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[RedDelicious]

Can I ask something and I really want an honest answer out of this one.

When can we really finally say "This is canon" and not be told to "Not think that way." I just want to draw the line here cause it seems like even if it is 100% confirmed we still shouldn't say "confirmed."

Nothing for Nothing, but what would be the moment that cements it without question?

I want to draw the line here, as well.
Naruto saying girlfriend, Sakura not denying it (which she would have at the beginning of the series), Minato approving...

But let's say someone is very cynical, but not "friend who is a girl, not girlfriend" delusional...

Everything up to the last chapter can be ret-conned at any moment, if Kishi wants to, by saying "Eye of the Moon has taken effect".
I don't think it is happening (and if it did, there would be a lot of readers upset at being trolled), but
it would explain why Madara isn't doing much recently, the calvary in the form of zombie Kages arriving
(including Naruto's dad), Sasuke fighting with the Alliance, etc. As bleak as things are for the army in general,
things are looking up for the characters that we know by person.

Edited by RedDelicious, 22 May 2013 - 09:33 PM.

[HauntedCake]

Lets say it this way: Kishimoto made huge development with NS throughout the whole story, he showed kushinas last words to naruto to find a girl like her. Minato says that sakura is that girl. Now im asking myself, what was the reason of all that if hes not making it canon. Its true that he could do anything with it. He could just forget it and act like it never happend, but that makes out my next question: why should he do something like that or said differnetly how likely is it for him to riun his story? You can say NS is officially canon as soon as they are a couple in the manga, but i say its now canon because i see no chance or possible reason for kishi to forget the development he added in this story and complety damage it.

I agree. I think it's now impossible for NH to happen at all. SS is... most likely going to die due to sasuke wanted to be hokage/ conflicting with sakura wanted Naruto to be hokage

[CloudMountainJuror]

Can I ask something and I really want an honest answer out of this one.

When can we really finally say "This is canon" and not be told to "Not think that way." I just want to draw the line here cause it seems like even if it is 100% confirmed we still shouldn't say "confirmed."

Nothing for Nothing, but what would be the moment that cements it without question?

Seeing them get together on-screen. Or having it hinted at in a serious manner. This chapter is definitely support for NaruSaku, as it shows Minato seeing the similarities between Sakura and Kushina. However, we're not there yet.

I'm not taking the girlfriend statement seriously because it felt like the same thing that happened back when Konohamaru joked with Naruto that Sakura was in Part 1 and Naruto didn't deny, and Sakura hit them. Plus, if Kishimoto had Sakura and Naruto get together off-screen... I call bullsh**.

EDIT: I just saw this on Tumblr, and it's perfect for this post:

Edited by zacrathedemon5, 22 May 2013 - 09:42 PM.

[KnS]

I've read this chapter three times now. I'm still not sure I've found the right words, but here are a few of my thoughts.

+ Overall I was excited for this chapter. #630 was a good primer so I believed good things could happen, but I admit I did NOT expect Kishimoto to pack so much into a single chapter. I'm still reeling from all there is to consider.

+ Every time I get to the panel where Minato turns and asks if Sakura is Naruto's girlfriend, I have to sit back and laugh. It's just so... TERRIFIC. A lot of ground was covered in those panels -- Minato's observation of the relationship, Naruto's confirmation of his feelings, Sakura's predictable tsundere reaction (which was clearer proof of where things are going between them than if she'd reacted seriously), and Minato's confirmation of Sakura's similarity to Kushina -- and it's not any one thing it's all of it put together. The whole thing is absolute gold. *glee*

"I leave my son in your capable hands...." We couldn't have hoped for anything better or more obviously foreshadowing than that.

+ Kishimoto didn't simply fire a shot at the other ships, he pretty much emptied the clip. MangaStream vs. ManagaPanda... no matter how you parse the language the meaning is the same: Naruto loves Sakura. She is and always has been the object of his romantic affection. HE LOVES HER. HE'S IN LOVE WITH HER. I have believed that since chapter #3, but Kishimoto kindly addressed the doubters here and put the matter to rest.

Naruto's affirmation of his feelings/intentions toward Sakura effectively ends any positive romantic potential for NH. The only way NH could happen now is if Sakura were to give Naruto a virtual kick in the groin and stab to the heart, and Naruto ended up with Hinata as a consolation. Not a hero's resolution, not going to happen.

+ The fact that Naruto hedged in his answer about the nature/status of his relationship with Sakura makes sense. After the crazy swirl of truth and wishes and misdirection that was Sakura's confession and Sai's subsequent explanation, Naruto couldn't possibly know for sure where they stand. And the real point is, Kishimoto is holding those final details in reserve.

This should be no surprise to anyone. Naruto hedging WAS NOT an indication that he was joking, that he didn't mean it, or whatever form the latest BS excuse for downplaying it might be. As I've said before, by stating her love for and commitment to Naruto in front of witnesses, Sakura set an expectation that was left up in the air. It's Schrodinger's Cat all over again: Sakura can be considered Naruto's girlfriend and not his girlfriend until the final truth is revealed.

