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[T XD]

Hmm..yeah, but I think it would be a natural follow-up considering team Gai's reaction in 616.
I dunno, it would be weird for Kiba and Shino to just pop up on wednesday.

We'll see what will happen and , actually, I would like from Kiba and Shino to pop up XD. It's been a looooooong time since we have seen something from them.

Edited by T XD, 21 January 2013 - 11:29 PM.

[StriderC]

As long as he ends it with Sakura, I'll be OK with it.
It doesn't need to be that chronological, I just had a prediction that this is how it would go.

And exactly how do you think he'll end it with Sakura given what she's said?

[sushi.]

We'll see what will happen and , actually, I would like from Kiba and Shino to pop up XD. It's been a looooooong time since we have seen something from them.

Oh, I see what you mean. I miss them too, especially Shino. It's just that I don't want Kishi to drop Lee now that he's all depressed. It should follow up with some "I won't let my rival's sacrifice go in vain". At least someone must make Neji's death honourable, it should be Lee. ^^ He can't swith over to another team, he's not done with Lee yet.

Edited by sushi., 21 January 2013 - 11:35 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

@James - You hit the nail on the head. Regardless of whether Kishi decides to aim for, what would be in his mind, a satisfactory resolution, or how much time he gives it, you're always gonna get a mixed reaction; Some would think it's a perfect conclusion, others would think it's a cheap cop-out. It's as you said though, for there to be a winner, someone has to lose.

I don't really know what I want from this. I don't know if I want a resolution at all because I felt there was already one given.

I rather treat this like a band-aid. Quick with as little pain as possible. If you spend too much time on it, you end up making it such a big deal out of something that should be so simple and really I don't want to spend a whole chapter focusing on this when there is so much more important topics to focus on that require even more attention. Let's be frank, there is a lot more important things to show than Hinata getting a love resolution.

My bias doesn't want it at all. My bias thinks "Why should we even bother at all?" My non-bias says "If you have to do it, don't over do it and waste time doing it. Quick, easy, done."

Perhaps, as you stated, the rose tinted glasses that all fandoms have is going to lead to a huge blow for the fandom that draws the short string. But is it the fandoms themselves who are to blame for setting their own bar too high, or has it been misinterpretation to scenes where Kishi should've been more straightforward in the message(s) he tries to convey in said scenes?

I think there needs to be a balance. Unless Kishi really screws up the writing to the point of being absurd, fans should accept whatever outcome he chooses. There are limits though. In a writing practice, while rules can be broken, there is such a thing as acceptable suspension of belief and unacceptable suspension of belief. As long as it is acceptable, it won't be considered bad writing as a cause for hatred and blame. Rather just people pissed their shipping didn't happen.

I think that is Kishi's best option at this point. You can't please everyone, but at least make it so it is their problem, not his.

Bolded: It's a good question, but where is the line and what scenes are fans getting too jumpy about and what scenes are due to bad writing ethics? That's a real good question to wonder and at best we can only speculate and give view points based on our interpretations.

Fact of the matter here is, no matter what Kishi decides to do, he can't please everyone.

Yeah and if he is smart, he won't try to. He will just try to give the best story he can.

It's been like that since Part 1 Prelims, man.

Which is why I find it weird people expect more importance from Hinata and why she should get this "attention"

Edited by James S Cassidy, 21 January 2013 - 11:41 PM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Hinata definitely needs a resolution. At one point, when her panel time was rare and less impactful, I'd probably be saying the opposite. Hinata's smile during the NS hug seemed like a conclusion for her. Then 573/615 happens. Kishimoto has made her more important, to the point that she now needs a resolution. The fandom expects it.

I truly doubt Naruto rejected her already off-panel. Might be wrong, but IMO that's not the Naruto I know. I always assumed that Naruto purposely avoided responding, but not because he wasn't sure of how he feels. When Sakura confessed to him, it was very clear he knew he loved Sakura. That's why he got angry and harsh in it (I wrote a whole post about the confession somehere in the debate thread. ). Naruto is a naturally nice guy and while he can be blunt, Hinata's like fragile glass. He has no idea how hurt she'd be if he just flat-out rejected her. This might seem like a kitten move of Naruto, but if I turn out to be right, I totally see this as in character and understandable. I honestly think the closest Naruto leaned toward a rejection was when he saved Hinata from Zetsu, thanking her for saving him and that she was strong. The NH fans think differently, but I've always interpreted that as Naruto subtly hinting he doesn't return her feelings without actually coming out with it.

