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[Phantom_999]

HhAHAHAHA,
Sakura's desire is to fight alongside Naruto, fangirl is another stuff.
it's one of the main heroine's duties, the others are supporting him and other stuff.
Like i said if she fight alongside Naruto for once she would stop thinking bad about herself.

No, they are one are one and the same. saying that she MUST fight along side Naruto to be the heroine means that she is only a good character if it comes to Naruto, no different from Hinata. Hinata up till now(maybe on the till now) has always grown stronger or shown her more courageous and confident only when it comes to Naruto, and if Sakura did the that same conditional "only if" kind of development she is not really a heroine. and I don't recall her actually being down on her self to anything but Sasuke since the beginning of P:art II so she does not need Naruto to give her confidence or will. You are, again describing Hinata. So I'm not saying that I don't want her to fight by Naruto's side, I'm only saying that if doing that is all that makes her a heroine then she is just a "heroine in love" and Hinata has already taken that single minded role again up til now. Sakura IS a heroine with or without fighting alongside Naruto like a couple is all I'm saying. SHe has shown that she is a mature ,strong and responsible young woman which is what a heroine should be.

Edited by Phantom_999, 21 January 2013 - 08:24 PM.

[Gravenimage]

I said we should wait for 616 but some people start screaming "CANON CANON" even the NH and SS fans who were lurking on this website are hiding now.

This^ NH fans are always jumping the gun and jumping to conclusions it wasn't the first time this has happened. Look at 437 how much they were cheering and claiming their pairing was canon, some didn't care about the Naruto/Pain fight and wanted it to be over already so Naruto can return to Konoha and declare his love for Hinata (we know how it ended).

[tricksie]

That's a good point. But, can't it still be said that she's not giving up on finding someone who loves her, and she him. What if...she finds someone like Naruto but better in their own way, so she's not really giving up on love, especially since Naruto would be happy with the one he loves like she would want him to be. Does this make sense? I won't imagine her as a weak character if she does that...considering you can't force someone to love you, can you? There's always a limit to that nindo. I swear there was a technique that even Naruto couldn't do and he gave up on before.

Right, and I think that's what will happen. Kishimoto will give her some other love interest. Her character's importance hinges on her love for Naruto, so the first resolution that will have to come for her will be the love interest. (Even if she was made head of her clan or even president of the world, she would still be seen as pining for Naruto if she was settled with someone when Naruto was with Sakura.)

Kishimoto will have to give her something that doesn't seem like a consolation prize. And to do that, he will have to put some effort into writing a resolution for her, and not just let it occur off-panel. She won't be weak or a losing party if Kishimoto treats it right. (But if is just hand-waved away, then yeah - Hinata was just a plot device. But I don't think that will happen.)

Also, I think Kishimoto is fandom savvy. He knows that there are the two shipping camps (as well as the others), and he likes fanning those flames. It's good for business. So I really don't think he would write a chapter to please NH fans and keep them haning on if he didn't write something to appease them at the end. After all, he's the one who's bumped up her importance. I don't think he'll just walk away from that and leave all those fans hanging.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I just think that either Kishi choose to ignore it forever (media sure does) or make her realize Naruto's love in this arc.

[Qia]

Right, and I think that's what will happen. Kishimoto will give her some other love interest. Her character's importance hinges on her love for Naruto, so the first resolution that will have to come for her will be the love interest. (Even if she was made head of her clan or even president of the world, she would still be seen as pining for Naruto if she was settled with someone when Naruto was with Sakura.)

Kishimoto will have to give her something that doesn't seem like a consolation prize. And to do that, he will have to put some effort into writing a resolution for her, and not just let it occur off-panel. She won't be weak or a losing party if Kishimoto treats it right. (But if is just hand-waved away, then yeah - Hinata was just a plot device. But I don't think that will happen.)

Also, I think Kishimoto is fandom savvy. He knows that there are the two shipping camps (as well as the others), and he likes fanning those flames. It's good for business. So I really don't think he would write a chapter to please NH fans and keep them hanging on if he didn't write something to appease them at the end. After all, he's the one who's bumped up her importance. I don't think he'll just walk away from that and leave all those fans hanging.

