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[FoolishYoungling]

So I think they might do something about her illness.

-Sanji to fix cake - Greatest cook

-Chopper to fix her illness - Greatest Doctor

-Nami could stop her storm if Big Mom makes that happen.

-Luffy and rest hold her back from citizens.

[AHK]

There we go. Now the prediction is looking a lot better. Big Mom has finally done it. She will turn on her own people. Now why in the world would Luffy run from someone killing innocent civilians? What a boring end to an arc when Luffy and the others just run away with no resistance. They will aid the Big Mom Pirates, and it will begin what will be the alliance for the war to come against Kaido.

 

I predicted all this as far back as when Kaido roared out to start the greatest war. Only part I missed was the Big Mom turning against her people part. I heard Youtubers talking about how it would be the case, but I only predicted Luffy would get Big Mom on his side.

 

I knew Luffy would have to find a way to get a Yonko's crew on his side before Wano Arc. No way Luffy goes from barely beating Doflamingo (with help getting back up), to barely beating Cracker (with a 2v1 most of the time), to defeating a crew with Jack, two higher commanders, Kaido, and several supernova.

And how does it support your argument in the slightest? 

 

Luffy and his crew are not hero's, they're not inclined to save everyone they come across. Most of the time they've been saved as a byproduct of Luffy helping just one person. He saved Dressrosa because of his involvement with Law, and later Rebecca. Not because the entire country was in danger. 

 

Not to mention you seem to forget the fact that Big Mom is one chapter removed from wanting to slay Luffy's face. He ruined her celebration, he broke her prize possession, he crushed one of her commanders. She has no reason to forgive him. It's more likely that she will chase him to Wano, and we'll get a massive battle there.

 

And the bottom line is that Luffy does not want an alliance with a Yonko. He does not want to be under a Yonko, especially not before he's established himself. So your point doesn't make any sense. 

 

-Sanji to fix cake - Greatest cook

-Chopper to fix her illness - Greatest Doctor

-Nami could stop her storm if Big Mom makes that happen.

-Luffy and rest hold her back from citizens.

 

LOL

 

Chopper can heal psychological illnesses now, and Nami can completely stop the storm produced by a Yonko. 

 

Nice try.

Edited by AHK, 12 July 2017 - 05:57 PM.

[sushi.]

^To me it can go two ways, and I question both of them. Luffy&co are heroes, they just don't classify themselves as such. Wherever they go they end up saving people, even though they're just seeking adventure. They only need a friend to be in danger and they'll save the whole country. That isn't a big deal, but they're quite injured and there won't be time unless the arc is longer than planned.

 

A bigger problem that I cannot find a solution to, is how to hold off BM until they're done with Kaido. She won't be raging until the end of Wano arc, and Zeff is still a hostage. So even if they escape from WCI they can't escape BM they way they plan on doing. If they simply leave and fight her when they are ready, this will be a plothole. She won't be waiting, she'll be coming for them as soon as she calms down.

 

Lastly no one said Luffy would become a BM subordinate? It's just that he won't leave as an enemy but with friendly relations with at least her crew, even if not BM herself. Even if BM hates Luffy now, if he ends up saving WCI her entire crew will be indebted to him.

[FoolishYoungling]

How else is Big Mom stopped? The only way to stop her is to give her a perfect wedding cake. Nobody on the island except for a cook of unbelievable talent could make it in such a short time. This goes perfect with this arc, as the Vinsmokes told Sanji never to cook for someone who isn't royalty, and Zeff told him to cook for everybody if they need it. Big Mom NEEDS it. Whole Cake Island NEEDS it. Everyone will die there if she isn't given her perfect cake. This crew doesn't let that crap happen. If Luffy ran from this, letting thousands die to escape when his crew could help, then he wouldn't deserve to be pirate king. Sanji is the one who can make the cake.

 

Where is Nami going to shine? She never gets any 1v1 fights, and this would be perfect. Everyone needs to hold her back while Sanji cooks, and the storms she can make are no joke. Nami is one of the few members of the Pirate King's crew. If she's such a hotshot when it comes to weather, she better be able to combat the storm. Maybe not, but I think this would make Nami look amazing, and I believe she could do this. As for Chopper, there are drugs in this story that make kids much bigger. I'm sure Chopper could come up with something. If not now, later. If not, oh well.

 

Kaido's war is about to happen. Luffy's gear fourth was doing almost nothing to Cracker until Nami gave Luffy an extreme advantage. Big Mom didn't suffer a scratch or any knock-back from it. What in the world is Luffy gonna do in Wano? Even if Luffy got 3x stronger in Wano, it wouldn't be enough. It would be pretty boring to see Luffy get knocked down every single arc in the Yonko Saga. I don't even know if Luffy and Zoro together could beat Jack, who is the 4th strongest in Kaido's crew. They need Marco and Big Mom if they're going to do something about Kaido.

