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[Superman333]

just a thought , do yall think the reason Kishi made Ino cry over Sasuke and makes Hinata stay to her old ways is because he is trying to show us that Sakura turned out to be  the most advanced and developed Kunoichi in the Leaf Village not only skillwise but also mentally .?

[Hanabi]

The thing with the NH fans... They just don't know how to accept facts from the story, even when the story is practically screaming something in their faces. This is what happens when the studio has too much power and makes a...well...I don't want to say crappy, but that's the only word that comes to mind. Anyway, Hinata has the biggest fanbase for a secondary character out of any other side character in any other series.And for what? What has she done that could make her have such a large fanbase? 

 

Breast size? If that were the case, then Tsunade would be overrated.

 

Looks? I'll admit that she's not bad looking for a character, but there are plenty of other characters that are better looking than her.

 

The only thing that comes to my mind is filler episodes. Okay, I don't mind if they make a few characters come out of their shells a little in filler episodes, but they really went too far with Hinata in several cases. Practically ANYTHING useful she's done was in a filler episode. If a character hardly talks or does anything special in the manga, then don't make them so over powered in the anime! I think we can all agree that Hinata would be nowhere near as popular as she is now if Filler episodes didn't exist.

well.. her few moments in the pain arc and the war arc was selfless and shocking to her fans i guess. it makes her look more heroine in their eyes.

[Psychox]

If the pairing stuff for Naruto like Avatar should say anything, it all falls back to one simple fact:

 

Read the scene, see what has more focus and screentime. If many of the scenes between Naruto and Sakura following Gaara and especially the POAL have a good amount of care and compassion displayed, leading to more development, chances are it has the focus for a reason. Even for those who claimed NS "dead" in 469, they obviously didn't find it funny enough that there was still practically nothing done for NH. See the irony? NS dead but NH still doesnt develop? Yeah 631 cleared up the Kushina stuff and gave a practical reaffirmation for who naruto loves. Yets fans still ingore stuff like that at this point.

 

For NS to be dead Naruto would have to say something in regards to Hinata's confession or in 615 which he hasn't done or has interest to this very day . So basically NH was never alive in the first  place . In the same contrast Sakura has to jump in Sasuke's arms hug him FOD hug 2.0 (save him from darkness) , kiss him and he to reciprocate when/where  is that ever gonna happen? Yep. Until something like that comes to business  SS and NH are dead as they claim NS and SK .

Sasuke's ''thank you '' scene to Sakura was more like '' no thanks'' if you ask me .So what the hell are people expecting ?

I've seen SS shippers honest ones who state proudly that NS has development strong friendship and could lead to something more , they don't shield their eyes no matter the fact that they have SS ring engraved on their fingers

 

Sadly it seems most rather focus on happening now and not long term here is something I fond in a converstation with NH fans and this is what they said about NS chances of happening:

 

"I just hate is hate for the hyuga (and hinata). I mean, okay, you're an uchija d rider. Calm down. They're not that great. Not great at all. Seriously, not only do not all of them get the sharingan, but not all of them even make it to 3t or much less MS, or Even more, EMS. The hyuga could pretty easily beat MS users and solo 3t users.

, Sakura? Really? NARUSAKU has 0% chance of coning through this far in, its ridiculous how some peopleeven think so. Tbh, I really don't care about pairing much. But I am logical person. In early shippuden it seemed like NS was gonna happen, but after the pain arc and especiallyafyer the false confession and hand hold, naruhina is 89% gonna happen."

 

"Yeah I know but I don't want to seem like an idiot if narusaku does happen so I usually stay neutral on it and although it would be logical at this point for NH to happen I wouldn't be suprised if Kishi trolled us

You have a good point there.. even if there was three tomoe users they might have been a minority in the Uchiha clan.. I can believe the Hyuuga clan can>Uchiha clan except for the special ones like Itachi, Sasuke, Madara, and maybe izuna.. shishui didn't really have feats so I'm counting him out besides I'm sure a hyuuga can see through his genjutsu as that one guy did when he saw Mifune."

