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[AHK]

I understand people not liking Sakura if she goes to Sasuke. I don't mind her being in love with him as long as she doesn't act like Naruto or Karin, happily taking all the kitten from him.

What I don't understand is you are saying as if Sakura wants to hurt Naruto by being with Sasuke. She's not obliged to return Naruto's feelings. Just like how Sasuke isn't obliged to return Sakura's feelings, and Naruto isn't obliged to return Hinata's feelings. Sakura shouldn't be Naruto's trophy. Just because Naruto works hard for it, it doesn't mean that the feelings of others should be discarded. Sakura shouldn't be with Sasuke, but that has NOTHING to do with what Naruto feels for her.

 

That's not what I meant, nor did I mean to imply that she is obligated to return his feelings. What I meant to say is that, in my eyes, Naruto's feelings have been portrayed by Kishi as easy to disregard and walk over. I posted these in the debate thread:

 

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I think Naruto's feelings get the worst of the treatment because he has to sit there and watch all of this happen. He has to sit there and watch the girl he loves get heartbroken over another guy, when he's literally thrown his happiness out of the window so that she might be happy. I feel like Naruto's feelings for Sakura get treated like a joke, and that she really hasn't given his feelings the proper attention. Imagine how Naruto felt standing there listening to that. And in the end, he's still going to get up and fight for her, as he told Kakashi.

I mentioned earlier in another thread how if SS were to happen, (which I don't think it will by the way, I still think NS is endgame) she would have literally used Naruto and played his feelings for her own gain. I would lose a lot of respect for her character. She still hasn't even said she was sorry to the guy for the whole debacle in the land of iron. I'm finding it harder and harder to believe that she honestly cares about his feelings in the slightest. I know that's not true, but it's hard not to feel that way a little bit.

Idk, the way Naruto's feelings are portrayed to me seems like it's ok for him to get yanked around and played with, and as unfair as Sakura's feelings are getting portrayed, I feel like Naruto is getting the worst of it.

 

 

 

Her continual denial of Sasuke being nothing more than an image is what irks me the most though. Naruto literally worships the ground she walks on, yet the only time she's directly interacted with his feelings (thats not to say that she doesn't or hasn't consider/ed his feelings) is when she tried to use them against him in the land of iron. 

 

Naruto deserves so much better than that. He deserves so much better than to have to sit back and watch while the girl he is in love with hangs on to a false image that never existed, created by a bunch if fangirls that knew nothing about the person they gave it to. When has Sakura ever thought of how much Naruto means to her? When has she ever thought of what her life would be like without him? I just want Sakura to finally stand up and think about those things, for once. I'm tired of seeing her get hurt, but I'm also tired of Kishi writing Naruto's feelings like a doormat that can just be walked over. 

 

I really hope that this genjutsu finally does it, because I'm sick of seeing Sakura being hurt, and then hurting Naruto (be it unintentionally or not).

 

 

Naruto deserves to actually have his feelings recognized (not the same as returned) instead of always watching from a distance and getting hurt by what's taken place. After everything he's done, Sakura owes him that much, which is, in my eyes, bound to happen regardless, especially since I still believe NS to be the final pairing.

[ramenanmitsu]

That's not what I meant, nor did I mean to imply that she is obligated to return his feelings. What I meant to say is that, in my eyes, Naruto's feelings have been portrayed by Kishi as easy to disregard and walk over. I posted these in the debate thread:
 

spoiler

 

 
Naruto deserves to actually have his feelings recognized (not the same as returned) instead of always watching from a distance and getting hurt by what's taken place. After everything he's done, Sakura owes him that much, which is, in my eyes, bound to happen regardless, especially since I still believe NS to be the final pairing.

 You want Sakura to recognize Naruto's feelings right? She did. She knows he loves him and she's grateful for him being by her side. And regards to the land of iron, she tried to protect Naruto. That does not constitute as "stepping on his feelings like a doormat." The way she did things was wrong, but to say that she was inconsiderate of his feelings, when Kakashi has outright stated that she did this NOT to hurt his feelings, is not accurate.