 

An alliance would make Luffy and Big Mom equals. And before you say she can't be forgiven for what she has done, remember the Vinsmokes were scum of the world who were compared to Nazis by the fanbase, and now they are being restored. Everywhere Luffy goes becomes a better place. The fake news spun by the government painted Germa 66 as villains, and then they actually became villains. Now Judge is jumping in front of attacks, and letting Sanji live his own life? Really? The same Judge who Oda won't show the face of because he obviously has Sanji's eyebrows. Slowly but surely setting them up to be allies of Luffy, and maybe even in his Grand Fleet. I mean, is it really fair for Reiju to be stuck with a bad group of people?

[Bail o' Lies]

It looks like Big Mom is about to go crazy and start eating her whole family.

 

For the conversation above: Brook has shown that his devil fruit power can counter Big Mom's.

[Phantom_999]

How else is Big Mom stopped? The only way to stop her is to give her a perfect wedding cake. Nobody on the island except for a cook of unbelievable talent could make it in such a short time. This goes perfect with this arc, as the Vinsmokes told Sanji never to cook for someone who isn't royalty, and Zeff told him to cook for everybody if they need it. Big Mom NEEDS it. Whole Cake Island NEEDS it. Everyone will die there if she isn't given her perfect cake. This crew doesn't let that crap happen. If Luffy ran from this, letting thousands die to escape when his crew could help, then he wouldn't deserve to be pirate king. Sanji is the one who can make the cake.

 

Where is Nami going to shine? She never gets any 1v1 fights, and this would be perfect. Everyone needs to hold her back while Sanji cooks, and the storms she can make are no joke. Nami is one of the few members of the Pirate King's crew. If she's such a hotshot when it comes to weather, she better be able to combat the storm. Maybe not, but I think this would make Nami look amazing, and I believe she could do this. As for Chopper, there are drugs in this story that make kids much bigger. I'm sure Chopper could come up with something. If not now, later. If not, oh well.

 

Kaido's war is about to happen. Luffy's gear fourth was doing almost nothing to Cracker until Nami gave Luffy an extreme advantage. Big Mom didn't suffer a scratch or any knock-back from it. What in the world is Luffy gonna do in Wano? Even if Luffy got 3x stronger in Wano, it wouldn't be enough. It would be pretty boring to see Luffy get knocked down every single arc in the Yonko Saga. I don't even know if Luffy and Zoro together could beat Jack, who is the 4th strongest in Kaido's crew. They need Marco and Big Mom if they're going to do something about Kaido.

 

An alliance would make Luffy and Big Mom equals. And before you say she can't be forgiven for what she has done, remember the Vinsmokes were scum of the world who were compared to Nazis by the fanbase, and now they are being restored. Everywhere Luffy goes becomes a better place. The fake news spun by the government painted Germa 66 as villains, and then they actually became villains. Now Judge is jumping in front of attacks, and letting Sanji live his own life? Really? The same Judge who Oda won't show the face of because he obviously has Sanji's eyebrows. Slowly but surely setting them up to be allies of Luffy, and maybe even in his Grand Fleet. I mean, is it really fair for Reiju to be stuck with a bad group of people?

 

"Give her her bloody cake?"

[sushi.]

 
"Give her her bloody cake?"

They need to pull a Jinbe 2.0 because as seen before no one from BM's crew can hold her down when she's raging, and she might even eat some subordinates in the next chapter. A lot of citizens are covered in cake ingredients because of Streussen, and she already killed a son but probably has no idea.

The ingredients for the cake was so carefully selected and it took a week to make it tho. So it won't be easy..

[FoolishYoungling]

 

"Give her her bloody cake?"

Which doesn't exist. Oda made a point to say that anything Streussen makes with his devil fruit doesn't taste great. Would take the best cook in the world to give her the perfect cake in a hour. That is Sanji.

[rocci]

She will eat the entire land.

I don't think they will join with sh to fight kaido. It will be sh & wano warrior vs kaido.

Edited by rocci, 13 July 2017 - 06:59 AM.

[hinataiscreepy]

I honestly can't wait for reverie since this arc is coming to a close.

 

Hopefully, we get to see Smoker and Tashigi finally meeting up with Vegapunk. 

[AHK]

How else is Big Mom stopped? The only way to stop her is to give her a perfect wedding cake. Nobody on the island except for a cook of unbelievable talent could make it in such a short time. This goes perfect with this arc, as the Vinsmokes told Sanji never to cook for someone who isn't royalty, and Zeff told him to cook for everybody if they need it. Big Mom NEEDS it. Whole Cake Island NEEDS it. Everyone will die there if she isn't given her perfect cake. This crew doesn't let that crap happen. If Luffy ran from this, letting thousands die to escape when his crew could help, then he wouldn't deserve to be pirate king. Sanji is the one who can make the cake.

