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[Codus N]

She may have the appeal but it doesn't change the fact that she will suddenly get "bumped" up near characters such as Iruka, who hasn't done anything at all, and others like Gaara, Itachi and Minato just because of her one "defining" moment here?! Which it is actually. It's a Hinata moment, NOT a NaruHina, which many of you need to understand.

And just because of that, this chapter, I forgot to mention, is only words! No action, and I mean fights for that term.

Read the last pages:

Naruto specifically says: thanks for being by my side all this time.

If that ain't a hint of Naruto reciprocating her feelings, then I dunno what is. And the action?? the hand holding. How's that?? denying its status of whether it's canon or not is one thing. Outright denying this wasn't a NH moment is another.

Naruto's statement can either be vague or not. It depends on what he really sees Hinata as. Which we'll see in the coming chapters.

[FoolishYoungling]

*clears throat*
"Naruto is holding Hinata's hand like a big brother. You can see how he interacts with her and says to Kurama "My friends." Hinata is grieving for Neji too, so she needs a big brother right now since she lost hers to Obito. I guess Naruto will be Hinata's big brother from now on. This is totally a bro/sis moment."

And as a big brother to her he can tell her to date Sasuke now. Right?

[James S Cassidy]

And as a big brother to her he can tell her to date Sasuke now. Right?

Hah. Now THAT would be funny to see.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Read the last pages:

Naruto specifically says: thanks for being by my side all this time.

If that ain't a hint of Naruto reciprocating her feelings, then I dunno what is. And the action?? the hand holding. How's that?? denying its status of whether it's canon or not is one thing. Outright denying this wasn't a NH moment is another.

Naruto's statement can either be vague or not. It depends on what he really sees Hinata as. Which we'll see in the coming chapters.

Sakura said the same thing to Naruto, and it wasnt a hint of reciprocating naruto's feelings.
The hint was the part of the battle at the bridge.

I just hope that she does not steal too the obi/rin parallel.

[Derock]

Read the last pages:

Naruto specifically says: thanks for being by my side all this time.

If that ain't a hint of Naruto reciprocating her feelings, then I dunno what is. And the action?? the hand holding. How's that?? denying its status of whether it's canon or not is one thing. Outright denying this wasn't a NH moment is another.

Naruto's statement can either be vague or not. It depends on what he really sees Hinata as. Which we'll see in the coming chapters.

Reread my last post because I edited to make it more sense.

And I said before: until we have actual proof from him, it's STILL one-sided. He has to say thank you to her, of course, you think he suddenly going to ignore her for bring him back to himself after the shock and grief that just came up surrounding him?! If he doesn't, it will be down-right rude of him.

Oh, and James:

It's not only just old Team 7 for the advertising, its also applies to Itachi, some of the Akatsuki members like Deidara, Iruka, Gaara and Minato. There's currently alot of stuff shown with them as well.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

18/01/2012 next manga omg.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 28 December 2012 - 09:43 AM.

[StriderC]

Read the last pages:

Naruto specifically says: thanks for being by my side all this time.

If that ain't a hint of Naruto reciprocating her feelings, then I dunno what is. And the action?? the hand holding. How's that?? denying its status of whether it's canon or not is one thing. Outright denying this wasn't a NH moment is another.

Naruto's statement can either be vague or not. It depends on what he really sees Hinata as. Which we'll see in the coming chapters.

All what time? She hasn't been by his side all anytime except recently, so that's probably what Naruto is referring to because before now, there hasn't been an "all this time". She wasn't there when Sasuke defected, and at the reunion. Her relevance is centered only around Naruto and Naruto alone at this point. I can't imagine her being super important later down the line, and if she is when Sasuke returns then I'll know what Kishi is all about. I'll know he's basically caving to this rabid NH fans but I don't think he is. He's milking this kitten, and milking it well. Let him milk and mislead the NH fans but realize that Naruto STILL hasn't shown any feelings for her. Sakura STILL hasn't confirmed what her feelings are for Naruto. he constantly leaves us out on any type of dialogue when it comes to her and I feel it's for a reason. He only states the obvious and he plays with it. We already know how Hinata feels about Naruto and we already know how Sakura feels about Sasuke but it's NEVER really shown how Naruto feels about Hinata nor is it shown how Sakura feels about Naruto. It's all up in the air...

