
The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread!
#7321
Posted 08 December 2011 - 10:09 PM
In my eyes, Kishi likes Sakura, if he didn't, why keep her around for so long? Why make her the love interest of the main hero? Why make her the subplot main character of the romantic subplot. It wouldn't make sense. Sure, Sakura can get under my skin and on my nerves with her emotions, but I think we gotta have a bit more faith in her and Kishi. I think Kishi was just trying to say that he wants to make her the heroine, but also wants to make her the emotional wreck who loves Naruto, but also loves Sasuke. Drama, drama. But when we look back on it, who has the most development? NS. Who is the main hero of the story? Naruto. Who has loved Sakura since chapter 3? Naruto. Who had feelings developed subconsciously in the zabuza arc? Sakura.
We got so much more going for us than any other fandom that it's impossible to even list here that's how much ground we got to stand on.
We know from chapter 540 that Sakura views her feelings for Sasuke in a bad light, in a terrible light, she's depressed whenever she thinks about it. That ain't love. Love is something that makes you warm and happy, and who makes her warm and happy? Naruto. She even said this in her confession, she's happy when she's with him, and she can be "close to him." That's love.
Rant over.

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#7322
Posted 08 December 2011 - 10:42 PM
In my eyes, Kishi likes Sakura, if he didn't, why keep her around for so long? Why make her the love interest of the main hero? Why make her the subplot main character of the romantic subplot. It wouldn't make sense. Sure, Sakura can get under my skin and on my nerves with her emotions, but I think we gotta have a bit more faith in her and Kishi. I think Kishi was just trying to say that he wants to make her the heroine, but also wants to make her the emotional wreck who loves Naruto, but also loves Sasuke. Drama, drama. But when we look back on it, who has the most development? NS. Who is the main hero of the story? Naruto. Who has loved Sakura since chapter 3? Naruto. Who had feelings developed subconsciously in the zabuza arc? Sakura.
We got so much more going for us than any other fandom that it's impossible to even list here that's how much ground we got to stand on.
We know from chapter 540 that Sakura views her feelings for Sasuke in a bad light, in a terrible light, she's depressed whenever she thinks about it. That ain't love. Love is something that makes you warm and happy, and who makes her warm and happy? Naruto. She even said this in her confession, she's happy when she's with him, and she can be "close to him." That's love.
Rant over.
Ditto

#7323
Posted 08 December 2011 - 11:14 PM
Honestly, I'm glad you agree, cause I'm honestly getting sick of all this kitten getting me down and worried for no reason. No one knows what Kishi said, it could be altered and mistranslated, or even not even fully translated, misunderstood, or even vital information that could be missing from a language that's alien to most of us. I know nothing of the Japanese language, all I know is that the Japanese culture tend to have strong bonds with people, and if Sakura has had a strong bond with Sasuke and that's why she's hard at letting him go, then her bond with Naruto must be tens of billions times more stronger.
Kishi may of said this, and that, in interviews, which we don't even know if it's fully true or vital information is missing. He's not going to spoil the romantic subplot in a interview, and of course the interviewers are going to badger him, but the only thing is: The manga says other wise. The manga clearly, in your face, AK-47 Manga style, states that NaruSaku is going to be canon. Boom said it's like a roller coaster ride, and I got to say, he's completely right. there's going to be ups and downs for fandoms to throw us off guard, but in the end, NS is going to be canon, hell, it might not even wait to the end, it might happen soon. The upcoming chapters can predict anything, anything can happen positively for NS by now.
Rant over, sorry if I offended anyone. This post isn't directed at anyone, just from my perspective.
Edit:
And didn't Kishi say that Sakuras confession was true? I heard that, multiple times.
Edited by Fenris, 09 December 2011 - 12:24 AM.