 

Where is Nami going to shine? She never gets any 1v1 fights, and this would be perfect. Everyone needs to hold her back while Sanji cooks, and the storms she can make are no joke. Nami is one of the few members of the Pirate King's crew. If she's such a hotshot when it comes to weather, she better be able to combat the storm. Maybe not, but I think this would make Nami look amazing, and I believe she could do this. As for Chopper, there are drugs in this story that make kids much bigger. I'm sure Chopper could come up with something. If not now, later. If not, oh well.

 

Kaido's war is about to happen. Luffy's gear fourth was doing almost nothing to Cracker until Nami gave Luffy an extreme advantage. Big Mom didn't suffer a scratch or any knock-back from it. What in the world is Luffy gonna do in Wano? Even if Luffy got 3x stronger in Wano, it wouldn't be enough. It would be pretty boring to see Luffy get knocked down every single arc in the Yonko Saga. I don't even know if Luffy and Zoro together could beat Jack, who is the 4th strongest in Kaido's crew. They need Marco and Big Mom if they're going to do something about Kaido.

 

An alliance would make Luffy and Big Mom equals. And before you say she can't be forgiven for what she has done, remember the Vinsmokes were scum of the world who were compared to Nazis by the fanbase, and now they are being restored. Everywhere Luffy goes becomes a better place. The fake news spun by the government painted Germa 66 as villains, and then they actually became villains. Now Judge is jumping in front of attacks, and letting Sanji live his own life? Really? The same Judge who Oda won't show the face of because he obviously has Sanji's eyebrows. Slowly but surely setting them up to be allies of Luffy, and maybe even in his Grand Fleet. I mean, is it really fair for Reiju to be stuck with a bad group of people?

Yeah. None of this makes any sense.

 

First of all, you're projecting what you want to see from Sanji on the narrative of the arc, and it makes zero sense. There is zero reason for Sanji to make a cake for Big Mom. Their objective was to get in, get Sanji, and get out. It's time for them to leave. In case you forgot, the other half of their crew, as well as some of their friends (Law) are on an island that is occupied by Kaido. They've accomplished their goal, and it's time for them to leave. Not to mention, the most absurd thing is that you seem to think that this is the first time Big Mom has ever flipped into a food craze. You seem to think that her crew had never dealt with something like this before. You seem to think that Struessen is so inexperienced, despite being with that crew for so long, that he can't do anything. It makes zero sense for them not to be able to do anything such that Sanji has to come swooping in to save someone that wants his captain dead. You ignore BM's crew, who have been with her for a long time and have probably been through this multiple times, merely to inflate Sanji's purpose. It makes no sense narrative wise. 

 

Nami can shine in Wano, you know, where they need to get to? Regardless, Nami herself confirmed that all she can do is manipulate the storms that BM produce, she can't completely stop them. Funny how you try on one hand and say that Luffy is too weak yet try and say that Nami can compete with BM's storms. As for Chopper, making kids grow and completely curing a mental disease are two separate things. 

 

As for Luffy, Luffy wasn't trying to beat BM or even hurt her when they clashed. Not even remotely. He confirmed this when he literally said, word for word, that he was only going in for one punch. This entire time, Luffy's only goal has been to get Sanji and leave. He hasn't been trying to fight anyone. As for G4 itself, your statement regarding it is false. He broke through Cracker's armament easily with it, even before Nami had started. Cracker was stalling Luffy, trying to get him to run out of energy. Nami only softened the crackers with rain so that he could eat them, not because he couldn't damage them with G4. We saw what happened when Cracker finally decided to square up against G4, he ended up in BM's lap. I'm not saying that G4 is enough to beat a Yonko, but you severely underestimate it. Not to mention, Luffy came up with the idea for G4 in 6 months. He had already began to develop King Kong Gun within those 6 months. That leaves him 18 months in which to come up with other ideas. If you think that Luffy doesn't have another technique, one that offers him quite a significant amount more power that he'd have confidence to beat a Yonko, that's your fault. 

 

An alliance wouldn't make them equals. The world would see him under BM, not as her equal. This was confirmed with how they saw the allied captains in relation to WB, as well as what happened on Dressrosa with Law, where Fujitora asked Law if Luffy was his subordinate. They would not be equals. That was also a concern of Luffy's when he first heard about the wedding. You're wrong. As far as the fanbase, who the hell cares about what they thought? The idea that they even tried to compare the Vinsmokes to the Nazi's shows the level of intelligence of the people you're talking about. The very idea is dumb that one could equate their actions to the ones taken by the Nazi's. And yes, it is fair for Reiju to be stuck with them, especially if they change. Not to mention that she isn't such a good person herself. The Vinsmokes being set up to be allied members, as you think, still has nothing to do with whether or not BM and Luffy will be allied. 

 

It makes zero sense for them to be allied with BM, from a narrative standpoint. 

[FoolishYoungling]

Yeah. None of this makes any sense.

