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[Darth Krypt]

The reason Law saved Luffy is so that he can fight him in the future. He said it would be too boring if Luffy were to die in the Marineford war. Since they're rivals, its inevitable they will cross swords. And harry4e could be right. I can see how Luffy is getting ready to fight Law but Zoro stops him since Law is a sword user so he would be obliged to fight him. I can't wait for a battle between Law and a Haki user, whoever that is.

[Codus N]

The reason Law saved Luffy is so that he can fight him in the future. He said it would be too boring if Luffy were to die in the Marineford war. Since they're rivals, its inevitable they will cross swords. And harry4e could be right. I can see how Luffy is getting ready to fight Law but Zoro stops him since Law is a sword user so he would be obliged to fight him. I can't wait for a battle between Law and a Haki user, whoever that is.

Agreed. I'd like to see what a downright pissed Zoro with Haki looks like. Also, some people on MH are saying if Tashigi and Smoker can't find a ride home since Law destroyed their ships, they'll join the SH crew for a while. That'd be interesting, especially on Tashigi and Zoro's part.

[Darth Krypt]

Agreed. I'd like to see what a downright pissed Zoro with Haki looks like. Also, some people on MH are saying if Tashigi and Smoker can't find a ride home since Law destroyed their ships, they'll join the SH crew for a while. That'd be interesting, especially on Tashigi and Zoro's part.

Hah that'll be really interesting but I really doubt that. I did a bit of thinking and actually realized since Law's devil fruit is so haxed against a normal person, its actually the same level as a logia. In a sense that if you don't have Haki then you're basically fked. But in this case you need Haki in order to defend against the ability rather than having Haki to attack against the ability or a logia.

[Codus N]

Well, I already suspect that Zoro does have a high level of Armor Haki. The guy's a genius at fighting. He learned the Observation Haki by himself and got a head start ahead of Luffy in Haki. I wouldn't be surprised that Mihawk told him about Haki (just the general idea of it) and he figured out the rest on his own.

[Darth Krypt]

Well, I already suspect that Zoro does have a high level of Armor Haki. The guy's a genius at fighting. He learned the Observation Haki by himself and got a head start ahead of Luffy in Haki. I wouldn't be surprised that Mihawk told him about Haki (just the general idea of it) and he figured out the rest on his own.

Plus his observation Haki involves non-living things which were the rubble falling on him. The only examples of people using observation Haki was against a living being. I guess that makes him in a higher level than them.

[Torxe]

Do you think that Law would actually be a match for Zoro in skill alone?

Law's ope ope fruit gives him all the power he needs, I could imagine that he just uses his sword as a large knife not knowing any swordsmanship
(or at least not being a master swordsman). Which we can say Zoro definitely is.

In short:
If Zoro would have the color of armaments Haki, Law would be kittened.

Edited by Torxe, 23 March 2012 - 07:54 PM.

[Phantom_999]

haki??? --Click here to view--

Not all of the characters learned haki, I doubt that law would even benefit from the color of armaments.
At least he hasn't learned the color of observation, otherwise he would have noticed Nami, Chopper, Franky and Sanji before they were able to burst through the door.

Everybody's reaction on the breakout was hilarious though.

No Everyone already has haki just not everyone can awaken it. It's the color of the emperor that can't be learnt

there are other ways to fight a logia than with Haki --Click here to view--

We've seen Law lifting up a ship so maybe he could be able to do the same with water and no matter how strong any of the devil fruit users have become sea water will still weaken them.

Or maybe there's another weakness off smoker that Law can exploit, idk. We'll see next week

But how does he damage smoke?

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So much information in this chapter. Hanyyabal is chief warden and Domino is chief guard and still hot as ever. So what happen to Magellan? The new admiral. I think there's a high chance for that.

We found out the identity of boss who is an alligator centaur. He looks like Brownbeard. Maybe he is Brownbeard. The faces in the scene where they wanted warm clothes was priceless.

We finally have law's fruit name and ability description. Ope ope fruit. Ope is operation in japanese so the description of law's room as an operation room is quite apt. Basically in his room, he can modify anything he wants. He can even change people's bodies by transferring hearts. Well at least Sanji got one of his dreams coming true. Him being in Nami's body would definitely be epic. And it also explained how Bepo can talk. That would mean he can transfer anyone into anything. God his ability is so haxxed! I wonder if Bepo would be in a different body now.

Tashigi also has haki but Smoker said her haki level is not high. That means if you have a good haki ability, you can withstand Law's ability. Sounds logical since you can use the color of armament to protect yourself from being disassembled.

Hmm so in other words Luffy can with stand it then supposedly

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I am hoping it's a battle between Zoro and Law, they are two swords man, and let's face it Tashiga is going to lose to Law, so the Zoro/Tashiga shipper in me wants to see him take revenge. Zoro has shown hints of having high Haki levels so he would be able to counter Law's Devel fruit and it's a battle he needs to win to prove himself the best swordsman in the world.