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#7324
Posted 09 December 2011 - 01:19 AM

Basically, though, the way I took that interview is that Naruto is important to Sakura, but Kishi was telling us that she still has feelings for Sasuke. Which is kind of the interpretation I took from the confession scene beforehand (that interview came out during the Kage Summit Arc). He didn't say anything about her not being in love with/have feelings for Naruto, the only thing he mentioned was her feelings for Sasuke. So that part of the interview wasn't really ground-breaking news, IMO.
I also like to note what was going in the plot when that interview came out. At the end of 482, Sakura tells Sasuke she wants to betray Konoha and join him. We now know that she was lying, and was planning to kill him, but just imagine how much of a cliff-hanger that would be if you had to wait a week for 483. Especially since Kishimoto just gave an interview saying that she still had feelings for him. I'm not saying that necessarily makes what Kishi said false, but it's certainly a valid reason for him to give that answer. Imagine if Kishi flat out stated that she had feelings for Naruto in that interview. In my opinion, that would drastically change what I would expect in between 482 and 483.
@Fenris: Kishi didn't flat out say it was true, but a lot of N/S fans like to think that his comment about her being an "honest but stubborn girl" was proof that she was being honest in that interview. I admit it's interesting that he would call a character who had just apparently lied to the protagonist "honest", but I don't really think it's proof of it being a truthful confession either. The point of the confession was to re-introduce Sakura's feelings for Sasuke into the plot, and the part where she denied having feelings for Sasuke was what Naruto called her out on. Nothing's really been stated concerning her feelings for Naruto since then, but it seems pretty obvious to me that her feelings for Naruto are beyond friendship.
Edited by Boom...Winning, 09 December 2011 - 01:27 AM.
#7325
Posted 09 December 2011 - 01:32 AM

Basically, though, the way I took that interview is that Naruto is important to Sakura, but Kishi was telling us that she still has feelings for Sasuke. Which is kind of the interpretation I took from the confession scene beforehand (that interview came out during the Kage Summit Arc). He didn't say anything about her not being in love with/have feelings for Naruto, the only thing he mentioned was her feelings for Sasuke. So that part of the interview wasn't really ground-breaking news, IMO.
I also like to note what was going in the plot when that interview came out. At the end of 482, Sakura tells Sasuke she wants to betray Konoha and join him. We now know that she was lying, and was planning to kill him, but just imagine how much of a cliff-hanger that would be if you had to wait a week for 483. Especially since Kishimoto just gave an interview saying that she still had feelings for him. I'm not saying that necessarily makes what Kishi said false, but it's certainly a valid reason for him to give that answer. Imagine if Kishi flat out stated that she had feelings for Naruto in that interview. In my opinion, that would drastically change what I would expect in between 482 and 483.
@Fenris: Kishi didn't flat out say it was true, but a lot of N/S fans like to think that his comment about her being an "honest but stubborn girl" was proof that she was being honest in that interview. I admit it's interesting that he would call a character who had just apparently lied to the protagonist "honest", but I don't really think it's proof of it being a truthful confession either. The point of the confession was to re-introduce Sakura's feelings for Sasuke into the plot, and the part where she denied having feelings for Sasuke was what Naruto called her out on. Nothing's really been stated concerning her feelings for Naruto since then, but it seems pretty obvious to me that her feelings for Naruto are beyond friendship.
You're absolutely right, I agree completely. Kishi never stated that Sakur only had feelings for Sasuke, he didn't say she didn't love Naruto, y'know?

Cliffhangers, roller coasters,

Edited by Fenris, 09 December 2011 - 01:32 AM.