The beauty of that I think is we won't necessarily have to see her falling for that love interest either. It could be shown that she's happy for Naruto and she hopes and won't give up on finding that special someone one day. Maybe we might even get a glimpse of her actually finding him when the manga comes to an end (or at least be told that she did).

Anyway, no matter how you look at it, one person's going to have to "give up" (but not really in that way) in order to make a particular ship happen.

I just think that either Kishi choose to ignore it forever (media sure does) or make her realize Naruto's love in this arc.

Unless she already has and realizes that it's more important that she's by his side along with everyone else, supporting him and putting their lives on the line. If only...

Edited by Qia, 21 January 2013 - 08:59 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Kishimoto will have to give her something that doesn't seem like a consolation prize. And to do that, he will have to put some effort into writing a resolution for her, and not just let it occur off-panel. She won't be weak or a losing party if Kishimoto treats it right. (But if is just hand-waved away, then yeah - Hinata was just a plot device. But I don't think that will happen.)

My biggest problem with this is that really no fandom, besides NS, will be happy even with resolution. If NH doesn't become canon, we know that some fans will not be happy and even if given that resolution, they will claim that Kishi is a moron for not doing the "obvious."

Also, what if Kishi does do a resolution that he thinks is satisfactory, but to us it is not. Us fans are very picky in what we want and it has been shown that Kishi did do things what he thought was good, yet the fans reacted differently. So what is a satisfactory resolution to NH that is good enough for everyone? Does it deserve a panel? A page? A whole chapter? How much time would Kishi need to spend to "treat it right?"

We also have the idea that maybe he has already given it a resolution, but we didn't notice it. It is quite possible and it has been shown that the fans miss out on some things. I re-read the interview with Kishi about Sakura's confession and how he said that he depicted what he thought was her being a truthful, yet stubborn girl, yet all of us took it wrong. He even says that the fans reacted not in the way he expected them to. Which got me thinking if there were other scenes that he did that were taken wrong or misinterpreted.

I guess overthinking might play a hand, but it has been something that I have been kicking around in my head. I wonder if there is scenes that were taken wrong and it wouldn't be the first time. Our bias does get the way of what we want to see. Trying to not be to radical with this idea, but I just wonder sometimes if the fandom expects too much.

And I hate to say this, but...so far Hinata has been nothing, but a plot device.

Anyway, no matter how you look at it, one person's going to have to "give up" (but not really in that way) in order to make a particular ship happen.

Real life dictates that for there to be a winner, someone has to lose. You can't always get it both ways.

Plus I think if Hinata really loves Naruto as much as she says she is, she would put his needs before hers.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 21 January 2013 - 09:29 PM.

[StriderC]

The beauty of that I think is we won't necessarily have to see her falling for that love interest either. It could be shown that she's happy for Naruto and she hopes and won't give up on finding that special someone one day. Maybe we might even get a glimpse of her actually finding him when the manga comes to an end (or at least be told that she did).

Anyway, no matter how you look at it, one person's going to have to "give up" (but not really in that way) in order to make a particular ship happen.



Unless she already has and realizes that it's more important that she's by his side along with everyone else, supporting him and putting their lives on the line. If only...

That'd be nice though I can see her pulling the smile like she did when Naruto returned to the village in the Pein Arc. I think ultimately, she'd be happy for him if he were to end up with Sakura and she'd see the happiness she brings to him. She already got a glimpse of it back then with the genuine hug.

At this point though, I can't even begin to wonder how Kishimoto is gonna resolve this. At this point, I only want to see Sakura doing something in this war. We've just about seen all of the members of Konoha but not so much Sakura. Hopefully he doesn't pin her down to an only medic role. I'd actually like to see her and Shizune do something together as students of Tsunade. That'd be pretty amazing IMO.

