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#741 Smiter

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Posted 30 December 2004 - 10:35 AM

I wholeheartedly agree with Alpha and Yoko!

The Viz translation was bearable at first, but then it gradually got worse. Volume 5 was the final straw. Not only are the characterisations becoming more inaccurate thanks to their obsession with "making it cool", the moves are starting to be given silly names that have nothing to do with their actual nature/functions.

Not only is their translation way below par compared to Toriyama's World and Inane, they also take FOUR MONTHS in-between each volume! Whereas the release is much quicker in Japan (just a little above two months I think). That would mean there is no way Viz can catch up to the manga until it's finished. It is hard to believe that they can take so long producing such substandard translation (it sometimes feels like they didn't even READ the original Japanese and just threw in lines they thought were cool), when Inane can do a sterling job in so little time - AND that includes cleaning up/repainting the RAW scans!

I will no longer be purchasing the Viz manga. If I do ever buy any more Naruto books, it will be the Japanese manga/artbooks. As of now, they are collecting dust under my bed. tongue.gif

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Posted 30 December 2004 - 11:18 AM

How about mass complaining in emails and demanding they actually translate the story instead of rewriting the entire thing? I've got nothing against kittening directly at the idiots responsible.

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Posted 30 December 2004 - 12:19 PM

It's only a matter of time before NICKY appears on FoxBox

Watch Naruto... er Nicky use Kage Buushin!

Nicky: ART OF THE DOPPLEGANGERS!

Watch Sasuke... er Sammy use the sharing man eye!

Sammy: With these eyes you'll be able to share your techniques with me!

Watch Kakashi-Sensei... er Professor Karate.... er I mean Teacher Karl use the super shiny energy blade attack!

Teacher Karl: ::uses Chidori on Zabuze unfortunately Haku does not get impaled he just get's punched in the chest::

All on the next NICKY: FUTURE PRESIDENT OF THE LEAF!

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Posted 30 December 2004 - 03:36 PM

Agreed, Smiter. They give a ridiculous two chapters a month for each of their titles. Just, no.

However, they seem to be doing an alright job translating Rurouni Kenshin, since they're already up to volume ten next month, and they've only been releasing them for a little over a year. They should be doing that for all of them. It's not like they're going to run out of titles. XP
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Posted 30 December 2004 - 03:56 PM

QUOTE (Aethos @ Dec 30 2004, 06:19 AM)
Teacher Karl: ::uses Chidori on Zabuze unfortunately Haku does not get impaled he just get's punched in the chest::

gah it was so annoying that the anime did that...in the manga kakashis hand goes through Haku's chest, not just in it, i really wanted to see it bloody-er
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With me by the ol' tree, where no one could care

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Posted 31 December 2004 - 08:24 AM

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"I RULE AND YOU DROOL!"

"Oh man, I'm so screwed!"

Both from the first chapter. Both branded into my memory for eternity. *sighs*


...

That settles it. I'm never buying anything Viz, will just thank my lucky stars I know Mandarin and will continue buying the Mandarin-translated volumes (I knew there was a reason I don't totally hate living here! Hurrah!) which brilliantly only cost rm4.50 a volume anyway (USD1.00 = RM3.80). I'll get around to learning Japanese some day *tears bubble up anime-style*
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Posted 31 December 2004 - 11:00 AM

Well think of it this way at least they're not changing a letter of Kakashi's name or something and then reprinting all the past volumes of the manga to hide their mistake.

Unlike The Zolo Incident.

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Posted 02 January 2005 - 08:13 AM

Some crazy new theories from the N***H***'s

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she is like the only person that has had a backstory showen out of the female ninjas not even much is really known about sakura, but then i have heard the creator doesnt acctually like sakura so there is such a high level chance at N***H*** and that makes me so happy happy.gif


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And I agree... otherwise he wouldn't have made Naruto a huge part of Hinata's life... and develop her enough so that she was an actual round character, not just another flat character. Also with her last cameo before the Gaiden hinted that.