Unfortunately, Hinata didn't see it like that. 573 showed a burst in confidence, but not directed at the right source. She's now even more sure of her feelings and wants to express it to Naruto. In a way, she's stepping up. Look at how she violated Naruto's personal space by caressing his check during her whole damn speech (Loved the way I typed that lol). No doubt, Hinata's getting more determined and confident in her affections. She's oblivious of Naruto's unreciporcated feelings, much like her fanbase is. They really are an echo of each other, aren't they?

I think the best course of action right now is not for Hinata to get outright rejected by Naruto verbally (Gawd, those NaruHina fans will hate him forever. *shudder*). It's better for her to realize it herself that Naruto's in love with Sakura and will always love her. She can go up to him and smile genuinely, saying "Naruto-kun, I understand. I'll always be grateful for how you changed me, but I know I should live for myself now." Hinata can direct her full attention to the heiress role. That is the perfect resolution to her character. And honestly, I'd prefer it if she gets no new love interest. I mean, the girl's entire character revolves so completely around love for so long, it'd be a major hallmark for her to actually not need it anymore.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 21 January 2013 - 11:51 PM.

[Chatte]

As long as he ends it with Sakura, I'll be OK with it.
It doesn't need to be that chronological, I just had a prediction that this is how it would go.

Exactly. If something, I'm sure it will be over with her. Hinata was first in the panel with Neji and then, when the monologue, alone, however, Sakura was alone in both.
Judging from the last chapter, I see some big action for Sakura, to be honest. Maybe something alone at least, 2 chapters.

[六道仙人]

I read somewhere that someone said that Sakura could have the same fate as that's Neji since Kishi is ignoring her in this battle for now, just as he did to Neji in the infamous chapter 573, where ever rookie get their personal though about Naruto.

Do you have these kinda feelings?

[sushi.]

I read somewhere that someone said that Sakura could have the same fate as that's Neji since Kishi is ignoring her in this battle for now, just as he did to Neji in the infamous chapter 573, where ever rookie get their personal though about Naruto.

Do you have these kinda feelings?

Naruto just lost Neji, look at his reaction. I personally think Kishi should've waited for this to Sasuke's death..oh well.
If he is like this when Neji dies, I can't imagine what'll happen if something happens to Sakura. Honestly, it's too early on. But I hope something will happen to her in the future, as long as we don't see the same reaction..again.

[FoolishYoungling]

I read somewhere that someone said that Sakura could have the same fate as that's Neji since Kishi is ignoring her in this battle for now, just as he did to Neji in the infamous chapter 573, where ever rookie get their personal though about Naruto.

Do you have these kinda feelings?

I feel a Sakura spotlight coming from the death of Tsunade. I'm sure the slug will go Sakura, and hopefully Sakura will gain some sort of regenerating power like Tsunade had.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I read somewhere that someone said that Sakura could have the same fate as that's Neji since Kishi is ignoring her in this battle for now, just as he did to Neji in the infamous chapter 573, where ever rookie get their personal though about Naruto.

Do you have these kinda feelings?

Some has suggested that she will be in near death or plain death in the battle. Then, activate Obito's revival jutsu. That's what some has said. I expect her to go fight and then she gets heavily damaged by either blocking or caught off-guarded.

[Zatheko]

I read somewhere that someone said that Sakura could have the same fate as that's Neji since Kishi is ignoring her in this battle for now, just as he did to Neji in the infamous chapter 573, where ever rookie get their personal though about Naruto.

Do you have these kinda feelings?

I don't see Sakura dieing here, especially not since they haven't even resolved the team 7 dilemma yet, if they were to kill her off, I see her getting revived.

To have her die before the Naruto and Sasuke face off is pretty random and dumb IMO.

[TouKen4Life3g]

For those who still has that idea of parallel being demonstrated (ObiRIn/NaruSaku), how would you think it would happen? I always picture it happening at the end of the battle where Kakashi talks to Obito as he's slowly dying. Obito takes a look at Naruto who is being healed by Sakura after long exhausting battle, and Obito will image them as himself with Rin. He will have a happy ending to himself, then die. Seems like a great closure.

