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[BlueStarSaber]

 

I know how you feel... PercaBeth and the way the story was told in Percy Jackson was SO similar to the way Naruto is being told right now. Hinata being Rachel, Luke being Sasuke and Naruto and Sakura obviously Annabeth and Percy. Annabeth going from one who hated Percy to liking him subconsciously while throughout the entire story until the end she thought she loved Luke when she only thought of him as a brother. Rachel being Hinata was pushing her own feelings on Percy and risking herself for him only to realize that wasn't her destiny and she must persue what she was made to do. and ofcourse Percy gives up being a fricking god just for Annabeth. 

 

Yeah the two pairs are so much alike, have you read Mark of Athena?

[arian_rad]

 

Yeah the two pairs are so much alike, have you read Mark of Athena?

 

Yes, don't want to get too off-topic but having your pair rammed into the depths of hell...literally was not a good feeling.

[BlueStarSaber]

 

Yes, don't want to get too off-topic but having your pair rammed into the depths of hell...literally was not a good feeling.

 

Well just one more month until we see what happens next, the Mark of Athena made my cry. I don't know what I would do if something like that happened to Naruto and Sakura.

[Inferno180]

If the pairing stuff for Naruto like Avatar should say anything, it all falls back to one simple fact:

 

Read the scene, see what has more focus and screentime. If many of the scenes between Naruto and Sakura following Gaara and especially the POAL have a good amount of care and compassion displayed, leading to more development, chances are it has the focus for a reason. Even for those who claimed NS "dead" in 469, they obviously didn't find it funny enough that there was still practically nothing done for NH. See the irony? NS dead but NH still doesnt develop? Yeah 631 cleared up the Kushina stuff and gave a practical reaffirmation for who naruto loves. Yets fans still ingore stuff like that at this point.

[BlueStarSaber]

If the pairing stuff for Naruto like Avatar should say anything, it all falls back to one simple fact:

 

Read the scene, see what has more focus and screentime. If many of the scenes between Naruto and Sakura following Gaara and especially the POAL have a good amount of care and compassion displayed, leading to more development, chances are it has the focus for a reason. Even for those who claimed NS "dead" in 469, they obviously didn't find it funny enough that there was still practically nothing done for NH. See the irony? NS dead but NH still doesnt develop? Yeah 631 cleared up the Kushina stuff and gave a practical reaffirmation for who naruto loves. Yets fans still ingore stuff like that at this point.

Sadly it seems most rather focus on happening now and not long term here is something I fond in a converstation with NH fans and this is what they said about NS chances of happening:

 

"I just hate is hate for the hyuga (and hinata). I mean, okay, you're an uchija d rider. Calm down. They're not that great. Not great at all. Seriously, not only do not all of them get the sharingan, but not all of them even make it to 3t or much less MS, or Even more, EMS. The hyuga could pretty easily beat MS users and solo 3t users.

, Sakura? Really? NARUSAKU has 0% chance of coning through this far in, its ridiculous how some peopleeven think so. Tbh, I really don't care about pairing much. But I am logical person. In early shippuden it seemed like NS was gonna happen, but after the pain arc and especiallyafyer the false confession and hand hold, naruhina is 89% gonna happen."

 

"Yeah I know but I don't want to seem like an idiot if narusaku does happen so I usually stay neutral on it and although it would be logical at this point for NH to happen I wouldn't be suprised if Kishi trolled us

You have a good point there.. even if there was three tomoe users they might have been a minority in the Uchiha clan.. I can believe the Hyuuga clan can>Uchiha clan except for the special ones like Itachi, Sasuke, Madara, and maybe izuna.. shishui didn't really have feats so I'm counting him out besides I'm sure a hyuuga can see through his genjutsu as that one guy did when he saw Mifune."

 

"Narusaku can't happen : D it is seriously horrible writing if it did happen, simply because it's been butchered so badly. Besides hinata was made before Sakura, in 1998, before the series began, and seh was depicted as naruto's liver. Narusaku gas no "if". Not to mention Sakura ---> sasuke.

The special ones are the special cases indeed. But I think neji would stand a decent chance against them anyways."

[Superman333]

Sadly it seems most rather focus on happening now and not long term here is something I fond in a converstation with NH fans and this is what they said about NS chances of happening:

 

"I just hate is hate for the hyuga (and hinata). I mean, okay, you're an uchija d rider. Calm down. They're not that great. Not great at all. Seriously, not only do not all of them get the sharingan, but not all of them even make it to 3t or much less MS, or Even more, EMS. The hyuga could pretty easily beat MS users and solo 3t users.

