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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

His desire to be hokage like other things was meant to evolve over the course of the story.
 
when it started it was I want to be hokage because hokages are the most recognized and respected people in the village, thusly if I become hokage people will recognize and respect me.
 
a childs dream and the dream of a child who has always been dismissed or hated.
 
it soon evolved to I want to protect everyone thanks to Haku and Gaara where he fought for others and learned the cost of doing so.
 
and Lastly hes learned of the Hard choices he will have to make when hes hokage thanks to Itachi and Gaara the fact he will have to send people to war, or on missions where they may die, or he will have to declare a friend a missing nin and a threat.

In my opinion his dream hasnt developed.
First off he doesnt need to be hokage to protect his friends and hokage with protecting his friends were never linked with.
What happened over the course of the story is that he got new objectives, protect friends, keep promises, Save Sasuke(x999) with the latter being an obstacle to achieve this position (cant be kage if i cant save a friend) XDDDD.

Then this whole thing is bought up again at the end of the manga, with Itachi philosophizing "that the ones that become kage is the ones who are acknowledged".
Naruto gets the message and is going to face against Sasuke who as another vision.
Because if Naruto and Sasuke would fight at that moment without Kishimoto "developing" hokage,Naruto would have to reason against Sasuke who looks like a 10yr kid raging at Live.

Personaly i think Naruto's objectives kinda suck, mostly because he didnt moved the plot, actually the plot moved him, the only arc where he moved the plot was on the begining with the whole jinchuuriki thing after that it went downhill with his objectives on the background while he had to search for Sasuke and ignore akatsuki and the jinchuurikis being hunted down.

"BRING BACK MUH CLAN AND I'LL STAHP!!! XDDDDD".

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 June 2014 - 07:43 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

One weird theory I had is is what if the Gedo Mazo was Kaguya?

I know it is a stretch, but what if Kaguya became the Ten-Tailed beast somehow and that what the Sage had to fight

Well, that could explain why the beast just went rampage after a while. Maybe. But how and why.

[rocci]

You made me remember why I endure this series.

Congratulation, you're a true ninja.

@james
I have two theory about juubi origin.
1. Just like you, juubi is kaguya. How can she became juubi, because she absorb too much natural energy, instead become a tree, she become a monster.

2. This's more fanfic, naruto is a post apocalyp world, when a man evolve to have the ability to feel and control chakra. His body can cure cancer and aids. His eye can store all wisdom of the world. He's feared by the world. Thus they deem to exterminate him. Fast forward, he end by absorb too much natural energy and he bring down the moon to crush earth. And he is dead and become a tree. Kaguya eat the fruit and gaining the knowledge and try to create the second moon. But failed, instead turning to juubi.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Congratulation, you're a true ninja.

@james
I have two theory about juubi origin.
1. Just like you, juubi is kaguya. How can she became juubi, because she absorb too much natural energy, instead become a tree, she become a monster.

2. This's more fanfic, naruto is a post apocalyp world, when a man evolve to have the ability to feel and control chakra. His body can cure cancer and aids. His eye can store all wisdom of the world. He's feared by the world. Thus they deem to exterminate him. Fast forward, he end by absorb too much natural energy and he bring down the moon to crush earth. And he is dead and become a tree. Kaguya eat the fruit and gaining the knowledge and try to create the second moon. But failed, instead turning to juubi.

Thank you.

You know, I'm still wondering about that death reaper jutsu guy. I mean it does resemble Kaguya's family line. We'll see.

[rocci]

Thank you.

You know, I'm still wondering about that death reaper jutsu guy. I mean it does resemble Kaguya's family line. We'll see.

Death reaper is kaguya herself or hagoromo brother turn into a being to seal juubi in hagoromo or her husband

[Dkey]

One weird theory I had is is what if the Gedo Mazo was Kaguya?

I know it is a stretch, but what if Kaguya became the Ten-Tailed beast somehow and that what the Sage had to fight

I felt the same when kaguya started talking with madara. But I think thwy still are seperate. Like the juubi being a form of child of the world tree or the world tree became the juubi because of kaguya

[harry4e]

One weird theory I had is is what if the Gedo Mazo was Kaguya?