Also... >.> Ryuusei is a large hint... You know that ending song where the girls are on the beach... N***H*** written all over it...


Now they're using ending songs and saying that just because Hinata has a backstory... wait a minute Sakura and Ino HAD a backstory.

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Posted 02 January 2005 - 09:21 AM

LOL oh man, using ending song as a proof...

Let's see there, Dinit they show Sakura,Ino and Tenten also? what does that mean? Naruto loves all of them now? umm
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Posted 03 January 2005 - 01:24 AM

It's funny and sad to see how far people go to prove that their fave pairing will come true. imagine what a hardcore Tenten\Naruto or Naruto/Tenten fans would have to say to prove that those parining will happend.

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Posted 03 January 2005 - 04:11 AM

The post that is showing Sakura vs Hinata in the NarutoForum is ....

You guys should see the replies there. It's horrible.

They mostly use the Hinata put up a good match agaisnt Neji so that means she the best!! but maybe she did good agaisnt him because they use the same skills and she ALREADY has a much better chance agaisnt Neji then anyone else like i.e Lee or Sakura...
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Posted 03 January 2005 - 04:19 AM

QUOTE (Faucon @ Jan 3 2005, 12:11 AM)
The post that is showing Sakura vs Hinata in the NarutoForum is ....

You guys should see the replies there. It's horrible.

They mostly use the Hinata put up a good match agaisnt Neji so that means she the best!! but maybe she did good agaisnt him because they use the same skills and she ALREADY has a much better chance agaisnt Neji then anyone else like i.e Lee or Sakura...


Funny thing about that example. Neji was just playing with her anyway. Remember after he hits her the first time and they're locked together? He pulls back her sleeve and shows how he closed all of the tenketsu in her arms?
And this is the critical part here everybody, so all together now:
WITHOUT HER NOTICING
Oh yeah. Hinata's a better ninja than Sakura, for sure. This is combat. You play by your enemy's rules and go at his pace, you are dead. She almost died, people. Died.

He didn't even have to use the Kaiten against her, because she wasn't remotely a challenge. Naruto tricked him and forced him onto the defensive. Sakura has proved herself to be rather tricksy as well (alright, it was all of once, but she was tricksy I say!)

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Posted 03 January 2005 - 04:22 AM

Here the link to the battle

^ Here
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Posted 03 January 2005 - 04:36 AM

Check this.

I converted one! Rejoice brothers (in the Old Testament sense, when everyone was covered by the term 'man,') for another joins our cause!

Huh... I don't think I've ever actually admitted to being a NaruSaku crusader before. Odd that. Oh well. None hate the Sasuke-bird more than I!

Update: After reading your Sakura vs. Hinata thread Faucon, my eyes are hurting. A lot. It's like lemon juice or something was squirted in there. I'm probably bleeding. How can people be so... foolish? I will admit that it is not right for me to call people stupid for stating their opinions, but these people are retarded. That's not generally a word I use, as you may have noticed, but I feel it is rather appropriate here.

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I don't think that Kishimoto made Hinata get such respect from her fight with neji for nothing.....however the serving tea part is just her being her usual nice self. And as for Hinata's motivation....she would not have made it to the elimination matches if it weren't for her ambition to do so. It almost seems that Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke wouldn't have made it to the finals without kabuto.
In the future I see sakura and hinata very equal as the medical arts and soft hand techniques are very similar. Both of these fighting styles target the internal
If Hinata and Sakura fight three years from now I predict a stalemate as they are both intent on destroying each others internal organs. If Hinata and Sakura we're to be paired up before this three year skip I feel that Hinata would come out on top. Both Hinata and Sakura have massive potential. It would be hard for even Hinata to deal with a giant slug.


Is this even based on the manga? Are they even paying attention? Since when does Hinata have massive potential? I sure haven't seen this and I've read the manga very, very carefully.