 

"Narusaku can't happen : D it is seriously horrible writing if it did happen, simply because it's been butchered so badly. Besides hinata was made before Sakura, in 1998, before the series began, and seh was depicted as naruto's liver. Narusaku gas no "if". Not to mention Sakura ---> sasuke.

The special ones are the special cases indeed. But I think neji would stand a decent chance against them anyways."

 

Oh for the love of crap...

With such ''logic'' i will enjoy watching them whine after NS reaches canon , if Naruto has been leaning  towards  HInata or giving her false vibes of love like some people were force fitting and after that he flip flops and calls Sakura his GF like 10 times in the manga  then i  feel bad for those people with poor reading comprehension skills  .Clinging to hay like straws that  Naruto will drop his ''crush'' on  Sakura and she will never fall out of Sasuke so Kishi is gonna pander to them and make NH & SS canon basically setting in flames his entire manga making no kittening sense what so ever . 

To people like them I've openly said  that they've read their 9 chapters + cover of ''development '' which none of them involve Naruto reciprocating any of Hinata's so called ''feelings'' which she has dropped more or less thanks to chapter like 615/633 even though she still fangirled over Naruto's ''hand'' . I don't know that they are  still clinging to that freaking chapter 469-470 and Sai's words ''She went to kill him to save him from darkness because she loves Sasuke  to Sakura failing to do so becaus she l..... '' ops they've missed that part too  ..
Others missed chapter 311 with the explanation of suffixes and Sakura calling Naruto ''baka'' so they hate her even for that , the point that they were intimate just went misread/ignored .

They've not read the verbiage nor 616 nor 631 it seems nor 635 .. I don't know some people are so ignorant or in denial  that when NS becomes canon it will kick them in the teeth so hard they'll call it an asspull ...
 

For them it doesn't matter that Hinata did nothing for Naruto when he was alone. When I told them about this, they said that I'm a hater and an idiot and I don't understand Hinata's character.

 

How are you a hater ??!? Nothing personal ,but some of their arguments makes me just . No being shy doesn't excuse you for doing literally nothing if you loved the person as they claimed no matter how much shy she is/was she would've done something useful . I seem to remember Naruto doing something like that for Sakura when she was ready to give up on Sasuke like 50 times in the damn manga he was ready to take all of her pain and swallow it to make her feel better , but wait , there is a pattern to that , its comic relief!

Their goal is making Sakura suffer more than HInata happy ...
 

 

 

All those type of fans are in America, and I doubt Kishimoto took the time to research the American fanbase.  As another has said, Hinata doesn't need to be with Naruto to be rewarded.  Plus, it's the wrong type of view because Naruto isn't a prize to be won.

 

 

Sasuke deserves to be Hokage, because he had it rough?  Of course, like the others hadn't had any difficulty.  Naruto aside, Lee had to work three times as heard as everyone else to become a ninja.  He also had to go through almost giving up the chance to continue as one.  Neji lost his dad due to his clans old traditions and grew up bitter to the main branch because of it.  How about every other Jinchuuriki, who had basically same kind of like as Naruto, being hated out of people's fear and anger.  Sure, Sasuke deserves to be happy, when he betrayed his village, tried to kill his former team on numerous occasions, directly stabbed Karin, left Juugo and Suigetsu at the summit, and willingly took a revenge path that lead to nothing but only more revenge and emptiness.  After all, he's done, he still shows no compassion to those who still care for him.  Yeah, he deserves so much.

 

 

I'm not going to go into who suffered more or not, because that's all relative.  However, the undeniable fact is Naruto suffered a great deal also.  We've seen Naruto still come out the bigger person when it matters, while Sasuke continues to be selfish all the time.  Even his desire to become Hokage now is selfish.  This alone shows the difference between them.  The contrast of one who had nothing but gained so much, and the one who lost everything, and willingly throws away all he could have gained.

 

 

Is this a metaphor, or did this actually happen in the story?

