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[TouKen4Life3g]

How is every single person against the Eye of the Moon plan, you would think a few more ppl would be into that

It's not their world anymore. It's all in one new world, utopia if I may say. It's not the best place.

[Nostradamus]

I didnt deny it for being sincere. He thanked her and neji for being by his side, whats so special?

It's not special at all. Naruto just thanked her and Neji for standing by his side as friends. As Dαrkrєrsŧ said (I think he said this, I'm not sure) Naruto just friend-zoned her in that chapter. Like I said it's not special at all. The fans exaggerated this moment, even our own fandom at the beginning. 

 

 

@deviouslyChaotic Like I said the majority of the people that read Naruto are actually Hinata and Sasuke fans or they are just the loudest out there. They want Hinata to get her prize because she loved Naruto from day one and that means she must get him. And they want Sasuke to be Hokage because his life was so tragic and he deserves to be happy.

[Inferno180]

Well with the humor of the recent chapter behind us, guess there was one positive thing about it:

 

Least it was an actual discussion unlike the minor part of 632 with Sakura blushing or not, that was a ridiculous one.

 

Anyways yeah, I mean Naruto has attributes of both his parents but the deal why most say they see Minato as the dominant one is simple:

 

-He's been compared and seen in Naruto by Kakashi (twice), Jiraya, Tsunade, Ay, and even Tobirama (Tobirama was long dead when Naruto was born, so any claims of Minato not knowing Naruto in 631, funny how Tobirama calls them alike). Heck Jiraya's talk to Tsunade about why he sees Minato more is kinda a big one.

 

- Naruto aspires to be like Minato, the hokage, better than any others. Isn't it a big part of the story that is not who you are or where you come from but what you choose to become? Like it doesn't matter if you are short or tall, skinny or strong, male or female, etc just as long as you choose to become a great person? Guess that theme should be thrown right out.

 

- Its funny how there was no actual connection for what exactly is Naruto being paralleled to Kushina for, but I agree with sushi, its more like a comparison than a parallel. The comparison would be for how minato felt like Kushina was there in spirit with Naruto having her will. Even then wasn't it Kushina who made Minato hokage as he said, couldn't part of his comparison lets call it relate to how much he cared for her because it was mainly her who helped make him hokage?

 

- Its funny how nothing changes because theres no connection to Hinata, scene-wise we can call it similar to 615 but otherwise, theres no parallel pre-existing for NH. rather how does this impede NS? Naruto is like both parents yes but when was Hinata ever compared? To make things even then wouldn't Hinata need an actual comparison to one of the parents? Well she has none so far. I seriously wonder how many people still ignore her find someone like your mother dialouge and then the only dialogue so far were these simple words Minato, "This girl reminds me of Kushina" and he is referring to none other than Sakura. SO when did this get overrun?   It didn't, the only way this would change is if a new parallel came in or Minato said maybe I was wrong, but Kishi put that stuff in. So Naruto is like Kushina? Yeah its not anything special like practically all children carry traits of their parents in a way. But again, we see Minato more in Naruto and Sakura is still the only girl compared to Kushina, even having proof before 631 for that comparison. So unless anything actually made it so Sakura cannot be a girl compared to Kushina then what changed? Nothing, nothing has changed. NS still resonates highly with MK, if anything yeah this was just a moment not paring wise as people are trying to twist, its just rather Minato can see Kushina in spirit by Naruto. Minato simply felt fighting alongside Naruto was like fighting alongside Kushina, simple. Not like 615 as people are trying to make. While it can be seen like it in a couple ways, the execution is much different and doesn't change anything with 631 or impede anything else, I mean the development is more important and many seem to have forgotten the other side of 631 with Naruto still loving Sakura and 635 with Sakura starting to turn away from Sasuke, but oh well. I mean nothing changes unless there was an actual change, this moment didn't do anything like that.

[Superman333]

It's not special at all. Naruto just thanked her and Neji for standing by his side as friends. As Dαrkrєrsŧ said (I think he said this, I'm not sure) Naruto just friend-zoned her in that chapter. Like I said it's not special at all. The fans exaggerated this moment, even our own fandom at the beginning. 

