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[TouKen4Life3g]

She hugged him as a deep acknowledgement, it's just another of those scenes that leads to nothing, like Yamato's arc, it was so obvious due to the crowd reaction that was some kind of romance in the air, but Sakura didnt perceived that, that was the problem, it become a moment where the villagers acknowledged Naruto and the symbolism of Naruto receiving this acknowledgement in the form of a hug from his love interest, which makes the scene beautifull, Naruto being acknowledged by his love interest as a hero of the village.

Agreed. How many times you have seen a crowd of people surrounding the hero, only to be halted by a love interest or how both of them somehow sticks out from the rest.

[HauntedCake]

im sure on one thing, we will get some answers from sakura in the upcoming volumes for sure. im certain kishi has been informed about how big 469/540 is to his audience. 635 was a start but im sure that SS will have a confrontation

[TouKen4Life3g]

im sure on one thing, we will get some answers from sakura in the upcoming volumes for sure. im certain kishi has been informed about how big 469/540 is to his audience. 635 was a start but im sure that SS will have a confrontation

I think that part is getting a conclusion in this arc because it all began in 540, which is this arc and whenever you start something, you'll conclude it. Sadly, it's really going downhill, especially since Sasuke's jealousy will make him an kitten soon, and let's not forget, that moment made Sakura hurt and this will solidfy it more than it can be.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

 

The Series with this Pair is still going on and their are both alive at the moment though anything could happen, you should see how worried the fandom is for this pair.

 

What series is it?

[Superman333]

i just want Sakura to tell Sasuke GTFO . And finally acknowledge her love for Naruto . 

[sushi.]

i just want Sakura to tell Sasuke GTFO . And finally acknowledge her love for Naruto . 

I would rather want her to stay in character. She won't be agressive with Sasuke unless he does something to Naruto.

Edited by sushi., 07 September 2013 - 12:52 AM.

[Superman333]

I would rather want her to stay in character. She won't be agressive with Sasuke unless he does something to Naruto.

Sasuke will be doing something to Naruto that much I think is obvious . Thats why I know Sakura will be getting aggressive with Sasuke . 

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's crazy that she actually yelled at Sasuke for Naruto. I don't know why.

[Superman333]

It's crazy that she actually yelled at Sasuke for Naruto. I don't know why.

 That speaks volumes for me . she did it not once but twice and each time because Sasuke badmouthed Naruto . 

Edited by Superman333, 07 September 2013 - 01:52 AM.

[morgaine4]

thing is the hinata fans have blown everything out of proportion and now everything she does the fans of other pairings scrutinise her. Perhaps people would have enjoyed her presence and meager development more if there wouldnt be this pairing war. In another manga Beelzebub the author himself has made a love triangle more obvious and each time uses it in the story. In that series because of what I saw in the Naruto fandom I refuse to see if there is a pairing war.

 

I disliked Hinata because of her crappy non-development etc etc, wayyyy before I was an NS fan, and way before I checked out the online fandom (back when I was totally, blisfully ignorant of the Western Internet fandom for the manga)...but that's just me.  She annoyed me in part 1, but I thought she had a lot of potential.  And then part 2 came around and it seemed that either Kishimoto was too lazy to write for her, or he purposefully wrote her so that for the most part she would lag behind the others.  Considering it was only after Neji's death that we ever saw her improve, ever saw her meet some of her goals, it seems intentional.

 

 

Ok how about were do you want Naruto to kiss Sakura first when he finally does it, the forehead, checks or lips?

 

The forehead kiss seems most likely to happen canonically, because of Tsunade and Dan's two kisses, especially if Sakura is allowed to release her seal, especially since Kishi has been drawing Sakura's bangs messily, and especially after Chapter 3.  But, who knows?

 

 

What do you guys think made Sakura hug Naruto after the aftermath with the battle of Pain ?

 

It's pretty clear that through part 2 Sakura has been writing Sakura as if she does in fact love Naruot, but that she doesn't realize it, and for some reason emotionally/mentally she just can't realize it yet.  Nearly every time she shows her emotions for Naruto, she does so on an instinctive basis, and this is very important as Sakura is a memorizer and a thinker.