Err Not really. Well He doesn't USE haki at the very least, but yes his haki potential can be very high. And fighting Law wouldn't prove he's the best swordsman in the world. That only happens when he defeats Mihawk. And I'm STILL waiting for Smoker to get curb stomped

Do you think that Law would actually be a match for Zoro in skill alone?

Law's ope ope fruit gives him all the power he needs, I could imagine that he just uses his sword as a large knife not knowing any swordsmanship
(or at least not being a master swordsman). Which we can say Zoro definitely is.

In short:
If Zoro would have the color of armaments Haki, Law would be kittened.

Huh. Good question. I CAN assume Zoro is the better swordsman, since as you said Law never fought without his Devil fruit powers.

Edited by Phantom_999, 23 March 2012 - 08:13 PM.

[Torxe]

But how does he damage smoke

Dump some seawater on him, I mean if he can lift a ship he should be able to lift water right?
Luffy's ability gets blocked when touches that sea-stone,right so maybe it would do the same with sea water for smoker

EDIT: just remembered that in the pre grand line arc after fighting arlong and luffy was in the water his neck could still be stretched, I wonder how that works.

Edited by Torxe, 23 March 2012 - 08:16 PM.

[Phantom_999]

Water doesn't negate the ability. They just get weak. Crocodile was a special case cause he use sand which gets hard when wet.

[Darth Krypt]

The only time Law was shown to use his sword outside of his ability was when he gave the killing blow to one of the PX in Sabaody.

And fighting Law wouldn't prove he's the best swordsman in the world. That only happens when he defeats Mihawk.

But fighting Mihawk is the final challenge. Before that, Zoro will have to defeat every swordsman he meets if he wants to prove himself worthy for Mihawk. Since he wants to be the best swordsman, he should be able to defeat the others first if not there's no point in challenging Mihawk. That's why every arc he had been fighting swordsmen only. When the Strawhats arrive in Wano country, Zoro is going to have a field day.

Edited by Darth Krypt, 24 March 2012 - 02:22 AM.

[harry4e]

Err Not really. Well He doesn't USE haki at the very least, but yes his haki potential can be very high. And fighting Law wouldn't prove he's the best swordsman in the world. That only happens when he defeats Mihawk. And I'm STILL waiting for Smoker to get curb stomped

Actually I don't think that's true, Zoro has been using Haki for a while now, maybe even before Luffy, I remember his battle with was it Mr 2? (who had the the devil fruit abilty of making his body into steel) Zoro managed to cut him, at the time it was explained as something else but with the ability of Skytopea residents, it's the use of Haki, and when he asked those pirates for directions on the way to the auction house, and they mocked him he used the Kings disposition on the pirates without realising it. (If Releigh had the the three Haki abilities it makes sense that Luffy second in command would also have the ability.) Besides he's been training with Mihawk for two years so even if he didn't know it he no doubt does by now.

[Phantom_999]

The only time Law was shown to use his sword outside of his ability was when he gave the killing blow to one of the PX in Sabaody.



But fighting Mihawk is the final challenge. Before that, Zoro will have to defeat every swordsman he meets if he wants to prove himself worthy for Mihawk. Since he wants to be the best swordsman, he should be able to defeat the others first if not there's no point in challenging Mihawk. That's why every arc he had been fighting swordsmen only. When the Strawhats arrive in Wano country, Zoro is going to have a field day.

Oh I know that, but Harry said and I quote " It's a battle he needs to win to prove himself the best swords man in the world" Not Its a STEPPING STONE to prove himself the best swordsman in the world"

Actually I don't think that's true, Zoro has been using Haki for a while now, maybe even before Luffy, I remember his battle with was it Mr 2? (who had the the devil fruit abilty of making his body into steel) Zoro managed to cut him, at the time it was explained as something else but with the ability of Skytopea residents, it's the use of Haki, and when he asked those pirates for directions on the way to the auction house, and they mocked him he used the Kings disposition on the pirates without realising it. (If Releigh had the the three Haki abilities it makes sense that Luffy second in command would also have the ability.) Besides he's been training with Mihawk for two years so even if he didn't know it he no doubt does by now.

I was under the impression Mihawk was just teaching him swordsmanship. Hmm Oh well what would I know? I haven't read most of the manga any one anyway

[Darth Krypt]

Oh I know that, but Harry said and I quote " It's a battle he needs to win to prove himself the best swords man in the world" Not Its a STEPPING STONE to prove himself the best swordsman in the world"

That's what he meant. He needs to win. If he doesn't how can he be the best swordsman in the world right?

