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[Rocket]

How do you guys think that Naruhina is the most popular pairing in west

Well most of us think that most fans like NH because it has that kind of "fairy tail" concept. One person loves another, loved person is in love with another, later on in life said loved person recognises person who loves said loved person, they hook up, happily ever after. I have a feeling it's because some of the people in the west exclusively watch the anime. Pierrot pretty much changes the personalities of some characters [e.g. Sakura hitting Naruto is part of her Tsundere personality in the manga, but in the anime this is stretched out to a ridiculous extent] which is why said characters are viewed in a negative light. This is why people favour Hinata over Sakura, they sympathise with her, while with Sakura it's the opposite. The reason why people support NH is because of the Hinata half. Because they're such avid fans of her, they want to see her get what she desires. They don't really give much thought about what Naruto [the main character] wants, and if they did, then they would realise that there was never a Naruto half in NH.

do you think that there will be a Sasusaku moment before or after our waited Narusaku moment happen?

I agree with dfammer. It's a possibility that Sakura may meet up with Sasuke later on in the manga, but like Fenris-chan [I can call you that, right? ;_;] said, I highly doubt that she's going to go back to her Sasuke-fangirling mode again. That would severely destroy all that character development she's had in the past chapters. And then the world will pull off a Mexican Wave full of facepalms.

[Fenris]

Well most of us think that most fans like NH because it has that kind of "fairy tail" concept. One person loves another, loved person is in love with another, later on in life said loved person recognises person who loves said loved person, they hook up, happily ever after. I have a feeling it's because some of the people in the west exclusively watch the anime. Pierrot pretty much changes the personalities of some characters [e.g. Sakura hitting Naruto is part of her Tsundere personality in the manga, but in the anime this is stretched out to a ridiculous extent] which is why said characters are viewed in a negative light. This is why people favour Hinata over Sakura, they sympathise with her, while with Sakura it's the opposite. The reason why people support NH is because of the Hinata half. Because they're such avid fans of her, they want to see her get what she desires. They don't really give much thought about what Naruto [the main character] wants, and if they did, then they would realise that there was never a Naruto half in NH.


I agree with dfammer. It's a possibility that Sakura may meet up with Sasuke later on in the manga, but like Fenris-chan [I can call you that, right? ;_;] said, I highly doubt that she's going to go back to her Sasuke-fangirling mode again. That would severely destroy all that character development she's had in the past chapters. And then the world will pull off a Mexican Wave full of facepalms.

(Yes you can call me that Yay nicknamess <3) I completely agree, Rocket :'3 Here in the West, it's all about what Hinata wants, not what Naruto wants. For some reason, thanks to episodes like where he seen Hinata bathing, (eg: filler.) and where he hugged her (filler) may of put the thought in peoples minds that he likes her or something. Up until i joined this site, i had no idea what filler and non-filler was, so I can see many people in the same situation, too.

I can imagine Sakura getting sad over Sasuke, just a little bit, but then I can imagine her having her flashback where she told Naru in the hospital scene that she was going to be strong and help too, that she wouldn't just stand there and cry anymore and do nothing - that she'd fight and be strong. I can imagine her trying to fight Sasuke on her own again, hopefully landing a few good punches on him. I've been thinking that she's been healing more than just wounded ninja off panel. Maybe she's healing her heart, too - and the more she doesn't appear on panel, the more she's coming to her senses about Sasuke off panel. Am i making sense? It's kinda hard to explain, but basically what I meant was: For alll we know, Sakura can be mending her feelings off panel.

[Rocket]

(Yes you can call me that Yay nicknamess <3)

Oh yay thanks ^∇^ I've been on H&E for some time now, so it kinda feels awkward addressing people so formally... at the same time I feel like a rude b#tch if I don't D: anyways...

I completely agree, Rocket :'3 Here in the West, it's all about what Hinata wants, not what Naruto wants. For some reason, thanks to episodes like where he seen Hinata bathing, (eg: filler.) and where he hugged her (filler) may of put the thought in peoples minds that he likes her or something.