[T XD]

The thing is that,I think, Kishi had realized that he had putted himself in a hard situation, where he found out that he complicated Hinata's character and her resolve of her feelings back when she confessed to Naruto.
He seems that he divided this character and her resolve into parts and is putting them here and there, till at the end, he can see how he can finish the business with Hinata.

Maybe he chose this for Hinata, somewhat probably, yeah. But, why would he go all that way with a side character ? I don't think it's because for fanservice he would do all that !
So, it seems that he had found for himself a twist

Edited by T XD, 21 January 2013 - 09:57 PM.

[Qia]

That'd be nice though I can see her pulling the smile like she did when Naruto returned to the village in the Pein Arc. I think ultimately, she'd be happy for him if he were to end up with Sakura and she'd see the happiness she brings to him. She already got a glimpse of it back then with the genuine hug.

At this point though, I can't even begin to wonder how Kishimoto is gonna resolve this. At this point, I only want to see Sakura doing something in this war. We've just about seen all of the members of Konoha but not so much Sakura. Hopefully he doesn't pin her down to an only medic role. I'd actually like to see her and Shizune do something together as students of Tsunade. That'd be pretty amazing IMO.

Mhmm. What surprised me, however, was the reaction I got from a Naruhina friend of mine when I told her this some time. The thought of Hinata just being happy for Naruto seemed totally absurd to her and she swore that the manga would be one of the worst she's ever read if it happened. I'm not going to lie and say that I would be a little disappointed if NS doesn't happen, but at the same time wouldn't calling it one of the worst be kind of drastic? And is it so hard to believe that someone can simply be happy that the person they love is happy? I guess when it's not something you want it's harder to accept

I'm sure Sakura's shining moment will come, and if we were to stick with her words in 573 I'm sure it won't be just a medic role. We just have to wait...save the best for last after all. It's sort of funny how we still haven't found out about Tsunade's condition yet. Maybe then we might, and who knows how she, and even Naruto, might react.

[Quinny52]

@Strider - I here you, man.

Though if her disappearance is anything to go by, we might be seeing something coming up with Sakura soon. If the focus on the K1110 is going in order than by that logic, Sakura's focus will be saved towards the end of this battle. Perhaps her absence from this chapter is a prelude of what's to come? Time will tell.

@James - You hit the nail on the head. Regardless of whether Kishi decides to aim for, what would be in his mind, a satisfactory resolution, or how much time he gives it, you're always gonna get a mixed reaction; Some would think it's a perfect conclusion, others would think it's a cheap cop-out. It's as you said though, for there to be a winner, someone has to lose.

Perhaps, as you stated, the rose tinted glasses that all fandoms have is going to lead to a huge blow for the fandom that draws the short string. But is it the fandoms themselves who are to blame for setting their own bar too high, or has it been misinterpretation to scenes where Kishi should've been more straightforward in the message(s) he tries to convey in said scenes?

Fact of the matter here is, no matter what Kishi decides to do, he can't please everyone.

Edited by Quinny52, 21 January 2013 - 10:26 PM.

[StriderC]

Mhmm. What surprised me, however, was the reaction I got from a Naruhina friend of mine when I told her this some time. The thought of Hinata just being happy for Naruto seemed totally absurd to her and she swore that the manga would be one of the worst she's ever read if it happened. I'm not going to lie and say that I would be a little disappointed if NS doesn't happen, but at the same time wouldn't calling it one of the worst be kind of drastic? And is it so hard to believe that someone can simply be happy that the person they love is happy? I guess when it's not something you want it's harder to accept

I'm sure Sakura's shining moment will come, and if we were to stick with her words in 573 I'm sure it won't be just a medic role. We just have to wait...save the best for last after all. It's sort of funny how we still haven't found out about Tsunade's condition yet. Maybe then we might, and who knows how she, and even Naruto, might react.

The only reason I feel this way personally when it comes to Hinata is how she responded to the hug. She didn't look upset or anything so who knows. It wouldn't be so farfetched at all if she were to be happy for Naruto and his happiness with another girl.