If Naruto really wanted to have his feelings being talked about then HE should be the one to confess to her and talk to her about it. If he's avoiding the topic, then no, he doesn't deserve to have his feelings recognized. He's the one who chose to be a doormat. It's HIS decision.
 

[Gojira]

Sorry to tell but ...this forum is pissing me off than Any friggin NH worshipping forum !!!!

I didn't expect this from u guys!!

than obviously you must be new here.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

than obviously you must be new here.

 

Please don't turn this into a fight, if you want to bring it to the PM's. This is an appreciation thread for Sakura and should only be that.

[Gojira]

No fight going on here, just adding on to the fact that this fanbase is incredibly emotional. 

[AHK]

 You want Sakura to recognize Naruto's feelings right? She did. She knows he loves him and she's grateful for him being by her side. And regards to the land of iron, she tried to protect Naruto. That does not constitute as "stepping on his feelings like a doormat." The way she did things was wrong, but to say that she was inconsiderate of his feelings, when Kakashi has outright stated that she did this NOT to hurt his feelings, is not accurate.

If Naruto really wanted to have his feelings being talked about then HE should be the one to confess to her and talk to her about it. If he's avoiding the topic, then no, he doesn't deserve to have his feelings recognized. He's the one who chose to be a doormat. It's HIS decision.
 

I want Sakura to treat Naruto like he has feelings. I know that she tried to protect him in the land of the Iron, hell I'm one of the guys that defends her the most during that scene.

 

As for the "stepping on his feelings like a doormat", I was more referring to moving forward. For instance, if SS were to happen, which I don't believe it will, Sakura will have used Naruto. Sakura, as we know, and by her own admission, could not and was never able to have any affect on Sasuke coming back. Thus Naruto. Naruto loves Sakura and always put her happiness before his own. And then the was the LOI and what not. Even after she said that the promise didn't matter, she went right back to relying on Naruto after the bridge scene was over. He still has high regard for that promise, and the fact that he mentions it again brings relevance to his discussion with Sai again. Now, Sakura knows how he feels, and if he brings Sasuke back, only to rush over to Sasuke, she will have completely brushed off Naruto like he was nothing. 

 

Believe me, I want Naruto to talk to her, which I think he will after mentioning the POAL again, but is it really difficult to see why he doesn't? Especially after this chapter, when he's literally standing not 3 feet away watching Sakura go through this spiel again? Part of the reason I think Sakura owes it to him to initiate anything moving forward is because of what he's been put through by the whole situation. I mean, come on, I love Sakura, but she hasn't even apologized to the guy for the land of Iron thing yet. He definitely deserves that, as well as her clearing the air. He may have chosen to go through with this, but she chose to watch him do it. Even though she tried to pt a stop to it, she went right back to relying on him again. He deserves to for Sakura to recognize his feelings, and she definitely owes it to him.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

Well, I still love ya, Sakura.

 

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[ramenanmitsu]

I want Sakura to treat Naruto like he has feelings. I know that she tried to protect him in the land of the Iron, hell I'm one of the guys that defends her the most during that scene.

Sakura constantly worried about Naruto's well being, trying to cheer him up when he's down, and trying to protect him constitutes as not "treating him like he has feelings"?
 

As for the "stepping on his feelings like a doormat", I was more referring to moving forward. For instance, if SS were to happen, which I don't believe it will, Sakura will have used Naruto. Sakura, as we know, and by her own admission, could not and was never able to have any affect on Sasuke coming back. Thus Naruto. Naruto loves Sakura and always put her happiness before his own. And then the was the LOI and what not. Even after she said that the promise didn't matter, she went right back to relying on Naruto after the bridge scene was over. He still has high regard for that promise, and the fact that he mentions it again brings relevance to his discussion with Sai again. Now, Sakura knows how he feels, and if he brings Sasuke back, only to rush over to Sasuke, she will have completely brushed off Naruto like he was nothing. 

