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[al0eaz]

All of these spoilers seem kind of far-fetched to me to be honest. I think the one with kakashi's sealing being the better one. Since Obito did say something of him still able to be useful. 

[Swagkura]

 

http://naruto.wikia....chi_Susanoo.jpg This looks more yellow to me. Keep in mind I'm going by Manga canon here. If they can change the Kazekage's non-canon blue into canon green, I don't understand why they can't do the same thing for Itachi's Susanoo. Or even Naruto's Rasengan and A's Lightning Armor for that matter.

True, you have a point. It's just usually most of the times I saw his Susanoo, it was always depicted in a dark orange that could be considered as a light red in some instances.

[Otaru]

I don't think its possible for BZ to be Hamura didn't he said that he was created by Kaguya just before Hagoromo and Hamura sealed her ?

 

That's why I would be disappointed. LOL

That would make no sense at all.

Edited by Otaru, 05 August 2014 - 10:18 PM.

[FireFox]

 

That's why I would be disappointed. LOL

That would make no sense at all.

Well there are some cases of retconing done by Kishimoto in the manga usually its done when it comes to the jutsus so it wouldn't be the first time, but yeah  I get what you mean I get so pissed when that happens bc it kinda makes the writing inconsistent but oh well it is what it is I guess .

[FreakySandra1995]

Well, this is apparently the "real" spoiler, but honestly, I'm very suspicious now 

 

 

Spoiler

ナルトはかぐや、黒ゼツ攻撃ナルト ‚ 蹴る。
サスケスライス黒ゼツはその後黒炎 彼を燃やす。
羽衣は秘密のパフォーマンスのシー ƒ を明らかにする。フルパワーで影。
ナルトはかぐやを攻撃する。かぐや 、ナルトの背後に現れる。

サスケは炎リリース矢を撃った。か やは、ポータルに逃げる。!

Edited by FreakySandra1995, 05 August 2014 - 11:13 PM.

[Nate River]

No.
Sasuke will not betray Naruto anymore.
They will clash over different opinions, they will fight out of rivalry, but Sasuke will not betray Naruto like that.

I agree. I'm leaning toward it being at an agreed upon place and time. They can recover and Kishimoto can work in some last minute development with other characters. I still wonder how this will be a fight Sasuke can win...in that he can legitimately claim the title of Hokage. I still think Naruto willingly puts in on the line and legitimizes Sasuke's claim.

[Zoey]

I think the big thing is seeing Kakashi's face. Kishimoto said he would show it and since its such an anticipated moment thats why Evil showed up. 

[luffyq1]

I think the big thing is seeing Kakashi's face. Kishimoto said he would show it and since its such an anticipated moment thats why Evil showed up. 

[Sakura~]

I think the big thing is seeing Kakashi's face. Kishimoto said he would show it and since its such an anticipated moment thats why Evil showed up. 

 

[KnS]

Since a new chapter is about to come out, I figured I would finally post my thoughts about the last one.  Not much here that hasn't been said by others by now....

 

 

As for Obito's death, it was expected and I personally did not find it moving.  Obito was, in my opinion, a jerk when he was a boy and became a murderous terrorist for no sensible reason.  Yes, he saw his undeclared love interest killed by the friend / teammate he entrusted with her life, but he did NOTHING to find out why Kakashi did what he did or how he felt about it.  

 

Instead, Obito went off on a mentally defective -- and, frankly, a poorly explained -- tangent to make everyone pay.  He put an exploding tag on a minutes-old Naruto, killed Kushina, unleashed the Kyubi on the village, and forced Minato to make a terrible choice of splitting the Kyubi’s chakra – sealing half into his son, and sacrificing himself to seal the other half.

 

Obito went on to assist Itachi in the murder of the entire Uchiha clan, except Sasuke.  He killed other nameless, faceless people, used genjutsu to control Yagura.

 

And all of that was BEFORE current events, wherein Obito assisted Madara with the enslavement of every living person through the Infinite Tsukuyomi, since he believed that imposing his will on everyone and limiting their choices and dreams would somehow make up for his personal losses.

 

Just… yuck.  So at the last minute, as his certain death was upon him, he does a few good things.  He dies protecting Naruto, et al., and is greeted in the afterlife by Rin who effectively shrugs off every horrible thing he did by saying he “did his best” despite never becoming Hokage.  