[Chatte]

I feel a Sakura spotlight coming from the death of Tsunade. I'm sure the slug will go Sakura, and hopefully Sakura will gain some sort of regenerating power like Tsunade had.

I hope that happens.

However, regarding ObiRin/NaruSaku parallel... You guys ever wondered how Naruto's darkness or however you want to call it, was never put to challenge? He always put to challenge via his friends death or, highly injured, his masters, however, never his loved one.
How do you think Naruto would react if something like this has happened to Sakura? We saw he went Kyuubi mode on several occasions, was about to give in, etc, just because of friends. But what about the loved one? I think this would be the biggest challenge to his darkness/maturity, etc.

[六道仙人]

For those who still has that idea of parallel being demonstrated (ObiRIn/NaruSaku), how would you think it would happen? I always picture it happening at the end of the battle where Kakashi talks to Obito as he's slowly dying. Obito takes a look at Naruto who is being healed by Sakura after long exhausting battle, and Obito will image them as himself with Rin. He will have a happy ending to himself, then die. Seems like a great closure.

One thing is sure: Kakashi will say the story from his perspective since even Naruto told him that he will tell his story after (the battle?)

Anyway your prediction is nice and I very hope Kishi will do something like that... Because honestly NH isn't absolutely similar to ObitoRin

[tricksie]

Hinata definitely needs a resolution. At one point, when her panel time was rare and less impactful, I'd probably be saying the opposite. Hinata's smile during the NS hug seemed like a conclusion for her. Then 573/615 happens. Kishimoto has made her more important, to the point that she now needs a resolution. The fandom expects it.

I truly doubt Naruto rejected her already off-panel. Might be wrong, but IMO that's not the Naruto I know. I always assumed that Naruto purposely avoided responding, but not because he wasn't sure of how he feels. When Sakura confessed to him, it was very clear he knew he loved Sakura. That's why he got angry and harsh in it (I wrote a whole post about the confession somehere in the debate thread. ). Naruto is a naturally nice guy and while he can be blunt, Hinata's like fragile glass. He has no idea how hurt she'd be if he just flat-out rejected her. This might seem like a d*ck move of Naruto, but if I turn out to be right, I totally see this as in character and understandable. I honestly think the closest Naruto leaned toward a rejection was when he saved Hinata from Zetsu, thanking her for saving him and that she was strong. The NH fans think differently, but I've always interpreted that as Naruto subtly hinting he doesn't return her feelings without actually coming out with it.

Unfortunately, Hinata didn't see it like that. 573 showed a burst in confidence, but not directed at the right source. She's now even more sure of her feelings and wants to express it to Naruto. In a way, she's stepping up. Look at how she violated Naruto's personal space by caressing his check during her whole damn speech (Loved the way I typed that lol). No doubt, Hinata's getting more determined and confident in her affections. She's oblivious of Naruto's unreciporcated feelings, much like her fanbase is. They really are an echo of each other, aren't they?

I think the best course of action right now is not for Hinata to get outright rejected by Naruto verbally (Gawd, those NaruHina fans will hate him forever. *shudder*). It's better for her to realize it herself that Naruto's in love with Sakura and will always love her. She can go up to him and smile genuinely, saying "Naruto-kun, I understand. I'll always be grateful for how you changed me, but I know I should live for myself now." Hinata can direct her full attention to the heiress role. That is the perfect resolution to her character. And honestly, I'd prefer it if she gets no new love interest. I mean, the girl's entire character revolves so completely around love for so long, it'd be a major hallmark for her to actually not need it anymore.

Completely agree...almost!

Yes there has to be a specific, unequivocal resolution. Kishimoto has now invested a lot more into her character. There has to be a collateral resolving of her storyline. Not as big as S/S/N but not as small as say Kiba or Shino.

But I just don't think Kishimoto is going to make Naruto verbally let her down, simply because Kishimoto shies away from making Naruto do those bad things. If Naruto were to do that — personally, verbally reject her — then a good chunk of the fans would not like him.