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

All what time? She hasn't been by his side all anytime except recently, so that's probably what Naruto is referring to because before now, there hasn't been an "all this time". She wasn't there when Sasuke defected, and at the reunion. Her relevance is centered only around Naruto and Naruto alone at this point. I can't imagine her being super important later down the line, and if she is when Sasuke returns then I'll know what Kishi is all about. I'll know he's basically caving to this rabid NH fans but I don't think he is. He's milking this kitten, and milking it well. Let him milk and mislead the NH fans but realize that Naruto STILL hasn't shown any feelings for her. Sakura STILL hasn't confirmed what her feelings are for Naruto. he constantly leaves us out on any type of dialogue when it comes to her and I feel it's for a reason. He only states the obvious and he plays with it. We already know how Hinata feels about Naruto and we already know how Sakura feels about Sasuke but it's NEVER really shown how Naruto feels about Hinata nor is it shown how Sakura feels about Naruto. It's all up in the air...

all this time because she was his friend, like everyone else.

[Chucky-kun]

You know what is really funny?

Noone has said anything like:

"This was just a platonic sibling moment. Naruto sees Hinata as a friend."

or

"Hinata slapped Naruto? Wow, she is so abusive."

I actually mentioned how NH always complained about Sakura's abusiveness and now its all like, THE SLAP OF LURVEEEEEEE.

Edit:
@Darkrerst Are you certain this time with the schedule? lol

Edited by Chucky-kun, 28 December 2012 - 09:53 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

It's not only just old Team 7 for the advertising, its also applies to Itachi, some of the Akatsuki members like Deidara, Iruka, Gaara and Minato. There's currently alot of stuff shown with them as well.

Good point, but does this mean that some bad guys are even more popular than Hinata?

I want to be an advertiser myself some day working for companies and each time the most important was always hook people with the most appealing aspects of the product. It is probably like the number one rule when it comes to it.

I think we are on the same wavelength with this, but it hard for me to explain. You have Itachi and the Akatsuki cause they were the villains. The villain are always appealing, just how now we don't have the Akatsuki so much as we do Tobi, but at the time you are right they were everywhere.

Personally speaking, if Hinata was really that popular I would use her character more often just to sell the products. (I mean products like game covers, card game covers, trivial generalized Naruto stuff.)

How many times has Hinata been on the cover of the manga volume? I got about 3 of them with Sakura on them.

[Codus N]

It's a Hinata moment, NOT a NaruHina, which many of you need to understand. Also, her confession didn't do jack squat, it only gave a poll increase, no marketing value. Compare that to Sakura's confession, which I recently found out: that got praise from manga reviewers because it left questioning, discussion and not to mention drama for the story and the audiences.

You do know those are western reviewers, don't you?? not the Japanese. And while the professional reviewers have merit, they don't matter to Jump, because what matters are the fans. You also seem to imply the polls don't matter. You're dead wrong. Jump is pretty much a magazine filled with mangas that go at each others' throats in order to come out on top at the end of the week. If Hinata's confession gave her a poll increase, that would still give the editors the belief that Hinata is more marketable and help boost ratings of the manga.

Why?? because the polls have shown as such, they believe the fans prefer Hinata compared to Sakura. With that thinking in mind, by churning out this chapter, I think that the editors believe that NH becoming canon would be good for the manga's popularity ranking in Jump.

With the belief that Hinata is more popular than Sakura, making NH canon would be the best move according to the editors to maintain the manga's popularity and fans.

Already did, but my argument still applies.

If her being this moe character makes her more popular, why isn't she on more advertising space? I just looked at all my Naruto products and not one has Hinata on it. Well, that's not true she is on this SJ alpha book thing I just got, but as said it was for the RtN movie.

You would think if she was popular as you say she is among the American community, the advertisers would take advantage of that. At least that is what I was taught going through advertising classes. If you want to sell a product, appeal to the majority consensus. We even had to do research on what people find most appealing and exploit it to hook people into a product.

From Advertising alone, I would say Old Team 7 is the most popular selling market. Not trying to say you are wrong, but just saying that going by advertising space is not an accurate depiction of "who is more popular?"

I think you're misunderstanding me. Hinata doesn't necessarily have to be in lots of ads and promotions or whatnot. If a chapter where she gets some spotlight ranks high, and the pattern continues whenever she gets it, that's more than enough for the editors to believe NH is the right direction and it will keep the fans faithful to the series. I get the feeling that she doesn't need more exposure in media because she's already popular enough on her own, I guess. (thanks fillers!!)