 

It would be one thing if Kishimoto was a Christian or somehow attempting to use Rin’s forgiveness as a metaphor for Christ’s messianic role in absolving human sin, but that’s not likely to be the case.  

 

So what’s the morality lesson here?  Humility at the end of your life is enough to earn absolution for evil deeds?

 

The other thing that bugs me is that Obito regressed to his childhood in death.  It's obvious why Kishimoto did it; he wanted to reunite Obito with Rin and solidify the parallel of the destiny of true love that exists between Naruto and Sakura, and it would be very creepy if a mature Obito walked into the ether with a childhood Rin.  So for that reason Obito had to be shown as a boy to avoid making it sickening.

 

However, that’s incongruous to all the other deaths we've seen.  In all Kishimoto's other treatments, the person who dies or meets a dead person is always the age they are or were.  For example, when Kakashi died and met his father at the campfire, Kakashi was an adult man meeting his father at the age his father was when he died.  When Naruto met Kushina and Minato, he wasn’t an infant but the age he is now – although they were the age they were at their deaths.  

 

But along comes Obito’s death, and he’s regressed when he joins Rin.  It not only shatters the continuity of the rules of encountering the dead, but it cheapens the price Obito needed to pay for his deeds. In my opinion it would have been a much more powerful lesson if, at the point of death, Obito had to wonder if he would be able to see Rin in the afterlife and if she would forgive him for the bad things he had done.  

 

Rin says she has been “watching” Obito, and yet she greets him with open arms?  What was she thinking during all the crap he did?  How could she possibly think he'd done his best?  It's just too simple.  Leaving Obito's reward or reassurance open-ended would have been more satisfying, I think, but it's obviously not Kishimoto's style.  

 

And it’s not just Rin’s reaction that baffles me, but Naruto’s as well.  Obito killed his parents and ruined his life.  Obito single-handedly created Naruto’s lifetime of hurt, loneliness, and struggle, but at the final moment Naruto declares that Obito is the coolest?  Simply because he had once dreamed of being Hokage?  WTF?

 

It is true that Naruto is always living and thinking and feeling in the moment. And he always supports the underdog.  And he always displays the sort of spirit that can forgive outrageous acts.  I mean, even as far back as the fight with Zabuza and Haku -- Haku tried to kill them and nearly killed Sasuke, but Naruto still felt compassion for him and gave Zabuza a righteous speech about love that changed the cold killer's heart.

 

As much as Naruto's forgiving and righteous soul annoys me sometimes, it is consistent that he would overlook everything about Obito and, in the end, choose to instead celebrate the positive things about him and his motivation.  It is THE main quality of Naruto's characterization that makes him super-human (super in the sense of beyond human).  It sets him above all the other characters.

 

Sigh.

 

So… to make a short story long, I was left rather flat as regards Obito's death.  Kishimoto often takes shortcuts that really ring hollow, and this was one of them.  Nevertheless, we might as well prepare ourselves because Sasuke’s redemption is likely to be as bad or worse.

[Chatte]

Well, this is apparently the "real" spoiler, but honestly, I'm very suspicious now 
 
 

Spoiler

ナルトはかぐや、黒ゼツ攻撃ナルト 蹴る。
サスケスライス黒ゼツはその後黒炎 彼を燃やす。
羽衣は秘密のパフォーマンスのシー を明らかにする。フルパワーで影。
ナルトはかぐやを攻撃する。かぐや 、ナルトの背後に現れる。

サスケは炎リリース矢を撃った。か やは、ポータルに逃げる。!

Where is it from?

[Sakura~]

Well, this is apparently the "real" spoiler, but honestly, I'm very suspicious now 
 
 

Spoiler

ナルトはかぐや、黒ゼツ攻撃ナルト ‚ 蹴る。サスケスライス黒ゼツはその後黒炎 彼を燃やす。羽衣は秘密のパフォーマンスのシー ƒ を明らかにする。フルパワーで影。ナルトはかぐやを攻撃する。かぐや 、ナルトの背後に現れる。
サスケは炎リリース矢を撃った。か やは、ポータルに逃げる。!

Can someone translate this please?

[六道仙人]

from 2ch but it's fake... Evil said that one of her spoiler is the real one. The problem is which one....also because she talked about a kitten in this chapter. Someone even pointed that  Hagoromo might be the real evil one here lol

 

I don't think that there will be something related with pairing.

