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[Anguyen92]

Even if it was a mistranslation it points to NS, anyway. Hinata was the first girl to come his way.

Who really knows to be honest? Hinata might be the first female that might have see something in Naruto, and she was rooting for him to succeed, I think, but you know, seeing something and doing something are two different things and in Hinata's case, she didn't do anything to alleviate the pain that Naruto was going through, she just probably only witness the emotional carnage, now if she actually did something, during those times, then we got a case, but that's not the case.

But in Naruto's perspective, there's only one female and one female only, which is Sakura, of course, that he might want to go deeper than the standard good, platonic, friendship part and I can't imagine him, trying to do that with another person, so yeah.

[Fenris]

Who really knows to be honest? Hinata might be the first female that might have see something in Naruto, and she was rooting for him to succeed, I think, but you know, seeing something and doing something are two different things and in Hinata's case, she didn't do anything to alleviate the pain that Naruto was going through, she just probably only witness the emotional carnage, now if she actually did something, during those times, then we got a case, but that's not the case.

But in Naruto's perspective, there's only one female and one female only, which is Sakura, of course, that he might want to go deeper than the standard good, platonic, friendship part and I can't imagine him, trying to do that with another person, so yeah.

Imo, Hinata worships Naruto, idolizes Naruto, but she knows that Sakura and Naruto are meant to be. i.e: Hug scene, her approving face and expression. Why show her in particular after her confession, ahah. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Naruto only wants one girl like you said, and that's his Sakura-chan.
Plus, my cousin, who's been reading manga for years (he's 22) even says that NS will happen. He doesn't ship anything, but he's just going with what the manga states and shows him. He likes Hinata, too. So from an unbiased point of view from him (literally.. he ships nothing.) he just says that Naruto will end up with Sakura judging from the manga.

[God of All Shinobi]

Hmmm, I remember that, but I think it was a mistranslation or something. I can't really remember, it was discussed when the chapter came out.

cool thanx, but I suppose in a sense it can be argued against NAruSaku as well, because Sakura was the first girl Naruto loved.

[Don-kun]

Hey I was on a random Youtube video just a few days ago, and according to one user, in the official translation of the Naruto chapter Kushina said " Don't choose the first girl that comes your way "

Is this true.

Random user F:

So, we have the Official VIZ translation of what Kushina said to Naruto and here it is darlings:

"and the most problematic is girls...I'm a girl so I don't know much about this...but at some point you'll notice girls and that's normal."

"...Just be careful...Don't fall for the first girl that comes your way...find someone...like me...":

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<Because some people were wondering what the official trans said, here you go

Posted by Louchan NF

VIZ or not, that's incorrect.



Kushina is using the words 変な女.
変 is "hen". "Hen" means "weird".

So yeah. But nice try anyway.

Random user F:
Okay I've talked to Hexa and the official translators do not talk to Kishimoto...

Louchan's translation seems to be right, so...yes I admit I'm wrong and Louchan is right, so I'm sorry...

Now this thread can be closed and don't worry I won't make another one like this again

[Nate River]

Who really knows to be honest? Hinata might be the first female that might have see something in Naruto, and she was rooting for him to succeed, I think, but you know, seeing something and doing something are two different things and in Hinata's case, she didn't do anything to alleviate the pain that Naruto was going through, she just probably only witness the emotional carnage, now if she actually did something, during those times, then we got a case, but that's not the case.

But in Naruto's perspective, there's only one female and one female only, which is Sakura, of course, that he might want to go deeper than the standard good, platonic, friendship part and I can't imagine him, trying to do that with another person, so yeah.

For the sake of argument, I will run with this translation for this post. I think a statement like that can be spun either way. It depends on what she means when she says the first one to come his way.

Sakura is the first girl he had an interest in. Hinata is the first who appears to have an interest in him at least openly (and able to identify it), though I don't know about what point she is venturing on the hero-worship-crush-love-scale. She appears to feel all of these at various points, but exactly when she transitions from one to the other I don't know.

So, which does she mean? I think when someone says that it's more likely to mean the former, but there is no reason it has to be.

Anyway, if you want to read into what she says, I think the point on which the translations agree is the most important anyway...that he find someone like her.

Kishimoto's parrellel's are not particularly subtle, but the Kushina/Sakura is in your face even by his standards.

