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[redrose3443]

Didn't Kishi say he would write about Sakura, after he finished writing about Kakashi, back when Sasuke was about to kill his brother? Cause Kakashi's past is almost over, only what happens to Obito needs to be cleared. Also, even if Sakura's feelings don't get resolved in the genjutsu, some development should most likely happen. I mean, isn't this the first time, besides Itachi, that Sakura was put under a genjutsu by an enemy?

[Nic]

I don't think Sakura will be able to break out of Tsukuyomi atleast not on her own. because skilled or not that would be kind of a major asspull

 

Also judging from Kakashi's words she's already aware that she's no longer in love with Sasuke

I wouldn't say she's aware that her feelings have changed, that's more Kakashi being able to see it through her much the same way Yamato was about to mention Sakura her true feelings for Naruto.  I still think her feelings will get resolved later.

[redragon88]

I wouldn't say she's aware that her feelings have changed, that's more Kakashi being able to see it through her much the same way Yamato was about to mention Sakura her true feelings for Naruto.  I still think her feelings will get resolved later.

 

Exactly. While Yamato confirmed back in the day that Sakura is developing romantic feelings for Naruto, Kakashi confirms now that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke have become more platonic. It's all buildup to when Sakura finally resolves her feelings.

 

The problem is that Sakura is not consciously aware of those changes in her feelings, therefore the love triangle still stands. Kishi confirmed how Sakura's love plot is going to end, but the process of it is still a mystery.

 

A simplified version would be a story that has a girl (make her a tsundere) who obviously likes a guy, but she keeps denying it despite other people teasing her about her feelings. We know that by the end she'll realize her feelings and will confess, but we don't know how the author will go about it until the time comes to show it.

[redrose3443]

I think we can rule out, Sakura discovering her love for Naruto, when she thinks he's dead, since that plot device has already been semi used. but I do believe flashbacks will be involved.

[Nic]

Or she has and kishi hasn't had her reflect on it yet.

[Gojira]

Exactly. While Yamato confirmed back in the day that Sakura is developing romantic feelings for Naruto, Kakashi confirms now that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke have become more platonic. It's all buildup to when Sakura finally resolves her feelings.
 
The problem is that Sakura is not consciously aware of those changes in her feelings, therefore the love triangle still stands. Kishi confirmed how Sakura's love plot is going to end, but the process of it is still a mystery.
 
A simplified version would be a story that has a girl (make her a tsundere) who obviously likes a guy, but she keeps denying it despite other people teasing her about her feelings. We know that by the end she'll realize her feelings and will confess, but we don't know how the author will go about it until the time comes to show it.

How so? Also the way kakashi put it, it seemed like she was aware of it. How despite the fact that she doesn't love him anymore she still wants to save him because its her duty.

At any rate Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are super confusing and annoying.

These feelings really should have been resolved a long time ago.

Edited by Pepsi, 16 May 2014 - 08:17 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think we can rule out, Sakura discovering her love for Naruto, when she thinks he's dead, since that plot device has already been semi used. but I do believe flashbacks will be involved.

It's new, so let's see how it all goes down. No doubt though that the moment he did with redemption and love interest awaiting for heroes is way too obvious. It's not a one time thing so expect a follow-up.

[Nic]

How so? Also the way kakashi put it, it seemed like she was aware of it. How despite the fact that she doesn't love him anymore she still wants to save him because its her duty.

At any rate Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are super confusing and annoying.

These feelings really should have been resolved a long time ago.

while her motives for changing Sasuke has changed it doesn't necessarily means she knows why that's the case or has reflected on the matter because of it.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Youthful appearance is related to the byakugo. What Tsunade's youth does is hinder her ability to use the byakugo.

Actually it states differently, the youthfull looks doesnt hinder her ability to use the byakugou, she has less chakra for her punch too, it's stated by Sakura.
The byakugou also affects her punch too.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 May 2014 - 08:31 PM.

[redrose3443]

Point blank, Sakura has not surpassed Tsunade, at most she's on par with her. If kishi wants to have a new legendary three, then he is going to need to do something about that by the next volume.

Edited by redrose3443, 16 May 2014 - 08:36 PM.

[Nic]

I would disagree with the assessment that she hasn't surpassed Tsunade.  Kishi already stated that Sakura's byakugo (ability to store up chakra at a much faster rate than Tsunade) was better and if all we're going for is battle experience as a determining factor then we know Kishi really doesn't seem to care about battle experience when it comes to the main characters surpassing their predecessors. Not to mention Sakura has the physical youth going for her.

[redrose3443]

@ Nic

Yeah, but we've only seen Sakura punch the ground once and heal the SA with her seal and that's not even when it's activated. Unless, he's gonna do a Sakura vs.Tsunade fight or give Sakura another ability, we would forever have to argue with people that Sakura has surpassed Tsunade. It has not been shown in the manga that Sakura is better, at most she's equal.

Edited by redrose3443, 16 May 2014 - 08:49 PM.

[luffyq1]

I would disagree with the assessment that she hasn't surpassed Tsunade.  Kishi already stated that Sakura's byakugo (ability to store up chakra at a much faster rate than Tsunade) was better and if all we're going for is battle experience as a determining factor then we know Kishi really doesn't seem to care about battle experience when it comes to the main characters surpassing their predecessors. Not to mention Sakura has the physical youth going for her.