+ Sakura's reaction to Sasuke is also encouraging. I'm confident we'll have more to endure regarding her remaining feelings for Sasuke, her growing feelings for Naruto, and the final resolution to all that, but in my opinion this chapter was a good start. Her response to Sasuke's appearance struck me as just right. The way her face is drawn suggested a lot of things -- surprise, hope, confusion, suspicion, anger -- but she never once looked lovestruck.

+ I love the stuff with Madara and Hashirama.

+ Did I read it right? That Kurama thought, "Minato... could this be... him..." with regard to Sasuke? If so, then I'm more inclined than ever to think we're not out of the woods with regard to Sasuke's potential to betray everyone, especially Naruto.

+ Curious that there's a close-up of Hinata reacting to Sasuke's arrival. Why use a panel for that, of all things?

+ Choji/Ino got another little plug.

+

As for Sasuke in general, I will quote Shakespeare and say, "I never can see him but I am heartburned an hour after."

Is he kidding with that "bygones be bygones" crap? His disinterest in the consequences of his actions, or in the thoughts and feelings of others, only serves to prove he hasn't changed at all. Ick. I so, so, SO want Naruto to put Sasuke in his place.

+ Sakura's strength and determination + the revelation of an impending power-up for her + Naruto's acknowledgement of her = by FAR the coolest moment in the chapter. It's the way the exchange between them is drawn. It's just so... *sigh*... perfect.

Great stuff.

Sorry, long post was long.

Edited by KnS, 22 May 2013 - 09:43 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Can I ask something and I really want an honest answer out of this one.

When can we really finally say "This is canon" and not be told to "Not think that way." I just want to draw the line here cause it seems like even if it is 100% confirmed we still shouldn't say "confirmed."

Nothing for Nothing, but what would be the moment that cements it without question?

Well, while you do need them to be together to be canon, BUT, to me, it's already obvious. Here:

I'll say what's on my mind right now:

It's no longer the road to if Narusaku will be canon anymore. It's Road to how NaruSaku becomes canon. No need to agree with me, but this is forever on my mind. I feel that Kishi purposely had Sasuke announced his plan to make Sakura choose who should she root for. It's like a indirect way of who she loves more. I don't want to go full detail because all I can think about is this battle.

It's funny, remember how long time ago we said that Sakura's developments begin when Sasuke shows up and it will be based on him. Well, if you ask me, it's a total opposite. I noticed how much interactions and care factors they have shown in this volume, more than I can say with other characters. That determined eyes she had convinced him that she will stand and fight, no matter what. Sasuke is all, "...eh" which is like back then. Honestly, this shows you that NS is much capable than SS. Great chemistry all around. I will discuss more later, but yes, nothing is changing my mind. And we still didn't get ObiRin/NaruSaku confirmed yet but at this point, it's overkill.

[James S Cassidy]

I'm not sure how to take this statement, really?

Let me give you and example: In Love Hina, we could see ever since volume 4-5 (even earlier) that Keitaro and Naru liked each other. Despite all the evidence, I couldn't say that KeiNaru was canon because of these two points that i presented to you. It wasn't until much later in the manga that these two points were shown and that I could safely say that KN was canon.

Yes, the author is showing us this amazing chapter, but there literally anything he can do with it. Heck, he could even troll us once more if he wants to. So in the end, what we have are theories. Strong theories? Yes! But they are still theories. They have to become "law" before admitting that something will occur 100%.

I think NS is 99% canon, but like NaruSaku4life3g said I believe we have crossed a point where it has to be canon now. Any other outcome would most definitely be a severe asspull and would go against everything that has been set up. I know I said this before, but this fact is even more important now.

So it is only a matter of time til it's canon. The "road to how NaruSaku became canon"

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think NS is 99% canon, but like NaruSaku4life3g said I believe we have crossed a point where it has to be canon now. Any other outcome would most definitely be a severe asspull and would go against everything that has been set up. I know I said this before, but this fact is even more important now.

So it is only a matter of time til it's canon. The "road to how NaruSaku became canon"

[Shadow Wolf]

Lets say it this way: Kishimoto made huge development with NS throughout the whole story, he showed kushinas last words to naruto to find a girl like her. Minato says that sakura is that girl. Now im asking myself, what was the reason of all that if hes not making it canon. Its true that he could do anything with it. He could just forget it and act like it never happend, but that makes out my next question: why should he do something like that or said differnetly how likely is it for him to riun his story? You can say NS is officially canon as soon as they are a couple in the manga, but i say its now canon because i see no chance or possible reason for kishi to forget the development he added in this story and complety damage it.

I could say the same thing about 615 in the fact that I don't think it was necessary for Kishi to make many characters act out of character just to give Hinata development. Yet that's what happened.