 

First of all, you're projecting what you want to see from Sanji on the narrative of the arc, and it makes zero sense. There is zero reason for Sanji to make a cake for Big Mom. Their objective was to get in, get Sanji, and get out. It's time for them to leave. In case you forgot, the other half of their crew, as well as some of their friends (Law) are on an island that is occupied by Kaido. They've accomplished their goal, and it's time for them to leave. Not to mention, the most absurd thing is that you seem to think that this is the first time Big Mom has ever flipped into a food craze. You seem to think that her crew had never dealt with something like this before. You seem to think that Struessen is so inexperienced, despite being with that crew for so long, that he can't do anything. It makes zero sense for them not to be able to do anything such that Sanji has to come swooping in to save someone that wants his captain dead. You ignore BM's crew, who have been with her for a long time and have probably been through this multiple times, merely to inflate Sanji's purpose. It makes no sense narrative wise. 

 

Nami can shine in Wano, you know, where they need to get to? Regardless, Nami herself confirmed that all she can do is manipulate the storms that BM produce, she can't completely stop them. Funny how you try on one hand and say that Luffy is too weak yet try and say that Nami can compete with BM's storms. As for Chopper, making kids grow and completely curing a mental disease are two separate things. 

 

As for Luffy, Luffy wasn't trying to beat BM or even hurt her when they clashed. Not even remotely. He confirmed this when he literally said, word for word, that he was only going in for one punch. This entire time, Luffy's only goal has been to get Sanji and leave. He hasn't been trying to fight anyone. As for G4 itself, your statement regarding it is false. He broke through Cracker's armament easily with it, even before Nami had started. Cracker was stalling Luffy, trying to get him to run out of energy. Nami only softened the crackers with rain so that he could eat them, not because he couldn't damage them with G4. We saw what happened when Cracker finally decided to square up against G4, he ended up in BM's lap. I'm not saying that G4 is enough to beat a Yonko, but you severely underestimate it. Not to mention, Luffy came up with the idea for G4 in 6 months. He had already began to develop King Kong Gun within those 6 months. That leaves him 18 months in which to come up with other ideas. If you think that Luffy doesn't have another technique, one that offers him quite a significant amount more power that he'd have confidence to beat a Yonko, that's your fault. 

 

An alliance wouldn't make them equals. The world would see him under BM, not as her equal. This was confirmed with how they saw the allied captains in relation to WB, as well as what happened on Dressrosa with Law, where Fujitora asked Law if Luffy was his subordinate. They would not be equals. That was also a concern of Luffy's when he first heard about the wedding. You're wrong. As far as the fanbase, who the hell cares about what they thought? The idea that they even tried to compare the Vinsmokes to the Nazi's shows the level of intelligence of the people you're talking about. The very idea is dumb that one could equate their actions to the ones taken by the Nazi's. And yes, it is fair for Reiju to be stuck with them, especially if they change. Not to mention that she isn't such a good person herself. The Vinsmokes being set up to be allied members, as you think, still has nothing to do with whether or not BM and Luffy will be allied. 

 

It makes zero sense for them to be allied with BM, from wing ua narrative standpoint. 

It took Struessen weeks with the perfect ingredients to make the cake she wanted. How is he going to do it in a hour? His devil fruit can't help speed it up. It would take them days to reach Wano. What wrong will showing up 2 hours later do? People need saving, so Luffy isn't leaving until they're saved. One way or another, the Straw Hats will save the day even if they don't mean to.

 

Storms are Nami's entire combat. Big Mom can't make storms like Dragon can, so this isn't the craziest storms in the series. It's just very powerful, so maybe Nami can show off by countering it. Bear in mind she wouldn't be facing off against Big Mom, just the storm in the sky. Probably won't happen, but it's a prediction.

 

G4 did nothing to Big Mom, so that's that. It also took Luffy eating Cracker to not run out of stamina. Remember Cracker only had to attack because he was out of stamina himself, and couldn't make much more cracker. WIthout Nami, Luffy couldn't of kept running and eating away hundreds of his cracker men. He would of wore out ages before Cracker did. Luffy isn't jumping from 500,000,000 to someone worthy of billions of berry with 1 nice little trick. He doesn't have a much stronger attack, because if he did he would of used it on Doflamingo. He needs to climb his way up. First, passing some Yonko commanders, then in later arcs beating Yonkos. We aren't getting a Luffy stronger than any Yonko in 2018. Kaido would laugh at G4 hitting him.

 

The world already sees him below her. The world saw Luffy below Law too (higher bounty with it also frozen), and they made an alliance just fine. If they ever joined forces, I'm sure Luffy would tell her that he isn't beneath her or something along those lines. The woman believes in everyone of all races coming together. Obviously she is going to be redeemed. That's just way to obvious. It could happen now in this arc or later, but Luffy will not always consider her an enemy. At least not fully. If there is good in them, Luffy will always become somewhat of a friend to them. Happened with Crocodile and he was just a villain 100% at one point. Same with Bellamy. Luffy isn't escaping her territory without helping her, or letting thousands to millions die.