 

Back at the Tenchi bridge, she ran to Naruto because Kabuto was (unintentionally?) prodding her emotions and because when faced with the demon sealed into Naruto all she could see was Naruto, the person, at his best (and that's an important distinction for the very fact that when the villagers saw Naruto, the human...the child...they only saw the monster).  So she ran to him, and let him off the hook with respect to the promise.  But, later when reminded about "the promise" again, it seemed that she forgot that she let him off the hook.  It makes sense that Naruto wouldn't know about it, his memory of those events were completely muddled, but if Sakura ever actually "thought" about Naruto, wouldn't she have remembered?  But she didn't.  And then, once again during the Kage arc, Kishimoto made it clear that instinctively she's ready to do anything for Naruto.  She's willing to tell him she loves him (it's important that she looked uncomfortable when saying "I love you" to him, but when listing her reasons for loving Naruto, she seems comfortable...and it's not just because she'd moved so that she wouldn't have to look at him), she was willing to try to kill Sasuke, and she was willing to do it in such a way that all of Naruto's hatred and anger would be focused on her (hence, why she knocked the others out).  Kishimoto also made it clear during that time, that Sakura focused on her feelings for the old Sasuke, she tried to come to terms with them, understand what she's feeling for him, and that it's because of her memories of who she (thought) Sasuke is before he left, that she couldn't kill him.  But once again, during that time, she never once considered her feelings for Naruto.  She didn't ponder why she'd be willing to go so far --to the point that he'd hate her, and she'd lose that friendship.  Once again Kishimoto makes it clear that when it comes to whatever feelings she might or might no have for Naruto, she can't think about it.  She couldn't understand or ponder why or what Yamato or Sai were insinuating, she couldn't explore why she was willing to go so far for Naruto.

 

And I think that her hug was an instinctive reaction to the depth of her feelings for Naruto (regardless of the nature of those feelings).  If she thought about it, she never would have been so forward.  Additionally,she's hugging him and thanking him, because when she called, he came and was the hero, and actually lived up to her impossilbe expectations...she just doesn't realize any of this mentally.

 

 

I think you are looking at this through Sakura tinted glasses which is understandable as an NS fan however I think you are grossly overstating some of these points to arrive at your conclusion. What on earth does having bodyguards have to do with growth if anything having a pair of goons follow you around all the time would probably hinder feelings of independence. While being from a privileged family in our world gives people certain benefits I cant really see the benefits of it in the Narutoverse for the purposes of comparison she didn't have better gear or instruction as a shinobi that seems all provided through Konoha's Shinobi training, I suppose she did have specfic training on how to use the Byakugan but that's hardly outlandish. Even if Sakura did seek out Tsunade its not as if she had to fight to be Tsunade's apprectice she just walked in and asked and Tsunade agreed (because she saw potential I'm sure). When Hinata is referenced as an underdog it's usually as the underdog pairing or the underdog when compared to Neji, you need to look at the whole picture for a long time she wasn't even treated that great by her own family despite being the heir I mean they let Neji kick the ever living hell out of her in the Chunin exams. I guess my point in all this is that try and separate your dislike for the NH fandom with the actual character of Hinata because when you look at things objectively instead of trying to make the manga fit your argument you will find that you garner a better understanding of it in general. Remember we give NH a lot of flak for giving the story and Hinata centric tilt through interpretation all the time, lets try and avoid doing the same in an effort raise Sakura over Hinata, the story does that all by itself without our help.

 

I haven't been an NS fan very long, and I've analyzed Hinata as such for far longer than I've been an NS fan, so while I might be looking into this as a Sakura fan (though even that is unlikely, as there are several females I adore as written), my opinion has nothing to do with being an NS fan.

 

You are wrong about some things, the clan didn't let Neji nearly pulverize her.  The clan wasn't present, it was the instructors (Genma and the other Jounin) who let that go as far as it did.

 

Hinata was trained by her family, it's because she wasn't meeting her father's expectations that he had her even join a Genin squad with the insinuation being that because she's supposed to be the heir (or because she's a part of the main/leading family), her training should have been seperate, from within the clan.

 

The reason that it is important that Hinata still needed to be guarded as a 16 year old chuunin, is that even during the Pain Invasion when the other Rookie 9 were shown to be fighting alongside their families, and/or taking leadership roles (to directly contrast with the Sand and Sound invasion of Konoha), Kishimoto purposefully chose to show that Hinata had to be taken care of.

