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[CloudMountainJuror]

Exactly, I don't understand that either, that and this "Guilt eating Sasuke away" he'd have after killing her. Sasuke had it with Itachi because it's his BROTHER and all of this was before he learned the truth of Itachi. I doubt he'd give a kitten if he killed Sakura.

This. Sasuke wouldn't have been phased if he killed her. He showed no hesitation whatsoever, nor any recognition of caring about her in the least anymore. The same can be said for Kakashi. The only one that he still is shown to have any connection whatsoever with is Naruto, who upon showing up calmed Sasuke down slightly from his rampage.

[Phantom_999]

I just don't understand him/her using Sakura's inability to kill him as proof that she still loves him. Sasuke obviously meant something to her, he was her teammate. I can't imagine her being able to kill anyone she spend time with without a second's thought. If she can't bring herself to harm somebody, it doesn't mean she has to have romantic feelings for them.

Yeah That's like saying she'd have romantic feelings for Ino or Lee if she hesitated to kill them

I agree with you, but for the sake of argument here, I am debating with a NH fan, who claims that 540, Sai telling Naruto that Sakura loves Sasuke so much she wants to stop him doing any more harm and Naruto rejecting her confession, That must mean Sakura still loves Sasuke. Usually I can handle such things, but this really had me stumped and really lowered my morale, how should I answer this.

Not necessarily. If she "loved him so much" she would have joined him instead of stopping him, because she accepts who he is. THAT is love. Stopping him means she is putting her morals above her love for him meaning she's not doing it for him. Second We are NOT sure of What Naruto was rejecting. How ever if he was rejecting her Confession he would have said "NO I don't love you anymore. You love Sasuke end of story." Because he's a straight forward guy who means what he says. It is hinted more so Sakura did it because she loves Naruto and know it is necessary to stop Sasuke from becoming a threat. She didn't have to confess to him if she did not mean it because it would be pointless and if people think she did it to stop Naruto from pursuing Sasuke, They forget she did not have to tell him anything just go with everyone to kill him, which would have been easier.

This. Sasuke wouldn't have been phased if he killed her. He showed no hesitation whatsoever, nor any recognition of caring about her in the least anymore. The same can be said for Kakashi. The only one that he still is shown to have any connection whatsoever with is Naruto, who upon showing up calmed Sasuke down slightly from his rampage.

I actually brought that up before Sasuke did not show any remorse trying to kill her that's shows he disregards her life. She means nothing to him.

Not always, he has trouble expressing what to say in some situations.

But still MEANS what he says he does not say one thing and mean another. being bad at at saying what you feel means you would say something similar to what you meant to say. Naruto is not a liar so he wouldn't say what he had not meant.

Edited by Phantom_999, 30 December 2011 - 12:06 AM.

[Cursed Wind]

Because he's a straight forward guy who means what he says.

Not always, he has trouble expressing what to say in some situations.

[Don-kun]

Yeah That's like saying she'd have romantic feelings for Ino or Lee if she hesitated to kill them



Huh. First of all if she loved Sasuke so much and wanted to truly stop him from doing any more harm than She wouldn't of hesitated which is self contradictory. If she was so HELLBENT on stopping him because of love then she would of done it. That's what this NH fan is saying not me. Second We are NOT sure of What Naruto was rejecting. How ever if he was rejecting her Confession he would have said "NO I don't love you anymore. You love Sasuke end of story." Because he's a straight forward guy who means what he says. Anyways it is hinted more so Sakura did it because she loves NARUTO. She didn't have to confess to him if she did not mean it because it would be pointless and if people think she did it to stop Naruto from pursuing Sasuke, They forget she did not have to tell him anything just go with everyone to kill him, which would have been easier.



I actually brought that up before Sasuke did not show any remorse trying to kill her that's shows he disregards her life. She means nothing to him.

Yep I agree 100% Sasuke only care about Naruto, and he wants to kill him 1st with Naruto out of the way he can easily go and a killing rampage.