Copying and pasting with minor details between the two. If she surpassed Tsunade, it's definitely not something to write home about.

[Nic]

Just saying I doubt the author at this point when he's showing that Sakura has gained all of her masters ability with some improvements is not making the point that she has surpassed her master when Sasuke and Naruto have far surpassed theirs.   After all, the generation surpassing the old is a popular theme with kishi and if it's going to be any more true it's definitely going to applied to team 7 especially so close to the end of the manga.

[redrose3443]

@ Nic. I know, but when you look at Naruto and Sasuke it's obvious they surpassed their masters, but if you look at Sakura you would need to nit pick and look for little details, just to support the fact that she surpassed her. Basically, like Luffy said, Sakura's abilities are an exact copy of Tsunade's with no real difference, while Naruto and Sasuke have obvious differences that separate them from their masters. The only way for Sakura to beat her's is if she gained Slug Sage Mode or something happened with her genjutsu, like it was foreshadowed at the beginning of part two.

Edited by redrose3443, 16 May 2014 - 09:27 PM.

[redragon88]

Actually it states differently, the youthfull looks doesnt hinder her ability to use the byakugou, she has less chakra for her punch too, it's stated by Sakura.
The byakugou also affects her punch too.

 

Maybe hindering is not the right word. I was just trying to say that the youthful look happens by taking some of the stored chakra from the byakugo.

 

The super strength has nothing to do with the byakugo, at no point has it been stated otherwise.

 

Sakura says that she doesn't need to use "it" to look younger, "it" refers to the diamond seal which has the stored chakra for the byakugo. The super strength comes from the non-stored chakra.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Maybe hindering is not the right word. I was just trying to say that the youthful look happens by taking some of the stored chakra from the byakugo.
 
The super strength has nothing to do with the byakugo, at no point has it been stated otherwise.
 
Sakura says that she doesn't need to use "it" to look younger, "it" refers to the diamond seal which has the stored chakra for the byakugo. The super strength comes from the non-stored chakra.

If her super strenght comes from non-stored chakra why the hell her punch got stronger after she got the byakugou?

Because byakugou alone doesnt enhance her own stats.
The "stored" chakra, i doubt that the byakugou function as a reserve since Tsunade and Sakura can replenish it quickly i prefer to think that the seal increases the chakra capacity the person has, Uzumakis has large chakra reserves without the byakugou, Sakura has large chakra reserves now.

Her punch is chakra + precision, with the byakugou she has more chakra than she had before that's why her punch is stronger.
Tsunade is the same thing but she has less chakra for her punch because she already uses a jutsu.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 May 2014 - 09:11 PM.

[redragon88]

If her super strenght comes from non-stored chakra why the hell her punch got stronger after she got the byakugou?

 

Because she needed to use part of her non-stored chakra in order to start storing chakra to create the seal. She needed to sacrifice the full usage of her chakra for 3 years in order to create the seal. After the seal was done she could once again use her normal chakra (non-stored) to it's full potential which makes her strength rise.

 

I think the reason she can have that level of super strength is thanks to her previous constant need to save up chakra. That probably refined her chakra control to it's full potential. If she hadn't trained to make the byakugo I don't think she could be as powerful as she is today. But that's just my opinion.

[Nate River]

Hashirama did make a mention of her being stronger than Tsunade (strength wise), and her healing capabilities aren't shown to be inferior in any way. And as of this chapter it's shows that Sakura can also release the byakugo to it's full potential, and the byakugo from what I remember is the pinnacle of medic ninjutsu.
 
The implication is clear that Sakura has matched and even surpassed Tsunade a little.
 
Should this be reinforced by showing more panels of Sakura shining in order to bring the fact home? Yes.
Is there a complete absence of evidence to let us ponder if Sakura can match Tsunade? No

This is precisely the problem: Kishimoto is TELLING us that she is stronger, but if people weren't saying it you'd never know. At best you can conclude she is the same. He SHOWS us Naruto and Sasuke. I'd know it even if people never said it. This is not true with Sakura and the fact that her youth is being brought in as a reason should be a clear sign that this is being poorly done (so far).

We shouldn't have to use such weak evidence or hang our hats entirely upon the words of people. I will agree as a matter of canon Sakura has surpassed Tsuande. The argument, for me, is that the method for showing it is poor. It's weak writing and, should it stay this way, not satisfactory at all.

I am undecided because it's entirely possible future chapters will give that demonstration. But this, standing as it is, is not enough for me.

The old writer's adage: SHOW don't TELL.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Because she needed to use part of her non-stored chakra in order to start storing chakra to create the seal. She needed to sacrifice the full usage of her chakra for 3 years in order to create the seal. After the seal was done she could once again use her normal chakra (non-stored) to it's full potential which makes her strength rise.

My only problem with the fact of this whole "storing chakra for 3 years" is if she stored chakra or she constantly 24/7 stored chakra because, she has to sleep and even there were many times she was uncouncious plus the battle against Sasori which was a great hidrance for her and she was even poisoned, and later when she got stabbed by Sasori which also had poison.

Same happens with Madara being the one behind Rin's death.
How did he managed to leave his cave, control dozens of shinobis even the Mist Village itself to seal the bijuu on Rin, at that state i dont know.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 May 2014 - 09:40 PM.