 

Now, none of that means that Hinata hasn't grown, she just hadn't grown significantly as a character until around 615, and even that growth was totally dependant upon Naruto's character (and that's what you're missing, or that's where I wasn't clear enough.  When I talk about Hinata being dependent, I'm discussing the fact that her entire character arc is dependent upon Naruto, despite the fact that she could have had an awesome character story that's completely unrelated to Naruto Kishimoto chose to to have Hinata's character be about Naruto, and for the most part only Naruto).  But still, that moment was important, she was awesome when she slapped him and when she delivered that speech.  She was the best suited person to do so, and while it annoyed me that after delivering that speech Kishimoto had the character back track and obsess over Naruto's big, strong, hand, I still love that moment and love that she took a stand and would not allow Naruto to wallow in self-pity.  Still not a fan of the character as written, but that moment was and is golden (IMO).

 

As to your claim that just because being a part of a privileged family in our world, we can't say that that true for that world, well I agree with the logic of that logic; however, it's not because of the way in which privilege works in our world that it's clear that being a member of a privileged clan in the Naruto-verse gives one an automatic power boost.  Look at all the Rookie 9, in most situations each of them use jutsu based off of their clan's special abilities, and the way they think, plan, and act reflects upon characteristics of their respective clans.  It's clear that having a tie to a powerful clan offers ninja an advantage.  They have access to a wealth of secret techniques, they'll have a head start in when they're taught how to use such techniques, they're chakra will probably have some sort of affiliation with odd techniques (such as the Yamanaka clan's mind transfer techniques, and the Nara clan's shadow-related techniques).  Sakura didn't have any of that, and while she didn't have to fight Tsunade (because Tsunade felt Sakura had the right equipment, and frankly probably largely because of Tsunade's affection for Naruto), the fact that she thought to apprentice with Tsunade was a major step (who else, of the Rookie 9 or Konoha 12 did as much?  Ino, perhaps.  Maybe Sasuke or Naruto, but Sasuke was approached first, and Naruto was trained by Jiraiya because of his relationship with Naruto's parents.).

[SkiesEagle]

It's pretty clear that through part 2 Sakura has been writing Sakura as if she does in fact love Naruot, but that she doesn't realize it, and for some reason emotionally/mentally she just can't realize it yet.  Nearly every time she shows her emotions for Naruto, she does so on an instinctive basis, and this is very important as Sakura is a memorizer and a thinker.

 

Back at the Tenchi bridge, she ran to Naruto because Kabuto was (unintentionally?) prodding her emotions and because when faced with the demon sealed into Naruto all she could see was Naruto, the person, at his best (and that's an important distinction for the very fact that when the villagers saw Naruto, the human...the child...they only saw the monster).  So she ran to him, and let him off the hook with respect to the promise.  But, later when reminded about "the promise" again, it seemed that she forgot that she let him off the hook.  It makes sense that Naruto wouldn't know about it, his memory of those events were completely muddled, but if Sakura ever actually "thought" about Naruto, wouldn't she have remembered?  But she didn't.  And then, once again during the Kage arc, Kishimoto made it clear that instinctively she's ready to do anything for Naruto.  She's willing to tell him she loves him (it's important that she looked uncomfortable when saying "I love you" to him, but when listing her reasons for loving Naruto, she seems comfortable...and it's not just because she'd moved so that she wouldn't have to look at him), she was willing to try to kill Sasuke, and she was willing to do it in such a way that all of Naruto's hatred and anger would be focused on her (hence, why she knocked the others out).  Kishimoto also made it clear during that time, that Sakura focused on her feelings for the old Sasuke, she tried to come to terms with them, understand what she's feeling for him, and that it's because of her memories of who she (thought) Sasuke is before he left, that she couldn't kill him.  But once again, during that time, she never once considered her feelings for Naruto.  She didn't ponder why she'd be willing to go so far --to the point that he'd hate her, and she'd lose that friendship.  Once again Kishimoto makes it clear that when it comes to whatever feelings she might or might no have for Naruto, she can't think about it.  She couldn't understand or ponder why or what Yamato or Sai were insinuating, she couldn't explore why she was willing to go so far for Naruto.

 

And I think that her hug was an instinctive reaction to the depth of her feelings for Naruto (regardless of the nature of those feelings).  If she thought about it, she never would have been so forward.  Additionally,she's hugging him and thanking him, because when she called, he came and was the hero, and actually lived up to her impossilbe expectations...she just doesn't realize any of this mentally.