I know it is a stretch, but what if Kaguya became the Ten-Tailed beast somehow and that what the Sage had to fight

 

It's not that wierd, I've considered the same possability, She did eat the seed from the tree, and if the seed took over her mind she could have become the ten tails, infact after seeing the way Madara absorbed the Tree. It's entirely possible that how the Jinchuriki's turn into the Bijuu when they go full tailed mode, the Seed inside Kaguya grew and turned her into a Jinchuriki.

 

There has been on sticking point that stayed with me ever since Madara revealed the original backstary in 646, what was the ten tails doing for the twenty or so years between Kaguya eating the seed and the Sage defeating it? Was it on a rampage for all those years? It seems highly unlikely, we've seen what it's capable of doing, humanity had no chance against it.

[Nostradamus]

 

Yeahh I don't see that happening, like in Harry Potter fandom, fans still rage about Harry/Hermione not being canon, even though it was obvious from the first book, it was always planned as Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny. The Naruto fandom has even more reason to rage here because Kishi keeps on teasing certain pairings, SasuSaku, NaruSaku, SasuKari, and NaruSaku, Kishi likes to tease each of the fandoms. Even if you think the fandom has been killed off you can never be certain, look at SasuKari, Kishi literally put a lightning bolt through that pairing, and now look at it, it appears to be the strongest pairing for Sasuke.

 

SasuSaku will only happen if Kishi wants it to happen, not because he has shown in the manga why it should happen, or show it makes sense, I've read/watched stories in the past where certain pairing hapen just because the creater wanted it to happen, yet they never showed why that pairing ever made sense in the first place.

 

LOL Sue Kishi for not complying to the preconception of the person reading his manga...oh that's hilarious. As long as Kishi shows us why the NS pairing makes sense, which he has done all the way through, then they don't have reason to complain and curse the creater, but humans don't work that way, specially fanboys/girls, their logic surpasses those of human comprehension.

To be honest I haven't read the Harry Potter books, but I did watch all the movies. And from the movies the end pairing should've been Harry and Hermione. When I saw Harry and Ginny; and Ron and Hermione I was like WTF? 

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

For me, Harry and Ginny didn't make any sense. But I thought Hermione and Ron was already pretty obvious as endgame by the middle of the series.

 

I'm more Harry x Hermione too. They had good chemistry and could've been a good relationship, but they really were just friends.

[James S Cassidy]

Well, that could explain why the beast just went rampage after a while. Maybe. But how and why.

The how can be explained through the fruit...the why? Well...I am still trying to figure why Madara is even doing this in first place as, if really thinking about it, he would be the last person on the planet not in the Tsukuyomi. He would practically be alone without noone to fight and bored out of his mind. Sometimes people do things because they wanted to. I don't know.

I think it would require a few plot elements to be change a little, but it's not like Kishi hasn't change plot elements already and basically put it to the "history messes up sometimes and legends start to fade the facts."

It could be why the Sage made the warning about the Gedo Mazo and such warning about his mother.

[Gravenimage]

Harry and Ginny was a pairing with no development and it feels like Rowling was out of options or maybe she made the pairing for the sake that "Harry is the protagonist and he needs a girlfriend" you can clearly see that before getting together they had rarely said a word to each other in both books and movies. This is why the majority of the fandom believes NH will be canon, they think Kishi will pull a Rowling.

[TouKen4Life3g]

The how can be explained through the fruit...the why? Well...I am still trying to figure why Madara is even doing this in first place as, if really thinking about it, he would be the last person on the planet not in the Tsukuyomi. He would practically be alone without noone to fight and bored out of his mind. Sometimes people do things because they wanted to. I don't know.

I think it would require a few plot elements to be change a little, but it's not like Kishi hasn't change plot elements already and basically put it to the "history messes up sometimes and legends start to fade the facts."

It could be why the Sage made the warning about the Gedo Mazo and such warning about his mother.

Something tells me Kaguya helped Madara to live after Hashirama's final battle with him. Madara probably didn't know what to do when fighting Hashirama, but after that, he probably think one last opportunity and to do the moon eye plan. After all, he wanted peace but he probably lost his way as he continues. Kind of like how one guy wants to see the world in a human body but gone too far by becoming a god and pretty much got sent to nowhere, between Heaven and hell.

