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[Weltall]

Naruto Hachibi and Minato should immune to genjutsu.
Genjutsu rule is : To break from a genjutsu someome else must put chakra on you, explained by Killer bee and since being a jinchuuriki the bijuu which is inside you can free you from the genjutsu, so in theory Naruto Bee and Minato should be immune to the Mugen Tsukyomi, Sasuke has a sharingan so he wont be caught on, and Sakura has some resistance to it so she probably figure out that is a genjutsu.
 
Cuz the mugen tsukyomi is nothing else more than a genjutsu being cast on everyone ,it's not more strong than Itachi's tsukyomi which also ended with someome else putting chakra on Kakashi.
 
Plus the kyuubi chakra which Naruto put on everyone i dont know if this will make them immune to the Tsukyomi because Naruto can manipulate it to let the people immune, maybe the genjutsu will affect the edo tenseis like the one who affected Itachi.
 
Will kishi break this rule?

The fourth Mizukage was a perfect jin, yet he was under a genjutsu. Against Itachi Naruto said that if Itachi used Tsukyomi on Bee it would be over thus perfect Jin aren't immune to genjutsu, most likely they are immune to normal genjustsu but against potent gen like tsukyomi or koto even them are affected. I don’t see how Kishi would break his rules when it was never a rule to begin with.

[Dalton.T.R]

The thing with the NH fans... They just don't know how to accept facts from the story, even when the story is practically screaming something in their faces. This is what happens when the studio has too much power and makes a...well...I don't want to say crappy, but that's the only word that comes to mind. Anyway, Hinata has the biggest fanbase for a secondary character out of any other side character in any other series.And for what? What has she done that could make her have such a large fanbase? 

 

Breast size? If that were the case, then Tsunade would be overrated.

 

Looks? I'll admit that she's not bad looking for a character, but there are plenty of other characters that are better looking than her.

 

The only thing that comes to my mind is filler episodes. Okay, I don't mind if they make a few characters come out of their shells a little in filler episodes, but they really went too far with Hinata in several cases. Practically ANYTHING useful she's done was in a filler episode. If a character hardly talks or does anything special in the manga, then don't make them so over powered in the anime! I think we can all agree that Hinata would be nowhere near as popular as she is now if Filler episodes didn't exist.

[Superman333]

The thing with the NH fans... They just don't know how to accept facts from the story, even when the story is practically screaming something in their faces. This is what happens when the studio has too much power and makes a...well...I don't want to say crappy, but that's the only word that comes to mind. Anyway, Hinata has the biggest fanbase for a secondary character out of any other side character in any other series.And for what? What has she done that could make her have such a large fanbase? 

 

Breast size? If that were the case, then Tsunade would be overrated.

 

Looks? I'll admit that she's not bad looking for a character, but there are plenty of other characters that are better looking than her.

 

The only thing that comes to my mind is filler episodes. Okay, I don't mind if they make a few characters come out of their shells a little in filler episodes, but they really went too far with Hinata in several cases. Practically ANYTHING useful she's done was in a filler episode. If a character hardly talks or does anything special in the manga, then don't make them so over powered in the anime! I think we can all agree that Hinata would be nowhere near as popular as she is now if Filler episodes didn't exist.

that why when I make my manga and get it published I'm gone draw the manga and I'm gone make the Anime myself . I have no problem doing it . 

[Dalton.T.R]

You mean like the author of Fairy Tail? I remember reading some place that he over looks practically everything and won't let the studio do something without his approval. I wish Kishimoto would do that 

[Superman333]

You mean like the author of Fairy Tail? I remember reading some place that he over looks practically everything and won't let the studio do something without his approval. I wish Kishimoto would do that 

No I mean I'm going to make the manga and the anime myself . I'm gone do all that myself . I won't let a studio make the anime it takes the fun out of the job . 

[Dalton.T.R]

...ok...making your own anime...alrighty then ...

[Superman333]

...ok...making your own anime...alrighty then ...

lols I know its gone take alot of time .  but hey . 

Edited by Superman333, 06 September 2013 - 03:23 AM.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

You mean like the author of Fairy Tail? I remember reading some place that he over looks practically everything and won't let the studio do something without his approval. I wish Kishimoto would do that 

 

He probably doesn't want another Rave Master anime mishap.

[Dalton.T.R]

What happened with Rave Master?

[rocci]

I think the anime is not finish.

[Dalton.T.R]

Oh...yeah, that could be a problem...

[Superman333]

i don't get it ... whats wrong with the anime not being finished .? 

[deviouslyChaotic]

The thing with the NH fans... They just don't know how to accept facts from the story, even when the story is practically screaming something in their faces. This is what happens when the studio has too much power and makes a...well...I don't want to say crappy, but that's the only word that comes to mind. Anyway, Hinata has the biggest fanbase for a secondary character out of any other side character in any other series.And for what? What has she done that could make her have such a large fanbase? 