Kishimoto has let Naruto sidestep some very prickly situations before (questioning Itachi comes to mind), so I just have a sneaking suspicion he will do it again here.

I don't really know what I want from this. I don't know if I want a resolution at all because I felt there was already one given.

I rather treat this like a band-aid. Quick with as little pain as possible. If you spend too much time on it, you end up making it such a big deal out of something that should be so simple and really I don't want to spend a whole chapter focusing on this when there is so much more important topics to focus on that require even more attention. Let's be frank, there is a lot more important things to show than Hinata getting a love resolution.

Which is why I find it weird people expect more importance from Hinata and why she should get this "attention"

We just spent a chapter focusing on Hinata's love. Out of nowhere. In the middle of a war. At this point, I wouldn't mind a chapter clearing it up, unequivocally. So because there was a 615, I think there needs to be some equally weighted resolution on the back end. Not because I want it. But because Kishimoto wrote it that way.

And, eh, I'm not really worried about one fandom losing out to another. That were will be disappointment goes without saying. But if Kishimoto builds up the NH fandom only for tension, then drops them without a satifactory resolution of Hinata's character, everybody would be unhappy — NH and NS alike.

And we'll have to disagree on Hinata's resolution — I never felt there was one. Ever. Kishimoto clearly has a plan for her within the manga, and I don't think that plan is finished yet.

[James S Cassidy]

Hinata definitely needs a resolution. At one point, when her panel time was rare and less impactful, I'd probably be saying the opposite. Hinata's smile during the NS hug seemed like a conclusion for her. Then 573/615 happens. Kishimoto has made her more important, to the point that she now needs a resolution. The fandom expects it.

I truly doubt Naruto rejected her already off-panel. Might be wrong, but IMO that's not the Naruto I know. I always assumed that Naruto purposely avoided responding, but not because he wasn't sure of how he feels. When Sakura confessed to him, it was very clear he knew he loved Sakura. That's why he got angry and harsh in it (I wrote a whole post about the confession somehere in the debate thread. ). Naruto is a naturally nice guy and while he can be blunt, Hinata's like fragile glass. He has no idea how hurt she'd be if he just flat-out rejected her. This might seem like a kitten move of Naruto, but if I turn out to be right, I totally see this as in character and understandable. I honestly think the closest Naruto leaned toward a rejection was when he saved Hinata from Zetsu, thanking her for saving him and that she was strong. The NH fans think differently, but I've always interpreted that as Naruto subtly hinting he doesn't return her feelings without actually coming out with it.

Unfortunately, Hinata didn't see it like that. 573 showed a burst in confidence, but not directed at the right source. She's now even more sure of her feelings and wants to express it to Naruto. In a way, she's stepping up. Look at how she violated Naruto's personal space by caressing his check during her whole damn speech (Loved the way I typed that lol). No doubt, Hinata's getting more determined and confident in her affections. She's oblivious of Naruto's unreciporcated feelings, much like her fanbase is. They really are an echo of each other, aren't they?

I think the best course of action right now is not for Hinata to get outright rejected by Naruto verbally (Gawd, those NaruHina fans will hate him forever. *shudder*). It's better for her to realize it herself that Naruto's in love with Sakura and will always love her. She can go up to him and smile genuinely, saying "Naruto-kun, I understand. I'll always be grateful for how you changed me, but I know I should live for myself now." Hinata can direct her full attention to the heiress role. That is the perfect resolution to her character. And honestly, I'd prefer it if she gets no new love interest. I mean, the girl's entire character revolves so completely around love for so long, it'd be a major hallmark for her to actually not need it anymore.

Is this really how Hinata is? A fragile flower that you can't say "No" to otherwise she will break? That is a horrible horrible character if this is how the entire fanbase sees her. If that is true, I hate her even more now.

The bolded you mentioned here is so....ugh. I mean if that is true, if she is THAT fragile, then NH HAS to become canon simply because people pity her and she can't live without Naruto. She is not strong enough or confident enough to figure things out for herself; She is too dumb to know when she isn't needed or wanted and She is too blind to know that she might be a hindrance rather than an asset. She has to be lead through life by the hand just to have purpose.