, Sakura? Really? NARUSAKU has 0% chance of coning through this far in, its ridiculous how some peopleeven think so. Tbh, I really don't care about pairing much. But I am logical person. In early shippuden it seemed like NS was gonna happen, but after the pain arc and especiallyafyer the false confession and hand hold, naruhina is 89% gonna happen."

 

"Yeah I know but I don't want to seem like an idiot if narusaku does happen so I usually stay neutral on it and although it would be logical at this point for NH to happen I wouldn't be suprised if Kishi trolled us

You have a good point there.. even if there was three tomoe users they might have been a minority in the Uchiha clan.. I can believe the Hyuuga clan can>Uchiha clan except for the special ones like Itachi, Sasuke, Madara, and maybe izuna.. shishui didn't really have feats so I'm counting him out besides I'm sure a hyuuga can see through his genjutsu as that one guy did when he saw Mifune."

 

"Narusaku can't happen : D it is seriously horrible writing if it did happen, simply because it's been butchered so badly. Besides hinata was made before Sakura, in 1998, before the series began, and seh was depicted as naruto's liver. Narusaku gas no "if". Not to mention Sakura ---> sasuke.

The special ones are the special cases indeed. But I think neji would stand a decent chance against them anyways."

SMH at all these statements . 

[BlueStarSaber]

SMH at all these statements . 

 

What does SMH stand for?

[LuckyChi7]

 

What does SMH stand for?

 

shaking my head 

Edited by LuckyChi7, 05 September 2013 - 10:27 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

 

shaking my head 

Ah yeah that does seem to go with what they said.

[Inferno180]

funny how there are no claims for nh nor stuff they use as examples against NS, not to mention concept art arguments doesn't hold crap if it never was actually used. We don't need to listen to lunk headed arguments, if 12 year olds read better than them, no point in debating with them.

[Superman333]

funny how there are no claims for nh nor stuff they use as examples against NS, not to mention concept art arguments doesn't hold crap if it never was actually used. We don't need to listen to lunk headed arguments, if 12 year olds read better than them, no point in debating with them.

they basically take all the NS evidence and just replace Sakura with Hinata or Naruto with Sasuke . So basically they twist around the NS evidence to make it into NH and SS  . 

Edited by Superman333, 05 September 2013 - 10:44 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

funny how there are no claims for nh nor stuff they use as examples against NS, not to mention concept art arguments doesn't hold crap if it never was actually used. We don't need to listen to lunk headed arguments, if 12 year olds read better than them, no point in debating with them

 

You know I once found online a Zutara who said his/her younger sisters (I believe) that they saw that Kataang was going to happen but I he/she "talked" them into surporting Zutara.

[Inferno180]

Reason people ship stuff varies greatly, I mean nothing wrong with crack stuff but when a story goes on and on and a possible one gets more evidence over another, well whats the smaller one to do? Zutara fans just held the hopes that theirs would come true despite the fact that Zuko finally joined at episode 50, 5/6th of the way in the story, yet they expected all that other displayed stuff of Aang towards Katara to just vanish, even the katara to aang stuff. The story was practically done by episode 50. The whole story is 62 episodes so who the hell would even think only a half season could somehow top an entire past 2 years and previous 50 episode ordeal that did display this? This is basically what SS and NH are operating by, mostly SS but even NH just due to the short coming stuff and how infrequently she is shown. Seriously what makes more sense, a lot of screentime for nothing in the end or a sudden one without much prior development? I mean at this point, if Naruto even outright says he loves Sakura and there is a panel of him saying that or some connection to the Sakura-Kushina background is made like their hated feature or how they used to look down on them, then what are the NH crowd expecting to happen? I mean what other girl hated a feature of hers, hated Naruto, and didn't think he could become hokage like Sakura did, Kushina did all this but to Minato. Seriously if Kushinas background involved a family issue, self confidence issues, or something else related to Kushina and Minato had to step in, then wouldn't that make more sense? I mean seriously what are people expecting? NH apparently somehow. In pairing its when the denial or whiteout of actual content right then and there is ignored or tried to be argued as something else.

 

Simply stuff like NS development or the NS-MK stuff is treated as "la la la, we're not listening" routine from those against NS.

Edited by Inferno180, 05 September 2013 - 11:50 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

Well hopefully they will reread the manga to see how it all came to be if not let them rage it will do them no good

[Nostradamus]

but what about Naruto's life and what about Naruto's feelings .? Naruto had a worser life than Sasuke , at least Sasuke actually seen his mom and probably dad for some years , at least he had recognition and wasn't suffering from lonliness . And last Hinata's infatuation with naruto should not even be compared to Naruto's TRUE FEELINGS OF LOVE . Naruto deserves his happiness (being Hokage and getting Sakura) and to be honest and no bashing but Sasuke needs to kill himself and Hinata needs to get a life  . 

