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[Gojira]

So is BZ supposed to be Hamura or is it Kaguya's son in more of a jutsu sense?

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Pretty sure its in the sense of say, Franekenstein's monster. Its not a child in the sense that she gave birth to it but something derived from her power, emotions or will. In Japanese Folklore there's this  idea that if someone's feeling, or wish is strong enough it can take on a life of its own and act accordingly. I think BZ is something like that...There's a name for those creature, but I cannot seem to recall it ATM...

 

I can't comment on Arcee since my knowledge of the original versions is so faded, but it's not transformers if Starscream is not betraying Megatron. It happens it virtually even iteration (except rescue bots). It should be a mandatory requirement for every single movie. It's just not transformer it that's not happening every fifteen seconds.

Yet another major flub on their part. The comics that tie into the movie fixed that issue, but you're right- for Someone who claimed to be a fan of transformers Bay certainly overlooked that aspect. There is some grumbling on Starscream's part but that's about it, completely unworthy of his notorious backstabbing ways. It feels very much that they decided "looking cool" was more important then a good, cohesive story line. In order to really understand most of it you had to read the comics...

As for Arcee, again--female transformers either don't exist, are hardly portrayed or completely funked up in the head- my only complaint about Bay regarding Arcee was including her to begin with if he was going to blow her up before she even finished TWO lines. I mean really, it was a complete waste. She doesn't really even do anything worthwhile. she's there and BOOM. 

To me it was just insulting given how much of a short stick female fan's have been given throughout the creation of Transformers. Thankfully the 2012 TV series fixed my booboo's. Arcee was given great treatment but what really sold it was Steven Blum as Starscream. That voice acting...A+++
 

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 29 June 2014 - 05:57 AM.

[luffyq1]

Pretty sure its in the sense of say, Franekenstein's monster. Its not a child in the sense that she gave birth to it but something derived from her power, emotions or will. In Japanese Folklore there's this  idea that if someone's feeling, or wish is strong enough it can take on a life of its own and act accordingly. I think BZ is something like that...There's a name for those creature, but I cannot seem to recall it ATM...

 

Yet another major flub on their part. The comics that tie into the movie fixed that issue, but you're right- for Someone who claimed to be a fan of transformers Bay certainly overlooked that aspect. There is some grumbling on Starscream's part but that's about it, completely unworthy of his notorious backstabbing ways. It feels very much that they decided "looking cool" was more important then a good, cohesive story line. In order to really understand most of it you had to read the comics...

As for Arcee, again--female transformers either don't exist, are hardly portrayed or completely funked up in the head- my only complaint about Bay regarding Arcee was including her to begin with if he was going to blow her up before she even finished TWO lines. I mean really, it was a complete waste. She doesn't really even do anything worthwhile. she's there and BOOM. 

To me it was just insulting given how much of a short stick female fan's have been given throughout the creation of Transformers. Thankfully the 2012 TV series fixed my booboo's. Arcee was given great treatment but what really sold it was Steven Blum as Starscream. That voice acting...A+++
 

I loved Arcee in that series. Is it weird that I ship her with Jack? Their baby would be a tricycle with a deformed human face.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

I loved Arcee in that series. Is it weird that I ship her with Jack? Their baby would be a tricycle with a deformed human face.

OH LORD I DID NOT NEED THAT IN MY HEAD BEFORE BED TIME. 

Their flirting was pretty cutesy tho...Jack's mom crushing on Optimus was just as hilarious. She put high heels on for him--now that's true love right there. 

 

[TouKen4Life3g]

So is BZ supposed to be Hamura or is it Kaguya's son in more of a jutsu sense?

I don't think it's the first because she hates both of them and want them dead. It's probably the latter. This reminds me of FMA the first animated series.

[Gojira]

Hopefully something interesting happens this time.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Hopefully something interesting happens this time.