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#7326
Posted 09 December 2011 - 04:19 AM
Honestly, I'm glad you agree, cause I'm honestly getting sick of all this kitten getting me down and worried for no reason. No one knows what Kishi said, it could be altered and mistranslated, or even not even fully translated, misunderstood, or even vital information that could be missing from a language that's alien to most of us. I know nothing of the Japanese language, all I know is that the Japanese culture tend to have strong bonds with people, and if Sakura has had a strong bond with Sasuke and that's why she's hard at letting him go, then her bond with Naruto must be tens of billions times more stronger.
Kishi may of said this, and that, in interviews, which we don't even know if it's fully true or vital information is missing. He's not going to spoil the romantic subplot in a interview, and of course the interviewers are going to badger him, but the only thing is: The manga says other wise. The manga clearly, in your face, AK-47 Manga style, states that NaruSaku is going to be canon. Boom said it's like a roller coaster ride, and I got to say, he's completely right. there's going to be ups and downs for fandoms to throw us off guard, but in the end, NS is going to be canon, hell, it might not even wait to the end, it might happen soon. The upcoming chapters can predict anything, anything can happen positively for NS by now.
Rant over, sorry if I offended anyone. This post isn't directed at anyone, just from my perspective.
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And didn't Kishi say that Sakuras confession was true? I heard that, multiple times.
Well you see Fenris I'm a die har NaruSaku I think exactly like you when you speak about NaruSaku relationship. but since chapter 540 I became bigger fan, and why I start been die hard since chapter 540 because I never pay attention to Sasuke and Sakura, since chapter 3 I always see this manga as a NaruSaku but after 540 I become more of a NaruSaku fan because I start gathing worry.
for all smart persons NaruSaku is the best couple in the manga, because is the girl Naruto likes, but many horny girls likes Sasuke and and love SS because of Sasuke, his fanbase is really big plus the fact that it's clear that kishi like Sasuke more than Naruto that worrys me alot.
Honestly you don't spend an entire manga about a character revenche or trying to redeem him, he is a supporting character not the main.
The treatment Sasuke is riciven is the same treatment a main character recive in any other storys, Kishi is really wierd with Sasuke.
You hear many fans complaining that the Manga should be call Sasuke or the Uchihas story because they really look like the main characters here.
Edited by donjoseph19, 09 December 2011 - 04:23 AM.
#7327
Posted 09 December 2011 - 07:02 AM

Plus., Kishi is telling a story, we can't really expect him to keep it all on Naruto without expanding the view a bit and going in deeper depths with other characters. If we don't know this ___ or __that that he puts into the story we may not fully understand it at the climax. Either or, whatever. It doesn't bother me.
540 also made me a bigger NS fan, cause she's seeing her feelings for him in a bad light.
There can be two main characters, three, four, it doesn't matter. If they're shown often, theyre main and improtant to the main plot story. Hinata, per say, isn't. She's a background / filler character, but still important in the subplot department I guess. Sasuke is the main bad guy, Naruto is the main good guy, sort of like spiderman and that octopus dude. Sakura is his Mary Jane.

Edited by Fenris, 09 December 2011 - 07:04 AM.

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#7328
Posted 09 December 2011 - 12:13 PM

Plus., Kishi is telling a story, we can't really expect him to keep it all on Naruto without expanding the view a bit and going in deeper depths with other characters. If we don't know this ___ or __that that he puts into the story we may not fully understand it at the climax. Either or, whatever. It doesn't bother me.
540 also made me a bigger NS fan, cause she's seeing her feelings for him in a bad light.
There can be two main characters, three, four, it doesn't matter. If they're shown often, theyre main and improtant to the main plot story. Hinata, per say, isn't. She's a background / filler character, but still important in the subplot department I guess. Sasuke is the main bad guy, Naruto is the main good guy, sort of like spiderman and that octopus dude. Sakura is his Mary Jane.