[K9ofChaos]

 

Since a new chapter is about to come out, I figured I would finally post my thoughts about the last one.  Not much here that hasn't been said by others by now....

 

 

As for Obito's death, it was expected and I personally did not find it moving.  Obito was, in my opinion, a jerk when he was a boy and became a murderous terrorist for no sensible reason.  Yes, he saw his undeclared love interest killed by the friend / teammate he entrusted with her life, but he did NOTHING to find out why Kakashi did what he did or how he felt about it.  

 

Instead, Obito went off on a mentally defective -- and, frankly, a poorly explained -- tangent to make everyone pay.  He put an exploding tag on a minutes-old Naruto, killed Kushina, unleashed the Kyubi on the village, and forced Minato to make a terrible choice of splitting the Kyubi’s chakra – sealing half into his son, and sacrificing himself to seal the other half.

 

Obito went on to assist Itachi in the murder of the entire Uchiha clan, except Sasuke.  He killed other nameless, faceless people, used genjutsu to control Yagura.

 

And all of that was BEFORE current events, wherein Obito assisted Madara with the enslavement of every living person through the Infinite Tsukuyomi, since he believed that imposing his will on everyone and limiting their choices and dreams would somehow make up for his personal losses.

 

Just… yuck.  So at the last minute, as his certain death was upon him, he does a few good things.  He dies protecting Naruto, et al., and is greeted in the afterlife by Rin who effectively shrugs off every horrible thing he did by saying he “did his best” despite never becoming Hokage.  

 

It would be one thing if Kishimoto was a Christian or somehow attempting to use Rin’s forgiveness as a metaphor for Christ’s messianic role in absolving human sin, but that’s not likely to be the case.  

 

So what’s the morality lesson here?  Humility at the end of your life is enough to earn absolution for evil deeds?

 

The other thing that bugs me is that Obito regressed to his childhood in death.  It's obvious why Kishimoto did it; he wanted to reunite Obito with Rin and solidify the parallel of the destiny of true love that exists between Naruto and Sakura, and it would be very creepy if a mature Obito walked into the ether with a childhood Rin.  So for that reason Obito had to be shown as a boy to avoid making it sickening.

 

However, that’s incongruous to all the other deaths we've seen.  In all Kishimoto's other treatments, the person who dies or meets a dead person is always the age they are or were.  For example, when Kakashi died and met his father at the campfire, Kakashi was an adult man meeting his father at the age his father was when he died.  When Naruto met Kushina and Minato, he wasn’t an infant but the age he is now – although they were the age they were at their deaths.  

 

But along comes Obito’s death, and he’s regressed when he joins Rin.  It not only shatters the continuity of the rules of encountering the dead, but it cheapens the price Obito needed to pay for his deeds. In my opinion it would have been a much more powerful lesson if, at the point of death, Obito had to wonder if he would be able to see Rin in the afterlife and if she would forgive him for the bad things he had done.  

 

Rin says she has been “watching” Obito, and yet she greets him with open arms?  What was she thinking during all the crap he did?  How could she possibly think he'd done his best?  It's just too simple.  Leaving Obito's reward or reassurance open-ended would have been more satisfying, I think, but it's obviously not Kishimoto's style.  

 

And it’s not just Rin’s reaction that baffles me, but Naruto’s as well.  Obito killed his parents and ruined his life.  Obito single-handedly created Naruto’s lifetime of hurt, loneliness, and struggle, but at the final moment Naruto declares that Obito is the coolest?  Simply because he had once dreamed of being Hokage?  WTF?

 

It is true that Naruto is always living and thinking and feeling in the moment. And he always supports the underdog.  And he always displays the sort of spirit that can forgive outrageous acts.  I mean, even as far back as the fight with Zabuza and Haku -- Haku tried to kill them and nearly killed Sasuke, but Naruto still felt compassion for him and gave Zabuza a righteous speach about love that changed the cold killer's heart.

 

As much as Naruto's forgiving and righteous soul annoys me sometimes, it is consistent that he would overlook everything about Obito and, in the end, choose to instead celebrate the positive things about him and his motivation.  It is THE main quality of Naruto's characterization that makes him super-human.  It sets him above all the other characters.

