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[Hiraishin]

I will never understand Sakura's love for Sasuke. Just when she was about to kill him, her flashbacks only showed her blushing and adoring Sasuke like a fangirl and then the other was Sasuke thanking her. While I could understand the thank you, I really don't understand why Sakura thinks back to when she was just a fangirl. It just looked so shallow a flashback to look back on. 
 
Love Sakura and everything, but her impression of love is still all over the place.  

Yeah, just goes to show that Sakura's "love" doesn't really make sense, or really has much basis. The flashback of the "thank you" was the only one with substance cause the rest were arbitrary as hell.

[咲耶姫]

I will never understand Sakura's love for Sasuke. Just when she was about to kill him, her flashbacks only showed her blushing and adoring Sasuke like a fangirl and then the other was Sasuke thanking her. While I could understand the thank you, I really don't understand why Sakura thinks back to when she was just a fangirl. It just looked so shallow a flashback to look back on. 

 

Love Sakura and everything, but her impression of love is still all over the place.  

You know I just realized somthing .Maybe this flashback about her fangirling was made on purpose, to show that their bond is not that strong. Because if Kishi would have wanted to show that they are meant for each other, that ther bond was very strong and that they were very close before Sasuke was going hell, he would have show some good flashback like Sasuke protecting her against Zabuza, him starting to talk about his deal with Itachi, Sasuke complmenting her before the chuunin exam about her genjutsu abilities. It was some good moments between them, but irnoically, thoses good moments were never brought back in the manga when it comes to Sakura, only by the fandom when they want to prove that Sasuke had romantic feelings for her since Part 1. 

 

So all in all, I wanted to point out that if at the moment where Sakura tried to kill Sasuke and that she had a flashback remindering her about her feelings for him, if Kishi wanted to show that her feelings for him had to lead her to end up with him, she would have thought about the moments in which Sasuke was close to her, but that's not the case, which show there is no special bond betwen them, no bond to which Saura can hold on. Only her lingering feelings. 

 

I don't knw if I expressed it well enough, but I have a hard time expressing this idea with words. 

Edited by 咲耶姫, 25 May 2014 - 04:16 AM.

[Gojira]

That's why I'm starting to think the love Sai was talking about was the platonic love Kakashi was talking about later on.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know I just realized somthing .Maybe this flashback about her fangirling was made on purpose, to show that their bond is not that strong. Because if Kishi would have wanted to show that they are meant for each other, that ther bond was very strong and that they were very close before Sasuke was going hell, he would have show some good flashback like Sasuke protecting her against Zabuza, him starting to talk about his deal with Itachi, Sasuke complmenting her before the chuunin exam about her genjutsu abilities. It was some good moments between them, but irnoically, thoses good moments were never brought back in the manga when it comes to Sakura, only by the fandom when they want to prove that Sasuke had romantic feelings for her since Part 1. 

 

So all in all, I wanted to point out that if at the moment where Sakura tried to kill Sasuke and that she had a flashback remindering her about her feelings for him, if Kishi wanted to show that her feelings for him had to lead her to end up with him, she would have thought about the moments in which Sasuke was close to her, but that's not the case, which show there is no special bond betwen them, no bond to which Saura can hold on. Only her lingering feelings. 

 

I don't knw if I expressed it well enough, but I have a hard time expressing this idea with words. 

Yeah, that's what I once said. I do wonder if we get the pov from her one day or we supposed to get it but didn't yet.

[Hiraishin]

You know I just realized somthing .Maybe this flashback about her fangirling was made on purpose, to show that their bond is not that strong. Because if Kishi would have wanted to show that they are meant for each other, that ther bond was very strong and that they were very close before Sasuke was going hell, he would have show some good flashback like Sasuke protecting her against Zabuza, him starting to talk about his deal with Itachi, Sasuke complmenting her before the chuunin exam about her genjutsu abilities. It was some good moments between them, but irnoically, thoses good moments were never brought back in the manga when it comes to Sakura, only by the fandom when they want to prove that Sasuke had romantic feelings for her since Part 1. 
 