 

If you ask anti NS fans they say that Sakura isn't the price .. Ops, did that grow into a double standard ? Yep. But you are absolutely right though kishi pays little to actually no attention of the American fanbase of Naruto , even though we got 615  . His main fanbase is the Japanse ^_^.

Bolded : I agree , but i don't get them at all everyone suffered and they make Sasuke a martyr who deserves Sakura's love , sugar ,spice and everything else given as a gift , how does that make sense ? He never worked hard for anything , heck , when Naruto learned what Sasuke was doing via proxy from Tobi/obito he hyperventilated and as much as people deny it that is angst , because Sasuke is such a ''great guy' . He demands respect,Hokage title , love  for which he didn't do basically nothing . Someone explain to me how is that not selfish .
 

 

well.. her few moments in the pain arc and the war arc was selfless and shocking to her fans i guess. it makes her look more heroine in their eyes.

 

Ugh.. Studio Pierrot is gonna get flamed in the end because of this .  

Edited by Psychox, 06 September 2013 - 07:17 AM.

[Dkey]

just a thought , do yall think the reason Kishi made Ino cry over Sasuke and makes Hinata stay to her old ways is because he is trying to show us that Sakura turned out to be  the most advanced and developed Kunoichi in the Leaf Village not only skillwise but also mentally .?

 

I don't really agree with this. That's basically sacrificing any development Hinata and Ino have just so they can be compared to Sakura.

 

One can argue Ino but she didn't understand what Sasuke became she didn't see him the way Sakura did.

For Ino at least even if Sasuke changed he didn't change into bad until the news hit her during the kage summit.

 

As for Hinata her main connections were Naruto Neji her team and afterwards Sakura. Yes she was friends with everyone but apart from Sakura's reactions to what Hinata did for Naruto ( and here I refer to when she was healing Hinata, and afterwards during the hand holding)

 

Also there never was any real proof of anyone hearing or seeing others and then deciding he will be different. Maybe Naruto but it was regarding his ninja way.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Whoa, I missed a lot. I am trying to clear my library of games before next-gen. Will be a bit more occupied. Anyway, where to begin.

 

For anime to end in the middle of nothing only screams, "Buy our product (manga)!" and sometimes, fans don't like that because we want more and surely, they should not be treated as advertisements for the original work. Believe it or not, there are people who only likes anime and seeing not ending is pretty weak. I don't mind a break, but never ending it, I don't know, it just seem weak for leaving them unfinished.

 

just a thought , do yall think the reason Kishi made Ino cry over Sasuke and makes Hinata stay to her old ways is because he is trying to show us that Sakura turned out to be  the most advanced and developed Kunoichi in the Leaf Village not only skillwise but also mentally .?

 

Well, don't know if that's the case, but I would say yes on Sakura's part. The thing about Sakura's love story is that she has two directions, not one like many others. She has the card to change a new direction. I remember how anime had this person go to the same direction that leads to nothing, but one new direction can be what is needed and bring the real happiness. That's Sakura is in. If she stays in one direction (Naruto), she will know what awaits her.

 

Now then, as many of you are in green zone on NS, I want to share this tidbit from a really good friend from NF, Kronin. Long time ago, I mentioned that he said something that makes sense about Kishi's utilization of panels. Well, here it is. The reason why I said "many of you are in green zone", because well, this one is a small treat and honestly, I do believe there's a point.

 

Please read. It's interesting to read. Btw, this is the guy who actually thought 615 made NS canon or at least pointing that way.

 

Various posts before mine have said this better, but basically because this supposed ending of the paring debate (I dislike so much call it "war") is too much early considering the end of the manga: appear anticlimatic for this reason and in addition for the supposed choice to end the debate resolving the Hinata's quest in this argument before the Sakura's one (something that makes clear that Sakura is free to choose who loves and/or if Naruto's feelings are changed after her "declaration").