I'm sorry but do you really believe this story is about Naruto? What are you high? Let me tell man it's not about Naruto, it's about Sasuke being the best and restoring his clan and this story also has a love part. The romance in this story is about the most beautiful fairytale princess the world has ever seen Hinata Hyuga and she must defeat the evil witch of the story Sakura Haruno in order to win the heart of some guy called Naruto.

 

Sorry about that but I needed to do that. The problem is the majority of fans actually think like that, of course I've exaggerated but you get the idea. Now I'm not saying all the NH/Sasuke fans are like that but the ones that I've encountered are pretty close to the exaggeration that I've made above.

 

 

 

 

Yes, I don't blame them for wanting the best for their favorite characters--there's nothing wrong with that, but sometimes the way they act is just a bit... much. They certainly are the louder parts of the fandom that's for sure hahaha.

 

There is nothing wrong with wanting the best for your favorite character. That's understandable. But I've never understood the Hinata fans, instead of wanting her to grow up and be a great ninja, be awesome etc. they want her to get Naruto which means absolutely nothing for her character. As for the Sasuke fans well they are just .

 

 

 

 

 

So by their arguments we could safely say that Naruto deserves Sakura and the Hokage seat ,because hm lets see , not only was she loathed and despised from the villagers but he didn't have one friend . I'm starting to see a skewed pattern here ,

Hinata loved Naruto from behind a tree ,but did she do anything to save him from his despair then? Nope.

 

 

 

For them it doesn't matter that Hinata did nothing for Naruto when he was alone. When I told them about this, they said that I'm a hater and an idiot and I don't understand Hinata's character.

[Masque]

I'm more concerned that Hinata was once depicted as Naruto's "liver" pretty disturbing even for a typo

[Superman333]

I'm sorry but do you really believe this story is about Naruto? What are you high? Let me tell man it's not about Naruto, it's about Sasuke being the best and restoring his clan and this story also has a love part. The romance in this story is about the most beautiful fairytale princess the world has ever seen Hinata Hyuga and she must defeat the evil witch of the story Sakura Haruno in order to win the heart of some guy called Naruto.

 

Sorry about that but I needed to do that. The problem is the majority of fans actually think like that, of course I've exaggerated but you get the idea. Now I'm not saying all the NH/Sasuke fans are like that but the ones that I've encountered are pretty close to the exaggeration that I've made above.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you good dude I understand lols .  i deal with a whole bunch of em just like that Naruto doesn't matter , neither does Sakura for that matter . It seems that the story is all about Sasuke and Hinata lols . I honestly believe they are trapped in a Genjutsu . 

Edited by Superman333, 06 September 2013 - 12:31 AM.

[Nostradamus]

 

Naruto Hachibi and Minato should immune to genjutsu.
Genjutsu rule is : To break from a genjutsu someome else must put chakra on you, explained by Killer bee and since being a jinchuuriki the bijuu which is inside you can free you from the genjutsu, so in theory Naruto Bee and Minato should be immune to the Mugen Tsukyomi, Sasuke has a sharingan so he wont be caught on, and Sakura has some resistance to it so she probably figure out that is a genjutsu.

 

Cuz the mugen tsukyomi is nothing else more than a genjutsu being cast on everyone ,it's not more strong than Itachi's tsukyomi which also ended with someome else putting chakra on Kakashi.

 

Plus the kyuubi chakra which Naruto put on everyone i dont know if this will make them immune to the Tsukyomi because Naruto can manipulate it to let the people immune, maybe the genjutsu will affect the edo tenseis like the one who affected Itachi.

 

Will kishi break this rule?

 

If Kishi plans to have Obito active the infinite tsukuyomi then he will break the genjutsu rule. But it won't be the first time Kishi breaks his own rules. There are a lot of retcons in part 2.