[AHK]

It took Struessen weeks with the perfect ingredients to make the cake she wanted. How is he going to do it in a hour? His devil fruit can't help speed it up. It would take them days to reach Wano. What wrong will showing up 2 hours later do? People need saving, so Luffy isn't leaving until they're saved. One way or another, the Straw Hats will save the day even if they don't mean to.

 

Storms are Nami's entire combat. Big Mom can't make storms like Dragon can, so this isn't the craziest storms in the series. It's just very powerful, so maybe Nami can show off by countering it. Bear in mind she wouldn't be facing off against Big Mom, just the storm in the sky. Probably won't happen, but it's a prediction.

 

G4 did nothing to Big Mom, so that's that. It also took Luffy eating Cracker to not run out of stamina. Remember Cracker only had to attack because he was out of stamina himself, and couldn't make much more cracker. WIthout Nami, Luffy couldn't of kept running and eating away hundreds of his cracker men. He would of wore out ages before Cracker did. Luffy isn't jumping from 500,000,000 to someone worthy of billions of berry with 1 nice little trick. He doesn't have a much stronger attack, because if he did he would of used it on Doflamingo. He needs to climb his way up. First, passing some Yonko commanders, then in later arcs beating Yonkos. We aren't getting a Luffy stronger than any Yonko in 2018. Kaido would laugh at G4 hitting him.

 

The world already sees him below her. The world saw Luffy below Law too (higher bounty with it also frozen), and they made an alliance just fine. If they ever joined forces, I'm sure Luffy would tell her that he isn't beneath her or something along those lines. The woman believes in everyone of all races coming together. Obviously she is going to be redeemed. That's just way to obvious. It could happen now in this arc or later, but Luffy will not always consider her an enemy. At least not fully. If there is good in them, Luffy will always become somewhat of a friend to them. Happened with Crocodile and he was just a villain 100% at one point. Same with Bellamy. Luffy isn't escaping her territory without helping her, or letting thousands to millions die.

What makes Sanji any more special than Struessen? Get real. There is ZERO reason for them to stay behind. BM's crew isn't a rookie crew. BM's crew has dealt with this more than one time. They don't need Luffy's help with it. Luffy doesn't owe them anything, and nobody on that island is more important than the latter half of their crew.

 

Big Mom can't make storms like Dragon can? She is a Yonko! One of the 4 strongest pirates sailing the seas. Creating storms is one of her main powers lmao. Nami already said that she can't beat the storm. 

 

Yes, it did nothing to Big Mom, and Luffy wasn't trying to do anything to Big Mom. He clearly said that he wasn't trying to do anything to Big Mom. Cracker attacked because he was tired of going back and forth. Nami didn't make it easier for Luffy to hurt Cracker, she helped him in regards to Cracker's hit and run game. She helped him to be able to stall like Cracker. Cracker had no chance if they would have gone straight up, as we saw. Also, if he has something stronger, he wouldn't have used it against Doflamingo regardless for two reasons. Number one, G4 was more than enough. Doflamingo couldn't do a damn thing against G4. Secondly, if G4's penalty is 10 minutes without being able to use Haki, then the penalty for something exponentially stronger would be much greater. It makes no sense for him to use anything other than G4 on Doflamingo, because G4 was already overkill to begin with. Luffy could tell how strong Doflamingo was. He didn't need anything more.

 

No, Law had to tell Fujitora specifically that Luffy and he were in an alliance, else it would have been seen that Luffy was his underling. The news had already reported it, thanks to Doflamingo, but the Marines needed confirmation. If the world already sees him below her, than that's a problem. Luffy does not want to be seen as someone's underling. He made that clear many times. It does not make sense for him to ally himself with BM. Your comparison to Crocodile is ridiculous. He was not redeemed. He and Luffy were still enemies, which Luffy confirmed by stopping him from attacking WB. Also, if Luffy were to go under BM's wing, that means that the rest of his alliance would to, which they don't want. 

 

Not only is the bold false, but it is a blatant exaggeration, and a bit of a straw man in the sense that you completely ignore the impact of BM's crew. First, there aren't "thousands to millions" of people on WCI. Secondly, BM's crew already knows how to deal with her. Third, her and Luffy are enemies. Fourth, they are needed in Wano by the rest of their friends and alliance urgently to deal with Kaido. 

 

Again, nothing you suggested makes any sense from a narrative perspective. 

[BlueStarSaber]

I'd sooner believe Ace comes back to life than Luffy and Big Mom working together

[sushi.]

The BM pirates might be used to her rage, but they never know how to control it unless they have what she wants. You see Smoothie sweating when she realizes what's happening, and I believe this rage is stronger than the others. Last time BM randomly craved a croquembouche - now she's been looking forward to the wedding cake that was carefully prepared for a long time. It's a bigger loss, and she was already very angry so this rampage might be her biggest yet.