 

Sigh.

 

So… to make a short story long, I was left rather flat as regards Obito's death.  Kishimoto often takes shortcuts that really ring hollow, and this was one of them.  Nevertheless, we might as well prepare ourselves because Sasuke’s redemption is likely to be as bad or worse.

 

 

What makes Kishi so adamant about giving EVERY villain he creates a sob story that will lead to redemption? What does Kishi see in those psychotic pieces of filth called Uchiha? SOMEONE has to finish the job that Itachi started.

 

On the topic of Evil's spoilers: What if each spoiler contains a clue for the real spoiler? Then again that may be far fetched.

Edited by K9ofChaos, 06 August 2014 - 12:02 AM.

[al0eaz]

from 2ch but it's fake... Evil said that one of her spoiler is the real one. The problem is which one....also because she talked about a sh*tstorm in this chapter. Someone even pointed that  Hagoromo might be the real evil one here lol

 

I don't think that there will be something related with pairing.

Hagoromo as the real villain? I would rather ramen guy be the real villain. At least that would be funny... 

[ramenanmitsu]

Ya I know he has passed the childhood stage, but his ideals and dreams remain the same as ever. That's Naruto 
Where was it mentioned he wanted to bring Obito back? Many chapters ago didn't Naruto say that Obito was on borrowed time. He already knew Obito was going to die. He praised the younger Obito, not the murderer Obito. Again, that's typical Naruto. He sees the best in even bad guys. I don't like that about him too, but its just the way he is. And he never actually said-" I forgive you for every bad thing you have ever done, Obito" .
Sorry if I caused any irritation to you  Lets leave it at this.

I think you misunderstood me. By bringing back, I don't mean bring back to Konoha. I mean bring back to life. Naruto was trying to let Obito live until Obito told him that it's already his time to go. If that wasn't the case, that scene doesn't make sense if it was for extending another few minutes. Maybe, Naruto knew that Obito cannot live longer, but he tried to bring him back.

Black Zetsu was bad mouthing the present Obito. Naruto's anger and words were towards that. It doesn't make sense if Naruto is defending Obito's past because BZ wasn't talking about young Obito. It's more like he was praising Obito in general because of the belief he had in the past.

No, Naruto did not say that he forgives Obito, but his actions imply that he already has. He hasn't said that he has forgiven Sasuke for trying to kill him or committing all those crimes, but the way he interacts with Sasuke already implies that he has. I would agree that he hasn't forgiven Obito if he acted like he did with Nagato. That wasn't the case there.

In either case, regardless of what he said or didn't, his actions weren't taking the villagers or the alliances thoughts into consideration.

No worries, you don't annoy me :) I'm just annoyed with Obito, Naruto, and mostly Kishi.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 06 August 2014 - 12:45 AM.

[Elicit]

No Neji, or Lee.

1) But Gai does show up towards the end, apparently whatever Naruto did to him to save his life enabled him to break out of the pod. He stumbles over to the group of Hokage's at the end looking pretty wrecked but the black stuff is coming off, kind of like charcoal on his skin it just chips away.


2) Yeah, it's great. Nidaime is able to resurrect an Edo version of Madara with the help of Rikudou, and with Madara's help they may be able to move to whatever dimension that Kaguya transported everyone if Rikudou can figure out where that is.

Yondaime thinks he may be able to locate them using the Hiraishin Seal that was integrated into the Kyubi Seal.

3) Sort of.

There is this kind of flashback/remembrance. It's kind of like when Sasuke thought of Itachi, but Kakashi thinks of Rin, Obito, Minato, and his father. It seems like Kishi was trying to show him getting closure with the death of Obito, as now Rin, Obito, and his father has moved on.

He pulls out a scroll and summons a tanto, it looks like the one he used in the Kakashi gaiden, I don't know if it is the actual tanto from the Kakashi gaiden since that one got broken.

Anyway, he tells Naruto and Sasuke he's gonna buy them sometime and actually takes of his mask and puts the grips the tanto with his teeth and then like blitzs the kitten out of Kaguya. Yeah, apparently with the strain of the sharingan gone he can "move" his body better or some such crap. It seems like he can move faster, I dunno, it could be she was just surprised by it.