I wish I could see this manga the same way you do, without seen how Kishi destroying my two favorite characters.
Naruto caring for Sasuke more than what he care for Sakura is a big no no for me, he is giving the SasuNaru a big reasong to speet and us and SS spaming all the tay that she love him.
I think there will be a NaruSaku end, but the characters need to stop the Sasuke been all girls hottes guy and start caling him an idiot it will make more sense, Naruto need to stop thinking all the time about Sasuke, he is almost like Hinata.
They need to be more characters like A Raikage, Sai and Shikamaru that see Sasuke for what he his.
the story should be more about Sasuke thinking about Naruto, but he still wants to kill him, not all the way around.
not the good guy only caring about the his rival, but the rival don't give a kitten about him he don't care about him.
Give me a reason to like this Naruto agian so I can stop thinking that he love Sasuke and Kishi liking Sasuke more than Naruto.
Know you see why I hate Sasuke and SS, is because of the favoritism role he had on this story, plus he is destroying my two favorite characters and main characters (Hero and Heroine) of the story that make it even harder to understand and you cannot deny that.
Edited by donjoseph19, 09 December 2011 - 12:13 PM.
#7329
Posted 09 December 2011 - 01:53 PM
You think he would clear it up for good by now that Sakura doesn't love Sasule romantically that's why I believe that he was surprised that they asked him that question. Also NH fans disoriented the interview making it look that Kishi said" Hinata is a better heroine than Sakura" when it truth it wasn't him who said that but obviously the person who interviewed him (a NH fan obviously

Edited by Gravenimage, 09 December 2011 - 03:20 PM.
#7330
Posted 09 December 2011 - 04:22 PM
I did my best though
Romance spoiler
A question about Sakura
"Sakura had always been worried about Naruto, but her actions towards Naruto seem to have a different feel from before, she seems very anxious about Naruto...
How does she feel about Sasuke-kun?"
Kishimoto-sensei:
"As for Sakura... Sasuke... what about Sasuke? Naruto is close and she worries about Naruto as well, but as expected, she [loves] Sasuke.
Because of this, she acted quite haughty towards that guy.
She used Naruto's love for her and told him she loved him.
On the contrary.... I felt like depicting an honest girl, with a surprisingly stubborn impression.
So... she became such a character, but... well... from here on, maybe I should draw her showing a bit more spirit.
I figured I had placed her in a heroin-like situation
But from the readers I was told harshly that she wasn't heroin-ish at all
Perhaps I should show depict her a bit more like a heroin
Because you say 'Hinata Hinata,' I say 'She's not Hinata' "
The basic premise is: Sakura loves Sasuke more than Naruto. She hasn't been that heroin-ish, but Kishimoto-sensei will try to change that.
About Sakura:
"When I first saw her hugging Naruto, my heart beat throbbed a bit."
Kishimoto-sensei:
"Well, an unpleasant person is an unpleasant person, but the feeling I was trying to depict is that you could say "after this, [my opinion of her] has gone up a bit... yeah"
I find this in Naruto forums it was tranlated by the goy that translate the Manga spoilers '' he always close to the original manga'' the is a big difference between the interview we normaly see on the web.
If this is true Kishi will like to end this manga NS or Sakura Naruto alone.
He hate Sakura because she is using Naruto's love but he want to change that. to you guy this looks SS or NS
to be honest itlooks more NS to me.