[Fenris]

This worries me a bit: Remember when Naruto said he'd change the Hyuuga clan someday? What if that means getting with Hinata and changing it?

[Thomas]

naruto can be a poligamic deep inside and marry every girl from every clan
hahaha jokes.

he said he will change when he'll become a hokage not marrying
i think he will use the hokage's authority to change this, but i think the hyuuga's clan already changed after that fight of neji vs naruto

Edited by Thomas Narusaku, 28 December 2011 - 12:03 PM.

[Jenskott]

This worries me a bit: Remember when Naruto said he'd change the Hyuuga clan someday? What if that means getting with Hinata and changing it?

Mizura once replied to the "Naruto promised change the Hyuuga Clan! He can do that if he marries Hinata!" argument with this splendid retort: "He made that promise to NEJI. He can marry HIM, then."

Naruto vowed change the Hyuuga clan to eliminate the discrimination suffered Branch line members. Not only that vow has nothing to do with Hinata -and he does not need gettting married to Hinata to fullfill it- but he has already accomplished that. If you read the confrontation between Hiashi and Hizashi several chapters ago, you will see Hiashi stated he was already trying to change the clan.

Hence, don't worry. Naruto is not compelled to marry Hinata for fullfilling a vow he has already fullfilled and had nothing to do with her.

Moreover, I don't imagine Hinata would like that. I am quite certain she would want Naruto married her out of love, not out of obligation.

[Nate River]

This worries me a bit: Remember when Naruto said he'd change the Hyuuga clan someday? What if that means getting with Hinata and changing it?

Aside from what Jenskott said (which is all true), I simply do not see how marrying Hinata furthers this objective. What does marrying her do for him that either (a) he hasn't already done in his fight with Neji (see Jenskott's post) or (b) he couldn't do it he were Hokgae?

I would think that if either Hiashi or the clan were still that resistent to change and Naruto was marrying Hinata in part or in whole in order to effect a significant change that had yet to happen they would do everything within their power to make sure that they did not marry or if they marry to strip Hinata of whatever authority she had. Conversely, if they are not inclined to do that it suggests they are all ready for the change, in which case, why is Naruto needed to what they already are inclined to do?

If they are married without incident within the clan, I would think it's a sign of that change and will not be the cause of it because they are accepting someone who has openly stated he wants to alter the way they do business. But again, Kishimoto has already been doing this through Hiashi, Hizashi and Neji...so why is Hinata needed, especially when the plight of the Branch family has been told almost exclusively through Neji and Hiashi.

Hinata is a part of that because she is Hyuuga, but that's not really her story. It's Neji's.

If he marries Hinata it will be because he loves her and not because of a political cause.

[Anguyen92]

This worries me a bit: Remember when Naruto said he'd change the Hyuuga clan someday? What if that means getting with Hinata and changing it?

Nope, because like Jenskott posted, Neji is a Hyuuga too, so if changing the clan means marrying Hinata, the result can be the same by marrying Neji, no? And like Nate says, Naruto is not going to marry someone, due to a political cause. If he is going to marry someone, then its going to because he loves her and she loves him and they both want/need to spend to the rest of their lives with the other.

[Phantom_999]

We wouldn't really need to use 235 as evidence anyways. When you think about it [pfft you should know ], Naruto's speech is stuff we've heard before in the manga, which is canon evidence, we can always look back on those chapters that specifically include those parts. 235 is basically canon stuff repeated in a filler episode, so we wouldn't really need to use it.

Indeed.I'm just saying that if NH wants to tango by saying fillers don't count I say bring it on! You ain't got S*** for NH WITHOUT fillers.

Hey I was on a random Youtube video just a few days ago, and according to one user, in the official translation of the Naruto chapter Kushina said " Don't choose the first girl that comes your way "

Is this true.

Even if it was a mistranslation it points to NS, anyway. Hinata was the first girl to come his way.

Yeah it was the American translations but in any sense her advice was to not fall in love on impulse. And falling for Hinata out of the blue when they don't even have an intimate bond would be just silly. She basically would want a daughter-in-law similar to her cause they would get along really well.