[harry4e]

Oh I know that, but Harry said and I quote " It's a battle he needs to win to prove himself the best swords man in the world" Not Its a STEPPING STONE to prove himself the best swordsman in the world"



I was under the impression Mihawk was just teaching him swordsmanship. Hmm Oh well what would I know? I haven't read most of the manga any one anyway

Isn't that basically the same thing? To prove himself the best he needs to beat the other contenders for the title, Luffy needs to beat Shanks, Big Mamma and his own father to prove himself the best not just Blackbeard who seems to have set himself up to be the final bosss of the manga. for example in Football (Soccer) The best team in the world is Barcelona at the moment, if say Valencia FC beat them in a match it doesn't mean they are the best team in the world just means they beat the best team, now if the beat Barcelona, and become league and Champions league winners then they can claim that title.

As for Mihawk teaching Zoro about Haki, we know he must have been taught something, if Mihawk wants Zoro to surpass him Zoro needs to learn to use Haki as the best swordsman in the world use it, and in the last arc Zoro and Sanji along with Luffy detected Caribou trying to kidnap Shirahoshi, another clue telling us he has had Haki training.

[Torxe]

As for Mihawk teaching Zoro about Haki, we know he must have been taught something, if Mihawk wants Zoro to surpass him Zoro needs to learn to use Haki as the best swordsman in the world use it, and in the last arc Zoro and Sanji along with Luffy detected Caribou trying to kidnap Shirahoshi, another clue telling us he has had Haki training.

I just reread this chapter last night, and now I'm convinced that "the monster 3" all use haki.
And I seriously doubt Luffy's going to fight shanks and if they fight it won't be very seriously.

[Phantom_999]

That's what he meant. He needs to win. If he doesn't how can he be the best swordsman in the world right?

Okay, okay moving on.

Isn't that basically the same thing? To prove himself the best he needs to beat the other contenders for the title, Luffy needs to beat Shanks, Big Mamma and his own father to prove himself the best not just Blackbeard who seems to have set himself up to be the final bosss of the manga. for example in Football (Soccer) The best team in the world is Barcelona at the moment, if say Valencia FC beat them in a match it doesn't mean they are the best team in the world just means they beat the best team, now if the beat Barcelona, and become league and Champions league winners then they can claim that title.

As for Mihawk teaching Zoro about Haki, we know he must have been taught something, if Mihawk wants Zoro to surpass him Zoro needs to learn to use Haki as the best swordsman in the world use it, and in the last arc Zoro and Sanji along with Luffy detected Caribou trying to kidnap Shirahoshi, another clue telling us he has had Haki training.

Well that's true but is Law a renowned swordsman first of all? I so far know that he mainly uses his powers to fight so yeah. Not saying Law isn't badass just haven't seen him actually fight with his sword directly. And You don't NEED to use haki to be the best. Mihawk could just be that good on his own and same can be said for Zoro.

[Darth Krypt]

http://www.mangaread...t/one-piece/662

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I feel real bad for Tashigi. Law was being real harsh there. I guess this will be a large part of Tashigi's development. She will reflect about not being strong enough to even land a single blow on an opponent in the new world. And that monologue about pirates beng pirates. That would amplify her hate for them.

So we finally got to see Law use his sword as a weapon in an one-on-one fight and not just as a big ass surgical knife. And that deflecting of bullets using snow. Seems like he's invincible in his own room.

This M guy seems to be a gas logia. He's allying with Law to conduct some experiments. Probably has something to do with those frozen bodies and the kids. And we get to see the new bounty pictures though Franky, Robin and Chopper's are still the same. There's also no change in their bounties.

Smoker's screwed. Law has his heart, his life is literally in the palm of Law's hand but I think Luffy will not allow him to kill Smoker. Now that the Strawhats are in the same location, all that's left is the confrontation with this M guy and find out what's the deal with this island.

[Codus N]

http://www.mangaread...t/one-piece/662

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I feel real bad for Tashigi. Law was being real harsh there. I guess this will be a large part of Tashigi's development. She will reflect about not being strong enough to even land a single blow on an opponent in the new world. And that monologue about pirates beng pirates. That would amplify her hate for them.

Smoker's screwed. Law has his heart, his life is literally in the palm of Law's hand but I think Luffy will not allow him to kill Smoker. Now that the Strawhats are in the same location, all that's left is the confrontation with this M guy and find out what's the deal with this island.

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Actually, Tashigi's development will be the one that will interest me the most. We know Zoro will definitely be pissed about what happened to her, so seeing how far Zoro will go for her & his pure honesty (in a tsundere way) with her will leave a lot of conflicted feelings for her.

I definitely can't wait to see what Zoro will do once he sees her in that state. And Law better not taunt Zoro about ripping out her heart in front of him otherwise Zoro will go absolutely batsh*t insane.

[Torxe]

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Nice fight, but I still don't know what Law wants to do with Smokers hart and is Smoker dead/dieing now or not?
Next chapter will be interesting, the reunion between Luffy and his rescuer.

[Darth Krypt]

Oh by the way, One Piece is on a break next week so we're gonna have to wait a long time for Law and Luffy confrontation. And also the Harpy Mone has a very interesting design. She has that new nakama feeling to her.