Basically, though, the way I took that interview is that Naruto is important to Sakura, but Kishi was telling us that she still has feelings for Sasuke. Which is kind of the interpretation I took from the confession scene beforehand (that interview came out during the Kage Summit Arc). He didn't say anything about her not being in love with/have feelings for Naruto, the only thing he mentioned was her feelings for Sasuke. So that part of the interview wasn't really ground-breaking news, IMO.
I also like to note what was going in the plot when that interview came out. At the end of 482, Sakura tells Sasuke she wants to betray Konoha and join him. We now know that she was lying, and was planning to kill him, but just imagine how much of a cliff-hanger that would be if you had to wait a week for 483. Especially since Kishimoto just gave an interview saying that she still had feelings for him. I'm not saying that necessarily makes what Kishi said false, but it's certainly a valid reason for him to give that answer. Imagine if Kishi flat out stated that she had feelings for Naruto in that interview. In my opinion, that would drastically change what I would expect in between 482 and 483.
@Fenris: Kishi didn't flat out say it was true, but a lot of N/S fans like to think that his comment about her being an "honest but stubborn girl" was proof that she was being honest in that interview. I admit it's interesting that he would call a character who had just apparently lied to the protagonist "honest", but I don't really think it's proof of it being a truthful confession either. The point of the confession was to re-introduce Sakura's feelings for Sasuke into the plot, and the part where she denied having feelings for Sasuke was what Naruto called her out on. Nothing's really been stated concerning her feelings for Naruto since then, but it seems pretty obvious to me that her feelings for Naruto are beyond friendship.
I think it was a BIASED translation anyway by a hardcore NH or SS fan ciardha confirmed it
You think he would clear it up for good by now that Sakura doesn't love Sasule romantically that's why I believe that he was surprised that they asked him that question. Also NH fans disoriented the interview making it look that Kishi said" Hinata is a better heroine than Sakura" when it truth it wasn't him who said that but obviously the person who interviewed him (a NH fan obviously

Really?


Edited by Phantom_999, 09 December 2011 - 04:24 PM.
#7331
Posted 09 December 2011 - 07:52 PM
Well to be honest this interview compared to other interview in forums this looks more pro Sakura character and pro NaruSaku.
my assumption By Kishi saying Sakura is not Hinata, he is saying that he is tired of the Hinata heroine crap, the primise is that he wants to make Sakura more an heroine, heroine focus more and the main character.
and when they ask what about Sasuke he give us this feeling
"As for Sakura... Sasuke... what about Sasuke? lol
Gravenimage notice it and I think the same is like someone els Say Sakura love Sasuke and not Kishi himself
Each Voice actor asked questions to Kishimoto.
Nakaruma asked about what was upcoming with Sakura.
Kishimoto: "Honestly, from the standpoint of showing a female-like disposition she hasnt been much of a Heroine.You could even say Hinata is more of a heroine than her.But since, as we know, Sakura is a Heroine deep inside.She'll show that side of hers from now on"
Naruto's close.But Sakura loves Sasuke as we should expect from that speech. (why will Kishi say this to himself)
She's being haughty with Naruto using not so kind words agains Naruto.
Well Naruto is her friend and she doesn't want him to get hurt.
However her methods of doing so aren't very good.
It sound like kishi himself never said that she love Sasuke I think it was someone els.
Edited by donjoseph19, 09 December 2011 - 08:19 PM.
#7332
Posted 09 December 2011 - 08:37 PM
my assumption By Kishi saying Sakura is not Hinata, he is saying that he is tired of the Hinata heroine crap, the primise is that he wants to make Sakura more an heroine, heroine focus more and the main character.
and when they ask what about Sasuke he give us this feeling
"As for Sakura... Sasuke... what about Sasuke? lol
Gravenimage notice it and I think the same is like someone els Say Sakura love Sasuke and not Kishi himself
Each Voice actor asked questions to Kishimoto.
Nakaruma asked about what was upcoming with Sakura.
Kishimoto: "Honestly, from the standpoint of showing a female-like disposition she hasnt been much of a Heroine.You could even say Hinata is more of a heroine than her.But since, as we know, Sakura is a Heroine deep inside.She'll show that side of hers from now on"
Naruto's close.But Sakura loves Sasuke as we should expect from that speech. (why will Kishi say this to himself)
She's being haughty with Naruto using not so kind words agains Naruto.
Well Naruto is her friend and she doesn't want him to get hurt.
However her methods of doing so aren't very good.
It sound like kishi himself never said that she love Sasuke I think it was someone els.
Hmm.. You're right, this does seem more like Kishi is seeming Pro NS. C: Misunderstood it at first...
Edited by Fenris, 09 December 2011 - 08:42 PM.

