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#7321 kidNinja

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 01:27 AM

QUOTE (Qia @ Dec 28 2012, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2. Just because she wants Sasuke back doesn't make it romantic though. Even Naruto wants him back. And just because Kakashi, Sai, and Naruto make those comments doesn't mean it's exactly true.



Adding onto this, I recall during her confession that she flat-out said that she and only she determines how she feels.

Edited by kidNinja, 29 December 2012 - 01:30 AM.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 01:28 AM

QUOTE (zacrathedemon5 @ Dec 29 2012, 01:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bolded QFT


...oh. Wow. Uh. O..k..then.. well, if abusive relationships are... your thing, then I guess we can't really argue more at this point, that's just what you're into.. so.. sweatdrop.gif

Yep, I like dark and messed up relationships, in fiction only, of course. (Duh.) You just be glad I haven't told you what I ship in the Game of Thrones...

QUOTE (kidNinja @ Dec 29 2012, 01:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Adding onto this, I recall during her confession that she flat-out said that she and only she determines how she feels.

They were not trying to force Sakura into loving someone. They were speaking out about their observations on her. If you do not accept them as witnesses for the amazing and all around awesome SS, then out goes Yamato and Sai's comments on NS as NS canon hints as well.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 29 December 2012 - 01:32 AM.

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#7323 Qia

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 01:35 AM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 28 2012, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yep, I like dark and messed up relationships, in fiction only, of course. (Duh.) You just be glad I haven't told you what I ship in the Game of Thrones...


They were not trying to force Sakura into loving someone. They were speaking out about their observations on her. If you do not accept them as witnesses for the amazing and all around awesome SS, then out goes Yamato and Sai's comments on NS as NS canon hints as well.


*cough* Game of Thrones is a different story though sleep.gif. I understand that one tongue.gif (Jaime x Brienne 5ever tongue.gif)

And no. The thing with those NS hints is that, if Sakura is the only one that can state how she feels and she honestly believes she was telling the truth, then Yamato and Sai were right. Like I said before, Sai was going off what Naruto was stating about Sakura's feelings for Sasuke, while Yamato doesn't say anything about them and only wondered why she wouldn't tell Naruto about Konoha's plans for Sasuke.

Edited by Qia, 29 December 2012 - 01:36 AM.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 01:43 AM

QUOTE (Qia @ Dec 29 2012, 02:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jaime x Brienne 5ever tongue.gif

*stare*

love.gif !

Me too!

(I ship JaimexCersei, in a way, too.)



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And no. The thing with those NS hints is that, if Sakura is the only one that can state how she feels and she honestly believes she was telling the truth, then Yamato and Sai were right. Like I said before, Sai was going off what Naruto was stating about Sakura's feelings for Sasuke, while Yamato doesn't say anything about them and only wondered why she wouldn't tell Naruto about Konoha's plans for Sasuke.

And if Sakura loves Sasuke, then Naruto and co were right. I don't see the difference. Naruto and Kakashi have known Sakura for years, they saw her with Sasuke. They would know her love from her personal history and her actions to Sasuke. Sai, well, if he is only parroting Naruto, again, Naruto is a reliable witness to SS love.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 01:49 AM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 28 2012, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
*stare*

love.gif !

Me too!

(I ship JaimexCersei, in a way, too.)




And if Sakura loves Sasuke, then Naruto and co were right. I don't see the difference. Naruto and Kakashi have known Sakura for years, they saw her with Sasuke. They would know her love from her personal history and her actions to Sasuke. Sai, well, if he is only parroting Naruto, again, Naruto is a reliable witness to SS love.


Cersei needs to just...go. Sorry laugh.gif

You don't understand what I'm saying, do you? Sakura knows how she feels. She's stated that she loves Naruto, therefore she does. Chapter 540 is open to interpretation, and it's no huge secret that Sakura had loved Sasuke, and said person is currently, well, not a good person. And with her not being able to kill him, well it's not like they weren't comrades and that she'd spent so long with Naruto chasing after him dry.gif The problem with Naruto is that he's judging all of this based on how she was in the past (people can change, and feelings can change as well, especially if you had feelings for, say, a criminal who left you on a bench). Just because you know someone doesn't mean you can tell how they feel about someone though -.-. It's the same way Sakura didn't know Naruto loved her THAT strongly. Sure it was a playful crush at first, but she had no idea it had gotten that strong. Naruto's not reliable when it comes to Sakura's love for Sasuke at all. Only Sakura is.