Reread my last post because I edited to make it more sense.

And I said before: until we have actual proof from him, it's STILL one-sided. He has to say thank you to her, of course, you think he suddenly going to ignore her for bring him back to himself after the shock and grief that just came up surrounding him?! If he doesn't, it will be down-right rude of him.

Now that's what I'm talking about!! that's what I've been saying! we still need to see what Naruto thinks of her. but at the very least, there is a hint heading towards the direction that he reciprocates her feelings.

[Derock]

Good point, but does this mean that some bad guys are even more popular than Hinata?

I want to be an advertiser myself some day working for companies and each time the most important was always hook people with the most appealing aspects of the product. It is probably like the number one rule when it comes to it.

I think we are on the same wavelength with this, but it hard for me to explain. You have Itachi and the Akatsuki cause they were the villains. The villain are always appealing, just how now we don't have the Akatsuki so much as we do Tobi, but at the time you are right they were everywhere.

Personally speaking, if Hinata was really that popular I would use her character more often just to sell the products. (I mean products like game covers, card game covers, trivial generalized Naruto stuff.)

How many times has Hinata been on the cover of the manga volume? I got about 3 of them with Sakura on them.

At bolded: to this very day, yes. This also applies to Zabuza and Haku as well. It was that very reason they were marketed first for Storm Generations first announced because many fans wanted to play them again.

As for manga covers: Sakura was on 5 volumes (Part 1: Vol. 1, 2 or 3, and the one with Ino; Part 2: 28 and 30, I believed), Hinata was on 2.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 28 December 2012 - 10:06 AM.

[Codus N]

all this time because she was his friend, like everyone else.

Could be. But who's to say it isn't romantic?? It all depends on next chapters but it's going to take a damn good explanation on Naruto's switcheroo.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Could be. But who's to say it isn't romantic?? It all depends on next chapters but it's going to take a damn good explanation on Naruto's switcheroo.

Because depends on the implication of the character, romantic reactions like blushing, etc...
I doubt that in a battle like this he would have time to develop a romance, right after neji's death.
For me it's development for Hinata, i knew something like that would happen, she confronted Naruto, Hinata got what she wanted.
But like i said let's wait for the next chapters.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 28 December 2012 - 10:09 AM.

[Derock]

You do know those are western reviewers, don't you?? not the Japanese. And while the professional reviewers have merit, they don't matter to Jump, because what matters are the fans. You also seem to imply the polls don't matter. You're dead wrong. Jump is pretty much a magazine filled with mangas that go at each others' throats in order to come out on top at the end of the week. If Hinata's confession gave her a poll increase, that would still give the editors the belief that Hinata is more marketable and help boost ratings of the manga.

Why?? because the polls have shown as such, they believe the fans prefer Hinata compared to Sakura. With that thinking in mind, by churning out this chapter, I think that the editors believe that NH becoming canon would be good for the manga's popularity ranking in Jump.

With the belief that Hinata is more popular than Sakura, making NH canon would be the best move according to the editors to maintain the manga's popularity and fans.

Yes, I know they're Westerners. However, she's STILL not to make the series marketable with just her being on an item such as a poster. You're talking about like she's going to be as now but not relying on the fact that this moment for her right now, DOES NOT do jack squat for her to gain that sort of recognition, unlike the others I mentioned: Iruka, Minato, Itachi and Lee. She's not even considered as a staple character. And it's too late for her to gain it when the series is almost done.

Everyone in the West wants her to gain this popularity just because she has the boobs and the moe factor. However, its too late for that. She should had gotten that when her confession was up, but it didn't change the difference. As I said before, this fandom tends to put her on a very high and indestructible pedestal that she does not deserves. This chapter gave her development NOT recognition to be on the next cover on WSJ. Y'all need to stop treating her like she needs it because of this chapter, when in reality, she's hardly not important to the plot AND series.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yes, I know they're Westerners. However, she's STILL not to make the series marketable with just her being on an item such as a poster. You're talking about like she's going to be as now but not relying on the fact that this moment for her right now, DOES NOT do jack squat for her to gain that sort of recognition, unlike the others I mentioned: Iruka, Minato, Itachi and Lee. She's not even considered as a staple character. And it's too late for her to gain it when the series is almost done.