That gives even less reason for NH to be canon simply because Hinata would be a bigger burden on Naruto. Girls who cannot be self-reliant are the biggest pains in the world. No offense to the females of the group, but I am sure even you know how pathetic it is.

"Naruto can't say "no" to Hinata because it might break her." Is what it seems like.

Not saying you are wrong RomanG, but merely saying that if anything you said here is true, then Hinata is by far the weakest character in the whole series who can't even stand on her own two feet. She can't be that pathetic, can she? Really? Wow, I really do hate her more now. I hate to talk bad about a character, but Hinata is....just so bad. She is even giving Shy-girls a bad name. I can't even describe. I really hope you're wrong about this one, RomanG.

I wonder if this is not really what she is, but what her fanbase make her out to be. Her fanbase just makes her look so bad, it hurts.

*sighs* I don't know anymore. I just want NS to be canon and for Hinata to be out of the picture now. Hinata seems to be causing more problems than solving them.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 22 January 2013 - 12:35 AM.

[六道仙人]

Kishimoto clearly has a plan for her within the manga, and I don't think that plan is finished yet.

Oh God, what also have with her? Maybe does she have some intention to unclothe Naruto in the midst of the battle?

just jokes anyway... I fear a little about the fact that probably the plan regarding her is still unfinished...

[TouKen4Life3g]

I hope that happens.

However, regarding ObiRin/NaruSaku parallel... You guys ever wondered how Naruto's darkness or however you want to call it, was never put to challenge? He always put to challenge via his friends death or, highly injured, his masters, however, never his loved one.
How do you think Naruto would react if something like this has happened to Sakura? We saw he went Kyuubi mode on several occasions, was about to give in, etc, just because of friends. But what about the loved one? I think this would be the biggest challenge to his darkness/maturity, etc.

Enter Two-Face!

But seriously, that is a good question. Actually, I think we see a glimpse on how he feels if he fails to protect back in confronting Itachi's genjutsu. If you remember the genjutsu, it's all about everything he fears the most and Team 7 were part of it. He felt like the world ended for him. Also, when Naruto found out he hurt Sakura when he became 4-tails, he was deep shocked. His most important people in the world may be those 4 (Iruka and Team 7), but I do believe the one that holds a lot to him are Sasuke and Sakura, probably because they are in his age and can relate more. I sometimes feel like even though he's happy that Sakura is with him, he is scared of her going into something danger, hence don't tell Sakura that he got beat up for not telling about Sasuke. I feel that even though he accepted that people are ready to sacrifice their lives for him, he doesn't want them to die still, case in point Sakura. If Sakura feels motivated after witnessing Hinata talking about not giving up, she will persuade to do something together with Naruto, but Naruto may blab out that he doesn't want to lose her, or else he really might not recover. Look at him passing out with Sasuke becoming "impossible" to return. This moment can happen now or before the final battle of Sasuke.

[kirabook]

Well, I doubt Naruto knows the different between on panel and off panel.

It's the readers and the author who decides what is important enough to be on panel. If Naruto and Hinata has had any interaction whatsoever, apparently it was never important enough for the audience to see. It's possible Hinata's resolution is also not important enough for the audience to see.

I don't really care if she gets a resolution or not to be honest, as long as it's not stretched out to 10 chapters and full of useless flashbacks.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I read somewhere that someone said that Sakura could have the same fate as that's Neji since Kishi is ignoring her in this battle for now, just as he did to Neji in the infamous chapter 573, where ever rookie get their personal though about Naruto.

Do you have these kinda feelings?

I kinda do and I kinda don't. Kishimoto has set up obvious openings for Sakura to possibly get killed or severely injuried (Don't know how exactly how she'd get dealt the blow but hey, it's Kishi), which could connect the ObiRin parallel. Naruto could get character development, setting himself apart from Obito. I'm admittingly fond of this idea, but it's only because I like to see Naruto's character truly grow. There's absolutely no way Kishimoto would allow Sakura to stay dead, but for some reason, I see Neji staying dead. His death seemed so ... final. How this would happen? Obito has only one rinnegan eye. I don't think he can revive too many people.

Either way, if Sakura died, I would still be edgy and holding my breath. "Come back, Sakura! Come back!"

I also somehow doubt it, because Naruto grew from Neji's death. I guess you can't really say for sure.