[Fenris]

Exactly. Sakura didn't *have* to confess to Naruto. It was something that could of done without. First of all we didn't even see the beginning of the conversation, but her confessing to him was just an option. She could of tried to bring him back safely/Kill Sasuke for him without confessing to him. And yeah, Phantom is right, it's more hinted that Sakura did what she did about Sasuke because she doesn't want to see something happen to Naruto and was willing to bear the burden of him hating her just to keep him safe from either emotional harm or physical. (Right?) That's love.

[Anguyen92]

Exactly. Sakura didn't *have* to confess to Naruto. It was something that could of done without. First of all we didn't even see the beginning of the conversation, but her confessing to him was just an option. She could of tried to bring him back safely/Kill Sasuke for him without confessing to him. And yeah, Phantom is right, it's more hinted that Sakura did what she did about Sasuke because she doesn't want to see something happen to Naruto and was willing to bear the burden of him hating her just to keep him safe from either emotional harm or physical. (Right?) That's love.

You know, that's an interesting thought. She didn't really have to tell Naruto anything during that scene. She could just go off and hunt Sasuke down and try to end it all, and obviously, she would be dead if that happened. I think she wanted to tell Naruto, all of this, just to let this go and end the chase to Sasuke. But, he wouldn't have at it, and, you know, after saving Sakura from near death, it happened. He finally decided to end the chase for Sasuke and just get ready to protect the village for when the time comes for Sasuke to unleash an attack on it.

[Fenris]

You know, that's an interesting thought. She didn't really have to tell Naruto anything during that scene. She could just go off and hunt Sasuke down and try to end it all, and obviously, she would be dead if that happened. I think she wanted to tell Naruto, all of this, just to let this go and end the chase to Sasuke. But, he wouldn't have at it, and, you know, after saving Sakura from near death, it happened. He finally decided to end the chase for Sasuke and just get ready to protect the village for when the time comes for Sasuke to unleash an attack on it.

Yeah, and I think he's ready to accept that things weren't and will never be the same as they were back in the team 7 days. Thus leading to eventual NS. Kakashi had mentioned that it looked like a huge burden had been lifted off of him, maybe, just maybe, Sakura did more good than harm (despite all the controversy among rabid nh fans) by speaking with Naruto.
But the whole confession could of done without, I think it was just a painful last resort on Sakuras part with really, REALLY bad timing. Like, she wants to protect his thoughts for a happy ending so badly (like how she wouldn't tell Naruto about the konoha 11 planning) that she was willing to do it for him, and when none of that worked, she told him the absolute truth, but it was such bad timing. Like when Sai told Sakura, and Sakura was like: "the fools in love with me... so let me tell him. I don't want to make another mistake" blablabla.

[Anguyen92]

Yeah, and I think he's ready to accept that things weren't and will never be the same as they were back in the team 7 days. Thus leading to eventual NS. Kakashi had mentioned that it looked like a huge burden had been lifted off of him, maybe, just maybe, Sakura did more good than harm (despite all the controversy among rabid nh fans) by speaking with Naruto.

Maybe, that call is probably 50-50. I don't if I could say that the confession ruined what they already have despite probably what the Nh is thinking. Heck, I'm here probably assuming that the relationship/dynamic between Naruto and Sakura after the confession, is the same as before it happened, except the whole Sakura saying that she loves him, which obviously is something that needs to be talked about and that Naruto, himself, needs to say he loves her as well, if he thinks that its the right time to say it and that he is willing to say it with no 2nd thoughts.

Edited by Anguyen92, 30 December 2011 - 01:20 AM.

[Fenris]

Maybe, that call is probably 50-50. I don't if I could say that the confession ruined what they already have despite probably what the Nh is thinking. Heck, I'm here probably assuming that the relationship/dynamic between Naruto and Sakura after the confession, is the same as before it happened, except the whole Sakura saying that she loves him, which obviously is something that needs to be talked about and that Naruto, himself, needs to say he loves her as well, if he thinks that its the right time to say it and that he is willing to say it with no 2nd thoughts.