You can also see like Hinata's actions in this war happened before any intervention of Sakura (and effectively more later something is placed, more the event will have an important role compared to the previous ones); related to this last topic (and maybe a possibile hint of a "twist"?) seems to be that single alone panel of Sakura used to see her reaction to the words of Hinata (while we don't see the reactions of the entire alliance, which these words were dedicated) And more a panel seems be completely irrilevant, more it will be important in the future, like this thread shows: http://www.narutofor....890&highlight=

In other words what I mean is that this event seems me badly placed in the time and succession of the events in the manga for the important role that some readers attribute to it. And you can trust me that I would say the same if Sakura was in the place of Hinata in the 615, in that case probably everyone here would be really happy while I would end up being taken by worries and concerns xD.

Finally, considering also that:
1) the relationship between Naruto and Sakura, also from a romantic side, had an heavier attention than NaruHina or other pairings (personally I think that just with the last chapters this pairing has a concrete possibility to become real in the end); so seems me the more developed one to make a couple that in the end could say to have had a sort of troubled path, similar to what usually happens for the final pairings in the romantic stories in manga or not.
[But I must admit that the pairing with more attention in the manga is NaruSasu ]
2) the modus operandi of the author that A) really loves the parallels between the past and old generations (and objectively there are so much various ways to see them in Naruto and Sakura, considering team Jiraya, team Minato and the same parents of both of them); B) Often he handled the main questions of the manga giving us firstly hints toward the right solution, then creating a red herring, and finally making clear that the first one was the right one (you can found it thinking about the paths to discover the good or bad nature of Itachi, the identity of Pain, the identity of Tobi).

So I am very sure that this is just another element to set the possibility to an eventual end of the pairing (united with the feelings of Sakura for Sasuke in the past chapters), but made just to deceive the readers when in the end will happen exactly what people thought before all the complications happened (I didn't follow Naruto, but I'm sure that Yamato's word at that time were probably considered an ending of the pairing debate just like today)

Off course I could be wrong and this could be really a development for setting a possible conclusion toward NaruHina (and SasuSaku?). But I repeat that until now seems me improbable, personally I would think a similar thing just with a change of mind of Kishimoto considering the past of the manga; then also seeing the results of the mistery of Tobi (surely thought from the Kakashi Gaiden) seems me improbable also a similar decision by Kishimoto and I really trust of him when he say that the manga's ending is already written in his mind from years and that he will not change it in the road for the finale.

So I really think that the recent importance about a possible development of Naruto and Hinata like a couple and the feelings of Sakura for Sasuke, were put by the author more to make trouble to Naruto and Sakura story rather to become real situations for being developed in the end.

Anyway I think to have talk too much about other questions and not of NaruSaku, contrary to the purpose of this thread. In the end I wanted just say that actually I'm not downhearted but rather I have again more faith in the pairing
And off course it will remain my favourite indipendently by the manga's ending, but this off course is true for every fan of every pairings

Edit: Sorry for eventual typos in the sentences, English is not my native language.

[Superman333]

Whoa, I missed a lot. I am trying to clear my library of games before next-gen. Will be a bit more occupied. Anyway, where to begin.

 

For anime to end in the middle of nothing only screams, "Buy our product (manga)!" and sometimes, fans don't like that because we want more and surely, they should not be treated as advertisements for the original work. Believe it or not, there are people who only likes anime and seeing not ending is pretty weak. I don't mind a break, but never ending it, I don't know, it just seem weak for leaving them unfinished.

 

 

Well, don't know if that's the case, but I would say yes on Sakura's part. The thing about Sakura's love story is that she has two directions, not one like many others. She has the card to change a new direction. I remember how anime had this person go to the same direction that leads to nothing, but one new direction can be what is needed and bring the real happiness. That's Sakura is in. If she stays in one direction (Naruto), she will know what awaits her.

 

Now then, as many of you are in green zone on NS, I want to share this tidbit from a really good friend from NF, Kronin. Long time ago, I mentioned that he said something that makes sense about Kishi's utilization of panels. Well, here it is. The reason why I said "many of you are in green zone", because well, this one is a small treat and honestly, I do believe there's a point.

 

Please read. It's interesting to read. Btw, this is the guy who actually thought 615 made NS canon or at least pointing that way.