He uses a nin-kenjutsu style(He attacks with the tanto in his mouth, while also using his free hands to cast ninjutsu) which was probably what his father was known for since we see this kind of overlay of his father on some of his moves, and the chapter ends with "Rebirth of Konoha's White Fang"

4) Thus, the game.

I am going to post the real spoiler at some point, or I have posted the real spoiler already. Maybe I don't even know the spoiler yet, maybe I do, maybe the entire reason that I can do this is because the real spoiler is outrageous and absurd enough that I can get away with it.

And maybe, I'm just Evil...

5) I'm going to keep posting spoilers, and only one of them is real. You get to guess which one that is. In fact, the three previous spoilers count, one of them may actually be true.

6) Here is a real true spoiler!

The Orochimaru we saw get caught by the Tsukuyomi was just a hollow shell, he was able to transform into a sightless snake and slither off and hide. He pops out while the Hokages are discussing with Rikudou about what to do, and if they can somehow assist Naruto and Sasuke.
'
He doesn't have any eyes, it's kinda creepy. There is a flashback to Kabuto's fight with Sasuke and Itachi, and what Orochimaru did is somehow connected to that he also claims that he may be able to contact them through Sasuke, because of the cursed seal which Sasuke once had.

Or something like that.

Probably.

7) So many fake spoilers going around, even 2ch is getting in on it, let’s get one with Kakashi and Obito!

He tells Rin to chill for a bit so he can teleport from the spirit realm to give Kakashi his spirit Sharingan which somehow gives him Sharingan in both eyes? I guess that’s just another power of Obito’s super sharinagn powers. Now that he has both shainrgan though, Kakashi can use Gundam mode(Susanou)!

Joking aside, Kakashi can actually summon a perfect susanou and does so going all big mech mode like Sasuke and Madara had. It’s pretty sweet. That’s really the best part of the chapter. Some other stuff happens like Kaguya starting to turn into a rabbit monster or some kitten, but the whole Kakashi Susanou thing…

Unbelievable, amirite?

8) Yeah but if you wait till tomorrow, you will miss all the crazy stuff.

Because, you see, Kaguya distracts Naruto and Co. to steal Sasuke's Sharinnegan. The arm that they severed is actually still controllable by Kaguya, and while fighting her it gets closer to Sasuke and tears out his Sharinnegan when they aren't paying attention.

It's pretty gruesome.

It also seems doubtful that they can finish the sealing jutsu without it, so it will be interesting to see how Kishi resolves this. Since Sakura is there, maybe they can get the eye back and fix it, or maybe Madara and Co. will arrive and do a transplant of his Rinnegan eyes.

9) It's totes groundbreaking.

The chapter focus' around Sakura, she watches as Sasuke and Naruto struggle to keep up with Kaguya but are slowly losing ground. She remembers something that Tsunade told her and the importance of the medical Ninja and how they must always survive otherwise the whole team falls.

She says she is sorry that she's gonna have to break that rule, and charges at Kaguya and gets impaled, but it doesn't heal because she's practically out of chakra from trying to save Sasuke. However, because she did that she's able to hold Kaguya down for a bit while Naruto and Sasuke prepare to seal her.

10) Ha, nice try Geg.

But you gotta accept all of it, you can't pick what you think is true. It's all true or it's not true at all.

Just like this next spoiler.

Kaguya starts to rapidly age because she's spent so much chakra trying to kill Naruto and Sasuke, however she doesn't have enough chakra left to teleport them back to the Narutoworld. So she attacks Kakashi and sucks out his chakra, causing him to rapidly age and nearly die, and then teleports back to the Narutoworld to get some chakra from the Tree.

The Hokage are surprised by her sudden appearance, and Hagoromo is all like "Mom!". It seems like the next chapter is going to be the Hokage's trying to fight Kaguya.

11) Oh you caught me! That's the real true spoiler, and not this one.

The Hokage's are worried about Sasuke, Naruto, Sakura, and Kakashi. They're not sure where they are and can't seem to sense them, except for Yondaime who seems to have developed some kind of connection to Naruto as a result of the two Kyubi's connecting at the beginning of the arc.

He thinks he might be able to 'fly' to wherever they are, but only he'll be able to go. Nidaime and Shodai each give him an arm to replace the ones that he lost in the fight with Obito, I guess maybe he'll be able to use Mokuton, because he says something about the power of their chakra helping him.