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#7333
Posted 10 December 2011 - 04:48 AM
my assumption By Kishi saying Sakura is not Hinata, he is saying that he is tired of the Hinata heroine crap, the primise is that he wants to make Sakura more an heroine, heroine focus more and the main character.
and when they ask what about Sasuke he give us this feeling
"As for Sakura... Sasuke... what about Sasuke? lol
Gravenimage notice it and I think the same is like someone els Say Sakura love Sasuke and not Kishi himself
Each Voice actor asked questions to Kishimoto.
Nakaruma asked about what was upcoming with Sakura.
Kishimoto: "Honestly, from the standpoint of showing a female-like disposition she hasnt been much of a Heroine.You could even say Hinata is more of a heroine than her.But since, as we know, Sakura is a Heroine deep inside.She'll show that side of hers from now on"
Naruto's close.But Sakura loves Sasuke as we should expect from that speech. (why will Kishi say this to himself)
She's being haughty with Naruto using not so kind words agains Naruto.
Well Naruto is her friend and she doesn't want him to get hurt.
However her methods of doing so aren't very good.
It sound like kishi himself never said that she love Sasuke I think it was someone els.
No I meant the way it was translated at first some one put Sakura loves Sasuke and and is acting haughty towards Naruto, as in being more cold with him or something
#7334
Posted 11 December 2011 - 06:09 AM


Being all close together, and loving - then Sakuras tsundere side kicks in.

Edited by Fenris, 11 December 2011 - 06:10 AM.

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#7335
Posted 14 December 2011 - 04:00 AM

beats being at deviantart and reading all those dumb anti rants....

#7336
Posted 16 December 2011 - 12:34 PM
How do you guys think that Naruhina is the most popular pairing in west and do you think that there will be a Sasusaku moment before or after our waited Narusaku moment happen? discuss
#7337
Posted 16 December 2011 - 12:56 PM
How do you guys think that Naruhina is the most popular pairing in west and do you think that there will be a Sasusaku moment before or after our waited Narusaku moment happen? discuss
At this point I really don't know what's going to happen...I'm sure that there will be some kind of meeting between Sasuke and Sakura. What will happen? I don't know .
#7338
Posted 16 December 2011 - 01:30 PM
Well for one thing.. I do know that Sakura isn't going to go running into his arms and begging him to love her.

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#7339
Posted 16 December 2011 - 01:33 PM
my assumption By Kishi saying Sakura is not Hinata, he is saying that he is tired of the Hinata heroine crap, the primise is that he wants to make Sakura more an heroine, heroine focus more and the main character.
and when they ask what about Sasuke he give us this feeling
"As for Sakura... Sasuke... what about Sasuke? lol
Gravenimage notice it and I think the same is like someone els Say Sakura love Sasuke and not Kishi himself
Each Voice actor asked questions to Kishimoto.
Nakaruma asked about what was upcoming with Sakura.
Kishimoto: "Honestly, from the standpoint of showing a female-like disposition she hasnt been much of a Heroine.You could even say Hinata is more of a heroine than her.But since, as we know, Sakura is a Heroine deep inside.She'll show that side of hers from now on"
Naruto's close.But Sakura loves Sasuke as we should expect from that speech. (why will Kishi say this to himself)
She's being haughty with Naruto using not so kind words agains Naruto.
Well Naruto is her friend and she doesn't want him to get hurt.
However her methods of doing so aren't very good.
It sound like kishi himself never said that she love Sasuke I think it was someone els.
I believe the one who said Sakura loves Sasuke and that she's using Naruto's feelings wasn't Kishi but Nakamura. Chie Nakamura is Sakura's Japanese VA and she's a SS shipper obviously she will say such thing, but I believe she also likes the relationship between Naruto and Sakura I doubt she approves of NS though.
#7340
Posted 16 December 2011 - 01:36 PM
You know so much, Graven.


They do interviews, too? ( sakura's va)
I think it's quite obvious that Kishi is approves of NS.

Edited by Fenris, 16 December 2011 - 01:37 PM.

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