Yeah, and there's no way in hell Sakura would say: "Oh.. no, no.. I was only saying that, I don't love you" I've actually had people say that to my face while debating about Sakura; like that she'd say that or something. No way in hell Sakura would turn Naruto down when her goal is to protect him. Anyway, besides that, from their relationship point of view I agree, I doubt it did anything to effect it badly, it's the same as it was before, but from a fan point of view I have to say that it was pro-NS. I don't think it'll be talked about, I think something will just happen in the heat of a moment to prove to fans that they both love each other. Say... Sakura or Naruto in grave danger and one of them is so excited to see that they're alive... or something like that. I'm not sure.

[Phantom_999]

You know, that's an interesting thought. She didn't really have to tell Naruto anything during that scene. She could just go off and hunt Sasuke down and try to end it all, and obviously, she would be dead if that happened. I think she wanted to tell Naruto, all of this, just to let this go and end the chase to Sasuke. But, he wouldn't have at it, and, you know, after saving Sakura from near death, it happened. He finally decided to end the chase for Sasuke and just get ready to protect the village for when the time comes for Sasuke to unleash an attack on it.

Oh I know that NS benefited from it but I'm using my point as an argument against NH saying Naruto rejected Sakura's confession because she was lying about loving him, and that she decided to kill Sasuke FOR Sasuke and not Naruto's sake. What impact the confession would have had if it didn't happened is a different matter to discuss.

Edited by Phantom_999, 30 December 2011 - 02:07 AM.

[Fenris]

Oh I know that NS benefited from it but I'm using my point as an argument against NH saying Naruto rejected Sakura's confession because she was lying about loving him, and that she decided to kill Sasuke FOR Sasuke and not Naruto's sake. What impact the confession would have had if it didn't happened is a different matter to discuss.

I don't exactly get why they argue that Naruto rejected Sakura because she was lying about loving him. He didn't reject her, he interrupted her because she said she didn't care about Sasuke anymore, right? She did everything she did for Naruto, it just sorta backfired in a way, but in the end it kinda worked out cause now all that's left is for Naruto to make a move.. he already got slapped in the face by the denial-ruiner when he screamed at Sai: "Sakura-chan loves Sasuke so much"

Edited by Fenris, 30 December 2011 - 02:20 AM.

[Don-kun]

My problem here is why will Kishi make Tsunade & Jiraiya so similar to NaruSaku, the MinaKushi, the Yamato speech why make Sakura say that she will not make another mistake way make Naruto say that he need to keep his promise before teling her his feelings, the bench sceen why Sakura steel don't know that he was Naruto. Kishi will have to be the biggest troll in history to make so much development on two character, him wasting so many panal and then say NaruSaku was never the intended pair.
I think he his saving everything for last with Naruto and Sakura.

[Anguyen92]

My problem here is why will Kishi make Tsunade & Jiraiya so similar to NaruSaku, the MinaKushi, the Yamato speech why make Sakura say that she will not make another mistake way make Naruto say that he need to keep his promise before teling her his feelings, the bench sceen why Sakura steel don't know that he was Naruto. Kishi will have to be the biggest troll in history to make so much development on two character, him wasting so many panal and then say NaruSaku was never the intended pair. I think he his saving everything for last with Naruto and Sakura.

Indeed that, all of this would be such a waste and all of those pages could have been saved for something else like building a development for a pairing that's not NaruSaku, so of course, he has to have a good end motive for all of the above there or if else, it would be all for naught and is just be a pure waste.

Edited by Anguyen92, 30 December 2011 - 04:10 AM.

[ciardha]

You're right, so many people believe(even NS fans) that Naruto rejected her in that scene. He didn't say anything before she mentioned Sasuke, and even them he never rejected her. He just thought the timing wasn't right and that she was hiding something else. And as I pointed out before, he had no right to accuse somebody of lying to themselves, since he almost became an expert in it.

Yeah, Naruto doesn't come off well in that scene, he looks really hypocritical considering how he was still lying to himself about Sasuke.