Naruto is the one who doesn't want Sakura to get involved. He is the one who wants to fight Sasuke alone. He is the one who wants to bring Sasuke back because of his own feelings towards Sasuke. Naruto holds Sakura and his promise with her in high regards, but it's nowhere near close to how Naruto holds Sasuke in his heart. You're just putting blame and demonizing Sakura for what Naruto wants to do himself. Sakura is not to be blamed for actions that Naruto takes by himself.
 

Believe me, I want Naruto to talk to her, which I think he will after mentioning the POAL again, but is it really difficult to see why he doesn't? Especially after this chapter, when he's literally standing not 3 feet away watching Sakura go through this spiel again? Part of the reason I think Sakura owes it to him to initiate anything moving forward is because of what he's been put through by the whole situation. I mean, come on, I love Sakura, but she hasn't even apologized to the guy for the land of Iron thing yet. He definitely deserves that, as well as her clearing the air. He may have chosen to go through with this, but she chose to watch him do it. Even though she tried to pt a stop to it, she went right back to relying on him again. He deserves to for Sakura to recognize his feelings, and she definitely owes it to him.

Again you're putting all the fault at Sakura. Sakura has to apologize about the land of iron. But at the same time, Naruto also should apologize to her for keeping the Uchiha Massacre a secret from her. She's a member of team seven and she deserved to know. Yet she's the only one kept in the dark. He hid the truth from her because "Kakashi said so". That's more inconsiderate behavior than lying to protect the other's feelings.

So as I explained in the above, there's nothing Sakura has to owe to Naruto.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 26 September 2014 - 05:56 PM.

[Kakashi-Sensei]

I liked Sakura before but with this week chapter... I would not say I hate or dislike her but she is not in my favorites for sure... At this point I don't care much about Sakura, just want Naruto to be happy with whoever he end up with !

[ramenanmitsu]

^
Then can you post that at somewhere that's not an appreciation thread?

[Kakashi-Sensei]

LOL sure whatever

[Shadow1275]

I'm not disappointed with Sakura, I just hate Kishi. He's the real reason that she gets the hate in the fandom.

[AHK]

@ramenanmitsu

  

 

Sakura constantly worried about Naruto's well being, trying to cheer him up when he's down, and trying to protect him constitutes as not "treating him like he has feelings"?

His well being and safety doesn't fall under his feelings. What I mean is that the only time his feelings have been bought into play was during the LOI, when she tried to use them against him. Good intentions or no, that is incredibly unfair to him.

 

 

Naruto is the one who doesn't want Sakura to get involved. He is the one who wants to fight Sasuke alone. He is the one who wants to bring Sasuke back because of his own feelings towards Sasuke. Naruto holds Sakura and his promise with her in high regards, but it's nowhere near close to how Naruto holds Sasuke in his heart. You're just putting blame and demonizing Sakura for what Naruto wants to do himself. Sakura is not to be blamed for actions that Naruto takes by himself.

I have not and never will demonize Sakura for what's happening. Naruto may want to fight Sasuke alone (which she has admitted as being the only option), but that doesn't mean that he want's to see Sakura run off to Sasuke right after he fulfills the promise. Should that happen, then Sakura is to blame for just brushing Naruto's feelings to the side after everything he's been through for her.

 

Again you're putting all the fault at Sakura. Sakura has to apologize about the land of iron. But at the same time, Naruto also should apologize to her for keeping the Uchiha Massacre a secret from her. She's a member of team seven and she deserved to know. Yet she's the only one kept in the dark. He hid the truth from her because "Kakashi said so". That's more inconsiderate behavior than lying to protect the other's feelings.

So as I explained in the above, there's nothing Sakura has to owe to Naruto.

 

I'm not putting all the blame on Sakura. 

 

Naruto had no authority or obligation to tell Sakura anything about the Uchiha massacre, partially because they didn't know that what Obito told Sauke is the truth. And that's logical, considering that Obito's recounting of the incident to Sasuke was flawed, and geared to make Sasuke sink lower. Also, it was Itachi's wish that no one learn of Itachi's truth. That isn't inconsiderate at all to Sakura.