With Sakura, it's different. Given what we've seen of Sakura just last chapter and her response to seeing Hinata with Naruto, one could interpret that in anyway given we didn't get any inner dialogue. Could be jealousy. She could turn around and realize that she's in love with him and not push her feelings on him but instead just be there for him like she's always been. But with that, it'd be bittersweet given how much she knows Naruto and how long they've been around one another. I think it'd be easier for Hinata to get over Naruto because she doesn't TRULY know him. She hasn't touched down on his dreams, has rarely seen his ups and downs. While she's seen his struggles from afar, she doesn't really see him like Sakura does. While Naruto and Sakura don't have a perfect relationship, it's what makes them more real than NH who's only sunshine and rainbows for the most part.

Yeah, I know her role will come eventually but the waiting is what kills it for me, and that cover just makes me want even more. Slex sent me a message that made me a little upset with the scanlators. They actually etched out the heroine part on the cover... I mean, seriously? What's the point? The pictures speaks quite loudly without the text anyway so no matter how they try to erase what's right there, it's still not going anywhere. The hero and the heroine are right there looking epic.

I'm more anxious to see Sakura's reaction to finding out what's going on with Tsunade since they've spent more time together and then there's Shizune. Tsunade is practically her mother and the only one she has left. I'd be nice to see Naruto's reaction but I don't think he's gonna flip. This time it'll likely be Sakura and she'll get more resolve hopefully and own some kitten in the process.

[StriderC]

@Strider - I here you, man.

Though if her disappearance is anything to go by, we might be seeing something coming up with Sakura soon. If the focus on the K1110 is going in order than by that logic, Sakura's focus will be saved towards the end of this battle. Perhaps her absence from this chapter is a prelude of what's to come? Time will tell.

Yeah I suppose but I don't think she has to be off panel for her time to come. It's so weird for her to be there but not be there if you know what I mean. It's been wayyyyyy too long for me. She's the heroine after all and so she shouldn't have to get shafted for everyone else to shine or even get panel time. We're seeing lots of Naruto and so where is the lots of Sakura. LOL

[T XD]

I don't know why but I'm getting this thought that Sakura will pop and appears again in the next chapter or the after it. But, something tells me that she won't have a big role. Hope I'm wrong. I'll be damn glad if we got to see something great from her.

Seeing that after Hinata, we got InoShikaCho, maybe we'll get the chronological turns of how the characters in 573 appeared in the next chapters XD

[sushi.]

I think the next are Tenten and Lee, then we get Kiba and Shino. Then Sakura and Sai.

Edited by sushi., 21 January 2013 - 11:01 PM.

[T XD]

I think the next are Tenten and Lee, then we get Kiba and Shino. Then Sakura and Sai.

Aren't Kiba and Shino before Tenten and Lee ?

Edited by T XD, 21 January 2013 - 11:08 PM.

[StriderC]

I hope he breaks the order and just does it however in all honesty...

[sushi.]

Aren't Kiba and Shino before Tenten and Lee ?

Hmm..yeah, but I think it would be a natural follow-up considering team Gai's reaction in 616.
I dunno, it would be weird for Kiba and Shino to just pop up on wednesday.

[Chatte]

Hmm..yeah, but I think it would be a natural follow-up considering team Gai's reaction in 616.
I dunno, it would be weird for Kiba and Shino to just pop up on wednesday.

They are quite mixed around... however, we know that in both instances in 573 (meaning showing them before and after the monologue), it started with Hinata and ended with Sakura.
That's for sure.

[sushi.]

They are quite mixed around... however, we know that in both instances in 573 (meaning showing them before and after the monologue), it started with Hinata and ended with Sakura.
That's for sure.

As long as he ends it with Sakura, I'll be OK with it.
It doesn't need to be that chronological, I just had a prediction that this is how it would go.

[VTamer Taichi]

the "obvious." Hinata has been nothing, but a plot device.

"obvious"

Hinata a plot device.

A plot device

Hinata

It's been like that since Part 1 Prelims, man.