 

Breast size? If that were the case, then Tsunade would be overrated.

 

Looks? I'll admit that she's not bad looking for a character, but there are plenty of other characters that are better looking than her.

 

The only thing that comes to my mind is filler episodes. Okay, I don't mind if they make a few characters come out of their shells a little in filler episodes, but they really went too far with Hinata in several cases. Practically ANYTHING useful she's done was in a filler episode. If a character hardly talks or does anything special in the manga, then don't make them so over powered in the anime! I think we can all agree that Hinata would be nowhere near as popular as she is now if Filler episodes didn't exist.

Bolded. You don't know how much that annoys me. This happens even in other fandoms as well.

I don't understand why people can't accept a story for what it is. What is the purpose of denying or desperately trying to contradict CANON facts? I said this before, but the way that some people just dismiss canon in favor of fanon is, in my opinion, disrespectful to the author and his/her work. The canon is there for a reason so accept it for what it is and stop trying to downplay the author's intention.

I STILL see people desperately trying to compare Hinata to Kushina in hopes of negating the Kushina and Sakura parallel... I just don't see the point in that. Respect the parallel and respect Kishi's intentions for his own story. It's ok if they are not in favor of the way some things turn out, but at least acknowledge the truth and the facts presented before you. Don't just brush facts away so easily. I know that if I were to write a story, and my fans were to just ignore important canon facts, I would be very irritated and disappointed. :|

 

As for the rest of your post, I completely agree.

[Superman333]

Bolded. You don't know how much that annoys me. This happens even in other fandoms as well.

I don't understand why people can't accept a story for what it is. What is the purpose of denying or desperately trying to contradict CANON facts? I said this before, but the way that some people just dismiss canon in favor of fanon is, in my opinion, disrespectful to the author and his/her work. The canon is there for a reason so accept it for what it is and stop trying to downplay the author's intention.

I STILL see people desperately trying to compare Hinata to Kushina in hopes of negating the Kushina and Sakura parallel... I just don't see the point in that. Respect the parallel and respect Kishi's intentions for his own story. It's ok if they are not in favor of the way some things turn out, but at least acknowledge the truth and the facts presented before you. Don't just brush facts away so easily. I know that if I were to write a story, and my fans were to just ignore important canon facts, I would be very irritated and disappointed. :|

 

As for the rest of your post, I completely agree.

they setting they own hearts and souls for overkill . I'm tellin ya . 

[Jake]

i don't get it ... whats wrong with the anime not being finished .? 

 

Rave Master hasn't had a new Episode since 2002.

[morgaine4]

There is nothing wrong with wanting the best for your favorite character. That's understandable. But I've never understood the Hinata fans, instead of wanting her to grow up and be a great ninja, be awesome etc. they want her to get Naruto which means absolutely nothing for her character. As for the Sasuke fans well they are just .

 

This confuses me as well, because as a Sakura-fan, I was totally against all canon-pairings for the character.  I'd hope for her to decide at the end of the manga that there were other things she wanted to focus on instead of romance, not to "make a name" for herself, but inorder to implement new medical protocols in terms of mental health (as she's is a medic who has been directly impacted by having a teammate with some extreme mental health issues), and other things.  I wanted her to (and still kind of do) that she's too young to be focused on romance.  Even then though, it was blatantly obvious since Chapter 3 that NS was inevitable (if the romances were going to have closure, after all this manga is about the hero's journey as he attains his dreams despite seemingly imposible barriers), and I was fine with it since I didn't hate it as written canonically in the way I hated SS or NH (well, to be specific Hinata, I think the character is atrociously written).  And then 631 was released, we saw Naruto's reaction to Sakura's demand to be respected, and then I saw that in RtN Sakura's mom was a higher rank than her father, and in the alternate world Kushina was still an active kunoichi despite being a married mother, and I decided that NS was shippable.  But I agree, I don't understand wanting more for a character one likes, but then again the problem is is that as written there's is nothing to Hinata's character other than her feelings for Naruto.  She has no other drive, no other ambition, so to like Hinata canonically is to like NH and ship NH.

 

 

What I find hard to believe is how some people consider Naruto as over Sakura despite nothing saying he actually did get over her along with it making no sense that he would after all we've seen especially with 631.

 

Well, when "I like people like you" is interpreted to as "I love you, Hinata" then it makes sense that "I hate people who lie to themselves" means "I hate you, Sakura" so it's understandable on some level?

[Superman333]

 

Rave Master hasn't had a new Episode since 2002.

so basically the creator of it couldn't keep up with it because he tried to do both the Manga and the Anime himself .?

Edited by Superman333, 06 September 2013 - 04:57 AM.