 

Again, I'm not demonizing her, nor am I blaming her, I'm just saying that the situation is incredibly unfair to Naruto.

Edited by AHK, 26 September 2014 - 06:50 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

@ramenanmitsu
 
I have not and never will demonize Sakura for what's happening. Naruto may want to fight Sasuke alone (which she has admitted as being the only option), but that doesn't mean that he want's to see Sakura run off to Sasuke right after he fulfills the promise. Should that happen, then Sakura is to blame for just brushing Naruto's feelings to the side after everything he's been through for her. 

 
I'm not putting all the blame on Sakura. 
 
Naruto had no authority or obligation to tell Sakura anything about the Uchiha massacre, partially because they didn't know that what Obito told Sauke is the truth. And that's logical, considering that Obito's recounting of the incident to Sasuke was flawed, and geared to make Sasuke sink lower. Also, it was Itachi's wish that no one learn of Itachi's truth. That isn't inconsiderate at all to Sakura.
 
Again, I'm not demonizing her, nor am I blaming her, I'm just saying that the situation is incredibly unfair to Naruto.

I think I like you. Not in THAT way of course. You seem to be a calm and cool-headed person. I like that.

Everything Naruto has been through for her is what he chose. Are you going to blame Naruto for ignoring Hinata after everything she's been through for him. No right? It was her choice. Likewise with Sakura.

I apologize for that statement of saying you were demonizing her. What you're saying is unfair to Sakura. Naruto is the one who said that the promise isn't what's motivating him to bring back Sasuke anymore. From that point on, Sakura has nothing on Naruto anymore. She isn't using him when she has downright told him that the promise doesn't matter anymore. He is the one who isn't listening, because he is the one who wants to bring back Sasuke more than anybody. She is not obliged to stay single forever just because Naruto will get hurt by it. With that logic, Naruto should never go out with Sakura because Hinata will get hurt.

Naruto surely didn't care about authorities when he decided to join the battlefield in the war arc. Naruto surely didn't care about authorities when he secretly left the village to meet the Raikage. That's not really an excuse when Naruto has time and again proved to ignore authority stuff whenever he wants. If Naruto isn't obliged to relay information and is allowed to hide about the truth, then so is Sakura. They were both being untruthful to each other in the LOI. You can't excuse one while blaming the other. Also Itachi's wish had played no part in whether Naruto should relay the information or not. He didn't think of Itachi when he first considered telling her.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 26 September 2014 - 07:07 PM.

[Khaleesi]

I think I like you. Not in THAT way of course. You seem to be a calm and cool-headed person. I like that.

I SHIPT IT!

Poor Naruko.

[Naruko]

I think I like you. Not in THAT way of course. You seem to be a calm and cool-headed person. I like that.

 

It's unavoidable. 

 

I SHIPT IT!

Poor Naruko.

 

 Shut up  

 

Naruto surely didn't care about authorities when he decided to join the battlefield in the war arc. Naruto surely didn't care about authorities when he secretly left the village to meet the Raikage. That's not really an excuse when Naruto has time and again proved to ignore authority stuff whenever he wants. If Naruto isn't obliged to relay information and is allowed to hide about the truth, then so is Sakura. They were both being untruthful to each other in the LOI. You can't excuse one while blaming the other. Also Itachi's wish had played no part in whether Naruto should relay the information or not. He didn't think of Itachi when he first considered telling her.

 

I don't think not telling Sakura about that was disrespectful to her in any way. That would only make her more worried and they didn't even know if the information was reliable. Naruto might not care about authorities, but that doesn't mean he would be telling people's secrets, he's actually the kind of person you can trust a secret and he wouldn't tell it, even if it's Sakura asking him to. 

Edited by Naruko, 26 September 2014 - 07:24 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

It seems like AHK ran away after I said I liked him. Pity. I don't swing that way but maybe he misunderstood.

I don't plan to be Naruko's competition!