So all in all, I wanted to point out that if at the moment where Sakura tried to kill Sasuke and that she had a flashback remindering her about her feelings for him, if Kishi wanted to show that her feelings for him had to lead her to end up with him, she would have thought about the moments in which Sasuke was close to her, but that's not the case, which show there is no special bond betwen them, no bond to which Saura can hold on. Only her lingering feelings. 
 
I don't knw if I expressed it well enough, but I have a hard time expressing this idea with words. 

These are pretty much my exact thoughts. There were some nice moments between Sasuke and Sakura, so why not insert those when she's about to kill them? Kishi left them out deliberately, because of what you said.

On an unrelated note, I checked out the summary of 676 on Narutopedia and it says that Sakura was retrieved by both Naruto and Sasuke. Just... What? How do you get that from the chapter at all? I know I shouldn't be surprised by that because the wiki is biased as hell, but it's still amazing how they do this kitten.

The reason I looked it up was because I was curious about what they wrote after I read something by an SS shipper about how Sasuke apparently rushed to Sakura's aid as soon as she was stabbed, and other stuff about the apparent Sasuke -> Sakura in there, and there was a line saying that Naruto and Sasuke saved her 'together.' No. Nooo. Your shipping goggles must be pretty thick that you actually ignore something drawn so clearly on the page and completely make up something that suits your desires. He didn't even look at her once, let alone try to save her.

Excuse the rant. Just needed to get this off my chest. I should be used to this but wow.

Edited by Hiraishin, 25 May 2014 - 05:24 AM.

[JILLNYN]

 

I will never understand Sakura's love for Sasuke. Just when she was about to kill him, her flashbacks only showed her blushing and adoring Sasuke like a fangirl and then the other was Sasuke thanking her. While I could understand the thank you, I really don't understand why Sakura thinks back to when she was just a fangirl. It just looked so shallow a flashback to look back on. 
 
Love Sakura and everything, but her impression of love is still all over the place.

reminded me a book by Erich Fromm  "art of loving" that says the immature love says: "I love you because I need you" and mature love says: "I need you because I love you"

When Sakura tells Sasuke: "although I have friends and family I will feel lonely without you"

That is due to selfishness, she does not know what makes Sasuke happy, is so completely unaware and unable to make it him happy, and what's worse is concerned that she will feel very lonely.

The "love" that has Sakura for him is immature according psychology books of Erich Fromm


Sakura is a different story with Naruto, knows that what makes him happy and care about his happiness that is to become Hokage, she puts Naruto before anything at any cost regardless of whether she will be alone, she shows signs of a deep love

[Gojira]

So when do you guys think that Sakura started favoring Naruto over Sasuke? Whether she knew it or not

[JILLNYN]

For me in question 10 in the Chuunin exams, so I can not say is whether she was aware that she was prioritizing Naruto

[Gojira]

For me in question 10 in the Chuunin exams, so I can not say is whether she was aware that she was prioritizing Naruto

To be fair at the time she was unaware how much Sasuke wanted to continue the exam.

[luffyq1]

To be fair at the time she was unaware how much Sasuke wanted to continue the exam.

Either during the exams or the Sasuke and Sai arc.

[Hiraishin]

To be fair at the time she was unaware how much Sasuke wanted to continue the exam.

Still, she didn't even think about how Sasuke might feel. A far cry from how she was when she was first introduced. 

[luffyq1]

Still, she didn't even think about how Sasuke might feel. A far cry from how she was when she was first introduced. 

And she was fangirl back then in the early stages.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

@Pepsi:

 

No offense Pepsi, but Sai was basically going off what Naruto was insisting. The whole "it's because she loves him" thing was something he grasped from Naruto and then spun to make some sense. Which means Sai meant Sakura loved Sasuke romantically because Naruto was saying that with the belief she loves him romantically.

 

What really annoys me about Sai's explanation is how he's speaking for Sakura and saying she loves Sasuke so much when the only reason he said that was because Naruto did. The "killing him by saving him from darkness" stuff is so stupid to me. I accept it as canon, but why is it that Sai has is to speak for Sakura? Or even Naruto, who insisted during that whole confession Sakura was lying about loving him and that she just loved Sasuke?