[Fenris]

Thanks for making me unworried guys
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So i was wondering, maybe this would be debatable material?

ookay, I’m not gon’ dress this kitten up. Sasusaku is indeed and looking dead in the anime. I’m not going to lie, it looks like sasusaku isn’t going to ever happen in any sort of century, she doesn’t understand him, he wants to kill her, naruto, everyone. (But) Though he tried to kill her, she couldn’t kill him. The fact that she couldn’t well, it proves a lot. When I first watched Naruto…I thought that sasusaku shippers where totally mad; because that love, just seemed like Sakura talking the talk and Sasuke ignoring her. It seemed so unrequited, like unrequited bullsh** people called love. It seemed like she was some young, silly, fan girl claiming she was ‘in love’ with him. Now when I watch Shippuden, I realized that when she couldn’t kill him, that love, was real, it matured. She couldn’t bring herself to kill him, that little tiny thing means a lot to me, any subtle sasusaku ‘hints’ they really do. Cause simply, one day they might actually mean something. Imagine if he had killed her, well first off, he might be eaten away by the guilt, eventually like it ate at him when he killed Itachi, that gives me hope, imagining, not nit picking at what I see, what I read in between. I have hope that someday, they will happen, one day, she’ll understand him. That is what I love sasusaku.

-END RANT-

But anyway, I like how even they admitted how SS is dead.
Anyway, I still see Sasuke showing no empathy at all if he killed Sakura.

Naruto should end up with Hinata, cause there’s none who can love him so much and she’s GREAT. Sakura will never love him as much as Sasuke.

Oi.

Edited by Fenris, 29 December 2011 - 07:50 PM.

[Fenris]

I just don't understand him/her using Sakura's inability to kill him as proof that she still loves him. Sasuke obviously meant something to her, he was her teammate. I can't imagine her being able to kill anyone she spend time with without a second's thought. If she can't bring herself to harm somebody, it doesn't mean she has to have romantic feelings for them.

Exactly, I don't understand that either, that and this "Guilt eating Sasuke away" he'd have after killing her. Sasuke had it with Itachi because it's his BROTHER and all of this was before he learned the truth of Itachi. I doubt he'd give a kitten if he killed Sakura.

[God of All Shinobi]

I just don't understand him/her using Sakura's inability to kill him as proof that she still loves him. Sasuke obviously meant something to her, he was her teammate. I can't imagine her being able to kill anyone she spend time with without a second's thought. If she can't bring herself to harm somebody, it doesn't mean she has to have romantic feelings for them.

I agree with you, but for the sake of argument here, I am debating with a NH fan, who claims that 540, Sai telling Naruto that Sakura loves Sasuke so much she wants to stop him doing any more harm and Naruto rejecting her confession, That must mean Sakura still loves Sasuke. Usually I can handle such things, but this really had me stumped and really lowered my morale, how should I answer this.

[Anguyen92]

I agree with you, but for the sake of argument here, I am debating with a NH fan, who claims that 540, Sai telling Naruto that Sakura loves Sasuke so much she wants to stop him doing any more harm and Naruto rejecting her confession, That must mean Sakura still loves Sasuke. Usually I can handle such things, but this really had me stumped and really lowered my morale, how should I answer this.

Well, all of those are pretty hard to argue with, but for the most part, I would respond with "All right, fair enough, but no pairing is canon yet, right? We'll see in the end if Sakura actually rejects Sasuke if he's good again, and wants to be with Sakura and, of course, have Sakura have that long discussion with Naruto over every pairing hint that there is."

Edited by Anguyen92, 29 December 2011 - 08:51 PM.

[Don-kun]

That is something I don't get from the other pairing
Sakura still has feeling for Sasuke but they ignore that she has feelings for Naruto
romantic or platonic we don't know but they are strong.
But becuase Sakura still feel something for Sasuke, they're ignoring how Sakura feels for Naruto and how Sasuke feels about her stating that SS is still alive.

But Naruto still lovin Sakura, and Sasuke never lovin Sakura and trying to kill her and all the negative things he did to her, they don't see that as SS been dead.

Edited by donjoseph19, 29 December 2011 - 09:32 PM.

[Thomas]

and all the NS moments comes from the manga not anime , NH only happens in the anime, i dont see NH in manga really.
why he would draw NS moments? and not NH?
It would be dumb , NH is fanmade