I don't think not telling Sakura about that was disrespectful to her in any way. That would only make her more worried and they didn't even know if the information was reliable. Naruto might not care about authorities, but that doesn't mean he would be telling people's secrets, he's actually the kind of person you can trust a secret and he wouldn't tell it, even if it's Sakura asking him to.

I don't say that he was being disrespectful. I'm saying that he was being untruthful. If Naruto was being untruthful for his own righteous reasons, Sakura was also being untruthful for her own reasons.

[Naruko]

It seems like AHK ran away after I said I liked him. Pity. I don't swing that way but maybe he misunderstood.

I don't plan to be Naruko's competition!
I don't say that he was being disrespectful. I'm saying that he was being untruthful. If Naruto was being untruthful for his own righteous reasons, Sakura was also being untruthful for her own reasons.

 

Naah, he's just not online, he is very busy too. 

 

Ah, thank you!!! 

 

I agree with you that, Sakura had her own reasons to be untruthful, so did Naruto. Though Naruto was hiding a secret and Sakura brought the confession herself. 

[AHK]

I think I like you. Not in THAT way of course. You seem to be a calm and cool-headed person. I like that.

Everything Naruto has been through for her is what he chose. Are you going to blame Naruto for ignoring Hinata after everything she's been through for him. No right? It was her choice. Likewise with Sakura.

I apologize for that statement of saying you were demonizing her. What you're saying is unfair to Sakura. Naruto is the one who said that the promise isn't what's motivating him to bring back Sasuke anymore. From that point on, Sakura has nothing on Naruto anymore. She isn't using him when she has downright told him that the promise doesn't matter anymore. He is the one who isn't listening, because he is the one who wants to bring back Sasuke more than anybody. She is not obliged to stay single forever just because Naruto will get hurt by it. With that logic, Naruto should never go out with Sakura because Hinata will get hurt.

Naruto surely didn't care about authorities when he decided to join the battlefield in the war arc. Naruto surely didn't care about authorities when he secretly left the village to meet the Raikage. That's not really an excuse when Naruto has time and again proved to ignore authority stuff whenever he wants. If Naruto isn't obliged to relay information and is allowed to hide about the truth, then so is Sakura. They were both being untruthful to each other in the LOI. You can't excuse one while blaming the other. Also Itachi's wish had played no part in whether Naruto should relay the information or not. He didn't think of Itachi when he first considered telling her.

Lol thanks. I don't have the time or patience to get involved in those insult-fests that people like to throw when someone  disagrees with them. I like you too, like how you don't beat around the bush. 

 

The difference between Naruto and Hinata though is that Hinata did it without him asking. Naruto kinda got put on the spot with the POAL. Yeah, he chose to go through with it, but at the same time he really couldn't have said no, especially not to her. So in terms of the POAL, she does have some fault, although, for the most part, it was addressed. 

 

Naruto didn't say that the promise wasn't a factor, he said that it wasn't the only factor anymore. If she just runs of with Sasuke after Naruto takes him back, she still would have used Naruto in a way since she still ended up relying on him to fulfill her wish, which she has admitted she would have to. Also, I'm not saying that she should stay single, I'm saying that she owes it to him to address it to his face, as Naruto does Hinata. 

 

It's not really about authority as much as it is that neither him, Kakashi, or Yamato know what the truth is, so they can't go saying something that might not be true. Itachi's wish only holds for after he talked to Itachi. So if he doesn't tell her in the future, that's why.

 

 

It seems like AHK ran away after I said I liked him. Pity. I don't swing that way but maybe he misunderstood.

I don't plan to be Naruko's competition!
I don't say that he was being disrespectful. I'm saying that he was being untruthful. If Naruto was being untruthful for his own righteous reasons, Sakura was also being untruthful for her own reasons.

Lmfao, nah I was just heading to class. I don't swing that way either, I'm with Naruko ;)

Edited by AHK, 26 September 2014 - 08:56 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

sadly NS fandom is really a fandom that lets itself get carried away. A very and normal human behavior, even though too.

Yeah I mean we were all told after all that NS won't happen may this be a lesson for all of us it was a stab by Kishi but he killed the two pairings at once.