 

I don't believe Nami can beat BM's storms, but she might temper them a bit. Prometheus and Zeus aren't her strongest powers, and Brook held his ground against them. They're just accessories, and it's only she in person who's invincible.

 

I predict;

- Pudding will edit BM's memories, perhaps her memories of the SHs. Her fruit is just way too convenient to not be used.

- SHs will help Whole cake island. It doesn't matter if they know the people or not, because from a story perspective Oda would never write the SHs leave an island in need of help. I think Sanji might take the initiative because he is a white knight and he cares for Pudding.

- SHs won't BM's allies or subordinates, they'll just be on friendly enough terms to be allowed to leave the island. I don't think BM will help them against Kaido.

-There will be a solution to BM's illness. Since it's mental I don't think Chopper will find a cure though.

[FoolishYoungling]

What makes Sanji any more special than Struessen? Get real. There is ZERO reason for them to stay behind. BM's crew isn't a rookie crew. BM's crew has dealt with this more than one time. They don't need Luffy's help with it. Luffy doesn't owe them anything, and nobody on that island is more important than the latter half of their crew.

 

Big Mom can't make storms like Dragon can? She is a Yonko! One of the 4 strongest pirates sailing the seas. Creating storms is one of her main powers lmao. Nami already said that she can't beat the storm. 

 

Yes, it did nothing to Big Mom, and Luffy wasn't trying to do anything to Big Mom. He clearly said that he wasn't trying to do anything to Big Mom. Cracker attacked because he was tired of going back and forth. Nami didn't make it easier for Luffy to hurt Cracker, she helped him in regards to Cracker's hit and run game. She helped him to be able to stall like Cracker. Cracker had no chance if they would have gone straight up, as we saw. Also, if he has something stronger, he wouldn't have used it against Doflamingo regardless for two reasons. Number one, G4 was more than enough. Doflamingo couldn't do a damn thing against G4. Secondly, if G4's penalty is 10 minutes without being able to use Haki, then the penalty for something exponentially stronger would be much greater. It makes no sense for him to use anything other than G4 on Doflamingo, because G4 was already overkill to begin with. Luffy could tell how strong Doflamingo was. He didn't need anything more.

 

No, Law had to tell Fujitora specifically that Luffy and he were in an alliance, else it would have been seen that Luffy was his underling. The news had already reported it, thanks to Doflamingo, but the Marines needed confirmation. If the world already sees him below her, than that's a problem. Luffy does not want to be seen as someone's underling. He made that clear many times. It does not make sense for him to ally himself with BM. Your comparison to Crocodile is ridiculous. He was not redeemed. He and Luffy were still enemies, which Luffy confirmed by stopping him from attacking WB. Also, if Luffy were to go under BM's wing, that means that the rest of his alliance would to, which they don't want. 

 

Not only is the bold false, but it is a blatant exaggeration, and a bit of a straw man in the sense that you completely ignore the impact of BM's crew. First, there aren't "thousands to millions" of people on WCI. Secondly, BM's crew already knows how to deal with her. Third, her and Luffy are enemies. Fourth, they are needed in Wano by the rest of their friends and alliance urgently to deal with Kaido. 

 

Again, nothing you suggested makes any sense from a narrative perspective. 

Sanji is the greatest cook in the East Blue. Wouldn't doubt him being the best cook in the world. As much experience as they have, they all say she can only be brought down by the food she is requesting. So unless that cake is made NOW, they're done for. Remember how they couldn't make the other thing quick enough, and JInbei had to come save the day. If they can't make that in enough time, how will this same group make the perfect cake fast enough? They need help.

 

Yonko level storms are scary and all, but Dragon probably has the storm fruit. I would take the storm of a man with the highest bounty and a storm fruit over a yonko with one of her side abilities being storms. Probably wrong about the prediction, but that's how the mass majority of predictions end up; wrong. Would be cool to see Nami controlling a Yonko's storm.

 

Cracker is a defense fighter. That defense he had was insanely overpowered. With that defense as his weapon, he doesn't go on the offensive unless forced (like out of stamina to make crackers). When on the offense, Luffy easily is stronger, but only because Cracker's offense is nowhere near Yonko commander level. Luffy could only withstand until Gear 4 went away, which it did multiples times. The fight lasted 8 hours for goodness sake. That's where Nami came in. Luffy ran away multiple times in the fight. Cracker even yelled at him for running behind protection Nami was providing. Luffy was the lesser fighter in that fight. No Nami = Crackers much stronger, no need for Cracker to use so much stamina to replace them, and Luffy can't hide and rest. The fight would of ended much much earlier with the clones of crackers surrounding a worn out Luffy. Just because you hate how he is a coward while fighting doesn't mean he didn't earn himself a bounty of 860 million. Defense was Cracker's game, and that defensive game was stronger than Luffy's offensive game. Wear them out and then finish them.

 

As for something stronger, I'm pretty sure he would use something more dangerous with a cage killing everyone closing in on them. Luffy was worn out, plain and simple. He wore himself out fighting an awakened Doflamingo. That meant he had to risk everyone else dying for 10 minutes. That isn't his style. So of course he would use something more to prevent that, if he had that something.