Oh my gosh I know. A lot of fans can be all double-standardish and stuff. I'm not denying that we sometimes do the same without realising, but... they're just so much more easier to notice. And I love it how they say Sakura's hug, a canon NS moment, is simply a bro/sis hug or whatever. Aside from western fans only watching the anime, I also think that they may struggle to understand that the way the Japanese society communicate with each other is waaaaay different to how we communicate in the west. A lot of people say "Oh my God, it's just a hug in the crowd, it's nothing, build a f#cking bridge you rabid NS fans " but they tend to forget that this is a manga made in Japan, a place where people aren't so touchy in the open crowd or whatever. In the west, you see people touching each other in the most wrong ways possible, making out, "doing in" the most retarded places everyday and yet we call this "nothing". In Japan, however, simply holding hands, or in this case, hugging another, especially someone you have feelings for, is actually equal to what western people do, a sign of affection.

And back to the double-standard issue, they seem to acknowledge the smallest NH "moments" as "OMG TROO WABZ" moments. They seemingly cannot, at the very least, accept an NS moment where it's so obvious, regardless of what pairing they ship. It's a real shame.

I can imagine Sakura getting sad over Sasuke, just a little bit, but then I can imagine her having her flashback where she told Naru in the hospital scene that she was going to be strong and help too, that she wouldn't just stand there and cry anymore and do nothing - that she'd fight and be strong. I can imagine her trying to fight Sasuke on her own again, hopefully landing a few good punches on him. I've been thinking that she's been healing more than just wounded ninja off panel. Maybe she's healing her heart, too - and the more she doesn't appear on panel, the more she's coming to her senses about Sasuke off panel. Am i making sense? It's kinda hard to explain, but basically what I meant was: For alll we know, Sakura can be mending her feelings off panel.

LOL it's okay, you're making sense. XD I can definitely see Sakura trying to land a blow on Sasuke so that she wouldn't have to rely on Naruto all the time [although what she said herself in 487 kinda contradicts this...]

[Living Lavish]

I believe the one who said Sakura loves Sasuke and that she's using Naruto's feelings wasn't Kishi but Nakamura. Chie Nakamura is Sakura's Japanese VA and she's a SS shipper obviously she will say such thing, but I believe she also likes the relationship between Naruto and Sakura I doubt she approves of NS though.

wtf are you doing?
Its wasn't Nakamura, it was someone else from the anime team who asked the question. and stop trying to make kitten up. Chie Nakamura NEVER said she was a SS shipper. in her Interview a couple months back when shes was answering fans questions, she made it obvous that pairing annoys her and wanted Sakura to move on, she even said she couldn't see them married. afterwards she was very vague about NS so she basically prefered are pairing. end of.

[Askia31]

How you guys think Sakura will react once she learn the truth about Itachi? She will definitely learn about it sooner or later. I keep hearing it will be the key to make sasusaku canon.

[catsi563]

Doubtful in point of fact Im pretty certain it would have the opposite effect. Sakura would be disgusted by someone who selfishly threw away what someone else sacraficed so much for. she certainly wouldnt be happy with the elders, and Sanzos decision to massacre the clan, but she wouldnt buy into Sasukes excuses either.

Sakura shas always been practical in her character to an extent, and notion that she would just up and embrace Sasuke as ooooh poor baby bad men hurt you is silly. it might help her understand his hatred a little better but I doubt itll send her into his arms.

[Fenris]

Doubtful in point of fact Im pretty certain it would have the opposite effect. Sakura would be disgusted by someone who selfishly threw away what someone else sacraficed so much for. she certainly wouldnt be happy with the elders, and Sanzos decision to massacre the clan, but she wouldnt buy into Sasukes excuses either.

Sakura shas always been practical in her character to an extent, and notion that she would just up and embrace Sasuke as ooooh poor baby bad men hurt you is silly. it might help her understand his hatred a little better but I doubt itll send her into his arms.

Definitely. There's no way in hell it'd send Sakura in his arms and comfort him. It'd have the opposite side effect.

[Rocket]

wtf are you doing?
Its wasn't Nakamura, it was someone else from the anime team who asked the question. and stop trying to make kitten up. Chie Nakamura NEVER said she was a SS shipper. in her Interview a couple months back when shes was answering fans questions, she made it obvous that pairing annoys her and wanted Sakura to move on, she even said she couldn't see them married. afterwards she was very vague about NS so she basically prefered are pairing. end of.

Graven isn't "making kitten up", it's just that word's been going around about the interview for ages now that Chie Nakamura is apparently an SS shipper. Now, we don't know if this is exactly true since some translations where she says so can be biased and translated for the benefit of opposing fandoms. And how do you know it was someone from the anime team who asked the question instead? Also, what interview did Chie Nakamura say that pairings annoy her?