[Inferno180]

What I find hard to believe is how some people consider Naruto as over Sakura despite nothing saying he actually did get over her along with it making no sense that he would after all we've seen especially with 631. I mean isn't it funny that all fans say Naruto is going to succeed in his main goals like hokage and Sasuke yet give up or move on from loving Sakura? Isn't that funny, Naruto giving up on one thing? Well then we cannot expect Naruto to never give up anymore if he abandoned Sakura. Geez, the whole more or less his girlfriend he basically considers her as should be enough. Yeah it was a joke but why would he do that if he was so in love with Hinata? Seriously, Naruto didn't give up on Sakura yet I find it funny that so many claim he did, I mean Sai's words to him in 470 or so should be reason enough for him to have seen her actions, hes loved her for years before that and it would make no sense for it to just go away so suddenly over a small argument, even to which Sai says the reasons for her actions towards him, it makes no sense for his feelings to sway just like that. Seriously, 631 gave us answers with Sakura-Kushina and Naruto still saying he likes her I mean if he really considers her his girlfriend then that should be enough. A moment like that leading to the kushina thing is a good hint enough. Yet people just try to say its over despite NH having gotten nothing, pain and 615 still managed to go unaddressed for a good period and still have not had an advancement like NS has just over 631. Its funny in the claim of NS being dead because with it "dead" NH still got practically nowhere and remains in limbo again, as it was before. NS didn't have its resolution, still hasn't. It has a lot more to come, especially now with those 631 events, don't know why people think its gone and rage when there were plenty of hints around but hey, as said before, people just don't want to listen to those hints.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Its official , you destroyed them ^_^. Now this is very amusing Hinata and Sakura talked how many times in the manga? 2? Maybe 3? Someone refresh my memory , because i don't recall many interactions .

deviouslyChaotic is right if Naruto and Hinata were in a relationship or even she was more or less his gf ... then they could say that Sakura would have to bow out and leave the two love birds to resolve/recognize their mutual feelings.

But no, apparently that would be too much........

Its the other way around , isn't it ? Instead of butting in and demanding Naruto's affection and heart , pinning sticky notes that he is her property something like Hinata  was depicted in RTN which is exactly how her fans force those characteristics in her , but imply that we do feelings and some other stuff in Sakura . I have the feelings Kishi made her after the fans arguments about her character , but that's just my catch on the situation, maybe he did made those AU and converted characters ,concentrated on their feelings especially Naruto's, which are denied to this very day .

I don't see anything logical in this except the fact that Hinata has to be rewarded yet again.
 

 

All those type of fans are in America, and I doubt Kishimoto took the time to research the American fanbase.  As another has said, Hinata doesn't need to be with Naruto to be rewarded.  Plus, it's the wrong type of view because Naruto isn't a prize to be won.

 

It's not special at all. Naruto just thanked her and Neji for standing by his side as friends. As Dαrkrєrsŧ said (I think he said this, I'm not sure) Naruto just friend-zoned her in that chapter. Like I said it's not special at all. The fans exaggerated this moment, even our own fandom at the beginning. 

 

 

@deviouslyChaotic Like I said the majority of the people that read Naruto are actually Hinata and Sasuke fans or they are just the loudest out there. They want Hinata to get her prize because she loved Naruto from day one and that means she must get him. And they want Sasuke to be Hokage because his life was so tragic and he deserves to be happy.

 

Sasuke deserves to be Hokage, because he had it rough?  Of course, like the others hadn't had any difficulty.  Naruto aside, Lee had to work three times as heard as everyone else to become a ninja.  He also had to go through almost giving up the chance to continue as one.  Neji lost his dad due to his clans old traditions and grew up bitter to the main branch because of it.  How about every other Jinchuuriki, who had basically same kind of like as Naruto, being hated out of people's fear and anger.  Sure, Sasuke deserves to be happy, when he betrayed his village, tried to kill his former team on numerous occasions, directly stabbed Karin, left Juugo and Suigetsu at the summit, and willingly took a revenge path that lead to nothing but only more revenge and emptiness.  After all, he's done, he still shows no compassion to those who still care for him.  Yeah, he deserves so much.

 

but what about Naruto's life and what about Naruto's feelings .? Naruto had a worser life than Sasuke , at least Sasuke actually seen his mom and probably dad for some years , at least he had recognition and wasn't suffering from lonliness . And last Hinata's infatuation with naruto should not even be compared to Naruto's TRUE FEELINGS OF LOVE . Naruto deserves his happiness (being Hokage and getting Sakura) and to be honest and no bashing but Sasuke needs to kill himself and Hinata needs to get a life  . 

 

I'm not going to go into who suffered more or not, because that's all relative.  However, the undeniable fact is Naruto suffered a great deal also.  We've seen Naruto still come out the bigger person when it matters, while Sasuke continues to be selfish all the time.  Even his desire to become Hokage now is selfish.  This alone shows the difference between them.  The contrast of one who had nothing but gained so much, and the one who lost everything, and willingly throws away all he could have gained.

 

 

Yes, don't want to get too off-topic but having your pair rammed into the depths of hell...literally was not a good feeling.

 

Is this a metaphor, or did this actually happen in the story?

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 06 September 2013 - 02:50 AM.