Everyone in the West wants her to gain this popularity just because she has the boobs and the moe factor. However, its too late for that. She should had gotten that when her confession was up, but it didn't change the difference. As I said before, this fandom tends to put her on a very high and indestructible pedestal that she does not deserves. This chapter gave her development NOT recognition to be on the next cover on WSJ. Y'all need to stop treating her like she needs it because of this chapter, when in reality, she's hardly not important to the plot AND series.

I think it's probably going to be Neji on the cover.

[StriderC]

Good point, but does this mean that some bad guys are even more popular than Hinata?

I want to be an advertiser myself some day working for companies and each time the most important was always hook people with the most appealing aspects of the product. It is probably like the number one rule when it comes to it.

I think we are on the same wavelength with this, but it hard for me to explain. You have Itachi and the Akatsuki cause they were the villains. The villain are always appealing, just how now we don't have the Akatsuki so much as we do Tobi, but at the time you are right they were everywhere.

Personally speaking, if Hinata was really that popular I would use her character more often just to sell the products. (I mean products like game covers, card game covers, trivial generalized Naruto stuff.)

How many times has Hinata been on the cover of the manga volume? I got about 3 of them with Sakura on them.

She's popular. I think she's more popular than Sakura on the polls but I'm trying to remember if Sakura was in the Top Ten. Anyway, Kishi certainly doesn't have a problem writing a particular female in such a position. Makes me wonder why the kitten he has problems making Sakura shine. He did an excellent job of doing so during her fight with Sasori. I just don't understand this guy. It's not like it's impossible for him to write a legit female character. Seeing how he's handling Hinata shows us this.

Anyway, even if she's more popular, doesn't mean it's gonna be cannon because at the end of the manga, what would Kishi care if he's done writing the series? He could easily pull the rug right from underneath their feet with no problem. if Kishi wants to continue throwing NH a bone, then by all means, I have no problem with it just as long as Sakura gets some attention REALLY soon. I actually think we're gonna see her thoughts on this next chapter. At least, I hope so. She's been inactive for way too long IMO, and what's more is that she's at the freakin' location...


EDIT:

Yes, I know they're Westerners. However, she's STILL not to make the series marketable with just her being on an item such as a poster. You're talking about like she's going to be as now but not relying on the fact that this moment for her right now, DOES NOT do jack squat for her to gain that sort of recognition, unlike the others I mentioned: Iruka, Minato, Itachi and Lee. She's not even considered as a staple character. And it's too late for her to gain it when the series is almost done.

Everyone in the West wants her to gain this popularity just because she has the boobs and the moe factor. However, its too late for that. She should had gotten that when her confession was up, but it didn't change the difference. As I said before, this fandom tends to put her on a very high and indestructible pedestal that she does not deserves. This chapter gave her development NOT recognition to be on the next cover on WSJ. Y'all need to stop treating her like she needs it because of this chapter, when in reality, she's hardly not important to the plot AND series.

This and sooooo much of it. After this, what relevance will she have? I mean, really? What part is gonna play? Being Naruto's support when it comes to Sasuke? Noooo, that's gonna be Sakura's role. I don't even think she's gonna remain relevant throughout this fight with Obito. I think sometime soon, Sakura's gonna gain the spotlight because of the Obito/Rin situation and how it sooooooo easily resembles NS. Kishi would have to force it to resemble NH, and it wouldn't really work IMO because...

1. Naruto hasn't liked Hinata since the beginning.
2. She's not even his teammate.
3. She's not involved in the triangle of Naruto/Sakura/Sasuke so it really wouldn't work.

That's why I feel sometime soon, she's gonna be significant here. It's just a matter of when...

Edited by StriderC, 28 December 2012 - 10:29 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

She's popular. I think she's more popular than Sakura on the polls but I'm trying to remember if Sakura was in the Top Ten. Anyway, Kishi certainly doesn't have a problem writing a particular female in such a position. Makes me wonder why the kitten he has problems making Sakura shine. He did an excellent job of doing so during her fight with Sasori. I just don't understand this guy. It's not like it's impossible for him to write a legit female character. Seeing how he's handling Hinata shows us this.

Anyway, even if she's more popular, doesn't mean it's gonna be cannon because at the end of the manga, what would Kishi care if he's done writing the series? He could easily pull the rug right from underneath their feet with no problem. if Kishi wants to continue throwing NH a bone, then by all means, I have no problem with it just as long as Sakura gets some attention REALLY soon. I actually think we're gonna see her thoughts on this next chapter. At least, I hope so. She's been inactive for way too long IMO, and what's more is that she's at the freakin' location...