Edited by Qia, 29 December 2012 - 01:53 AM.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 01:53 AM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 28 2012, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They were not trying to force Sakura into loving someone. They were speaking out about their observations on her. If you do not accept them as witnesses for the amazing and all around awesome SS, then out goes Yamato and Sai's comments on NS as NS canon hints as well.



Oh excuse me, how could I ever forget such romantic moments like the time Sasuke told Sakura she was one of the worst ninjas he's ever seen or the romantic gesture of slapping all of those apples she peeled and cut out of her hands. Oh wait, I better include the time he tried to cut her down at the beginning of Part II.

Oh but then you'll say, "kidNinja, how could you ignore the time where Sasuke tried to stab Sakura when she turned her back but of course, I should also mention Sasuke grabbing Sakura by the throat in an attempt to behead her.

But then you'll say, "kidNinja, I can't believe you forgot about 540."

Then I'll reply with "You are right Poisoned Coffee, Sakura did think of Sasuke surrounded in hellfire with a demonic look on his face. Her frown was the kind that warms the hearts of SS fans across the globe."

So you are right, how could I or anybody else NOT see the awesomeness of SS.

Edited by kidNinja, 29 December 2012 - 01:54 AM.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 01:56 AM

QUOTE (zacrathedemon5 @ Dec 28 2012, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bolded QFT


...oh. Wow. Uh. O..k..then.. well, if abusive relationships are... your thing, then I guess we can't really argue more at this point, that's just what you're into.. so.. sweatdrop.gif


That is the thing
I like NS since chapter 3 but there was a point where I thought Lee was better because Naruto was freaking annoying and like forcing himself to her at that point, later on when the relationship got better and Naruto start displaying his feeling in a more mature way plus Sakura overall personality change some point in part one and mostly part two then I started to like the pairing even more.

NH
Focus a lot on Hinata want's and not much on Naruto, I don't see the Natural relationship between them or anything is mostly NH should happen because Hinata loves him and she will do anything for him.

SS they just find the pairing cute and Sakura will make a perfect fit for the Uchiha future kids, I mean the most I see between SS is that sexual tension between the two character and it's more obvious when you look on their Fan art and Fantic.
People just find the pairing hot.

The big difference between the three pairings is that NS actually cares more about the two side and love their development and the way they both care for each other, NH/SS only see the romance and nothing else, clear example NH got a big hint over Neji's dead body and people cared more about the pairing even Hinata.

NS doesn't like a selfish Sakura or Naruto, that only thinks about what they want, we love the fact that they care about other and everything is not only about them, NS will hate Naruto's guts is he was a jerk to Sakura, doesn't respect her, does not give a kitten about her and most importantly if he try to kill her in multiple occasion.

SS
Doesn't care what Sasuke did only that he will make a perfect pairing for Sakura in their eyes.

NH
Doesn't care that Hinata doesn't seems to care about anyone else aside from Naruto, someone even ask if Hinata was aware of Naruto's feelings and many of the replies were, who cares Hinata doesn't give a kitten so why I should?

I cannot understand this behavior at all and why I cannot see those pairing in a positive light.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 02:01 AM

QUOTE (Qia @ Dec 29 2012, 01:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cersei needs to just...go. Sorry laugh.gif

You don't understand what I'm saying, do you? Sakura knows how she feels. She's stated that she loves Naruto, therefore she does. Chapter 540 is open to interpretation, and it's no huge secret that Sakura had loved Sasuke, and said person is currently, well, not a good person. The problem with Naruto is that he's judging all of this based on how she was in the past (people can change, and feelings can change as well, especially if you have feelings for, say, a criminal who left you on a bench). Just because you know someone doesn't mean you can tell how they feel about someone though -.-. It's the same way Sakura didn't know Naruto loved her THAT strongly. Sure it was a playful crush at first, but she had no idea it had gotten that strong. Naruto's not reliable when it comes to Sakura's love for Sasuke at all. Only Sakura is.

