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#7481 PhenixElite

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 02:17 PM

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Anyone else think Minato recebt comparison of Naruto to Kushina could give new hope to NH because they think Hinata is like minato and naruto is like Kushina

Did Kushina say find someone like your father or mother?
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Posted 04 September 2013 - 02:40 PM

Tomato TOmato

 

Also  I hope he does launch the infinite tuskeyomi (spell check, to lazy to check) so that we could have a few chapters similar to movie 6 and hopefully some really passionate NS moments.

 

Anyone else think Minato recebt comparison of Naruto to Kushina could give new hope to NH because they think Hinata is like minato and naruto is like Kushina

 

I fail to see how Minato is like Hinata...what is he going to say? "Dad you are such a dark weirdo."


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 03:11 PM

 

I fail to see how Minato is like Hinata...what is he going to say? "Dad you are such a dark weirdo."

Not just that. If Minato was really like Hinata, we won't be seeing him like how we are seeing him now. Just put Hinata's character in Minato's shoes. There's a big difference between them.



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Posted 04 September 2013 - 03:16 PM

If I'm not mistaken, but you guys seem to really forget the point of parallel a little too fast. I am hoping that I am wrong.



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Posted 04 September 2013 - 03:28 PM

Ok so let's compare some things.

 

Nh has the fact that Naruto is similar to Kushina. I wonder if they acknowledge that Naruto is also similar to Kushina. But Tsunade did compare her to him and now Minato saw Kushina in Naruto. What Minato saw isn't something odd considering Naruto is Kushina's son.

 

As for NS and MK being the same.

 

On the logic that Naruto=Kushina then Naruto=Minato. Several characters have expressed the same thing, characters that arguably knew Naruto better.

Minato the guy that seems to shake up all pairings, while asking therefore thinking that Sakura might be Naruto's girlfriend seeing the way she acted she reminded himself of Kushina.

 

Therefore we have characters comparing Naruto and Sakura to Minato and Kushina.

They only have some similarities that I for one consider a bit far fetched.



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Posted 04 September 2013 - 03:34 PM

I really think people missed the point...oh boy, I don't want to fix this. I want to rest...

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 03:47 PM

I really didn't see a comparison in this chapter between Naruto and Kushina. It's Minato describing how he felt when Kushina was alive and gave him the feeling that he can do anything too from when he saw Naruto's determination that he can do anything. That's why he said " It feels nostalgic ". He's remembering a feeling, that's all.

 

There's no comparing between characters, or saying about a trait to parallel it, nor two similar events.

 

So, Naruto's spirit made Minato remember that same feeling of doing anything by linking it to Kushina that was the cause of that feeling for Minato.


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 04:08 PM

I really didn't see a comparison in this chapter between Naruto and Kushina. It's Minato describing how he felt when Kushina was alive and gave him the feeling that he can do anything too from when he saw Naruto's determination that he can do anything. That's why he said " It feels nostalgic ". He's remembering a feeling, that's all.

 

There's no comparing between characters, or saying about a trait to parallel it, nor two similar events.

 

So, Naruto's spirit made Minato remember that same feeling of doing anything by linking it to Kushina that was the cause of that feeling for Minato.

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 04:22 PM

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I tried to see the comparison... But, there's no comparison at all. In conclusion, it's Minato describing the feeling and remembering the cause of that feeling that is the same of what Naruto was showing.



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Posted 04 September 2013 - 05:01 PM

I've been lurking around on the Anti NS tags and I've came to she conclusion that from the words written there ,some have lost faith,others are angry and afraid . NS is dead , all of its moment revolves around Sasuke if it happens its because of him ...

Some are claiming that Naruto accepts Sakura's love he supports SS and will make it canon , HInata will get her chance too..

But forget about that ..

 
I've got a couple of  questions:

-Did Kishi ever say that there will be no Main boy X Main female ? Because I'm on the anti tags and came across this also i do remember seeing it elsewhere .

- Do any of you think if Sasuke returned Sakura's feelings before he left aka her confession to him by any chance that she would be thrilled ?