[Superman333]

 

This confuses me as well, because as a Sakura-fan, I was totally against all canon-pairings for the character.  I'd hope for her to decide at the end of the manga that there were other things she wanted to focus on instead of romance, not to "make a name" for herself, but inorder to implement new medical protocols in terms of mental health (as she's is a medic who has been directly impacted by having a teammate with some extreme mental health issues), and other things.  I wanted her to (and still kind of do) that she's too young to be focused on romance.  Even then though, it was blatantly obvious since Chapter 3 that NS was inevitable (if the romances were going to have closure, after all this manga is about the hero's journey as he attains his dreams despite seemingly imposible barriers), and I was fine with it since I didn't hate it as written canonically in the way I hated SS or NH (well, to be specific Hinata, I think the character is atrociously written).  And then 631 was released, we saw Naruto's reaction to Sakura's demand to be respected, and then I saw that in RtN Sakura's mom was a higher rank than her father, and in the alternate world Kushina was still an active kunoichi despite being a married mother, and I decided that NS was shippable.  But I agree, I don't understand wanting more for a character one likes, but then again the problem is is that as written there's is nothing to Hinata's character other than her feelings for Naruto.  She has no other drive, no other ambition, so to like Hinata canonically is to like NH and ship NH.

 

 

 

Well, when "I like people like you" is interpreted to as "I love you, Hinata" then it makes sense that "I hate people who lie to themselves" means "I hate you, Sakura" so it's understandable on some level?

hence I say Hinata needs to get a life . 

[morgaine4]

hence I say Hinata needs to get a life . 

 

There's so much Hinata love and Sakura hate in the West (I don't know about other regions, so I'm trying to be specific), that it's completely missed that in many ways it seems Kishimoto has set up Hinata to be Sakura's foil.  Hinata is extremely priviledged, she has a strong family, a strong prominent clan, has a major Kekkei Genkai, has a Sensei who seemed to focus on her, has had bodyguards throughout her life (including recently as a 16 year old chuunin)...she's a character who has all the advantages of the world, but for the most part doesn't have the drive, the strength, or the courage to work hard and literally take the next step.  And even though she's improved, she still lags behind the others.  Hinata is the very opposite of Sakura, and not in a good way.  Sakura doesn't have a prominent family, she doesn't have a rich family that can provide her with bodyguards, she doens't have a Kekkei Genkai -rather the result of her genetics is that she doesn't have much chakra/has low stamina- her Sensei tends to ignore her unless he thinks she needs to be protected (as if he feels that he's been a 2nd chance to protect Rin, if he can protect Sakura).  All she has is the fact that she likes to read, that she's smart, that she's extremely good at memorizing, and she took that one talent and took an active role in bettering herself.  She saught Tsunade out, and asked to be an apprentice, she found a way to improve herself, rather than finding excuses to lag.

 

It's so obvious, it's shocks me that it's completely missed, and that a character as privileged as Hinata is often referred to as an "underdog."

Edited by morgaine4, 06 September 2013 - 05:13 AM.

[Superman333]

 

There's so much Hinata love and Sakura hate in the West (I don't know about other regions, so I'm trying to be specific), that it's completely missed that in many ways it seems Kishimoto has set up Hinata to be Sakura's foil.  Hinata is extremely priviledged, she has a strong family, a strong prominent clan, has a major Kekkei Genkai, has a Sensei who seemed to focus on her, has had bodyguards throughout her life (including recently as a 16 year old chuunin)...she's a character who has all the advantages of the world, but for the most part doesn't have the drive, the strength, or the courage to work hard and literally take the next step.  And even though she's improved, she still lags behind the others.  Hinata is the very opposite of Sakura, and not in a good way.  Sakura doesn't have a prominent family, she doesn't have a rich family that can provide her with bodyguards, she doens't have a Kekkei Genkai -rather the result of her genetics is that she doesn't have much chakra/has low stamina- her Sensei tends to ignore her unless he thinks she needs to be protected (as if he feels that he's been a 2nd chance to protect Rin, if he can protect Sakura).  All she has is the fact that she likes to read, that she's smart, that she's extremely good at memorizing, and she took that one talent and took an active role in bettering herself.  She saught Tsunade out, and asked to be an apprentice, she found a way to improve herself, rather than finding excuses to lag.

 

It's so obvious, it's shocks me that it's completely missed, and that a character as privileged as Hinata is often referred to as an "underdog."

yeah , if anything Sakura was the underdog who worked her way up just like Naruto did . Sakura has way more in common with Naruto than Hinata does . Not to mention the fact that Naruto makes Sakura better just like how Sakura makes Naruto better . They make each other better in everyway , Sakura always stated that its Naruto that makes her strive to be better and stronger , Naruto is like her inspiration . Naruto's driving force is Sakura , his strength is Sakura , Naruto and Sakura is each others better half . 

Edited by Superman333, 06 September 2013 - 05:28 AM.