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No, not really, I don't think I get it. I think Sakura's confession was called into serious doubt and therefore we should assume that we don't know if she loves Naruto romantically. I also don't think ch 540 is unclear: it comfirms Sakura's romantic feelings for Sasuke. He is the only one she thinks about, Naruto is not even mentioned. Naruto could be stuck in the past, yes, but he also could be right in that Sakura still loves Sasuke. I also think that it is Kishi talking through Sai and Kakashi and Naruto. Thought obviously I can't prove this. They all explain the very complicated plot so the reader has some clue what the hell is going on. They shed light on Sakura's actions and why she is doing them, it looks like infodump to me. Sakura, I believe has shown her love for Sasuke thru her actions and toughts. She hasn't said "I love Sasuke forever" recently so maybe it has changed. I personally don't see reason to believe so, but it's possible.

QUOTE (kidNinja @ Dec 29 2012, 01:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh excuse me, how could I ever forget such romantic moments like the time Sasuke told Sakura she was one of the worst ninjas he's ever seen or the romantic gesture of slapping all of those apples she peeled and cut out of her hands. Oh wait, I better include the time he tried to cut her down at the beginning of Part II.

Oh but then you'll say, "kidNinja, how could you ignore the time where Sasuke tried to stab Sakura when she turned her back but of course, I should also mention Sasuke grabbing Sakura by the throat in an attempt to behead her.

But then you'll say, "kidNinja, I can't believe you forgot about 540."

Then I'll reply with "You are right Poisoned Coffee, Sakura did think of Sasuke surrounded in hellfire with a demonic look on his face. Her frown was the kind that warms the hearts of SS fans across the globe."

So you are right, how could I or anybody else NOT see the awesomeness of SS.

Sweetie, it's called a joke. I thought that was a very obvious joke. I have said many times that I don't think SS is only wonderful pairing with no flaws. I have even straight up said that it is dark, messed up, problematic pairing. You obviously have not read my posts since you think that I make excuses for SS. See, I don't really want to discuss with you since you make zero attemp to discuss with me. You are just too interested in telling me what I think. Do you think it at all possible that you might try to treat me and my opinions with some respect instead of dismissing and twisting my words? If it not possible, not a big deal or a great loss, but then maybe don't bother me at all? Because I have enjoyed talking to several people on this site, despite our differences, because they actually tried to see things from my POV without twisting my words. Think on this?


Now I have to go get some sleep. love.gif for Game of Thrones.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 29 December 2012 - 02:11 AM.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 02:14 AM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 28 2012, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My number one Cersei ship is CerseixHer sweet vengeance on everyone who has ever tried to mess with her, including that smartmouth dwarf little brother of hers. tongue.gif

No, not really, I don't think I get it. I think Sakura's confession was called into serious doubt and therefore we should assume that we don't know if she loves Naruto romantically. I also don't think ch 540 is unclear: it comfirms Sakura's romantic feelings for Sasuke. He is the only one she thinks about, Naruto is not even mentioned. Naruto could be stuck in the past, yes, but he also could be right in that Sakura still loves Sasuke. I also think that it is Kishi talking through Sai and Kakashi and Naruto. Thought obviously I can't prove this. They all explain the very complicated plot so the reader has some clue what the hell is going on. They shed light on Sakura's actions and why she is doing them, it looks like infodump to me. Sakura, I believe has shown her love for Sasuke thru her actions and toughts. She hasn't said "I love Sasuke forever" recently so maybe it has changed. I personally don't see reason to believe so, but it's possible.


NOOOO I LOVE TYRION!!!

And like I said it's open to interpretation. But if you basically want my view on it then: Here It's just the beginning. I used to watch lordofice's reviews as well so tongue.gif. But basically I don't believe that stuff about her being in love with him. Thinking of him as a comrade? Sure, why not? I'm not convinced at all with just that flashback. And let's just say if I did, as most NSers believe, they're not as strong as everyone thinks to me (I stated this already. And by everyone I mean real life, and Naruto in the manga. Because even Kakashi doesn't say anything. He even has that "sakura...you" when she hugs him during the confession). But yes that's basically my view point. I've already given my view on those thoughts being just a team 7 thing as well so.

Edited by Qia, 29 December 2012 - 02:18 AM.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 02:17 AM

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NOOOO I LOVE TYRION!!!