 


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 05:11 PM

No Superman333, it just shows how little or nothing of an artist you truly are, because not a single painter, musician, composer and etc. would remotely auto proclaim themselves such.
They are aware to know that that decision is not theirs, but, it's in fact , the audience who does that.
An artist is defined an artist when people recognize or see a potential in his/her art. That "potential" is shown in the form of ideas, concepts, creativity, method, style, effort etc...

As part of the audience of your artwork, I can say that you definitely put all your efforts in taking a simple picture of the original manga page and posting it here. And in denying and lying, of course.

Make the video, do a livestream, do whatever you want. You want to prove that you are able to redraw a scan from the manga like that? Fantastic, go ahead and DO IT this time, but I expect you to draw it identical with the same inking style and screen tones.

I'm pretty sure you will handle everything in just one night.


Sorry guys I won't reply any further on this issue, I'll get back on topic :D

I'm sure we will get an ObiRin/NaruSaku parallel in few chapters. Looks like Obito's plan is moving really fast! I can't help but think about RTN here.

man this my last time replying bout this thang . I'ma artist with God given talent . God blessed me . I just can't understand why its so hard to believe I did it . Your excuses its because it looks too perfect and then you talk as iif you know about me lols . You talk like you know about my work .  You talk as if you know how much work I put when it reality you don't know kitten about me , when in reality you don't know kitten about what I can do lols . Because I drew it so good and it took me a night and half a day its hard to believe I did it because you want to base my success on a ROUGH DRAFT  that i made . Wow I didn't know a rough draft is supposed to look so damn perfect that it reflects the actual art work . I thought a rough draft is just supposed to get you warmed up lols . And the mere fact that you flaming over my art is flattering because thats how I know I did a great ass job . But like I said I don't go back on my work and when i say I'ma do something I'ma do it . All yall ESPECIALLY YOU fina apologize to me when the time come and I prove yall wrong . 

 

but for everybody else I also apologize for carrying this on further I guess its just now that I need to prove em wrong . 

 

But anyway , it seems like Sasuke was getting jealous at Naruto's chakra control and immense improvement  imo . 


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 05:20 PM

I've been lurking around on the Anti NS tags and I've came to she conclusion that from the words written there ,some have lost faith,others are angry and afraid . NS is dead , all of its moment revolves around Sasuke if it happens its because of him ...

Some are claiming that Naruto accepts Sakura's love he supports SS and will make it canon , HInata will get her chance too..

But forget about that ..

 
I've got a couple of  questions:

-Did Kishi ever say that there will be no Main boy X Main female ? Because I'm on the anti tags and came across this also i do remember seeing it elsewhere .

- Do any of you think if Sasuke returned Sakura's feelings before he left aka her confession to him by any chance that she would be thrilled ?

 

No to my knowledge Kishi never said that, I would assume if he had you would have seen it countless times it would have even come up on this board despite the fact that it would be piece of Anti-NS evidence if it were true. With regards to your second comment she would have 100% thrilled I don't even think that is in question, she was madly in love (Infatuated) with him.  So much so that she stayed attached to him for years despite everything he had done so yeah if pre-crazy evil Sasuke had returned her feelings they would be the canon pairing and Sakura would most likely have left with him or he would have still knocked her out and left konoha to spare her following him down his dark path in which case she would have been pining for him even more and NS would be the quintessential side pairing where the nice guy can never win the girl away from the brooding and tortured cool guy with a "heart of gold". 



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Posted 04 September 2013 - 05:22 PM

I tried to see the comparison... But, there's no comparison at all. In conclusion, it's Minato describing the feeling and remembering the cause of that feeling that is the same of what Naruto was showing.


Rather its not referring to anything pairing wise, if anything minato was describing how it was familiar as he used to fight alongside Kushina. Minato was basically stating how fighting alongside naruto was like how he used to team up with Kushina in their fights. Rather theres no pairing stuff or hints involved, just fan preception as usual and just applying it. I mean naruto has attributes to both parents but in all honesty who has naruto been compared to more? Who does he aspire to be like? Minato. Naruto has been compared to Kushina a couple times but from her own limited background who does she tend to represent more? Sakura. Ns is still there, the parallel is still there too. Ns is still mk related. Fans just going overboard again. I mean the main deal is, well no hinata no nh moment, so how exactly does this make their case? I even put a long ass post explaining how the arguement of this being something to help nh and hurt ns didn't make any sense because there is no arguement nh has for parallels if those parallels don't exist or have yet to be proven. Geez this was just a simple moment of minato reflecting on how he used to fight with Kushina an people turn it to pairing evidence again, it's not. If anything it's just more family love theme ps being shown here. This doesn't even help nh case development wise, it's funny cause now they would be depending on a parallel they said makes no difference compared to recent chapters and still has hardly anything. Ns still around in the foreseeable future, just takes time.