 

Luffy wouldn't submit to Big Mom in the alliance. No way they make an alliance without Big Mom acknowledging Luffy as a real future threat. It doesn't even have to be an alliance, just an agreement not to attack one another during the Kaido war. And yes Crocodile was slightly redeemed (not fully). The guy saved Luffy twice when he didn't need to. His goal of escaping was done. His goal was then to be pirate king, so he attacked WB. Let's not forget what Ivankov said. He was Croc-boy. The young boy who wanted to be king of the pirates, but was crushed, and turned to violence to obtain the power in weapons to be pirate king. He was a changed man for the worse. With that being said, why would he help Luffy? Because he is one scummy piece of trash, but Luffy inspires change. Croc-boy will be redeemed in this story. We will get a flashback with him being Croc-boy. No way he saves Luffy and has no impact later on during the final war in the series.

 

If that guy and Bellamy can be redeemed, then why can't a women who believes in equality? Her problem is she crushes anything standing in the way of HER version of equality, which is a very childlike thought out version of real equality. She never listens to what others feel about equality. That's why the oppressed giants and fishmen hate her. She will be redeemed. That's why Oda put a Big Mom pirate there to see the events of what happened to Caramel.

 

As I said earlier, they don't know what to do. You say they do, but they don't. They didn't at the start of the arc. It took Jinbei, who already had it, come save the day. What will they do? Hold her down? That's a Yonko with 0% defense, 200% offense. What can those commanders do about her soul fruit? Nothing. That storm (unless Nami helps) will wreck havoc on everyone. We're not getting a BM vs BM pirates fight. That isn't the solution. Fighting doesn't stop that illness, the food does. The same food Struessen can't make in time. Also, they are deep in her territory. How are they sailing past several islands looking for them? They can't, unless BM is on good terms with them and let's them pass those islands.

 

What happens with Pudding? What happens with the Vinsmokes? Where is Caeser going with no ship or crew to escape with? Is Pound just going to keep being stuck there? He'll surely be killed without a redeemed BM. Where is Pekoms? They can't just leave with a distracted BM even if those islands looking for them played dumb for plot convenience.

I don't think BM will help them against Kaido.

If this doesn't happen, my plan B prediction is every supernova fighting Kaido together.

[sushi.]

^Maybe. Killer and Hawkins may join in to save Kid but I think the others like Bonny and Orouge will be spared for later. They won't all target the same yonko.

If BM helps against Kaido it'll be a yonko vs yonko war, or at least seen like it by the world and WG. Even if she remains as support she will overshadow the protagonists, and in case they win we can't say Luffy overcame his boundaries this time. He has to climb to the top without the help from people who are already there.

[AHK]

Sanji is the greatest cook in the East Blue. Wouldn't doubt him being the best cook in the world. As much experience as they have, they all say she can only be brought down by the food she is requesting. So unless that cake is made NOW, they're done for. Remember how they couldn't make the other thing quick enough, and JInbei had to come save the day. If they can't make that in enough time, how will this same group make the perfect cake fast enough? They need help.
 
Yonko level storms are scary and all, but Dragon probably has the storm fruit. I would take the storm of a man with the highest bounty and a storm fruit over a yonko with one of her side abilities being storms. Probably wrong about the prediction, but that's how the mass majority of predictions end up; wrong. Would be cool to see Nami controlling a Yonko's storm.
 
Cracker is a defense fighter. That defense he had was insanely overpowered. With that defense as his weapon, he doesn't go on the offensive unless forced (like out of stamina to make crackers). When on the offense, Luffy easily is stronger, but only because Cracker's offense is nowhere near Yonko commander level. Luffy could only withstand until Gear 4 went away, which it did multiples times. The fight lasted 8 hours for goodness sake. That's where Nami came in. Luffy ran away multiple times in the fight. Cracker even yelled at him for running behind protection Nami was providing. Luffy was the lesser fighter in that fight. No Nami = Crackers much stronger, no need for Cracker to use so much stamina to replace them, and Luffy can't hide and rest. The fight would of ended much much earlier with the clones of crackers surrounding a worn out Luffy. Just because you hate how he is a coward while fighting doesn't mean he didn't earn himself a bounty of 860 million. Defense was Cracker's game, and that defensive game was stronger than Luffy's offensive game. Wear them out and then finish them.
 
As for something stronger, I'm pretty sure he would use something more dangerous with a cage killing everyone closing in on them. Luffy was worn out, plain and simple. He wore himself out fighting an awakened Doflamingo. That meant he had to risk everyone else dying for 10 minutes. That isn't his style. So of course he would use something more to prevent that, if he had that something.
 