 

I'm tired of all these third parties. Kakashi's deduction makes the most sense about Sakura's feelings, but I'd just for once want Sakura to speak for herself about her feelings. For Naruto, for Sasuke, for her confession, everything. The pairings wars about Sakura's feelings is never going to end so long as Sakura's true feelings get kept in the dark. Tbh, it's not much of a surprise 665 is under so much debate. SS fans are never going to accept what Kakashi says until Sakura confirms it herself and breaks that bubble of denial around their head for real.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 25 May 2014 - 07:33 AM.

[narusaku256]

@Pepsi:
 
No offense Pepsi, but Sai was basically going off what Naruto was insisting. The whole "it's because she loves him" thing was something he grasped from Naruto and then spun to make some sense. Which means Sai meant Sakura loved Sasuke romantically because Naruto was saying that with the belief she loves him romantically.
 
What really annoys me about Sai's explanation is how he's speaking for Sakura and saying she loves Sasuke so much when the only reason he said that was because Naruto did. The "killing him by saving him from darkness" stuff is so stupid to me. I accept it as canon, but why is it that Sai has is to speak for Sakura? Or even Naruto, who insisted during that whole confession Sakura was lying about loving him and that she just loved Sasuke?
 
I'm tired of all these third parties. Kakashi's deduction makes the most sense about Sakura's feelings, but I'd just for once want Sakura to speak for herself about her feelings. For Naruto, for Sasuke, for her confession, everything. The pairings wars about Sakura's feelings is never going to end so long as Sakura's true feelings get kept in the dark. Tbh, it's not much of a surprise 665 is under so much debate. SS fans are never going to accept what Kakashi says until Sakura confirms it herself and breaks that bubble of denial around their head for real.

I understand where you are coming from. I agree with all the things said here, but I have a question. What made you think that the interpretation of Sai arose frm Naruto's words during confession? I mean I'm not opposing what you said, but it just made me curious as to what made you look at it from this POV. Can you please explain how you came up with 'Sai's interpretation came from Naruto's words during confession' part?

Edited by narusaku256, 25 May 2014 - 07:50 AM.

[soraandven]

And she was fangirl back then in the early stages.

yeah and its funny that so called ss fans and sakura haters think shes still that same fangirl some even think shes reverted back to her day 1 self and thats just not an insult to the character that is a direct insult to the writer and what has hinata done oh yeah kissed the ground and prayed to her cousin for a good 10 chapters seriously there hate for her is ridiculous anyone who ships ss but hates her at the same time i consider them fake shippers

Edited by soraandven, 25 May 2014 - 08:33 AM.

[FireFox]

You know I just realized somthing .Maybe this flashback about her fangirling was made on purpose, to show that their bond is not that strong. Because if Kishi would have wanted to show that they are meant for each other, that ther bond was very strong and that they were very close before Sasuke was going hell, he would have show some good flashback like Sasuke protecting her against Zabuza, him starting to talk about his deal with Itachi, Sasuke complmenting her before the chuunin exam about her genjutsu abilities. It was some good moments between them, but irnoically, thoses good moments were never brought back in the manga when it comes to Sakura, only by the fandom when they want to prove that Sasuke had romantic feelings for her since Part 1. 

 

So all in all, I wanted to point out that if at the moment where Sakura tried to kill Sasuke and that she had a flashback remindering her about her feelings for him, if Kishi wanted to show that her feelings for him had to lead her to end up with him, she would have thought about the moments in which Sasuke was close to her, but that's not the case, which show there is no special bond betwen them, no bond to which Saura can hold on. Only her lingering feelings. 

 

I don't knw if I expressed it well enough, but I have a hard time expressing this idea with words. 

That's true this was made on purpose by Kishi because it explained the nature of her love for him and how he usually was with her (indifferent)  if you remember Naruto had almost the same flashback after her confession when he was thinking of Sakura "loves" Sasuke  , also that the bond between them wasn't strong/special was already pointed out in her confession to him ("You never speak to me") also the moments you mentioned has nothing to do with why she loved him in the first place plus they do not mean that Sasuke had feelings for her  those were a rare moments of care for a comrade/teammate I think Kishi was pointing this out even then because every good moment was immediately followed up by a negative one that was his pattern and this is what shows that they relationship wasn't that good  or special . 