 

 

@deviouslyChaotic Like I said the majority of the people that read Naruto are actually Hinata and Sasuke fans or they are just the loudest out there. They want Hinata to get her prize because she loved Naruto from day one and that means she must get him. And they want Sasuke to be Hokage because his life was so tragic and he deserves to be happy.

but what about Naruto's life and what about Naruto's feelings .? Naruto had a worser life than Sasuke , at least Sasuke actually seen his mom and probably dad for some years , at least he had recognition and wasn't suffering from lonliness . And last Hinata's infatuation with naruto should not even be compared to Naruto's TRUE FEELINGS OF LOVE . Naruto deserves his happiness (being Hokage and getting Sakura) and to be honest and no bashing but Sasuke needs to kill himself and Hinata needs to get a life  . 

Edited by Superman333, 05 September 2013 - 01:34 AM.

[morgaine4]

 

I fail to see how Minato is like Hinata...what is he going to say? "Dad you are such a dark weirdo."

 

This idea comes from the incorrect assumption that Minato was a super-quiet, super-serious individual.  Recently, as we've gotten to see how geeky (something that rubbed off on Kakashi), silly, and flashy Minato could be has totally negated that assumption IMO.  Minato is actually quite similar to Naruto, to Kushina, and yes to Sakura.

 

I'm  not sure why NS is worried about the parallels.  Naruto is like Minato, Naruto is like Kushina.  He's been compared to both of them in the past, but none of that relates to the parallelism that Kishimoto has set up.  Naruto is similar to both his parents, but he parallels his father, he doesn't parallel his mother --especially in terms of romance.

 

Here's the thing, you or I or anyone else could find similarities between characters and decide "OMG HERE'S A PARALLEL, SO THERE, HAHA" but that doesn't matter.  Kishimoto has used parallels to foreshadow certain things, to indicate to readers what he views as inevitable events.  He didn't have Kushina tell Naruto to fall for a woman like him so that the readers would think that Naruto would just follow her advice, he did so to indicate that just like Naruto would live up to his parents dreams/wishes by "accident," he would happen to fall for a woman like his mother.  Not because she told him to, but because even without trying he is the perfect son.  That's all.  When Minato was reminded of Kushina when Sakura when all tsundere on Naruto, after Naruto called her his kinda sorta girlfriend, that we Kisthimoto's way of letting the audience know (in an extremely unsubtle way) in what direction the romance was going.  NS has nothing to worry about.  The parallel still stands and any argument attempting to state the opposite is just a result of panicked grasping of straws.

 

Seriously, don't worry about it.  I'll just re-post my parallels post, because I think it was a decent one, and it should help with some of the unnecessary NS panicking:  http://morgaine4.tum...her-rant-b-c-im

[arian_rad]

I've been really thinking about how things could go if the infinite tsukuyomi actually takes place in the manga.. like what is Kishi planning to do with having and showing everyone in that world? He has already done it in a movie so I don't think he would go for it again. This is in my opinion the part where either Sakura comes into battle to help or all the other hokages come in the next chapter to stop this. Im pretty sure the next chapter is the 9th of this volume so I'm pretty sure something big will happen or the hokages will be introduced. However, I don't see much potential for a NaruSaku moment anytime soon? do you guys see any incoming? and how?

[deviouslyChaotic]

Not only that but i've heard that Hinata rather die if she can't be with Naruto...................................... This is very interesting.

We could say that she has had her strong development ,but what she did in 615 the whole ''Naruto-kun's big hand '' and 633 him being the object of aspiration inspiration doesn't bode well , it screams to me loudly that Kishi doesn't care about her at all . She was suppose to be able to stand on her own two feet , but instead what happened ? Yep.

Yeah, I've heard NH fans spew out that same nonsensical statement before as well. :\

 

Bolded. Yes, you're completely right about that. However, regardless if she's still clinging to Naruto, I still don't believe she's so weak as to have an emotional breakdown if Naruto were to "choose Sakura over her." Regardless of what happens, I'm sure she may always admire Naruto in some way and he may always be some sort of source of inspiration for her. What I mean by this is, she can completely drop her romantic feelings for him, yet still admire him as well as gain inspiration from him and his actions. If that were to happen, one could argue that her fixation with him didn't necessarily go away, rather it was just considerably toned down, if that makes sense. I'm still hoping she would drop her fixation with him completely though haha.

[deviouslyChaotic]

It's not special at all. Naruto just thanked her and Neji for standing by his side as friends. As Dαrkrєrsŧ said (I think he said this, I'm not sure) Naruto just friend-zoned her in that chapter. Like I said it's not special at all. The fans exaggerated this moment, even our own fandom at the beginning. 