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 03:38 AM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 28 2012, 08:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He does. Sakura evolves from a girl who can barely stand Naruto into a girl who is willing to fight in a war with him, supporting him. She hated him in a childish way but now she loves him, but I don't think in a romantic way.

The only issue I have with that is that Sakura would just be like any other standard character if that's the case. Almost everyone found Naruto annoying and didn't have any type of faith in him. This story is meant to proven everyone of those people wrong. If Sakura was just meant to be like the rest then there was not point in making her be Naruto's love interest.

From my perspective just like Sasuke was meant to become Naruto's closest friend by the end I also think Sakura was meant to fully love him by the end. The story starts off with a rival that considers him a loser, a love interest that hates him, a teacher that thinks he's a fool, and a village that despises him. For the story to come full circle those thoughts should be reversed: the rival should consider him his closest friend, the love interest should be in love with him, the teacher should respect him, and the village should adore him.

So far everyone already supports Naruto and Kakashi has complete respect for him, the only ones left are his teammates: Sasuke and Sakura. On the other hand Hinata represents the magnitude of how far Naruto's influence on people has come. When she was introduced Hinata was the last person who would be able to do what she did in the latest chapter, but thanks to Naruto's influence she was able to face adversity head on.

If Naruto can give an extremely good reason for not loving Sakura anymore then it would be fine, but so far even with this chapter the general believe is that Naruto still loves Sakura and saying otherwise is just fooling yourself.

The reason I can't believe that Naruto can just go up and love Hinata is because he doesn't really have a reason to stop loving Sakura. If her loving Sasuke was a good enough then he would've moved on by the end of Part 1. So besides Sakura loving Sasuke, is there another reason for Naruto to stop loving Sakura? That's the question that I keep asking myself. There's also the fact that Naruto never gave indication of viewing Hinata as a romantic interest, but now he's gonna suddenly decide he should?

It's obvious that supporting someone is not a good enough reason to love, otherwise Sakura would already be in love with Naruto. If Naruto gives that as a reason it would only make him sound like Sakura did during her own confession. I mean, really, in order for Naruto to be shown as loving Hinata it needs to be explained why his love for Sakura is suddenly gone. And no, the "he hasn't thought about her in a romantic light in a while, his love is gone" is a very poorly thought excuse. This happened with many people's view on Sakura's feelings for Sasuke during most of Part 2, but then enters the Summit arc and it's brought up tenfold.

Sakura was actually given a scenario in which it would look reasonable for her to stop loving Sasuke, yet she still loves him. Naruto, on the other hand, is shown getting closer to Sakura as time goes by, further igniting his love for her. If Sakura is not capable of letting go of her feelings for Sasuke then I don't find it reasonable for Naruto to do it given that he has even less incentive to do so.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 07:53 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Dec 28 2012, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The only issue I have with that is that Sakura would just be like any other standard character if that's the case. Almost everyone found Naruto annoying and didn't have any type of faith in him. This story is meant to proven everyone of those people wrong. If Sakura was just meant to be like the rest then there was not point in making her be Naruto's love interest.

From my perspective just like Sasuke was meant to become Naruto's closest friend by the end I also think Sakura was meant to fully love him by the end. The story starts off with a rival that considers him a loser, a love interest that hates him, a teacher that thinks he's a fool, and a village that despises him. For the story to come full circle those thoughts should be reversed: the rival should consider him his closest friend, the love interest should be in love with him, the teacher should respect him, and the village should adore him.

So far everyone already supports Naruto and Kakashi has complete respect for him, the only ones left are his teammates: Sasuke and Sakura. On the other hand Hinata represents the magnitude of how far Naruto's influence on people has come. When she was introduced Hinata was the last person who would be able to do what she did in the latest chapter, but thanks to Naruto's influence she was able to face adversity head on.

If Naruto can give an extremely good reason for not loving Sakura anymore then it would be fine, but so far even with this chapter the general believe is that Naruto still loves Sakura and saying otherwise is just fooling yourself.

The reason I can't believe that Naruto can just go up and love Hinata is because he doesn't really have a reason to stop loving Sakura. If her loving Sasuke was a good enough then he would've moved on by the end of Part 1. So besides Sakura loving Sasuke, is there another reason for Naruto to stop loving Sakura? That's the question that I keep asking myself. There's also the fact that Naruto never gave indication of viewing Hinata as a romantic interest, but now he's gonna suddenly decide he should?

