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#7641 PhenixElite

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 08:00 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 1 2013, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You wanna know what's absolutely kittening retarded? The people that actually think Naruto's feelings for Sakura are fading away, when he's constantly spending so much time with her. And to follow up on that claim and say he's going to eventually have feelings for Hinata when he's rarely spent any time with her in this series. In other words:

More time you spend with that person = your feelings for that person fade away

Less time you spend with that person = your feelings increase

Dat NH logic 4 ya.

Yeah, sad enough.
I just dont see the manga ending with NH or SS, even if kishi keeps showing hinata the next 10 chapters.
If we look back at the 600 chapters, it would be just bad writing to make NH or SS canon.
Nothing more to say to that.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 08:18 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 2 2013, 02:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You wanna know what's absolutely kittening retarded? The people that actually think Naruto's feelings for Sakura are fading away, when he's constantly spending so much time with her. And to follow up on that claim and say he's going to eventually have feelings for Hinata when he's rarely spent any time with her in this series. In other words:

More time you spend with that person = your feelings for that person fade away

Less time you spend with that person = your feelings increase

Dat NH logic 4 ya.


this remind me the way you paralel ns with jiraiya and tsunade.


don't try this at home

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 08:27 PM

QUOTE (Tendo Ryuken @ Jan 1 2013, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
this remind me the way you paralel ns with jiraiya and tsunade.

Tsunade had a boyfriend but jiraya failed and his feelings didnt decreased and he died loving her.


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Posted 01 January 2013 - 08:37 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 2 2013, 03:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Tsunade had a boyfriend

yes. and he died a long time ago

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 2 2013, 03:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
but jiraya failed and his feelings didnt decreased and he died loving her.


how can you tell?

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#7645 PhenixElite

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 08:44 PM

QUOTE (Tendo Ryuken @ Jan 1 2013, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yes. and he died a long time ago



how can you tell?

You can tell it from the flashback during his death and also during his talk with tsunade before he leaves.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 08:49 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Jan 2 2013, 03:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You can tell it from the flashback during his death and also during his talk with tsunade before he leaves.


hmm. make sense thought

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 09:04 PM

QUOTE (Tendo Ryuken @ Jan 1 2013, 05:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yes. and he died a long time ago



how can you tell?

And still he loved her despite she having a boyfriend.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 09:09 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 1 2013, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You wanna know what's absolutely kittening retarded? The people that actually think Naruto's feelings for Sakura are fading away, when he's constantly spending so much time with her. And to follow up on that claim and say he's going to eventually have feelings for Hinata when he's rarely spent any time with her in this series. In other words:

More time you spend with that person = your feelings for that person fade away

Less time you spend with that person = your feelings increase

Dat NH logic 4 ya.


That has always been their way of thinking. Better to disregard any NS development for the past 400+ chapters and focus on one chapter, one panel and claim that's enough development to make NH canon, honestly. facepalm.png

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 09:21 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 1 2013, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Tsunade had a boyfriend but jiraya failed and his feelings didnt decreased and he died loving her.


I was going to tell you that no other woman loved Jiraya , but the filler 235 show that another woman or women would love him, but he never gave himself an opportunity.
In the case of Naruto...

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 09:24 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 1 2013, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I guarantee you that studio Pierrot is gonna turn 615 into a kittening movie just like they did Hinata's confession. Beautiful animation and beautiful visuals. Oh, but it doesn't stop there! Rest assured that Pierrot is gonna make Hinata wound the Juubi.

i hated the animation TBH at that point :S but i gess thats me

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 09:28 PM

Jiraiya always love Tsunade. It's just that his life really went down the spiral. He has failed in many ways, which is why he passed down to Naruto. Naruto will accomplish everything. If the anime studio knows this, I think we all should.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 09:41 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Jan 1 2013, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jiraiya always love Tsunade. It's just that his life really went down the spiral. He has failed in many ways, which is why he passed down to Naruto. Naruto will accomplish everything. If the anime studio knows this, I think we all should.


Jiraiya spend his love life just paying a lot of money with sluts in brothels... He was a great master but his social life was just... sad and full of failures. And he's my favorite character, I like him because he isn't perfect, full of human weakness but a great and loveable person. I wished that Tsunade gave him a chance but her heart was already closed for too long time.

Edited by 六道仙人, 01 January 2013 - 09:42 PM.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 09:42 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Jan 1 2013, 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jiraiya spend his love life just paying a lot of money with sluts in brothels... He was a great master but his social life was just... sad and full of failures. And he's my favorite character, I like him because he isn't perfect, full of human weakness but a great and loveable person. I wished that Tsunade gave him a chance but her heart was already closed for too long time.


lol

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 09:45 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 1 2013, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
lol


yeah just lol but it's the truth tongue.gif Anyway, just respect for that man... He knew want to do with women. cool.gif

Edited by 六道仙人, 01 January 2013 - 09:45 PM.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:12 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Jan 1 2013, 05:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Y'know, if there was one side that is basically the Joker card in the pairing wars, it would be Kurama. Why?? because no one knows Naruto better than him. Only he would know what Naruto's feelings are. If he ever makes a statement about Naruto's love life, you can bet it's make-or-break when the time comes. (NaruSasu comment not withstanding).

I agree. I'm playing with this exact concept in Wilderness, and the first evidence appeared in the most recent chapter.