And no, Naruto doesn't at all reject that Sakura has romantic feelings for him, he had been in such denial "lying to himself" about Sakura's obvious romantic feelings for him that he's surprised, and has to mental adjust to it. What he was mad about was he knew Sakura had mentally convinced herself that she had thrown out every bit of feeling and even the old team mate bond and Naruto knew she was fooling herself.

Naruto's attitude is a bit flippant after he accepts what he thinks is the truth that Sakura is in love with both himself and Sasuke, because he's still irritated about her being in denial about her emotional bond to Sasuke.

But once Sai gives him a mild rebuke, his reaction shows that he has accepted Sakura is in love with him. His own denial about how things have changed takes a shattered mental image of 12 year old Sasuke fangirl Sakura and of Team 7 with that image of Sakura and of a Sasuke that is long gone too.

Naruto's words and behavior when he rescues her from Sasuke. And even more overtly, Naruto's mental image of her (and the rest of the Konoha 11) in chapter 505, page 2 shows an open acceptance of Sakura's romantic feelings for him.

Now, if Naruto would finally start flirting with Sakura again...

[FoolishYoungling]

Yeah, Naruto doesn't come off well in that scene, he looks really hypocritical considering how he was still lying to himself about Sasuke.

And no, Naruto doesn't at all reject that Sakura has romantic feelings for him, he had been in such denial "lying to himself" about Sakura's obvious romantic feelings for him that he's surprised, and has to mental adjust to it. What he was mad about was he knew Sakura had mentally convinced herself that she had thrown out every bit of feeling and even the old team mate bond and Naruto knew she was fooling herself.

Naruto's attitude is a bit flippant after he accepts what he thinks is the truth that Sakura is in love with both himself and Sasuke, because he's still irritated about her being in denial about her emotional bond to Sasuke.

But once Sai gives him a mild rebuke, his reaction shows that he has accepted Sakura is in love with him. His own denial about how things have changed takes a shattered mental image of 12 year old Sasuke fangirl Sakura and of Team 7 with that image of Sakura and of a Sasuke that is long gone too.

Naruto's words and behavior when he rescues her from Sasuke. And even more overtly, Naruto's mental image of her (and the rest of the Konoha 11) in chapter 505, page 2 shows an open acceptance of Sakura's romantic feelings for him.

Now, if Naruto would finally start flirting with Sakura again...

If he did, then we would win. I mean, why else would Kishi not be showing us Naruto and Sakura together? He is waiting till the end if you ask me.

[Don-kun]

If he did, then we would win. I mean, why else would Kishi not be showing us Naruto and Sakura together? He is waiting till the end if you ask me.

You are right is very rare that Sakura has not have any interaction with Naruto, there is no scene where the two friends had any good chat.

Why is that.

[Anguyen92]

You are right is very rare that Sakura has not have any interaction with Naruto, there is no scene where the two friends had any good chat.

Why is that.

Why is that indeed? Either Kishi just plain forgot about that or is just intentionally waiting for the right moment to pull the trigger on the captivating high end point on the Naruto and Sakura relationship.

While we're waiting for that, all right, you know let's just say for a moment that Naruhina and sasuSaku is canon, then. If that would be the case, then what would be the dynamic between Naruto and Sakura from that point on? Just two friends who's probably going to ask each other for relationship help?

Now if that was the case, wouldn't they just cut the middle and be in a relationship with each other and know that the other is always going to help them out in anything?

Edited by Anguyen92, 30 December 2011 - 08:50 PM.

[Fenris]

Well it's not like they have free time.. the war is going on.
The development between them is too far great for Kishi to just leave it undone.

[merryGOflava]

of course kishi is gonna get to it! you can't just leave stuff like that???

it might be a shounen but its also a story! and you cant leave things like this left open for no good reason!

[Fenris]

of course kishi is gonna get to it! you can't just leave stuff like that???

it might be a shounen but its also a story! and you cant leave things like this left open for no good reason!

Lol yeah. I mean he added in that dramatic Sakura/Sasuke thing when he left the village, the Hinata's confession, the Sakuras confession, all of Sakura/Naruto's flirts and moments, I mean if you'd ask me, he puts a great deal of romantic drama in it.