Luffy wouldn't submit to Big Mom in the alliance. No way they make an alliance without Big Mom acknowledging Luffy as a real future threat. It doesn't even have to be an alliance, just an agreement not to attack one another during the Kaido war. And yes Crocodile was slightly redeemed (not fully). The guy saved Luffy twice when he didn't need to. His goal of escaping was done. His goal was then to be pirate king, so he attacked WB. Let's not forget what Ivankov said. He was Croc-boy. The young boy who wanted to be king of the pirates, but was crushed, and turned to violence to obtain the power in weapons to be pirate king. He was a changed man for the worse. With that being said, why would he help Luffy? Because he is one scummy piece of trash, but Luffy inspires change. Croc-boy will be redeemed in this story. We will get a flashback with him being Croc-boy. No way he saves Luffy and has no impact later on during the final war in the series.
 
If that guy and Bellamy can be redeemed, then why can't a women who believes in equality? Her problem is she crushes anything standing in the way of HER version of equality, which is a very childlike thought out version of real equality. She never listens to what others feel about equality. That's why the oppressed giants and fishmen hate her. She will be redeemed. That's why Oda put a Big Mom pirate there to see the events of what happened to Caramel.
 
As I said earlier, they don't know what to do. You say they do, but they don't. They didn't at the start of the arc. It took Jinbei, who already had it, come save the day. What will they do? Hold her down? That's a Yonko with 0% defense, 200% offense. What can those commanders do about her soul fruit? Nothing. That storm (unless Nami helps) will wreck havoc on everyone. We're not getting a BM vs BM pirates fight. That isn't the solution. Fighting doesn't stop that illness, the food does. The same food Struessen can't make in time. Also, they are deep in her territory. How are they sailing past several islands looking for them? They can't, unless BM is on good terms with them and let's them pass those islands.
 
What happens with Pudding? What happens with the Vinsmokes? Where is Caeser going with no ship or crew to escape with? Is Pound just going to keep being stuck there? He'll surely be killed without a redeemed BM. Where is Pekoms? They can't just leave with a distracted BM even if those islands looking for them played dumb for plot convenience.

If this doesn't happen, my plan B prediction is every supernova fighting Kaido together.

This is sadly full of fanfiction. The very notion that you think Sanji could be the best cook in the world at this time is absurd. The fact that you think that BM's crew needs help from Luffy's crew to deal with BM, given the fact that they are her crew is sad.

Ah. I see. So it's Nami just can't control Dragons storm. Definitely can control BM's. She can't beat a YC, but she definitely can control the storm of an emperor

Luffy didn't run away at all lmao Cracker was literally stalling, so Nami softened up his crackers so Luffy could eat and replenish. Cracker didn't do anything except wait. Luffy obliterated him with G4 when he finally got tired of stalling.

No, he wouldn't. G4 was more than enough and he knew that. He wouldn't use something that could potentially have a much higher penalty than G4 if G4 was all hat was needed. It doesn't make sense. The idea that Luffy doesn't have anything else up his sleeve, when it was confirmed he came up with everything in 6 months is asinine.

It doesn't matter if Luffy would submit, that's what he'd become. He'd be seen as BM's subordinate. It doesn't make sense. Luffy and BM are enemies. They don't like each other, and BM wants to kill him. It makes zero sense for them to become an alliance.

What are you actually talking about when you say the didn't know what to do? Have you not read anything? They knew what they were doing the entire time. They literally had a plan. Hell, Luffy is the one that came up with the idea that he was going to be stealthy and get Sanji back. And I love how you have this idea that Struessen can't make good in time, besides being an experienced cook, but Sanji can.

Nothing you say makes any sense at all. You're not doing anything but presenting an illogical conclusion and forcing the narrative to fit it. Oda is setting up BM vs Kaido vs Luffy and co at Wano. What you're suggesting is about as logical as Kaido wanting to be friendly with Luffy, or Teach to join the alliance. LOL

[Bail o' Lies]

The thing is Nami's ability is really sharp meteorological awareness which she uses in her tact (staff) to create storms, but she can't control the weather only manipulate it on a small scale limited to the ability of her tact. Brook was able to hold his own against Big Mama because both their power are derived from soul manipulation, so they cancel each other out.

 

Luffy has never left an Island without defeating the big bad. It might be interesting to see him do so, but I doubt it will happen. 

 

The two remain goals of this arc is resolving Sanji's family issues, and making sure Big Mama and her crew are no longer at war with the Straw-hats.

 

I do see Puddin memory manipulation as well as that chef power coming into play in order to calm down Big Mama. but I doubt it will just be Sanji alone making a cake. But It would show his family his skills as a chef, and would probably convince Big Mama crew to agree to a truce with the Straw-hats.

[ultranx]

the posts in this thread are beautiful xD I love one piece xD which reminds me, I need to check for any recent chapters, last one I saw was when big mom realized bege was a traitor.

 

EDIT: HOLY CRAP CHAPTERS 871 AND 872 ARE AMAZING TOGETHER.

Edited by ultranx, 15 July 2017 - 02:58 PM.