. As for your first choice I'm sure Kishi will eventually solve that chapter the problem is that right now he's focusing on the war we will have to wait after the war to figure out.
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 03:03 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Jan 4 2012, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Your second choice Naruto DID stop chasing Sasuke he told him clearly if he tries to attack Konoha they will both fight and die that's a warning right there. He's not planning in bringing him back to the village anymore, now saving him from the hatred and revenge that's another story. As for your first choice I'm sure Kishi will eventually solve that chapter the problem is that right now he's focusing on the war we will have to wait after the war to figure out.


i dont think he stopped pursuing sasuke , he wants to bring sasuke back to the village and that phrase "if we fight we will both die " is justa babbling i dont believe this.

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 06:26 PM

QUOTE (Kim @ Jan 4 2012, 03:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So can you think of any good reason why he showed us that scene in the first place, in the middle of a war no less, if we learned nothing new or dramatic from it?

Hmm, I guess I'm not very good at making predictions, but I'd say it was basically to reintroduce the romantic subplot before the final battle, which I'm guessing is when Kishi intends to resolve it. It could go in a million and one different directions, but I have a feeling Kishi will resolve the love triangle during, or right after, the final Naruto/Sasuke battle. So he's basically reintroducing Sakura's feelings during the war in order to start up that subplot again before that resolution (even though he seems to have forgotten about it already, LOL).

As for that scene itself, I can personally see something along the lines of Sakura flashing back to that love letter guy's comment happening at some point in the future. At the very least, I think the "...he must be a great guy..." comment has a lot of potential to help finally resolve the love triangle. But, again, I think there's a lot of different directions it could go. happy.gif

Edited by Boom...Winning, 04 January 2012 - 06:27 PM.

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