My gut feeling tells me it will. Then again, maybe it's because it's the beginning of July. Many events is going to happen for me, including this. I mean wow, so many good things are about to happen. Ok, this could be me only, but I just got a good feeling. Out with June, in with July. Time to engage the Big Bang.

[Gojira]

I miss when Obito was the villain, he atleast had something to say. With Kaguya it's just sort of an odd mood swing after another.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I miss when Obito was the villain, he atleast had something to say. With Kaguya it's just sort of an odd mood swing after another.

Speaking of him, I wonder what's going to be like with him around as a partner. It's going to be different concerning the situation. I want to see how Obito works out with Naruto.

[only Naruto]

 

 This chapter is kinda really disappointing. It kind of just perfectly summed up all of the things I've been disappointed about since Sasuke's reappearance and with recent development.

 

I tried. I really tried, but I couldn't laugh for this like I did when Naruto did the Sennin Goroshi up Beast Gaara's rear end. In any other context or situation, perhaps I would laugh just at the plain absurdity of it and for how nostalgic it is that of course Naruto would think of something like that, but for some reason, the timing of this one couldn't be worse (for me). 

 

Disregarding the fact that Kaguya actually did get stunned enough to allow Naruto to land a hit, but as a couple of you already mentioned, the character developments of each individual member of Team 7 has been incredibly disappointing recently. 

 

I mean sure, Sasuke is "back", which makes Team 7 "whole" again. (altho he can get eaten by a Hollow in that dimension for all I care lol). Sure, the reappearance of Reverse Harem no Jutsu brings back the more light-hearted tones of Part I and the unchanging, lovable characteristics of Naruto. And sure, with the power of teamwork, they are somehow supposed to bring this (hopefully) last Big Bad, whom possesses the power of a god in her own right and has gone through so many changes and power upgrades since the war first started, down. (Seriously, how is Kishi planning on plausibly bringing this outrageously powerful god down without pulling a Deus Ex Machina out from Doraemon's magic pocket?)   

 

But where does that leave the rest of Team 7? Just as soon as Sakura had resolved herself to finally make a difference, Kishi has to go and push her back to being a spectator once again, before she even gets to do ANYTHING. Kakashi is sidelined and is probably almost all out of fuel by now. The only technique and plan that Naruto has come up with is this ridiculously out of place jutsu that was dubbed "that" technique eons ago, in which we all thought was going to be the ace up his sleeve that would show for his three year training trip. Like seriously? This is the technique that you've been working on more than the Rasengan?    (It's also a possibility that "that" technique may genuinely be another actual technique, but that remains to be seen). Then, Sasuke pretty much orders Naruto coolly to "cooperate" with his tactic, which would have probably worked out wonderfully since Kishi loves him so much, had it not been for Kaguya pulling him into another dimension.

 

And now, they're left in the situation where once again, Naruto and Sakura (and Kakashi) need to "reach" Sasuke and save him or whatever. Meaning, Sasuke once again becomes their focus.

 

  I may be overreacting or I might have been in a skeptical mood when I first read the chapter, who knows. But the fact of the matter is, it is increasingly harder to deny that Kishi would love for Sasuke to just jump out of the pages and make love to him eight ways to Sunday. I mean, I know that was always true, but it's starting to be unbearable. The only thing I liked in this chapter is the incredibly Naruto, yet wise line that Naruto dropped when he revived Obito.

 

After reading the chapter, I immediately wanted to come here to see what everyone thought, and its already made me feel a lot better after reading up on all the different perspectives everyone has, but I just wanted to kinda get this off my chest amongst respected shipmates.

 

I agree that the castle in the back is suspiciously important. I also agree with the overall consensus that Sakura's questions about Sasuke aren't really relevant to anything pairing-related. In fact, I don't think it was really relevant to anything in that chapter, she could have not said that and it would have made no difference at all. So, I don't know why Kishi even bothered to make her say that, other than to give some people another opportunity to jump to conclusions and to give others another reason to dislike Sakura for her seemingly lack of growth. I just hope that Sakura can somehow break out of the current state of things and show to everyone that she's not gonna take being put in the backdrop any longer (because I certainly can't take it anymore). Then, maybe in the future, Naruto and Sakura can be transported somewhere together to live in a castle on their own...   