It's obvious that supporting someone is not a good enough reason to love, otherwise Sakura would already be in love with Naruto. If Naruto gives that as a reason it would only make him sound like Sakura did during her own confession. I mean, really, in order for Naruto to be shown as loving Hinata it needs to be explained why his love for Sakura is suddenly gone. And no, the "he hasn't thought about her in a romantic light in a while, his love is gone" is a very poorly thought excuse. This happened with many people's view on Sakura's feelings for Sasuke during most of Part 2, but then enters the Summit arc and it's brought up tenfold.

Sakura was actually given a scenario in which it would look reasonable for her to stop loving Sasuke, yet she still loves him. Naruto, on the other hand, is shown getting closer to Sakura as time goes by, further igniting his love for her. If Sakura is not capable of letting go of her feelings for Sasuke then I don't find it reasonable for Naruto to do it given that he has even less incentive to do so.


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 09:18 AM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 29 2012, 12:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just don't see how her love for Sasuke can be debated. I can see how you can believe that she will move on, sure she can. But that she might not love Sasuke and at the same time not see him as he is? I don't get it. I think those instances I listed are pretty certain evidence against Sakura having too good picture of Sasuke. Well, I think that Sasuke is definitely redeemable and am about 95% sure he will be redeemed. If Sasuke won't be redeemed and will go down wicked dark evil, then maybe Sakura and Naruto did have too rosy a picture of him. Have to see the whole manga before concluding that, thought.

Heart, mind, what? laugh.gif


I did say I'd leave it lacking any evidence in the Manga to back my point.

However seeing as you don't understand what I said I can see how you can't see that Sakura loving Sasuke is debatable. I'm curious as to how many of my fellow NS fans got what I was saying though.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 11:16 AM

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I don't know if I have any more win to post. We shall see. biggrin.gif

Also it's been a damn long time since anyone's called me cool. cool.gif To be honest I was just being me. A 19 year old with too much time on his hands. All I did was post what I think. No anger, no hate. Just accepting and understanding. Letting logic be my guide but not letting it rule my heart. An alternative bit of heaven and earth.

And that probably sounded pretentious but oh well. Anyway thanks for everyone's appreciation of my post. I feel all inspired and wanting to write some of my NS fics.

wow yeah, i look forward to it!! wow your 19! im only 14 lol

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 12:34 PM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 29 2012, 03:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
T XD, yes, it was cut off for a reason: Kishi didn't want to reveal too much at that time. Why? Because it would hint too much that NS will be canon, or because he was only misleading the readers? Something else entirely?

Bolded, you said it yourself and yes, it's true.

Think about it, which it's not hard at all, why would Kishi cut it off if he don't want to confirm something this soon and/or why would he cut it off in a middle of well known sentence for each reader that at least 90% is sure what he meant ?



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Posted 29 December 2012 - 04:37 PM

The debate is good and posts are better. But I want to know about the future of NaruSaku and what do you think?

If the NH happens:

Do you think we will not have a conversation Naruto and Obito having similarities Sakura/Rin?

What will happen with Naruto Vs Sasuke, what role will play Narusaku in that scene?

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#7337 Poison_In_Your_Coffee

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 05:06 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Dec 29 2012, 04:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The only issue I have with that is that Sakura would just be like any other standard character if that's the case. Almost everyone found Naruto annoying and didn't have any type of faith in him. This story is meant to proven everyone of those people wrong. If Sakura was just meant to be like the rest then there was not point in making her be Naruto's love interest.

Well, I guess I sort of see her as "just" one of Naruto's friends, as one of the standard characters you mentioned. I mean, she is a good and loyal friend, but Naruto has other good and loyal friends besides her. I have never seen NaruSaku bond as some extremely close and larger-than-life relationship, nor have I ever seen it as an epic friendship or love. I know that several NS shippers view it in this way, though. Personally I have never seen it this way. Hinata was the one who saw the potential in Naruto from the start. Maybe she is meant to be his true love because of this? And Sakura is "just" one of those friends of Naruto, just like Shikamaru, Gaara, Chouji etc. Chapter 573, IMO, made this same point: Hinata is the one who desires to be with Naruto, just she and him alone in a relationship. Sakura is the one happy to be just another friend of Naruto's who is there to support him.