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 05:36 PM

Rather its not referring to anything pairing wise, if anything minato was describing how it was familiar as he used to fight alongside Kushina. Minato was basically stating how fighting alongside naruto was like how he used to team up with Kushina in their fights. Rather theres no pairing stuff or hints involved, just fan preception as usual and just applying it. I mean naruto has attributes to both parents but in all honesty who has naruto been compared to more? Who does he aspire to be like? Minato. Naruto has been compared to Kushina a couple times but from her own limited background who does she tend to represent more? Sakura. Ns is still there, the parallel is still there too. Ns is still mk related. Fans just going overboard again. I mean the main deal is, well no hinata no nh moment, so how exactly does this make their case? I even put a long ass post explaining how the arguement of this being something to help nh and hurt ns didn't make any sense because there is no arguement nh has for parallels if those parallels don't exist or have yet to be proven. Geez this was just a simple moment of minato reflecting on how he used to fight with Kushina an people turn it to pairing evidence again, it's not. If anything it's just more family love theme ps being shown here. This doesn't even help nh case development wise, it's funny cause now they would be depending on a parallel they said makes no difference compared to recent chapters and still has hardly anything. Ns still around in the foreseeable future, just takes time.

Usually I'm not one to knock down the moments that other pairings feel are theirs, like the whole hand holding thing, like it or not that's all NH,I won't take that from them, that was a lot of panel space to devote to one person for the chakra transfer, but i digress. In this case I just don't see how this could possibly be a bolstering moment to the parallel for NH,, Naruto has been compared to Minato so many times with like the ghost overlay of Minato over Naruto when he is doing something Minatoesque. Minato himself compared Sakura to Kushina so that parallel is set, Minato would have had to see a HinataxNaruto interaction and say that girl she reminds me of myself for me to think NH has any  correlation with Naruto's parents. In fact I'm pretty sure that its a logical fallacy to make the statement "If Naruto is like Kushina then Hinata must be like Minato" non sequitur I think it's called.


Edited by Masque, 04 September 2013 - 05:45 PM.


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 05:37 PM

No to my knowledge Kishi never said that, I would assume if he had you would have seen it countless times it would have even come up on this board despite the fact that it would be piece of Anti-NS evidence if it were true. With regards to your second comment she would have 100% thrilled I don't even think that is in question, she was madly in love (Infatuated) with him.  So much so that she stayed attached to him for years despite everything he had done so yeah if pre-crazy evil Sasuke had returned her feelings they would be the canon pairing and Sakura would most likely have left with him or he would have still knocked her out and left konoha to spare her following him down his dark path in which case she would have been pining for him even more and NS would be the quintessential side pairing where the nice guy can never win the girl away from the brooding and tortured cool guy with a "heart of gold". 

I see , the girl who made that comment about main male +female was a hard SS shipper who cross tags in the past few days asking random questions in a way that you can get easily pissed . One more of her arguments is that Sasuke didn't accept Sakura's love was that his whole clan was massacred so that's why he is cold and indifferent , but when asked why is he in the respective way about her existence she stops talking/replying  .

Which makes no kittening sense what so ever since the only reason she fell in love with him is because he was cool ...........


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 05:42 PM

I see , the girl who made that comment about main male +female was a hard SS shipper who cross tags in the past few days asking random questions in a way that you can get easily pissed . One more of her arguments is that Sasuke didn't accept Sakura's love was that his whole clan was massacred so that's why he is cold and indifferent , but when asked why is he in the respective way about her existence she stops talking/replying  .