 

 

@deviouslyChaotic Like I said the majority of the people that read Naruto are actually Hinata and Sasuke fans or they are just the loudest out there. They want Hinata to get her prize because she loved Naruto from day one and that means she must get him. And they want Sasuke to be Hokage because his life was so tragic and he deserves to be happy.

Yes, I don't blame them for wanting the best for their favorite characters--there's nothing wrong with that, but sometimes the way they act is just a bit... much. They certainly are the louder parts of the fandom that's for sure hahaha.

[Psychox]

The only thing that upsets me about Hinata is that she always ruin a Naruto fight, i'm not bashing and i dont want to sound like i'm bashing, but Pain's arc was cool and stuff until Naruto got beaten just for Hinata step in and confess then we got things dowhill until Minato shows up and reveal the obvious.

Then on this fight again, he was spamming chakra and rasengan everywhere and suddenly got weakened to just some wild hyuugas shows up when a while ago he was with Kakashi and cia.

Then Hinata says the very same thing Naruto said to Obito on a few chapter ago, and then magically he reminds about the people who sacrificed their lives for him to succeed when he a while ago said that he wont fail because of the very same people who sacrificed... yadda yadda.

I'm just sick that on the two most important fights of Naruto we had interruptions to give Hinata development.

 

But this fight with Obito for me it was the most boring fight ever on Naruto, it was cool when it was only Naruto, Kakashi, Gai and Hachibi but then only gets downhill with Talk, Jutsu, Talk, Jutsu, Talk, Jutsu.

Obito even interrupted his jutsu to tell Naruto some stuff.

 

Indeed. In other words to give a  side character a moment you have to take down the main, not only that but interrupt an awesome fight sequence . 
 

 

@deviouslyChaotic Like I said the majority of the people that read Naruto are actually Hinata and Sasuke fans or they are just the loudest out there. They want Hinata to get her prize because she loved Naruto from day one and that means she must get him. And they want Sasuke to be Hokage because his life was so tragic and he deserves to be happy.

 

So by their arguments we could safely say that Naruto deserves Sakura and the Hokage seat ,because hm lets see , not only was she loathed and despised from the villagers but he didn't have one friend . I'm starting to see a skewed pattern here ,

Hinata loved Naruto from behind a tree ,but did she do anything to save him from his despair then? Nope.

  

 

Yeah, I've heard NH fans spew out that same nonsensical statement before as well. :\

 

Bolded. Yes, you're completely right about that. However, regardless if she's still clinging to Naruto, I still don't believe she's so weak as to have an emotional breakdown if Naruto were to "choose Sakura over her." Regardless of what happens, I'm sure she may always admire Naruto in some way and he may always be some sort of source of inspiration for her. What I mean by this is, she can completely drop her romantic feelings for him, yet still admire him as well as gain inspiration from him and his actions. If that were to happen, one could argue that her fixation with him didn't necessarily go away, rather it was just considerably toned down, if that makes sense. I'm still hoping she would drop her fixation with him completely though haha.

 

She kind of states that in 633 aka friendzoning herself in the matter saying she wants to be his peer , but hey others say she wants to be his bride .

[Superman333]

I've been really thinking about how things could go if the infinite tsukuyomi actually takes place in the manga.. like what is Kishi planning to do with having and showing everyone in that world? He has already done it in a movie so I don't think he would go for it again. This is in my opinion the part where either Sakura comes into battle to help or all the other hokages come in the next chapter to stop this. Im pretty sure the next chapter is the 9th of this volume so I'm pretty sure something big will happen or the hokages will be introduced. However, I don't see much potential for a NaruSaku moment anytime soon? do you guys see any incoming? and how?

well to me it seems as if Sasuke is starting to show his true colors now . So a NS moment is  possible although it should be sometime when Sasuke shows his true colors in front of Naruto and Sakura but after the battle with Obito .  Imo . 

[MoonStar]

This isn't news but ever since the whole Kushina/Sakura similarity ordeal, many fans have either tried to ignore it, either claiming that Naruto was already like Kushina or Hinata is like Kushina more so, or made a similar comparison to Minato with Hinata. I don't even have to be a NaruSaku shipper to know this was just a case of extreme denial. How could you not see the temper, the split personality and the hair/forehead that they were both teased for? They even kind of look alike! Soon the Minato/Hinata parallel became the dominant rebuttal to the Kushina/Sakura parallel, along with a Kushina/Naruto parallel to support. If anyone out there can give me a genuine comparison between Minato and Hinata that makes then more similar than any other female character is similar to Minato then please help me out. I honestly don't know what is similar between them.

