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[Tyrconnell]

'Disrupt the dynamic of the team' is nothing more than silly SasuSaku propaganda. The dynamic of Team 7 is constantly changing anyway, and it has already changed to the point of being dysfunctional (at least between Sasuke and the rest of the team). What they should be saying is tha 'NaruSaku will disrupt the dynamic of SasuSaku' to which my response would be... exactly.

Quite true, as at least 2 of the characters in team 7 are in the journey of personal growth, well 3 if you count Sai

[SilverLily]

Besides, now team dynamics are really skewed, since Sasuke's gone and Sai's joined up. Sasuke is no longer a part of team 7. So therefore, team dynamics don't even seem to be an issue anymore.

[jadenik]

Heres what the team 7 dynamics thing are about, when kakashi first team 7 in 3, he asked them thier goals.
NARUTO- to become hokage
Sasuke-kill itachi, restore the uchiha clan
Sakura- to get sakura
Some people saw this as extreme foreshadowing.

[Silent Shinobi]

To honestly believe that that was how everything is gonna turn out solely based on that is extreme idiocy, IMO. There's some underlying reason most would take a stance like that, and let the 3rd chapter dictate their view on this 328 (soon to be 329) chapter series.

[Tyrconnell]

Heres what the team 7 dynamics thing are about, when kakashi first team 7 in 3, he asked them thier goals.
NARUTO- to become hokage
Sasuke-kill itachi, restore the uchiha clan
Sakura- to get sakura
Some people saw this as extreme foreshadowing.

Well, I'll have to review that scene, but I do seem to recall Sakura yelling out something about how she hated Naruto. Does this still hold as well? And did she ever really say Sasuke's name then?

And while no doubt the acknowledgement still forms part of Naruto's desire for Hokage, it seems that the protecting of others is taking precedence.

[gamerman_007]

Here's my question:

What are these "Team dynamics" people keep talking about? Dynamics as in relationship wise?

[Tyrconnell]

How the team operates together on the personal level, the unofficial role that each takes in the team.

[Silent Shinobi]

And what do dreams and aspirations have to do with roles? Not a heck of a lot. And these roles can't change? Why can't they?

[Mizura]

It's weird how they think that NaruSaku would ruin the team dynamics, while something like oh... Sasuke leaving and nearly killing Naruto along the way would not change anything at all.

Hello? Do they Really expect things to be Exactly as they were before?

Besides, the so-called pre-timeskip SasuSaku dynamic consisted of Sakura trying to do something while Sasuke Ignored her and "never spoke to her" (stated by Sakura herself).

Geez, pre-timeskip, Sasuke and Sakura barely ever interact unless it's Sakura being worried about Sasuke or crying at him. That's not the type of interaction that builds a relationship. Do they imagine say... Yoshino (Shikamaru's mom) to show her love to her husband by crying and yelling at him how sad she is and complaining that he never speaks to her? =\

Angst does not make a relationship. Crying one night is actually incredibly easy. Continuous positive interactions is what makes a relationship. And to those who go "But Sasuke had problems!" Well you think Naruto is better off when he's persecuted by Akatsuki or going KN4? Geez people!

[Tyrconnell]

And what do dreams and aspirations have to do with roles? Not a heck of a lot. And these roles can't change? Why can't they?

Of course roles change, depending upon the personalities, if someone is content on being a follower, only under the direst circumstances will that person take charge. If someone always thinks of himself as the boss, then he will act like it until proven otherwise. In a well run team the roles switch as the situation requires. The softspoken one will be the boss when diplomacy is needed, the fighter will take charge when the enemy springs the ambush, etc.

[Saigokarasu]

Hey guys, I would like to ask you all for a favor. I'm writing a little essay on Chapter 181. What I request is some other essays or posts that contain statements and arguments that blow severe holes in the SasuSaku shippers interpretations of the chapter.

Also, I personally think that Sakura contradicts her willingness to go with Sasuke by threatening to scream to alert the guards if he did not stay, showing she wasn't really willing to go with him let alone help him with his revenge. If anything, it just shows Sakura putting her infatuation in action whereas Sasuke shows no interest for her beyond mere comradeship. It doesn't really prove "her love" for Sasuke.

I also like it when they claim we view Sakura's feelings as a crush. Infatuation is a much better term and more accurate regarding her feelings for Sasuke.


Infatuation: a great, often temporary, and irrational passion for somebody or something

Synonyms include "obsession" and "craze".

When this definition comes to mind, do you honestly believe Sakura's feelings transcended beyond this point?

[jadenik]

Nope, but what the confession,"i love you with all my heart"

[Silent Storm]

Nope, but what the confession,"i love you with all my heart"

it was a translation error

[jadenik]

really? Caude i've seen a lot naruhina/sasusaku fans use it as proof.

[Daniee]

If I remember correctly, she says something more along the lines of "I really like you!"

[Saigokarasu]

If I remember correctly, she says something more along the lines of "I really like you!"

Made a post regarding this.

Sorry. I'm a wee new at this kind of thing.

http://forums.naruto...postcount=16473

[gamerman_007]

So basically, this "Team dynamics" is bull? I didn't know what they even meant by it, and I still thought it it smelled funny.

So what new points does SasuSaku have? I'm curious.

[MagusKyros]

Sakura offered to go with Sasuke because she doesn't want him to go to Orochimaru.

Take it from her perspective, what the hell would you do when a friend of yours is about to betray the village and go join the enemy for power. You would do anything you could to try and persuade them to stop. Even if Sasuke did say "sure, lets go" I doubt Sakura would be willing to go all the way with him. Remember, Sakura is the only member in Team 7 who hasn't suffered, her perfect little world, or whatever was left of it came crashing down when Sasuke left the village. She realized then that not everything will go the way you want it to go.

[jadenik]

Oniraitei told me this," Just because Sasuke talks as if he doesn't care care doesn't mean he's telling the truth. It's a matter of interaptation, I think he's shutting them out. He's forcing himself not to care so he doesn't lose focus on revenge. Inner conflict."
I think he makes a good point, what do you think.

[Silent Shinobi]

I think that if you're actually trying to make a case about something, you need some EVIDENCE. Ino could secretly be a lesbian, but unless I have any actual scenes to suggest that, then I'm just blowing smoke. It's not a matter of interpretation, because difference in interpretation and simple disbelief and blind faith are 2 different things. If I stand by what I WANT to happen just because I WANT it to happen, then I'm just blindly believing in it, not interpreting differently. Give me some sort of scene that would suggest your POV, THEN you can accurately prattle on about interpretation differences.

BTW, Karasu, in your NF post, is that an adaptation of what I said to you in FlashChat?