The worst thing about NH claiming the N/S hug was a platonic bro/sis moment is that there's a picture floating around of Hinata giving the hug instead. Why is it romantic with her and not Sakura? I think they know that it was a romantic moment and just don't want to admit it.

Uggghh I know right? The same thing is with SS. Although a little less popular, people draw Sasuke in place of Naruto so Sakura is hugging Sasuke instead. And the worst part is that sometimes people draw Naruto in the background being happy for the two. I know it shouldn't, but it pisses me off to no end to be honest.

As for the second bold point, that is so true! One look through an Anti-NaruSaku forum told me that. Apparently every interaction they've had is platonic. Every. Interaction. It's like they refuse to acknowledge that it can be interpreted both ways. I stopped looking when they started saying that if Kishi makes NaruSaku happen it will be an 'asspull' that 'completely contradicts the manga' and he's a 'bad writer' .

LOLWUT.

Kishi-sensei making NS canon would be an asspull that completely contradicts the manga and he's a bad writer? B#tch please.

How the hell will NS being canon contradict the manga?! I shall correct this wrong statement.

If Kishi makes NaruHina happen it will be an 'asspull' that 'completely contradicts the manga' and he's a 'bad writer'.

Now that, my friends, is correct. There's so much, if not too much evidence that NS is most likely to happen in the conclusion of the manga. For Kishi-sensei to pull off the biggest LOLYOUGOTTROLLED no jutsu by making NH canon in the end... now that's just pure laziness there. And then he would be a bad writer. I won't exactly put it as being an asspull if NH became canon, but seriously, to make a pairing that has pretty much 0% development within almost 570 chapters canon, that really is bad writing, and that would seriously contradict the manga. Kishi-sensei, I will admit, has the power to do that, however I think we can trust him not to pull of an action like that. And he himself, as the creater of the manga, should know that better than us, the audience.

How you guys think Sakura will react once she learn the truth about Itachi? She will definitely learn about it sooner or later. I keep hearing it will be the key to make sasusaku canon.

As for this, I agree with catsi. It definitely wouldn't make SS canon, however it would be nice if Sakura knew about Itachi and the Uchiha Clan Massacre, since she's the only one in Team 7 being kept in the dark. Therefore if she knew as well, she would definitely understand Sasuke's ways better. But she certainly won't be running up to him again after everything he's done. Instead of following Itachi's way, Sasuke decided to go his own way by destroying Konoha. Even if Sakura understood Sasuke better, she wouldn't be happy with his decisions. Sasuke could have easily followed Itachi, and that would give Sakura a reason to sympathise with him more than she would if she knew the truth, but that is not the case.

[ciardha]

Doubtful in point of fact Im pretty certain it would have the opposite effect. Sakura would be disgusted by someone who selfishly threw away what someone else sacraficed so much for. she certainly wouldnt be happy with the elders, and Danzo's decision to massacre the clan, but she wouldnt buy into Sasukes excuses either.

Sakura shas always been practical in her character to an extent, and notion that she would just up and embrace Sasuke as ooooh poor baby bad men hurt you is silly. it might help her understand his hatred a little better but I doubt itll send her into his arms.

And seriously, who would rationally think even 12 year old fangirl Sakura would ever embrace Sasuke's psychotic "I hate everyone and want them all dead" (and that includes Sakura) just because of what Danzo, Koharu and Homura plotted behind Hiruzen's back. Itachi entrusted Sasuke to Hiruzen and Konoha. Now, with 17 year Sakura, who is in love with Naruto and finds the memory of her feelings for Sasuke shameful and depressing it's impossible, and even moreso if she were to find out what happened to Itachi- (Itachi sacrificed himself, turned himself into the thing of Sasuke's nightmares- in the hope that Sasuke, left in Konoha, removed from the Uchiha clan influence, would come to love Konoha as much as Itachi had, and when the time came, not only kill Itachi but resist and kill Tobi/Madara, and in that way remove the dishonor of the Uchiha clan). she would be angered- at Sasuke. He had chance after chance to make a better choice and every time he focuses only on his most negative feelings and goes the wrong way. It will make her angry and disgusted at Sasuke and Sakura didn't hold back verbally even back in her part 1 Sasuke fangirl days when she was angry and disgusted at Sasuke's actions, in part 2 even moreso. I could easily picture a scene like in Fenris' signature as Sakura's response. She'll be righteously hacked off...