Yes I do agree in the fact that Kishi has done a lot of development (The build up thread made by Slextrem recapitulates this in an amazing way), but as long as there are questions left unanswered, you can't call something official. As of chapter 631, I can't say "NS is canon" because there are issues to be resolved. I have discussed with James the point of me believing that this is an outstanding setup for NS to become canon (like NS4L3g said: road to NS becoming canon) and like Sakura Blossoms said: "Our ship has begun to sail". We are traveling the road, but we haven't reached the destination yet.

Like James just told me: "It isn't 100% canon, but now...I can't see any other outcome."

These are my thoughts at the moment.

[narusakuno1]

OMG I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO SAY!!!!!!!!!!! MINATO DID SAY THAT SAKURA REMINDS HIM OF KUSHINA JUST LIKE WE PREDICTED!!!!!!!!! OMG NARUSAKU IS NOW COMFIRMED!!!!! BUT now it is up toq zKishi to end the manga with romance or just friendship... NARUSAKU IS CANON MAN!!!!!!

[Gravenimage]

I think NS is 99% canon, but like NaruSaku4life3g said I believe we have crossed a point where it has to be canon now. Any other outcome would most definitely be a severe asspull and would go against everything that has been set up. I know I said this before, but this fact is even more important now.

So it is only a matter of time til it's canon. The "road to how NaruSaku became canon"

Honestly to me NS was already canon since chapter 3 when Naruto (male protagonist) introduced Sakura (female protagonist tsundere) the girl he likes.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Honestly to me NS was already canon since chapter 3 when Naruto (male protagonist) introduced Sakura (female protagonist tsundere) the girl he likes.

I don't mind this thought as well. It's just I need a reminder if Kishi really staying to his story. But that's just me.

[Verilance]

Honestly to me NS was already canon since chapter 3 when Naruto (male protagonist) introduced Sakura (female protagonist tsundere) the girl he likes.

I would quibble and say it was introduced in chapter 3 but wasn't canon until chapter 13 when she starts falling in love with Naruto for himself but your point stands

Edited by Verilance, 22 May 2013 - 09:55 PM.

[Chatte]

I wonder tho'... all other fandoms are like this?

[TouKen4Life3g]

I wonder tho'... all other fandoms are like this?

Elaborate.

[Mistraal]

I have the answers you seek.

Is it canon? Not yet.

Will it be? Probably.

Will Kishi throw a troll at us? Hell yea.

Will we get a nice NaruxSaku make out session at the end of the manga? I sure hope so.

So let's all relax and bathe in the sweetness that is this chapter.

[Chatte]

Elaborate.

With this bluntly denial and calling the author names, the hero and the heroine as well.
People have gone so crazy that makes me wonder if they function properly? I mean it was THAT Obvious Kishi will go down this route...and now they're complaining like they never saw it coming?What the hell?

[PhenixElite]

I could say the same thing about 615 in the fact that I don't think it was necessary for Kishi to make many characters act out of character just to give Hinata development. Yet that's what happened.

Yes I do agree in the fact that Kishi has done a lot of development (The build up thread made by Slextrem recapitulates this in an amazing way), but as long as there are questions left unanswered, you can't call something official. As of chapter 631, I can't say "NS is canon" because there are issues to be resolved. I have discussed with James the point of me believing that this is an outstanding setup for NS to become canon (like NS4L3g said: road to NS becoming canon) and like Sakura Blossoms said: "Our ship has begun to sail". We are traveling the road, but we haven't reached the destination yet.

Like James just told me: "It isn't 100% canon, but now...I can't see any other outcome."

These are my thoughts at the moment.

So then you see it like me in some way. Its not officialy canon in the manga, but you cant see any other outcome.
No matter what happens, im 100% sure that NS will be the endgame and thats why i say its canon.

615 was indeed damaging, but it cant be compared to a damage that a dismissing of a parallel would cause. It would just go against anything stated and forshadowed in the manga and thats why i just dont see any reason for kishi to do that.

[Gravenimage]

With this bluntly denial and calling the author names, the hero and the heroine as well.
People have gone so crazy that makes me wonder if they function properly? I mean it was THAT Obvious Kishi will go down this route...and now they're complaining like they never saw it coming?What the hell?

I wonder that too. Too obvious Kishi was following the shounen archetype of hero/heroine all along. This goes to show you "not all" mangaka follow the fans wishes opposite fandoms highly believe Kishi was going to make their pairings canon because of their world wide popularity.

Edited by Gravenimage, 22 May 2013 - 10:06 PM.

[soraandven]

amazing this is the fastest growing thread ive seen since the 615 thread if only you could see what you did kishi

[Atheck]

With this bluntly denial and calling the author names, the hero and the heroine as well.
People have gone so crazy that makes me wonder if they function properly? I mean it was THAT Obvious Kishi will go down this route...and now they're complaining like they never saw it coming?What the hell?

They became so confident in the "inevitability" of their desires coming to fruition that to suggest even the slightest hint of a potential alternative conclusion to their wishes would be denounced as an impossibility. Sakura personifies everything that they appear to despise. For her to acquire the amount of focus that she currently has is nothing but an insult to them. It's this unacceptability of the situation and the repudiation of their hopes for Hinata that is driving them to this extremity.