 

that made alot of sense . 

[BlueStarSaber]

 

Is this a metaphor, or did this actually happen in the story?

 

No this happened in another story we were talking about that had a pair with similar development to NaruSaku, though if this did happen to them I don't know what I do.

[Superman333]

 

I don't really agree with this. That's basically sacrificing any development Hinata and Ino have just so they can be compared to Sakura.

 

One can argue Ino but she didn't understand what Sasuke became she didn't see him the way Sakura did.

For Ino at least even if Sasuke changed he didn't change into bad until the news hit her during the kage summit.

 

As for Hinata her main connections were Naruto Neji her team and afterwards Sakura. Yes she was friends with everyone but apart from Sakura's reactions to what Hinata did for Naruto ( and here I refer to when she was healing Hinata, and afterwards during the hand holding)

 

Also there never was any real proof of anyone hearing or seeing others and then deciding he will be different. Maybe Naruto but it was regarding his ninja way.

if you are referring to Hinata's development , what development has she really had that hasn't been ruined by her constantly showing lack of independance . I don't know if 633 was showing us that decided to stop depending on Naruto 24-7 . But her development that she always gains when she got more confident in herself once again got overshadowed by her pining over Naruto and still depending on him for everything . But hey I guess she stopped fainting around him though does that count as development .? 

Edited by Superman333, 06 September 2013 - 03:12 PM.

[Dkey]

if you are referring to Hinata's development , what development has she really had that hasn't been ruined by her constantly showing lack of independance . I don't know if 633 was showing us that decided to depending on Naruto 24-7 . But her development that she always gains when she got more confident in herself once again got overshadowed by her pining over Naruto and still depending on him for everything . But hey I guess she stopped fainting around him though does that count as development .? 

thing is the hinata fans have blown everything out of proportion and now everything she does the fans of other pairings scrutinise her. Perhaps people would have enjoyed her presence and meager development more if there wouldnt be this pairing war. In another manga Beelzebub the author himself has made a love triangle more obvious and each time uses it in the story. In that series because of what I saw in the Naruto fandom I refuse to see if there is a pairing war.

[Superman333]

thing is the hinata fans have blown everything out of proportion and now everything she does the fans of other pairings scrutinise her. Perhaps people would have enjoyed her presence and meager development more if there wouldnt be this pairing war. In another manga Beelzebub the author himself has made a love triangle more obvious and each time uses it in the story. In that series because of what I saw in the Naruto fandom I refuse to see if there is a pairing war.

honestly it really should have no pairing war . Hinata and Naruto ending up together would be like Koga and Kagome ending up together. They talked every now and then and  it was one sided as Kagome regarded Koga as just a friend just as Naruto regards Hinata as a friend . To me NS was end game ever since Chapter 3 . It was no way around that .

Edited by Superman333, 06 September 2013 - 03:39 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

that made alot of sense .

It really does. It makes you think that maybe it's not just there after all. I mean either the timing is a huge coincidence or it is meant to be. I think the latter is the right answer.

[Hanabi]

does anybody know if sakuragi ends up with haruko at the end of slam dunk? 

 

I read in this thread somewhere that says kishi get character references from dragonball and slam dunk. then he mention he found slam dunk love triangle interesting..  im glad to see in dragonball goku ends up with a tsundere,  but i dont really follow either of this series. I know Sakuragi having a crush on Haruko from the start and having a goofy personality is like Naruto, the talented second guy with the cold attitude, having a rivalry with Sakuragi is like Sasuke, and Haruko who admires the second guy a lot, is like Sakura.

Edited by Hanabi, 06 September 2013 - 04:11 PM.

[Superman333]

It really does. It makes you think that maybe it's not just there after all. I mean either the timing is a huge coincidence or it is meant to be. I think the latter is the right answer.

yeah the way Kishi made Sakura stand and look with her mouth open at Hinata's speech to Naruto was no coincidence that spoke volumes as to where Sakura's feelings for Naruto are she only realizes it on impulse and situations like that when she feels like she may lose him . 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Bolded. You don't know how much that annoys me. This happens even in other fandoms as well.