The only thing it will change in any positive way will be her opinion about Itachi, she won't just see him as the monster who was a threat to both Naruto and Sasuke, but as yet another victim of the ninja system. It will make her embrace Naruto's path to change the ninja system even moreso, so no one else will be forced into such a situation.

Edited by ciardha, 17 December 2011 - 02:50 AM.

[Fenris]

And seriously, who would rationally think even 12 year old fangirl Sakura would ever embrace Sasuke's psychotic "I hate everyone and want them all dead" (and that includes Sakura) just because of what Danzo, Koharu and Homura plotted behind Hiruzen's back. Itachi entrusted Sasuke to Hiruzen and Konoha. Now, with 17 year Sakura, who is in love with Naruto and finds the memory of her feelings for Sasuke shameful and depressing it's impossible, and even moreso if she were to find out what happened to Itachi- (Itachi sacrificed himself, turned himself into the thing of Sasuke's nightmares- in the hope that Sasuke, left in Konoha, removed from the Uchiha clan influence, would come to love Konoha as much as Itachi had, and when the time came, not only kill Itachi but resist and kill Tobi/Madara, and in that way remove the dishonor of the Uchiha clan). she would be angered- at Sasuke. He had chance after chance to make a better choice and every time he focuses only on his most negative feelings and goes the wrong way. It will make her angry and disgusted at Sasuke and Sakura didn't hold back verbally even back in her part 1 Sasuke fangirl days when she was angry and disgusted at Sasuke's actions, in part 2 even moreso. I could easily picture a scene like in Fenris' signature as Sakura's response. She'll be righteously hacked off...

The only thing it will change in any positive way will be her opinion about Itachi, she won't just see him as the monster who was a threat to both Naruto and Sasuke, but as yet another victim of the ninja system. It will make her embrace Naruto's path to change the ninja system even moreso, so no one else will be forced into such a situation.

I couldn't agree more If anything it'd make her feel more sympathy for Itachi and grow closer to Naruto from Sasukes even more maniac reactions.
Look how she leans close to Naruto for comfort and support as she realizes Sasuke is Akatsuki: http://i2.mangareade...naruto-9061.jpg

Edit:
Tumblr knows how to piss me off, really. Anyway, someone posted this on a "Awkward Naruto stuff" blog. I was wondering: What's awkward about it? Seriously.

That awkward moment when there are still people out there that ship NaruSaku

Do other fandoms really think that NS is dead?

Edited by Fenris, 17 December 2011 - 04:31 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

@Fenris
Ignorance. That statement of theirs reeks of ignorance. If any pairing is on its deathbed, it's SasuSaku (killing spree Sasuke).

Edited by zacrathedemon5, 17 December 2011 - 05:19 PM.

[Fenris]

@Fenris
Ignorance. That statement of theirs reeks of ignorance. If any pairing is on its deathbed, it's SasuSaku (killing spree Sasuke).

Yup.
I heard in the Jump Festa thread that someone reeinacted Sakura's first confession out for Kishi. Should we be concerned of things spiking with SS now? Like pairing material. I hope not. I'm fretting too much Sometimes I forget all the development Kishi put into NS and Sakura

[CloudMountainJuror]

Yup.
I heard in the Jump Festa thread that someone reeinacted Sakura's first confession out for Kishi. Should we be concerned of things spiking with SS now? Like pairing material. I hope not. I'm fretting too much Sometimes I forget all the development Kishi put into NS and Sakura

Nah, I wouldn't worry about that. Just a fan reenactment Which I'd actually be curious to see how well they did.

[Fenris]

Nah, I wouldn't worry about that. Just a fan reenactment Which I'd actually be curious to see how well they did.

Well now I think it says it was the actual VA's that did it..



Sigh.

what if kishi is inspired to do al lsorts of SS stuff

Edited by Fenris, 17 December 2011 - 06:10 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Well now I think it says it was the actual VA's that did it..