EDIT:



This and sooooo much of it. After this, what relevance will she have? I mean, really? What part is gonna play? Being Naruto's support when it comes to Sasuke? Noooo, that's gonna be Sakura's role. I don't even think she's gonna remain relevant throughout this fight with Obito. I think sometime soon, Sakura's gonna gain the spotlight because of the Obito/Rin situation and how it sooooooo easily resembles NS. Kishi would have to force it to resemble NH, and it wouldn't really work IMO because...

1. Naruto hasn't liked Hinata since the beginning.
2. She's not even his teammate.
3. She's not involved in the triangle of Naruto/Sakura/Sasuke so it really wouldn't work.

That's why I feel sometime soon, she's gonna be significant here. It's just a matter of when...

Finnaly.

[James S Cassidy]

I think you're misunderstanding me. Hinata doesn't necessarily have to be in lots of ads and promotions or whatnot. If a chapter where she gets some spotlight ranks high, and the pattern continues whenever she gets it, that's more than enough for the editors to believe NH is the right direction and it will keep the fans faithful to the series. I get the feeling that she doesn't need more exposure in media because she's already popular enough on her own, I guess. (thanks fillers!!)

I think you are misunderstanding me or you need to re-think when you said "Hinata is marketing value." Let's read what you posted.

Yeah, I've read that. But I've definitely seen that the editors have a ridiculous amount of power over the author sometimes. There are some draconian editors who only cares about the profits and ratings. And there are some, like Hattori who is honest to their mangaka and works hard to let out their story's full potential without even thinking about the profits.

So if Kishi is stuck with a particularly draconian a**hole editor, then I wouldn't be surprised why NH happened. After all, Hinata has more marketable value than the rest of the characters. She's also currently the more popular character compared to Sakura as seen in the latest character poll. Also, I know that they focus on the Japanese audience, but I wouldn't put it past Kishi's editors to consider the international fans' opinion from SJ Alpha.

These two statements imply that what you are saying is that all the marketing and editors care about is money value. If Hinata was that popular and they want that group to buy their products for said money, then they would cave to put her in more advertising space. IF they just wanted that money roll an not care about anything else.

I don't say this a lot, but this is one subject I am good at and it is a subject I am studying to make a career out of it.

To say that Hinata has more marketable value has not been shown in practice that she really is. As an advertiser you are trained to go after the trends and the popular stuff. Don't really need to know why it is popular so long as it is and if Hinata is more popular now, then it's not going to last. At least until something else comes along. And in reality terms, from what I have seen, there has been more products with Minato's face on it than I have seen with Hinata's face on it in all shapes or forms.

Hinata may be more popular than Sakura, but she is not THE most popular. Which is why she doesn't have that real marketable value unlike say Sasuke, Naruto, and Kakashi. Even villains get more top billing 9/10 times.

As I said, not to say that Hinata is not popular or that you are wrong, but from a marketing stand point you wouldn't know it just from the advertisements you see.

Also, you have to question if Hinata is more popular, why is Sakura depicted more often? Cause she is a main character. I know I know, but just because we don't see it anymore doesn't mean she isn't treated like one by the marketers. Hinata may be more popular (at the moment,) but Sakura always seems to get higher billing than Hinata every time.

It's a good question to ask on why advertisers would do something if something else is popular. In a real aspect, marketers are supposed to play a neutrality regardless of their personal opinions.

And to joke, it's not like I could just take a Naruto game, slap Hinata's face on it and it will sell millions over night. (Though some advertisers like to believe just slapping a name or image of a product on another product means it will sell well.) Which might be worth testing out. Make several pairs of boxers and have 10 different styles on it. One with just Hinata on it and see which one attracts more attention after about a week.

At bolded: to this very day, yes. This also applies to Zabuza and Haku as well. It was that very reason they were marketed first for Storm Generations first announced because many fans wanted to play them again.

As for manga covers: Sakura was on 5 volumes (Part 1: Vol. 1, 2 or 3, and the one with Ino; Part 2: 28 and 30, I believed), Hinata was on 2.

Got it, we are thinking along the same wavelength.

So basically, to shorten what I have said, Hinata is more popular than Sakura now, but compared to every other character she is still not good enough to stand alone to "sell." If you know what I mean of course.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 28 December 2012 - 10:50 AM.