I don't understand why people can't accept a story for what it is. What is the purpose of denying or desperately trying to contradict CANON facts? I said this before, but the way that some people just dismiss canon in favor of fanon is, in my opinion, disrespectful to the author and his/her work. The canon is there for a reason so accept it for what it is and stop trying to downplay the author's intention.

I STILL see people desperately trying to compare Hinata to Kushina in hopes of negating the Kushina and Sakura parallel... I just don't see the point in that. Respect the parallel and respect Kishi's intentions for his own story. It's ok if they are not in favor of the way some things turn out, but at least acknowledge the truth and the facts presented before you. Don't just brush facts away so easily. I know that if I were to write a story, and my fans were to just ignore important canon facts, I would be very irritated and disappointed. :|

 

As for the rest of your post, I completely agree.

Example, saying that Minato said "Girl-Friend" and Naruto answering "more or less, yes i think you can call that" and their explanation is that Naruto hates Sakura and he doenst have words to describe if Sakura is his friend, shortening they basically are implying that Naruto hates Sakura because of the confession and doesnt consider her as a friend just because he said more or less say that she's his friend.

Meanwhile you have Sasuke who tried to kill Naruto three times and lied to him and despite that he consider him as his friend but Sakura no, Sakura is a b*** who Naruto must hate.

 

It's makes me rage aswell you're not alone, they literally raped Naruto's bond with Sakura to deny the obviously thing that Minato told Sakura.

People doesnt need ot have an average QI to understand that Minato meant "girlfriend" "Lover" etc.. on that moment, it's just denial really.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 06 September 2013 - 04:23 PM.

[Dkey]

Example, saying that Minato said "Girl-Friend" and Naruto answering "more or less, yes i think you can call that" and their explanation is that Naruto hates Sakura and he doenst have words to describe if Sakura is his friend, shortening they basically are implying that Naruto hates Sakura because of the confession and doesnt consider her as a friend just because he said more or less say that she's his friend.

Meanwhile you have Sasuke who tried to kill Naruto three times and lied to him and despite that he consider him as his friend but Sakura no, Sakura is a b*** who Naruto must hate.

 

It's makes me rage aswell you're not alone, they literally raped Naruto's bond with Sakura to deny the obviously thing that Minato told Sakura.

People doesnt need ot have an average QI to understand that Minato meant "girlfriend" "Lover" etc.. on that moment, it's just denial really.

 

And if indeed Naruto hated her why did he left her to heal him why didn't he blatantly deny it and why did Sakura hit him.....I don't know how some fans can see what they want sometimes.

[BlueStarSaber]

Say we seem to be talking to much about the NH fans, can we try something else?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Say we seem to be talking to much about the NH fans, can we try something else?

Which one?

 

"What colour is sakura's seal?"

"Does Sakura will get a slug sage mode"

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 06 September 2013 - 04:56 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

Which one?

 

"What colour is sakura's seal?"

"Does Sakura will get a slug sage mode"

 

Well those are fine but isn't their already a thread for those. I was thinking about something I want to see Sakura do.

 

I have asked this few times now, but I'm not sure if it has been discussed here before. Does anyone want to see Sakura Punching Sasuke, how and why? 

 

Here is a video that can be used as an example, go to 9:19 to see it http://www.youtube.c...97049F70B8327CD

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Well those are fine but isn't their already a thread for those. I was thinking about something I want to see Sakura do.

 

I have asked this few times now, but I'm not sure if it has been discussed here before. Does anyone want to see Sakura Punching Sasuke, how and why? 

 

Here is a video that can be used as an example, go to 9:19 to see it http://www.youtube.c...97049F70B8327CD

The problem with this thread is that the same topics are being bought over and over again, i lost how many times "we" discussed about Sakura punching Sasuke.

[BlueStarSaber]

The problem with this thread is that the same topics are being bought over and over again, i lost how many times "we" discussed about Sakura punching Sasuke.

 

We have sorry my bad I just haven't seen it