I would like to take a moment and remind everyone what chakra control is for: Chakra control is for everything. Chakra boosts everything. Period. Taijutsu, Ninjutsu, Genjutsu, Kinjutsu, Kenjutsu, Hijutsu, Doujutsu, all the freaking jutsu, every single one of them is powered by chakra. Don't believe me? Rock Lee and Uchiha Itachi are faster than the eye, even the Sharingan ones. How is this even possible, if not for boosting your physical prowess with chakra? Itachi doesn't seem to be the sort to run for hours on end, day after day after day until he achieved such a speed. He does it with finesse, because he's a badass mofo. Rock Lee does it with brute force, pushing himself harder and harder. He can't use ninjutsu or genjutsu, which means his chakra control is probably even worse than Naruto's, so he's got to push and do everything the hard way.
Sure, Lee may not be able to use jutsu, but he sure as hell throws a lot of chakra around with those crazy taijutsu moves. He's got to have a ton of the stuff.
Chakra control = crazy strength/speed/toughness
That's how Kabuto survived a Rasengan. By reinforcing his abdomen with chakra before it was disintegrated.
It is physically impossible for Sakura to have pulled the mast out of a boat and swung it like a baseball bat. She's not big enough to balance, her arms aren't long enough to get a proper grip, and she shouldn't be strong enough to do the deed. But she did. That's what chakra control can do on the physical side. That's why Taijutsu is just as dangerous as Ninjutsu or Genjutsu.
If you hit someone hard enough before they can fight back, then the fight is over.
Striking first is nice, but striking last is better. No one ever adds the corrolary 'but doing both is best.'
Sakura should be dangerous. Very very very dangerous. Give her some techniques and some goddamn variety, and the girl should be able to handle most of the stuff that comes her way.

And why does everyone think the Byakugan can see through Bunshin no Jutsu? It can't see through Kage Bunshin no Jutsu, and we've never seen the interaction between Byakugan and Bunshin, so we have no reason to believe that it can. In fact, since we have seen it can't see through one, we have to assume it can't see through the other, because this is the way logic works. Always assume the disadvantage unless demonstrated otherwise.

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Posted 03 January 2005 - 04:43 AM

Well now you have to bring him here to this board now or does he know this place already?
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Posted 03 January 2005 - 05:19 AM

QUOTE (Faucon @ Jan 3 2005, 12:43 AM)
Well now you have to bring him here to this board now or does he know this place already?


Hell if I know. I just read this five minutes ago. I just thought you should know that I'm doing my part for the cause. I'll see what I can do. Maybe I'll email this person and see what they have to say.
She seems reasonably intelligent and straightforward enough to be honest with us, so I'll pass along the invite.
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Posted 03 January 2005 - 05:49 AM

QUOTE (Geno Calamari @ Jan 3 2005, 12:36 AM)
And why does everyone think the Byakugan can see through Bunshin no Jutsu? It can't see through Kage Bunshin no Jutsu, and we've never seen the interaction between Byakugan and Bunshin, so we have no reason to believe that it can. In fact, since we have seen it can't see through one, we have to assume it can't see through the other, because this is the way logic works. Always assume the disadvantage unless demonstrated otherwise.


i never thought about byakugan vs. bunshin/kageB, but in kage bunshin, the user divides chakra evenly between the clones... but in normal bunshin, being just illusions, the clones theoretically wouldn't have as much as the original.

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Posted 03 January 2005 - 08:49 AM

This is EXACTLY what I said in response to that Sakura vs Hinata thread.

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You know... erg forget it.... Screw debating and all that other crap.

Sakura wins. Why because she's obviously stronger than Hinata a girl who's inferior to a 7 year old.

Hinata probably couldn't beat Konohamaru either or the three ninja's from episode 101

And you know I'm obviously doing this because of the high amount of Sakura-bashing in this thread. Since this thread was probably made for that purpose alone. And I for one am sick and tired of Sakura being underestimated compared to Hinata who hasn't even done anything worth proving her strength towards. She hasn't beaten anyone heck she hasn't even tied against anyone. Personally I think Hinata is overrated.