 

Bolded: That's why Sakura didn't look at Naruto in eyes contact. She didn't tell Naruto fully how she feel because she wasn't ready. She does looks like a bit bashful when she look away at his face when she mention "I love you" part.

[Inferno180]

 

Its no just you it seems , I see it overall , denial , ignorance , arrogance ... Bah , its gonna hurt not that it doesn't right now .

That's what i told fellow NS shippers on Tumblr they hate Sakura 's guts so she must suffer for what she has done to Naruto fail fession, still lovin Sasuke , 540 . - _ -

I don't know , i just ...

Here is topic to talk, maybe we've talked about it already , but meh .

What do you guys think made Sakura hug Naruto after the aftermath with the battle of Pain ?

Others wanted Hinata to do it what pushed her, what drove her , if she hasn't got any feelings for him , yes she was happy/relieved  that he is alive ,but is there something beyond that ?

 

Well Sakura in 450 was just following standard tsundere development, usually getting closer after some big trail, 450 was a significant scene because it was the first of that type of stuff from her to him, it was the most significant since the POAL where he promised her. Sakura never hugged Naruto so yeah it was significant for that. Among the reasons why, she thought he was foolish but thankful for all he did. Was Sakura jealous of Hinata? Well we can only leave it at a maybe. I mean this would then reason that the Yamato stuff would come into play as the first sect of Sakura's feelings towards naruto. Either way though Hinata didn't make an issue out of the hug scene, don't know why the NH fans do. Just as Naruto is happy for Sakura being happy, Hinata follows the same for Naruto. I mean the whole concept of the pairing stuff was open for a long time, but seriously, the mark on an ending pairing has been made.

 

1st Kishi said in a very old interview that there would be one case of the love returned

2nd, he revealed this and made good on that speculation years later, with the final words of Kushina, the pairing would be Naruto and some girl, the clue was "someone like Kushina"

3rd, we got 631 to give more notion to the 2nd reason. Sakura=Kushina as minato noted. Sakura is the only girl compared to Kushina currently, matters not how big or small that moment, its still the only one of its kind so far.

 

With this notion and other stuff like this idea of Sakura progressing towards Naruto well Yamato and Sai definitely had impact, but Hinata could ironically also be involved in the progression of NH and many could not be aware of it. If Sakura's trait of Sasuke love is to change, well character development 101, she wouldn't keep the love the entire storyline otherwise she would still hate Naruto as well by all logic. She is a main character, of course she needs to progress. So what about Hinata? Well she has her own plot points for her individuality but when she has corrlation with other characters, Naruto and Neji are the prime ones. With Neji gone, Naruto is all that remains otherwise she is just a side fodder pairing character, just there for the sake of convinvne. This would mean if Sakura actually did get axed or stick to Sasuke (neither of which will happen) then well yeah, Hinata would have been reduced to this a fodder pairing stock character, simply around just to have something for convince in the long run without any real importance to the plot.

 

Guess this brings us back to the point of how does Hinata factor into NS? Well Yamato and Sai's words had some impact on Sakura, moreso Sai. However Hinata could have caused the biggest subconscious impact. What I mean is from pain and if the Sakura panel in 615 had anything of significance, perhaps she could be a driving factor of Sakura being concerned for Naruto in the long run of things, possibly being another factor in her moving towards Naruto but subconsciously, Sakura could start to love Naruto but not realize it yet. There are 2 sides to NaruSaku, Naruto loving Sakura and Sakura needing to love Naruto, Sakura has loved Sasuke for the longest time, yet character development eventually led to 635, and look what came there Sakura not trusting Sasuke. If Sakura drifts away from Sasuke, thats a break in the love triangle. It still stands as funny to me that Sakura is the only one who knows the love triangle, she knows how Hinata feels about Naruto, how Naruto feels about her, and how she feels about Sasuke, yet Naruto has no idea about Sakura being aware. Is Hinata even aware of the feelings of the other 2? It's kinda funny like that. But yes, Sakura could have possibly been impacted by Hinata in a minor sense.

[Dalton.T.R]

You know what I find amusing?

 

Even in real life, a boy and a girl who fight like Naruto and Sakura usually end up together anyway 

[LadyGT]

I always wondered why Kishimoto made Sakura hug Naruto in chapter 450. If you think about it, that would have been the perfect chance to develop Naruhina if he really wanted to go for that route.
I'll be honest, I was prepared for a massive NH moment back then, after reading everywhere comments like "OMG NH iz gonna be canon!!!!1 Naruto's gonna give her the bouquet! Aww" but damn, I definitely didn't expect such epic trollage!