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If Naruto can give an extremely good reason for not loving Sakura anymore then it would be fine, but so far even with this chapter the general believe is that Naruto still loves Sakura and saying otherwise is just fooling yourself.

It is possible that Naruto still loves Sakura and I expect some kind of resolution between them, maybe a talk or something. But I also am willing to consider the possibility that Naruto has since the summit arc slowly moved on from Sakura and now Kishi might be building NH on that clean slate.

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The reason I can't believe that Naruto can just go up and love Hinata is because he doesn't really have a reason to stop loving Sakura. If her loving Sasuke was a good enough then he would've moved on by the end of Part 1. So besides Sakura loving Sasuke, is there another reason for Naruto to stop loving Sakura? That's the question that I keep asking myself. There's also the fact that Naruto never gave indication of viewing Hinata as a romantic interest, but now he's gonna suddenly decide he should?

Hinata is a good and loyal girl and has been supporting friend and is in love with Naruto. She would be very tempting opportunity for him. Naruto did, in a way, give Sakura up when he did promise to bring Sasuke back. That was Naruto willing to step aside and spend his life without Sakura's (romantic) love. Maybe Naruto has realized that Sakura is too deeply in love with Sasuke and Naruto will never have a chance with her. Sakura has endured so much and yet still loves Sasuke. Her feelings seem like steel. If Naruto realizes this, he might consider moving on. Now Hinata stands out to him, since she has come out of her shell. Naruto could be only just now noticing her, finally, truly, and maybe he likes what he sees. Or NS will be canon and recent NH is red herring. What do I know? tongue.gif

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And no, the "he hasn't thought about her in a romantic light in a while, his love is gone" is a very poorly thought excuse. This happened with many people's view on Sakura's feelings for Sasuke during most of Part 2, but then enters the Summit arc and it's brought up tenfold.

It is not, IMO. It is a very good reason to suspect the possibility of Naruto having moved on. It would be, however, poorly thought to conclude that he definitely has done so. It is a possibility, not anything definite. When ch 539 came out, it was resonable to consider the possibility that Sakura had moved on from Sasuke because of the events of the summit arc. After ch 540, not so much.

QUOTE (T XD @ Dec 29 2012, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bolded, you said it yourself and yes, it's true.

Think about it, which it's not hard at all, why would Kishi cut it off if he don't want to confirm something this soon and/or why would he cut it off in a middle of well known sentence for each reader that at least 90% is sure what he meant ?

Sigh. He might have cut it off because he might have been misleading the readers. You can't at this point know which option is true.


QUOTE (Liu bie @ Dec 29 2012, 05:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If the NH happens:

Do you think we will not have a conversation Naruto and Obito having similarities Sakura/Rin?

Obito could notice the similarity between Sakura and Rin without it leading to NS, so maybe we will.

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What will happen with Naruto Vs Sasuke, what role will play Narusaku in that scene?

I would turn the question back at you:

What role would NS play in the confrontation between Naruto and Sasuke? What could NS contribute to Sasuke's bond with team 7?


Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 29 December 2012 - 05:11 PM.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 05:08 PM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 29 2012, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, I guess I sort of see her as "just" one of Naruto's friends, as one of the standard characters you mentioned. I mean, she is a good and loyal friend, but Naruto has other good and loyal friends besides her. I have never seen NaruSaku bond as some extremely close and larger-than-life relationship, nor have I ever seen it as an epic friendship or love. I know that several NS shippers view it in this way, though. Personally I have never seen it this way. Hinata was the one who saw the potential in Naruto from the start. Maybe she is meant to be his true love because of this? And Sakura is "just" one of those friends of Naruto, just like Shikamaru, Gaara, Chouji etc. Chapter 573, IMO, made this same point: Hinata is the one who desires to be with Naruto, just she and him alone in a relationship. Sakura is the one happy to be just another friend of Naruto's who is there to support him.



It is possible that Naruto still loves Sakura and I expect some kind of resolution between them, maybe a talk or something. But I also am willing to consider the possibility that Naruto has since the summit arc slowly moved on from Sakura and now Kishi might be building NH on that clean slate.