 

Many are also hoping Minato eventually compares himself to Hinata or Kushina is revived and does so. Yeah, extreme wishful thinking, right? This would be nothing short of a pathetic appeasement of a fanbase. I mean can you just imagine how absolutely random and contrived it would be for Minato or Kushina to notice Hinata out of everyone in the battle field and make that comparison that doesn't even exist? You don't even have to be a pairing shipper to realize that Sakura resembled Kushina so Minato commenting on that shouldn't be a big deal. The only reason you couldn't see it is because you wouldn't allow yourself to see it out of fear that Kushina would have preferred Sakura over Hinata.

 

Another argument is that since both Sakura and Naruto are similar to Kushina, the relationship shouldn't work and therefore he needs Hinata. First of all, they're similar to Kushina in two very different ways. Naruto has Kushina's confidence while Sakura has her personality. A personality that is only evident when she's around Naruto. Kushina's personality isn't very similar to Naruto. He's too much of a goof.

 

I'm not here to argue that NaruSaku will be canon because of the Kushina/Sakura similarities. I'm just here to rant a little on the obnoxious, illogical behavior of quite a number of pairing fans.

[BlueStarSaber]

Say does anyone want to see Sakura Punching Sasuke?

[Psychox]

This isn't news but ever since the whole Kushina/Sakura similarity ordeal, many fans have either tried to ignore it, either claiming that Naruto was already like Kushina or Hinata is like Kushina more so, or made a similar comparison to Minato with Hinata. I don't even have to be a NaruSaku shipper to know this was just a case of extreme denial. How could you not see the temper, the split personality and the hair/forehead that they were both teased for? They even kind of look alike! Soon the Minato/Hinata parallel became the dominant rebuttal to the Kushina/Sakura parallel, along with a Kushina/Naruto parallel to support. If anyone out there can give me a genuine comparison between Minato and Hinata that makes then more similar than any other female character is similar to Minato then please help me out. I honestly don't know what is similar between them.

 

Many are also hoping Minato eventually compares himself to Hinata or Kushina is revived and does so. Yeah, extreme wishful thinking, right? This would be nothing short of a pathetic appeasement of a fanbase. I mean can you just imagine how absolutely random and contrived it would be for Minato or Kushina to notice Hinata out of everyone in the battle field and make that comparison that doesn't even exist? You don't even have to be a pairing shipper to realize that Sakura resembled Kushina so Minato commenting on that shouldn't be a big deal. The only reason you couldn't see it is because you wouldn't allow yourself to see it out of fear that Kushina would have preferred Sakura over Hinata.

 

Another argument is that since both Sakura and Naruto are similar to Kushina, the relationship shouldn't work and therefore he needs Hinata. First of all, they're similar to Kushina in two very different ways. Naruto has Kushina's confidence while Sakura has her personality. A personality that is only evident when she's around Naruto. Kushina's personality isn't very similar to Naruto. He's too much of a goof.

 

I'm not here to argue that NaruSaku will be canon because of the Kushina/Sakura similarities. I'm just here to rant a little on the obnoxious, illogical behavior of quite a number of pairing fans.

Bolded:

 

This is nothing but a folly .

It seems that the opposite  fandoms  are so chained  on the opposites attract argument   that in terms of  a pairing having familiar traits its seen as an obstacle or even a negative. I guess  somewhere it was written in fantasy lore/fan fiction  if two people share  certain traits  that can’t ground each other or they can’t be with each other  in contrast to two people who are totally unlike and distant getting together.
 

It makes no kittening sense what so ever ...

Question section 1: How is Hinata relevant or comes near in the romantic sub-plot that Minato will have to recognize or make a comparison to him or his wife ? I mean what the hell  is he suppose to say to her ? How does she resembles him ?

Question section  2 : Does anybody else think that a Sakura arc growing out of Sasuke comes or is building up? Why do the opposite camps claim that Sakura CAN'T change her mind ? Why are they so afraid of it ?

Edited by Psychox, 05 September 2013 - 11:29 AM.