 

Also, I'm sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes with this, because that was definitely not my intention, I just needed to vent to and with people who might be of like-mind. lol and sorry for the length. I don't always contribute to discussions, but when I do, I always drop an essay. 

 

long post and a nice one . i think i know why that some people here are annoyed with events in the manga.if its story line or pairing things  specially pairing ship..because they are living the naruto manga and its not completed yet. ..which is different from reading/ watching along manga after its completed. like inuyasha i can tell that 90% of the members here watched inuyasha after its completed .and they are happy about it .and they complain about naruto cause it takes a long time .i mean which one is easier to watch inuyasha in 20 days or to wait naruto 14 years and u still didnt get anything yet .so its normal to be angry ..

 

as for the harem jutsu .at least its better than anything sasuke made to kaguya.till this moment.i mean naruto hit her sasuke did what ?.but i agree that he should show some real interesting jutsu for naruto .and i think he waits till naruto gets the other kurama and the bijus so i think we should wait and see .

 

and for the narusaku .its simple . if u look at every anti NS moment alone and make it as the end game .sure u will be disappointed .i mean look at 469 .if u look at alone its confusing and its a huge turn point for me . its either was made  to help NS becoming canon or it was made to end it . .i can now say that it was to help NS why? because 1st sakura actually accepted the idea to be in love with naruto(even if she wasnt loving him at the moment she said it  she was ready to be with him and that is i a big hint)   and she was ready to become his girlfriend if he accepted (and am glad he didnt cause it would be forced love ) 2nd is that we have 504  631 and 663 .all of them after 469.and the most important is that ss is nearly dead.or already dead we are just waitting for sakura chan to ask her self why she loved sasuke .or to say that she is falling in love///already is with naruto.. and sakura begun to look at naruto in different way after 469 and after 484  specially after his speech with sasuke . .she sees him as a great man and now she knows that this man loves her.

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and i might be wrong  but.thats how i see it now.. and if anyone disagree please correct me 

[only Naruto]

So is BZ supposed to be Hamura or is it Kaguya's son in more of a jutsu sense?

that is whats  on my mind too  . i dont know either but most likely its a kaguyas son  in a jutsu sense  ..and i dont know if hamura was just to be told as a story or he will have a huge impact soon?

[Gojira]

I'm still kind of confused what's on Kishi's mind right now, he says he wants to end the story conclusively then he brings in a subplot where 2 characters are destined to continue waging war on each other in reincarnated forms.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'm still kind of confused what's on Kishi's mind right now, he says he wants to end the story conclusively then he brings in a subplot where 2 characters are destined to continue waging war on each other in reincarnated forms.

I think that element is trying to say how difficult would it be for them to make peace if the reincarnated guys didn't even do it too. Just add more difficulty to the part.

[rocci]

@pepsi
The goal is to create harmony (peace/order) of two opposite force, not chaos(disorder). I think.

[Gojira]

But what's stopping the future reincarnations from causing a ruccus?

[FireFox]

But what's stopping the future reincarnations from causing a ruccus?

After they settled their issues there would be no more reincarnations its because their previous reincarnations died without making a peace between each other settle their differences they kept coming back Naruto and Sasuke are supposed to prevent that from happening again this is how this whole reincarnation thing works .  

[Gojira]

Didn't Madara and Hashirama settle their differences and that didn't seem to work for long.

 

Or do they have to die after making peace with each other?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Didn't Madara and Hashirama settle their differences and that didn't seem to work for long.
 
Or do they have to die after making peace with each other?