Which makes no kittening sense what so ever since the only reason she fell in love with him is because he was cool ...........

you will have to run that "when asked why....." part by me again I read it like four times but can' t seem to make out what you are trying to say  :P



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Posted 04 September 2013 - 05:53 PM

Rather its not referring to anything pairing wise, if anything minato was describing how it was familiar as he used to fight alongside Kushina. Minato was basically stating how fighting alongside naruto was like how he used to team up with Kushina in their fights. Rather theres no pairing stuff or hints involved, just fan preception as usual and just applying it. I mean naruto has attributes to both parents but in all honesty who has naruto been compared to more? Who does he aspire to be like? Minato. Naruto has been compared to Kushina a couple times but from her own limited background who does she tend to represent more? Sakura. Ns is still there, the parallel is still there too. Ns is still mk related. Fans just going overboard again. I mean the main deal is, well no hinata no nh moment, so how exactly does this make their case? I even put a long ass post explaining how the arguement of this being something to help nh and hurt ns didn't make any sense because there is no arguement nh has for parallels if those parallels don't exist or have yet to be proven. Geez this was just a simple moment of minato reflecting on how he used to fight with Kushina an people turn it to pairing evidence again, it's not. If anything it's just more family love theme ps being shown here. This doesn't even help nh case development wise, it's funny cause now they would be depending on a parallel they said makes no difference compared to recent chapters and still has hardly anything. Ns still around in the foreseeable future, just takes time.

I really don't think it's because on how familiar when Kushina used to fight alongside with him. It's rather the feeling of accomplishing anything that he saw in Naruto that reminded him of that feeling too that Kushina made him feel that way when she was alive which is why he said: " It feels nostalgic ".

 

When they were alive, they probably fought alongside each other. But, here, nothing was told when she used to fight alongside him. It's telling generally that he felt that way cause of Kushina who was always beside him.

 

I agree with what anything else you said in this post.


Edited by T XD, 04 September 2013 - 05:55 PM.


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 05:54 PM

you will have to run that "when asked why....." part by me again I read it like four times but can' t seem to make out what you are trying to say  :P

Oh , sorry for being so silly , didn't see what i wrote ^^, what i meant was , i asked her ''Why Sasuke didn't accept Sakura's love ? She answers ''it was because  that his whole clan was massacred so that's why he is cold and indifferent'' , but when asked ''why does he behave in  the respective/same  way about her existence ,she stopped talking/replying  .


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 05:59 PM

So it seems like the parallel situation is handled. Good, T XD said it best and no matter what, the parallel is still good to go. Too bad for haters. Excuse me, I have a zoo to go to with my family.

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 06:00 PM

I've been lurking around on the Anti NS tags and I've came to she conclusion that from the words written there ,some have lost faith,others are angry and afraid . NS is dead , all of its moment revolves around Sasuke if it happens its because of him ...

Some are claiming that Naruto accepts Sakura's love he supports SS and will make it canon , HInata will get her chance too..

But forget about that ..

 
I've got a couple of  questions:

-Did Kishi ever say that there will be no Main boy X Main female ? Because I'm on the anti tags and came across this also i do remember seeing it elsewhere .

- Do any of you think if Sasuke returned Sakura's feelings before he left aka her confession to him by any chance that she would be thrilled ?

 

1. He never said that.

2. I think she would be confused. Very confused. She wouldn't know what to think or feel. If he was in love with her then, it would make it even worse..that's how you treat your lover. lolz don't forget the apple smacking.

 

And about the recent parallels..

Is MinaxMina canon too?

I also agree with what T XD said. There's a difference between the panel I showed and the one in this chapter. It looks like Naruto is imagining Kushina in his mind in 645(just like what Minato is doing), or it emphazises that she's always with him in some way. Either way I don't think it's a parallel because then Minato's words would've been different too.

 

When I see Naruto, I think more of Minato than Kushina. I agree that he has inherited her rash- and boldness, but that's it. :/ Naruto inherited Minato's legacy and dreams, that means more than his behaviour.

 

And;;; Even if Naruto is paralleled with Kushina, it does not make Hinata the new Minato..at all. :lmao:

 

One more thing; Naruto has been compared to Kushina, but not paralleled to her. Different things, right?


Edited by sushi., 04 September 2013 - 06:07 PM.

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