Sigh.

what if kishi is inspired to do al lsorts of SS stuff

The actual VAs? Wow. Not gonna lie, that's actually pretty cool.
Still, I'd hope that Kishi knows that that part was in Part 1, hundreds of chapters ago. If he keeps his head straight, then the most he'll do is troll us ever so slightly with hints of SasuSaku. I don't think that a simple reenactment would inspire him enough to change the ending, though. Not with the amount of development that he's put into NaruSaku.

[Anguyen92]

That awkward moment when there are still people out there that ship NaruSaku

What, we can't ship our particular pairing but they can ship their particular pairing? That's a bloody awful double-standard that just reeks of rudeness and lack of viewpoint from our POV.

They say its awkward, but why do they think its awkward and what do they think of the viewpoint of NaruSaku people that makes it awkward?

Edited by Anguyen92, 17 December 2011 - 07:11 PM.

[Thomas]

i want to see the 2012 interview jump fest,
i dont know why they love this war narusaku/naruhina i think its nonsense , they should accept the others opinion and stop trying to force the others to accept ur point of view this is awkward

[Phantom_999]

Well most of us think that most fans like NH because it has that kind of "fairy tail" concept. One person loves another, loved person is in love with another, later on in life said loved person recognises person who loves said loved person, they hook up, happily ever after. I have a feeling it's because some of the people in the west exclusively watch the anime. Pierrot pretty much changes the personalities of some characters [e.g. Sakura hitting Naruto is part of her Tsundere personality in the manga, but in the anime this is stretched out to a ridiculous extent] which is why said characters are viewed in a negative light. This is why people favour Hinata over Sakura, they sympathise with her, while with Sakura it's the opposite. The reason why people support NH is because of the Hinata half. Because they're such avid fans of her, they want to see her get what she desires. They don't really give much thought about what Naruto [the main character] wants, and if they did, then they would realise that there was never a Naruto half in NH.


I agree with dfammer. It's a possibility that Sakura may meet up with Sasuke later on in the manga, but like Fenris-chan [I can call you that, right? ;_;] said, I highly doubt that she's going to go back to her Sasuke-fangirling mode again. That would severely destroy all that character development she's had in the past chapters. And then the world will pull off a Mexican Wave full of facepalms.

(Yes you can call me that Yay nicknamess <3) I completely agree, Rocket :'3 Here in the West, it's all about what Hinata wants, not what Naruto wants. For some reason, thanks to episodes like where he seen Hinata bathing, (eg: filler.) and where he hugged her (filler) may of put the thought in peoples minds that he likes her or something. Up until i joined this site, i had no idea what filler and non-filler was, so I can see many people in the same situation, too.

I can imagine Sakura getting sad over Sasuke, just a little bit, but then I can imagine her having her flashback where she told Naru in the hospital scene that she was going to be strong and help too, that she wouldn't just stand there and cry anymore and do nothing - that she'd fight and be strong. I can imagine her trying to fight Sasuke on her own again, hopefully landing a few good punches on him. I've been thinking that she's been healing more than just wounded ninja off panel. Maybe she's healing her heart, too - and the more she doesn't appear on panel, the more she's coming to her senses about Sasuke off panel. Am i making sense? It's kinda hard to explain, but basically what I meant was: For alll we know, Sakura can be mending her feelings off panel.

Plus westerners have WAY more hate For Sakura and they don't want to see protagonists end up with tsunderes for some reason.

How you guys think Sakura will react once she learn the truth about Itachi? She will definitely learn about it sooner or later. I keep hearing it will be the key to make sasusaku canon.

Oh that makes PERFECT sense for SS. Sakura found out Itachi was protecting the village in secret and wanted peace. Sasuke understood this and STILL wants to kill in cold blood. Sound like a GOOD reason to respark old feelings and girls WANT to be with a sadistic killer. Sure some may accept that, but If Sakura can't deal with the fact he's a criminal why would she want to still be with him knowing He wants complete retribution against the village?

Edited by Phantom_999, 17 December 2011 - 10:29 PM.

[Dragunov]

Who know's, even if now she wants to be with him, she might be crazy too....

[merryGOflava]

Who know's, even if now she wants to be with him, she might be crazy too....

all i know is kishi said ONE person is gonna get their love requited.

and all i know is

naruto--> still likes sakura

hinata-->im just gonna say still likes naruto

sasuke---> still doesnt like sakura!!!

sakura--> ??????

doesnt the "???" mean anything!! XD it means sakura is the only one swaying~