[Jake]

Say does anyone want to see Sakura Punching Sasuke?

 

I Do! I Do!

[Psychox]

^It takes two to tango i guess .

[BlueStarSaber]

Bolded:

 

This is nothing but a folly .

It seems that certain sections of the fandom are so chained  into the “opposites attract”  that in terms of being a pairing having familiar traits is seen as a obstacle or even a negative. It seems somewhere it was written in fantasy lore/fan fiction  if two people share  certain common characteristics that can’t ground each other or they can’t be with each other  in contrast to two people who are totally unlike coming together.
 

It makes no kittening sense what so ever ...

Question section 1: How is Hinata relevant or comes near in the romantic sub-plot that Minato will have to recognize or make a comparison to him or his wife ? I mean what the hell  is he suppose to say to her ? How does she resembles him ?

Question section  2 : Does anybody else think that a Sakura arc growing out of Sasuke comes or is building up? Why do the opposite camps claim that Sakura CAN'T change her mind ? Why are they so afraid of it ?

 

From what I have seen most canon pairings have been those who have argued with each other.

 

1. Not really if Hinata has any relevance to the romance sub-plot it would be a distraction to reader from Sakura, if Minato was to meet Hinata he might ask Naruto who is she and he might just say she's alright but a bit of a weirdo.

 

2. At the moment I say building up, maybe they prefer the girls to keep crushing on the same guy.

[Psychox]

 

From what I have seen most canon pairings have been those who have argued with each other.

 

1. Not really if Hinata has any relevance to the romance sub-plot it would be a distraction to reader from Sakura, if Minato was to meet Hinata he might ask Naruto who is she and he might just say she's alright but a bit of a weirdo.

 

2. At the moment I say building up, maybe they prefer the girls to keep crushing on the same guy.

Most of the pairing don't have chemistry at all . Maybe one sided ,extremely.

- They are hoping for an opposite answer from Minato saying : That's the girl for you she is better than that pink haired meanie !

-Its unhealthy and goes to obsession thats what growing up is called a ''remedy'' to this kind of situations

[BlueStarSaber]

Most of the pairing don't have chemistry at all . Maybe one sided ,extremely.

- They are hoping for an opposite answer from Minato saying : That's the girl for you she is better than that pink haired meanie !

-Its unhealthy and goes to obsession thats what growing up is called a ''remedy'' to this kind of situations

 

In Naruto or in general, cause I was was saying in general most couple are a like and have a bit of arguing before happening.

 

- That's not goona happen and if it did Naruto wouldn't change his mind from Sakura just like that.

 

- True Hinata does seem to be proof of that or that's what everyone seems to think

[Psychox]

 

In Naruto or in general, cause I was was saying in general most couple are a like and have a bit of arguing before happening.

 

- That's not goona happen and if it did Naruto wouldn't change his mind from Sakura just like that.

 

- True Hinata does seem to be proof of that or that's what everyone seems to think

Truth be told , they say that Sakura doesn't deserve Naruto that's why many don't care if Hinata doesn't end with Naruto they just want Sakura to suffer or at least that's the vibe i am catching from their arguments and posts . Another thing they degrade his love to ''fail crush'' and hoping that he has matured now and will come Hinata's way to return her love .

There are those who don't want him to be hanging on a chick that doesn't love him .

And again i see some of them want Hinata to be rewarded ...

Its not just about Hinata ,its the same pattern for Sakura

Edited by Psychox, 05 September 2013 - 11:56 AM.

[Inferno180]

I think we are just waiting for the right setup, if anything the Kushina stuff can come close to Minato because of what we know of Kushina's limited background and how its close to Sakura, well thats a key if anything relative can come up for now. Otherwise some connection could also come from Obito-Rin. The biggest stuff though we are waiting on is the Sasuke ordeal, basically how will 635 if anything develop off this and impact Sakura and Naruto? The Naruto vs. Sasuke fight is our ace in the hole, basically around that time expect Sakura to have everything in Naruto. I mean development is the most important thing, but we have a lot of additional evidence and potential just by Kushina due to her background, early interaction with Minato like Sakura to Naruto, and 631 (also helps that Naruto practically said he still loves her, I mean if he really thinks she is "more or less" his girlfriend then thats saying something). NS has everything set up, its laid out, kishi can exectute it anyway he feels, we just really need to see how Sasuke's trouble making impacts both Naruto and Sakura later on.