[TouKen4Life3g]

I always wondered why Kishimoto made Sakura hug Naruto in chapter 450. If you think about it, that would have been the perfect chance to develop Naruhina if he really wanted to go for that route.
I'll be honest, I was prepared for a massive NH moment back then, after reading everywhere comments like "OMG NH iz gonna be canon!!!!1 Naruto's gonna give her the bouquet! Aww" but damn, I definitely didn't expect such epic trollage!

Oh yeah, I talked about this a while back and trust me, I thought the exact same thing about it. It was the most perfect moment for NH, but it didn't happen and that tells me that NH isn't and never made to happen from Kishi.

[Jake]

I always wondered why Kishimoto made Sakura hug Naruto in chapter 450. If you think about it, that would have been the perfect chance to develop Naruhina if he really wanted to go for that route.
I'll be honest, I was prepared for a massive NH moment back then, after reading everywhere comments like "OMG NH iz gonna be canon!!!!1 Naruto's gonna give her the bouquet! Aww" but damn, I definitely didn't expect such epic trollage!

 

I guess that bouquet proves that Jiraiya is more important to Naruto then Hinata is.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I always wondered why Kishimoto made Sakura hug Naruto in chapter 450. If you think about it, that would have been the perfect chance to develop Naruhina if he really wanted to go for that route.
I'll be honest, I was prepared for a massive NH moment back then, after reading everywhere comments like "OMG NH iz gonna be canon!!!!1 Naruto's gonna give her the bouquet! Aww" but damn, I definitely didn't expect such epic trollage!

I wasnt a shipper when that moment come out and things like this never crossed my mind.

I knew he would use those bouquets to pay homage or something like this but giving bouquet to Hinata, never crossed my mind.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 September 2013 - 09:41 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I wasnt a shipper when that moment come out and things like this never crossed my mind.
I knew he would use those bouquets to pay homage or something like this but giving bouquet to Hinata, never crossed my mind.

I'll be honest, I wasn't thinking too much of the story when the arc ended because I was thinking what is Naruto's next move, so NF actually got me thinking the bouquet to Hinata. Then, everything changes when the spoiler attacked. Only biased fan translation, master of trolling, can change it. But when the fans needed the most, that fan vanished.

I wonder if anyone got the rhythm.

[T XD]

Hinata's characters is meant to be that way. It has to be in progress, but her personality will never change.

 

Pretty much in all the manga and animes, there's a Hinata. A shy, stuttering, in love or infatuated with the hero girl, and they would be either side character or main character, but not the number one main female character cause it's always a tsundere. These characters journey is based on moving on from either their infatuation or love, and to be more strong. For a main character, she'll have more than this. But, for a side character, she'll have just these two objectives. The author takes those flaws in such side character all the way through the manga when he wants to show the character till he puts her on the track to start moving on then, by choice, her resolve is shown to be done or not. If not, it means when we'll see her gradually after or at the end, it won't be related to the hero, but rather to the character itself.

 

Hinata's character is just to move on from Naruto, and be more strong. More strong doesn't necessarily mean strong in combat. It can be that and/or more independent as in not revolving around the hero mostly anymore. Kishi was using these flaws all these times when she shows up then lately, we are seeing that she has done some progress then, afterwards, either Kishi will show her moving on or not.

 

That's her character and that's how she rolls. Picking on Hinata, or why this and why that, is like saying why Sakura hits Naruto and has a temper without knowing or ignoring that she's a tsundere.

Edited by T XD, 07 September 2013 - 11:59 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I'll be honest, I wasn't thinking too much of the story when the arc ended because I was thinking what is Naruto's next move, so NF actually got me thinking the bouquet to Hinata. Then, everything changes when the spoiler attacked. Only biased fan translation, master of trolling, can change it. But when the fans needed the most, that fan vanished.

I wonder if anyone got the rhythm.

I never liked her character even when i wasnt a shipper, i disliked her character concept, i dont know why she has this popularity, she doesnt have any appeal.

But even since when i wasnt a shipper i never found a chemistry on Naruto and Hinata, there's no chemistry on them they simply dont match up or compliment each other.