Hagromo says that while he gave all his power to Sasuke and Naruto, he can still help Yondaime locate them because he's also connected to them.

The chapter ends with Minato telling Naruto to wait and that he's coming to help.

12) Because that one is fake, didn't I say so?

The truth is that Sasuke finds himself strangely drawn to Kaguya, and turns on Naruto and Co. Telling them that they should behave, and that Naruto should come join him with "Mother" so they can help rebuild the world and that Hagoromo is the evil one who only wants to create strife.

It appears that she has cast some kind of Genjutsu using her third eye, though I don't remember genjutsu being something that the Byakugan was capable of. Whatever the case, Sasuke is totally enthralled by Kaguya, and Naruto and him face off towards the end of the chapter.

13) What?

No dude, this chapter is action packed.

Naruto and Sasuke join together the two hands that have the sun and moon on them, and summon Susanou Kyubi to fight Kaguya. It has Rinnegan eyes, and the Gudoudama and there is some kind of large intricate seal being formed with the tails.

Naruto tells Sasuke that it's gonna take awhile for Kyubi to finish writing the seal, so they just have to hold on till then. Which Sasuke says is easier said then done, as Kaguya summons the Gedo Mazo and plans on stealing their chakra to replenish her own.

the chapter ends with a staredown.

Image incident



Sorry but that picture is only a half truth, but it is the key to the real spoiler.

You guys might be sol without takL

The truth continues to evade you guys, it's hilarious.
I thought I was being generous, I was initially not going to leave any clues or hints.

14) Yes.
Because one of the spoilers I posted is true, and I could only pull this off with this chapter.

15) kitten, I better add the real spoiler before you compile them all or you guys will be boned.

So, Hagoromo says that he can bring the Hokage's back to life using the tree by having each of them eat one of the various unripe fruits that are sprouting from the tree. However, in doing so they will inadvertently kill one or many of the people that are currently pod peeps, because the fruits represent their life force.

But as Edo tensei they stand no chance against Kaguya, and only by returning to life and full strength will they have a chance. So now they are left to decide whether or not to leave everything up to Sasuke and Naruto, or to sacrifice some for all.

16) What, are you kidding!? Kakashi for 6th Hokage! Naruto can be the 7th.
Hah, I lied.
I won't do that again.
Maybe.

 

This is a compilation of Evil's spoilers. He said that the picture is the key to the real spoiler. So can anyone figure this ouit?

[FireFox]

The real manga page is out  

 

Also      .

[ramenanmitsu]

This is a compilation of Evil's spoilers. He said that the picture is the key to the real spoiler. So can anyone figure this ouit?

That's not a picture. That's a kanji 実. It can mean a lot of things based on how you use it. Some meanings are 'truth', 'fruit', and so on.....

I think this guy is trying to lead us to believe that the new chapter has something to do with the god tree fruit. (number 15.)

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 06 August 2014 - 01:17 AM.

[MoonDrop04]

You know tonight's chapter might be a surprising one but I'm more interested in what's gonna happen in the next couple of chapters instead.

Main reason is because we have all seen kaguya's dimension techniques and what they can do......so now is probably the perfect time that everyone goes back to the real world right? But we can't have just a regular way for them to get back right??

How about if kaguya decided to collapse or destroy the dimensions as a trump card to kill naruto and the rest?? It would be similar to what cell from DBZ did in the cell games basically.

Naruto and Sasuke would sense that she would about to do something really bad and decide to get the others and get the hell out of there. Kaguya emplodes the core dimension and the shockwave starts to catch up to Naruto's group. As they fly away the dimensions start to collapse on each other and they go through each of the dimensions as they run away. With the shockeave only inches away they begin to fear that they aren't going to escape and are doomed......but lucky for them Minato and tobirama appear out of nowhere and tell Naruto's group to hurry and reach them to teleport out of there. They make it at the last second and escape certain death.

Kaguya was still in the dimesions when the explosion occurred but she isn't dead. She would probably come back the same way DBZ cell did after exploding himself but for her it would take a few extra minutes to regenerate. Hagaromo would explain this to the others and tell them to use this time to release everyone from the Infinite tsukiyomi and prepare themselves when she comes back.

Now if that ain't an epic way to escape the dimensions for Kishi to use then I don't know what could trump that lol