Hinata is a good and loyal girl and has been supporting friend and is in love with Naruto. She would be very tempting opportunity for him. Naruto did, in a way, give Sakura up when he did promise to bring Sasuke back. That was Naruto willing to step aside and spend his life without Sakura's (romantic) love. Maybe Naruto has realized that Sakura is too deeply in love with Sasuke and Naruto will never have a chance with her. Sakura has endured so much and yet still loves Sasuke. Her feelings seem like steel. If Naruto realizes this, he might consider moving on. Now Hinata stands out to him, since she has come out of her shell. Naruto could be only just now noticing her, finally, truly, and maybe he likes what he sees. Or NS will be canon and recent NH is red herring. What do I know? tongue.gif


It is not, IMO. It is a very good reason to suspect the possibility of Naruto having moved on. It would be, however, poorly thought to conclude that he definitely has done so. It is a possibility, not anything definite. When ch 539 came out, it was resonable to consider the possibility that Sakura had moved on from Sasuke because of the events of the summit arc. After ch 540, not so much.

So funny because he said he would confess to her after bringing Sasuke back, "how can i possible confess to her if i cant keep my promise to her" - the promise no longer exists.
And moreover, when Naruto think about his friends she's always first why? when he said to his mom he had a lot of friends sakura appears the first person he comes to his mind, so many whys.

And moreover Naruto still says "Sakura-chan"
Even on 615 he didnt called hinata as "Hinata-chan".

Yes based on nothing, just cause he said "she loves him too much" dude he knows that since the hospital scene, or even before, and still he told sai that he really loves her, does not make any sense he moved on from sakura based on off-screen arguments.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 05:15 PM.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 06:07 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 29 2012, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So funny because he said he would confess to her after bringing Sasuke back, "how can i possible confess to her if i cant keep my promise to her" - the promise no longer exists.

Isn't this just more evidence that Naruto may no longer have anything to confess? If the promise is now void, what's stopping Naruto from telling Sakura his true love? Don't get it.

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And moreover, when Naruto think about his friends she's always first why? when he said to his mom he had a lot of friends sakura appears the first person he comes to his mind, so many whys.

Yes, here she appears with the rest of Naruto's friends: http://www.mangapand...hapter-505.html. That is the one you meant, right? Aww, Sasuke has his own panel. Well, Sasuke's special.

Sakura always first? Which is totally why Naruto dropped the whole Sasuke business and came nicely back to Konoha when Sakura asked in the confession chapters.

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And moreover Naruto still says "Sakura-chan"
Even on 615 he didnt called hinata as "Hinata-chan".

Yeah, I've been meaning to write about the honorifics. They don't really work the way you think. Their use can be a sign of closeness, but not using an honorific can also be a sign of closeness. It all depends on the context. Also, number one important thing: do not learn how to speak Japanese from a manga. Manga has its own conventions that would not translate well to real life and person who speaks like a manga character would probably come across as very rude. It works other way, too: real life language doesn't necessarily dictate manga speech. Do you even speak Japanese?


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Yes based on nothing, just cause he said "she loves him too much" dude he knows that since the hospital scene, or even before, and still he told sai that he really loves her, does not make any sense he moved on from sakura based on off-screen arguments.

We'll see. love.gif
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 06:15 PM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 29 2012, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Isn't this just more evidence that Naruto may no longer have anything to confess? If the promise is now void, what's stopping Naruto from telling Sakura his true love? Don't get it.

War? Lack of a intim moment? did u see obito's flashbacks when he was going to confess to rin and he could not because he friends come and the moment didnt let him.


QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 29 2012, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, here she appears with the rest of Naruto's friends: http://www.mangapand...hapter-505.html. That is the one you meant, right? Aww, Sasuke has his own panel. Well, Sasuke's special.

Sakura always first? Which is totally why Naruto dropped the whole Sasuke business and came nicely back to Konoha when Sakura asked in the confession chapters.


He said there's actually one who give me a lot of Pain so ofc he would have to make sasuke with a personal panel, you just proved that she comes first on his flashbacks nice job


QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 29 2012, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We'll see.

I knew it, based on nothing.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 06:20 PM.

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