[James S Cassidy]

Something tells me Kaguya helped Madara to live after Hashirama's final battle with him. Madara probably didn't know what to do when fighting Hashirama, but after that, he probably think one last opportunity and to do the moon eye plan. After all, he wanted peace but he probably lost his way as he continues. Kind of like how one guy wants to see the world in a human body but gone too far by becoming a god and pretty much got sent to nowhere, between Heaven and hell.

Well if you remember, he was connected to the Gedo Mazo at the end of his life almost like a life support. That's why I think the Gedo Mazo is something we are not expecting.

The problem is, it needed the keys to unlock it which the keys could be the Rinnegan and the blood of the sage of six paths.

[rocci]

What if the stone tablet doesn't write by hagoromo brother(if he doesn't become shinigami). What if the stone tablet purpose is to lead the incarnation of kaguya. It's recipe to make someone perform a mugen tsukoyomi, since the performer is the one who has the capability to become a god like herself.


I don't have any problem with harry pair with Ginny. I mean why the fandom doesn't pair him with cho cang? She's his first love, right?

Edited by rocci, 02 June 2014 - 11:02 PM.

[Gojira]

Harry and Ginny was a pairing with no development and it feels like Rowling was out of options or maybe she made the pairing for the sake that "Harry is the protagonist and he needs a girlfriend" you can clearly see that before getting together they had rarely said a word to each other in both books and movies. This is why the majority of the fandom believes NH will be canon, they think Kishi will pull a Rowling.

I completely forgot she was even a character, when the film ended I had to check back to see that she was Ron's sister. She was so forgettable I literally forgot she was even alive....that's a rarity

[Nostradamus]

Harry and Ginny was a pairing with no development and it feels like Rowling was out of options or maybe she made the pairing for the sake that "Harry is the protagonist and he needs a girlfriend" you can clearly see that before getting together they had rarely said a word to each other in both books and movies. This is why the majority of the fandom believes NH will be canon, they think Kishi will pull a Rowling.

So it wasn't even developed in the books, nice. But did Rowling at least hint to Harry and Ginny?

Edited by Nostradamus, 02 June 2014 - 11:34 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well if you remember, he was connected to the Gedo Mazo at the end of his life almost like a life support. That's why I think the Gedo Mazo is something we are not expecting.

The problem is, it needed the keys to unlock it which the keys could be the Rinnegan and the blood of the sage of six paths.

Yeah, though wonder why it took so long.

[Dkey]

So it wasn't even developed in the books, nice. But did Rowling at least hint to Harry and Ginny?

Rowling a facut varza de bruxelles cu pairingurile in HP. A creat drama unde nu era cazul si harry ginny a fost un fel de NH.

[Nostradamus]

Rowling a facut varza de bruxelles cu pairingurile in HP. A creat drama unde nu era cazul si harry ginny a fost un fel de NH.

Frumos. Am spus mai devreme nu am citit cartile in schimb am vazut filmele si pot sa spun ca in momentul in care am ca Harry se combina cu Ginny am fost surprins. Nu are nici un sens sau logica ce a facut scriitoare cu personajele ei.

Inteleg ca recent a aparut un interviu in care Rowling recunoaste ca a dat-o in bara, nu stiu cat de adevarat e interviul ala. Dar daca e adevarat, e bine macar ca recunoaste ca a dat-o in bara.

Edited by Nostradamus, 03 June 2014 - 12:17 AM.

[Gojira]

To be honest I just think Rowling wanted to make an epilogue with old man Harry with his son and there was nobody else around that was close to his age other than Ginny. Yeah there was Hermoine but it was pretty clear she was setup with Ron for a while every time she was with Harry it was always platonic so it wouldn't really make sense for them to end up together unless Rowling just wanted to a mockery of Ron (though that would kind of make sense since he is the Krillin of the series)

As a sidenote gotta love how NH and SS say parallels can't be used to contradict "actual evidence" (lolvolumecover) and then they back up their arguments by paralleling with characters from other shows (BulmaxVegeta as ofcourse a prime example)