 

Oh and i almost forgot this but Sasuke wasn't trying to open up to her on purpose  about Itachi then it was more like he lost himself and went down to memory lane in there when he was explaining his avenger thing because he was remembering the pain of that event once he came to his senses he stopped and that was it , besides he didn't tell her anything new then what he already told to Naruto and her on their introduction so i don't see this moment as anything special .   

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 25 May 2014 - 09:54 AM.

[redragon88]

@咲耶姫

 

Funny enough it was actually Karin that got a touching flashback regarding her feelings for Sasuke.

 

So much for Sakura's "deep love" of Sasuke.

[TsukiChan ♥]

I never did like how we got an NH moment instead of NS moment when Naruto arrived on the battlefield, or when the reinforcements arrived later.

 

Well at least Hinata's gone until who knows what, which leaves a lot of time for NS moments. Me either btw

[TheFirstEvil100]

What I do find funny is that Hinata will so be dreaming of Naruto I mean come, even if Team 7 save the day Hinata will not want to come out of her dream world. As that is the only place in which she will be with Naruto and I think that we all know that, we all know that is what we would see from Hinata and all her fans that are so in love with her will just say her dreams are NH moments as well.

 

The others are much harder to tell at this point in time, but funny as Sakura is the last girl on the Planet making her the most powerful girl when you think about it lol.

 

Anyway if there is one person that can help out right now than that would be Piccolo he can just blast the moon. 

 

Piccolo: Take that Moon perfect orbit my as* 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

reminded me a book by Erich Fromm  "art of loving" that says the immature love says: "I love you because I need you" and mature love says: "I need you because I love you"

When Sakura tells Sasuke: "although I have friends and family I will feel lonely without you"

That is due to selfishness, she does not know what makes Sasuke happy, is so completely unaware and unable to make it him happy, and what's worse is concerned that she will feel very lonely.

The "love" that has Sakura for him is immature according psychology books of Erich Fromm


Sakura is a different story with Naruto, knows that what makes him happy and care about his happiness that is to become Hokage, she puts Naruto before anything at any cost regardless of whether she will be alone, she shows signs of a deep love

I hate to be the opposition but i think it's going to be a LAP.
First off things arent black and white and Sakura's feelings either if they are still romantic or not, i dont think they are immature anymore.
I remember when i said that Sakura tried to leave Naruto behind during her confession for Sasuke the argument that she was 12 years old and could not be judged because of this, if it's that so the argument here would be the same, Sakura was a girl and it was normal for her to be immature and she was immature on other moments too like the POAL and etc...

Now here comes the second part the "Nature of Sakura's feelings", Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are questionable currently if they are still on romantic nature, during various moments like the confession when she tried to kill Sasuke and when she still wanted to save Sasuke from darkness those alone already indicate that her love for Sasuke are not selfish anymore but however, nothing indicates that the nature of her feelings for Sasuke are still romantic.

As for her feelings for Naruto, it's certain they arent romantic in nature, as it was indicated on the confession when it was proved that "she loving Naruto romantically" was proved to be false, and her thoughts about Naruto doesnt indicated romance, like as an example during the CPR on which if it was to indicate romantic feelings the correct flashbacks were to be her moments wiht Naruto not something about hokage.
On which pass the indicative that her love is nothing of romantic yet.
As for "puts Naruto before anything at any cost regardless of whether she will be alone, she shows signs of a deep love".
It's no different than the love Neji, Kushina, Tsunade and other characters showed towards Naruto, excluding Hinata because it was shown to be of romantic nature "if it's stronger or weaker" not the point of this post and that never showed her cherishing Naruto's goals.

As to finish, i dont think Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are selfish because if it remained as it is, there's no explanation about why she wants to save Sasuke or even wanting to kill him, regardless the questionable fact is that if it's still of romantic nature or not and as for Naruto, they arent of romantic nature because Sakura didnt give hints it might be that.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 25 May 2014 - 02:36 PM.