Hashirama failed when he did kill Madara. That was the ultimate challenge for him to settle it in a right way. Madara had nothing to lose, so it made all so difficult. When Hashirama stabbed him, Madara pretty much tell him what God would say: you failed.

[Gojira]

correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Madara cheat death that day? So does that really count?

[Otaru]

Ok understandable, he likes to portray a realistic character. Makes sense. There's no such thing as a perfect person/character.

 

My problem with what Kishi's doing with Sakura. He gives her one amazing moment, where she shows how much she evolved, how stronger she became, how smart she is, how matured she is etc. but for a reason I really don't know after showing us how awesome Sakura can be and is. He acts like he forgot how awesome Sakura is.

 

For example. In the Kage summit ark, she was the smart one, she was the one that showed how matured she was compared to Naruto. She understood that the only way to end this is to kill Sasuke, remember Naruto almost had a heart attack when he found out his boyfriend was going to die.

And then for no reason when she finally gets her chance to get rid of Sasuke, she stops in order to think about her feelings for the old Sasuke. Sasuke takes advantage of this and goes for the kill, while Sakura does nothing to stop him, she effectively was reduced to be a damsel in distress that needed Naruto to save her. Not going to lie here, loved the moment Naruto saved her. But still.

 

Recent example the Juubi mini clones. After defeating 40 or 50 of those things by herself, at the end of the chapter she can't take care of two of those creatures. And she needs Sasuke and Naruto to come to the rescue. Why? And then for the following chapters she returns to be the medic.

 

Why can't Kishimoto give her a good moment and then continue to give her good moments? And of course once in a while you give her a bad moment. In order to balance things.

When you write a story, you have to have a balance. Kishi's balance with Sakura's character is 20% Success and 80% Failure.

I've already said this. I love Sakura, and I will always defend her. But I will not defend Kishi for what is doing with her.

 

Well it's not just Sakura. He's doing the same with his other characters too. He's doing the same with Naruto for example.

Sometimes Naruto seems to be a crack, and the time after he does something dumb. It's not the case everytime, but it's often the case.

I think Kishi just doesn't want his characters to be perfect because the manga is not done and they need to grow more 'til the end. IMO.

If characters had no flaws, then there would be nothing to evolve from.

 

Naruto had a seizure because of what Sakura has done, what Sai said, what Gaara said, and before everyone, what Tobi said. It was a lot too much for him, and saying it was because of his "boyfriend" Sasuke is exaggerated and caricatural IMO. It's true it was about Sasuke, but not alone. Naruto has been affected by Sakura's actions, by the truth coming from Tobi's mouth, by the fact that Gaara was against his opinion (because Naruto was not OK at all with what Gaara told him).

 

About Sakura, IMO, it's because he wants to make her evolve from Sasuke.

 

That time when she couldn't kill Sasuke... what you are saying makes me think you wanted her to kill him for real. That would have destroyed her character completely. Honestly. As an author, Kishi just couldn't do that. Naruto is saving her because Naruto is supposed to. All the story is about that. Naruto is supposed to save everything, and saving Sakura from Sasuke is a part of it.

 

IMO, that time with the two mini juubi, it was not that she couldn't have defeated them, she just didn't see them already. It was to build a team7 cooperation small moment, that's all. Nostalgia. The purpose at that time was not to downgrade Sakura. It was nostalgia and small team7 interaction. Again, what's wrong with being a medic ? I really don't understand. It's always presented like it's something downgrading. I'm happy she became a medic that good. I love when she fights too, but I think she was badass saving Naruto, even more badass than that time when she defeated Sasori with Chiyo.

 

I think you are disappointed because you prefer the fighting Sakura. And because of that, you think Kishimoto is doing bad with her character.
Where are the 80% failure ? 80% failure ? Really ? I don't see this. I see a normal girl that succeeded to almost attain the Hokage's level all by herself. Also, the manga is not ended yet. Sakura will evolve more obviously.

Edited by Otaru, 29 June 2014 - 11:56 PM.