Besides I debated about this enough in the useless nin thread if anyone has a problem with my feelings towards Hinata well sorry. Not all of us are attracted to Hinata or whatever she has under that jacket of hers. Especially when it's obvious that in the end Sakura will be more woman than Hinata could ever be.

Wait wait wait. You're saying she could beat Sakura just because she has a bloodline? One I might add that she can't use as effectively as Neji. Hmm let's see Hinata knows The Byakuugan which she only uses as a telescope for Kiba and Jyuuken which she's not good at using anyways since she obviously is inferior to Hanabi.

So let me get this straight just because Sakura doesn't have a signature jutsu like everyone else that means she automatically loses? How biased is that? Have you ever thought that maybe the story focuses more on Naruto and Sasuke while Sakura is probably the most ignored of Kakashi's students. After all at least Kurenai has tried to help Hinata. What has Kakashi done for Sakura?

Also don't you think she isn't capable of using high level jutsu's because of her low chakra capacity? She's more suited for the medical field and she's beginning to move in the right direction. Even before the time skip Sakura would kick Hinata's ass and after the time skip she would practically be able to kill Hinata without even trying.

even if I am over generalizing Hinata fans I think it's about time someone put the more extreme and radical Hinata fans in their place. I'm sick and tired of seeing Sakura bashed so that Hinata can be praised. Hinata hasn't done anything special or note worthy so I don't see how people can claim she's superior to anyone.

Look we don't even know the full extent of Sakura's skills since Team 7's focus is mostly on Sasuke and Naruto yet so far people in here are all "LOLLERSKATES SAKURA NEVER TRAINS OR HAS SPECIAL JUTSU'S SO HINATA WOULD KICK HER ASS BECAUSE SAKURA IZ TEH SUX0RZ LOLWTFBBQ!!!!!1111111"

Oh yeah forget the fact that Sakura's basically ignored just so that the Naruto vs Sasuke rivalry could be shown. We just haven't seen Sakura's full potential that's all personally I think if Sakura went all out she could kill Hinata if she wanted and Hinata wouldn't be able to fight back.

Erg I'm already getting a headache from having to put up with another Hinata vs Sakura thread.


And while I admit I had the Hinata elite flaming me afterwards I really don't care! Why? Because it's about time they get put in their place.

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Posted 03 January 2005 - 11:11 AM

*shakes head, sighing*

Well, you have to hand it to the fanboys - they are very stubborn. Idiotic reasoning, but stubborn nonetheless.

Geno and Aethos are right. Out of the two ladies, Sakura possesses the most potential by far. Why? Because she has perfect chakra control and is extremely intelligent. Hell, she was the ONLY GENIN who could answer all the questions in the First Chuunin Exam without cheating.

Remember that Sakura's Nindo was pretty much non-existent and she did not really have an aim in the early manga - asides from trying to fulfil her schoogirl-crush fantasties on Uchiha Sasuke.

The point is that you cannot truly excel in a sport, hobby, or vocation without a higher aim, a purpose. You cannot bring your best out without anything to direct it at.

Hinata stumbled across her Nindo while facing off against Neji. Sure, he was just playing with her, but she did find her Nindo. Sakura has only just recently found hers (in Chapter 236, to protect those that are precious to her) and her newfound medic-nin path suits that perfectly.

Now that Sakura has a purpose, an aim, watch her grow.

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Posted 03 January 2005 - 02:23 PM

I'm surpised that you seemed to be the only one that wasn't bashing Sakura in that topic. It's really sad to see how far theses Fanboys/girls are going out of their way to make a minor Character like Hinata (The only Leaf Gennin more minor is Tenten) seem better then she is. Out of the 9 Rookies and Gai's team she might be even be the weakest if anything she is strong or a little stronger then Sakura. I don' care what any Hinata fanboy tells me there is noway before the time skip that she could beat Temari.




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