QUOTE (primary colours123 @ Jan 1 2013, 07:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And the funny thing is that it was Kurama who rained on the NH parade by interrupting Naruto's inner monologue and reminding him that there were more people who have already sacrificed their lives for Naruto and it was not just Lady Hinata who was ready to do that for him. tongue.gif

Exactly. I noticed that too, and mentioned it early on the #615 thread. It was very obvious that the intention was to downplay Hinata's significance -- at least that's how I read it.


QUOTE (kirabook @ Jan 1 2013, 08:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There is one scene that apparently was off panel, but not anymore, and that is the flashback to Naruto confessing he loved Sakura in a more serious manner. It's not really a 'development', but it was an important moment we didn't know about until Sai showed up.

Good point. However, I think it was done in that way to prove Naruto's feelings while saving the Big Moment for Naruto to confess himself, when the timing is finally right.


QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 1 2013, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why Naruto didnt reject this then?
When sakura asked if you dont like me say so and Sai when he told the truth.
Even kishimoto stated this on his interview that Naruto's close.
And moreover it's rather annoying the hero to reinforce his feelings every arc just to shut up the fans.
You're just in denial.
Sakura's screen time, dude you forgot that Hinata was introduced on part 2 30 chapters later, after it started, and during the summit arc she only appears at the ending of it along with neji and the others.
but ofc we have to ignore all the 600 chapters and count only the last 50.

Yes, I harp on that all the time -- the fact that Sakura says, "If you don't like me then just say so!! Don't try to turn things around..." and Naruto doesn't deny how he feels about her. Instead he says, "But this makes no sense! Why would you bother coming all the way here just for that?" <---- That is an implicit admission that he does like/love her, as if the look on his face when Sakura first said she loved him wasn't proof enough. ;)


QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Jan 1 2013, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The anime tends to give good animation to most pairing moments. Remember that after 166 they still made the OVA, which had NaruSaku. In my opinion Pierrot will give this chapter excellent scenery, but that doesn't necessarily mean its because of a specific ship or character bias.

I agree. Sakura's confession was done beautifully too.


QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Jan 1 2013, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You can tell it from the flashback during his death and also during his talk with tsunade before he leaves.

Yes. Jiraiya had told Tsunade that, "Getting dumped always makes a man stronger. But then again, men aren't meant to pursue happiness." Then she says to herself, "Always trying to act cool. If you make it back here, you won't have to put on a tough front for me anymore..." As he's dying, Jiraiya reflects on his life and considers it full of failures, citing specifically that "Tsunade turned me down every time." At the moment of Jiraiya's death Kishimoto switches to panels of Tsunade. sad.gif

There is so much foreshadowing on both sides -- that Jiraiya's feelings for Tsunade never changed and he never loved anyone else, while Tsunade's feelings did eventually change even though she figured it out too late. In my opinion, that's a pretty big sign post suggesting that Naruto and Sakura will not fail where their masters did.



Edited by KnS, 01 January 2013 - 10:15 PM.


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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:22 PM

@Poison in Your coffee.
you're in denial --Click here to view--

naruto was believing sakura's confession until she asked him to stop chasing sasuke, he was confused of why she suddenly comes to confess to him.
But was accepting, the problem was the fact that she asked him to stop chasing sasuke so it was obvious she did that because of somethign happened.

You're in denial, i'm not going to debate with you have a good day.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 01 January 2013 - 10:36 PM.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:34 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 1 2013, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you're in denial --Click here to view--
naruto was believing sakura's confession until she asked him to stop chasing sasuke, he was confused of why she suddenly comes to confess to him.
But was accepting, the problem was the fact that she asked him to stop chasing sasuke so it was obvious she did that because of somethign happened.

You're in denial, i'm not going to debate with you have a good day.

Could it be that you replied to the wrong person? laugh.gif

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:24 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 1 2013, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@Poison in Your coffee.
you're in denial --Click here to view--
naruto was believing sakura's confession until she asked him to stop chasing sasuke, he was confused of why she suddenly comes to confess to him.
But was accepting, the problem was the fact that she asked him to stop chasing sasuke so it was obvious she did that because of somethign happened.

You're in denial, i'm not going to debate with you have a good day.


Naruto saying :
Wye me all of a sudden in my eyes he still has low self esteem or is that just me there

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:32 PM

QUOTE (Arachnia @ Jan 1 2013, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto saying :
Wye me all of a sudden in my eyes he still has low self esteem or is that just me there


It's not only you. I don't think he believed her from the get go; however, to me it's not because she was lying but because he never really thought that she would ever return his feelings, especially since she still has feelings for Sasga- I mean Sasuke. tongue.gif

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 02:08 AM

QUOTE (Arachnia @ Jan 1 2013, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto saying :
Wye me all of a sudden in my eyes he still has low self esteem or is that just me there



I agree with this, too. sleep.gif I've posted recently over the confession in 615 thread about it. In my point of view, Naruto feels very insecure when it comes to Sakura's feelings for him. I'd even argue it's probably the only thing that he doesn't have confidence in. "The Promise of a Lifetime" deeply affected him and crushed most of his hope. That's partly why he can never believe Sakura loves him unless she does more to prove it to him. Naruto IMO also rejected the confession because he's afraid of getting hurt. He's with Sakura, only to realize she loves Sasuke more. He's afraid of that possibility and wouldn't wanna risk that. It would be too painful for him. Naruto's a lot more sentimental than he let's on.

Or at least, that's what I believe. smile.gif

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