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[Shashank95]

 

How does this panel make them delusional?

 

The text looks like it's been edited..... She never said shanaroo in the translation i read.   

[LuckyChi7]

 

The text looks like it's been edited..... She never said shanaroo in the translation i read.   

 

It might be from mangastream 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Lol, got it. Season 2 will be just as epic (hopefully).

I'm pretty sure it will be. Especially chapter 50. They are suckers for that. Then again, many studios are, which I will be honest, as biased as it is, that I don't mind that much. Which is why it's stupid to see SP put a lot, only Kishi to swerve like a dumbass, but that's just me.

[Nar123]

No, I'm not arguing against manga panels, you used the wrong definition of the word "cornered". You're wrong. If you had literally read the rest of the chapter that you pulled the panels from, or read the following one, we wouldn't even be having this debate. 
 

spoiler

 
As shown by those panels, from chapter 399, Kurama attacked the village, which led to Minato's death, which led to the Uchiha being suspected, which led to them being forced to live in a corner of the village and closely monitored by the black ops (ie, being spied on). The third hokage was the hokage at the time, having taken over after Minato died. Why him and not Tobirama? Because Tobirama had long since been dead. The massacre was a direct result of the Kurama incident. 
 
There is your proof. Tobirama wasn't the one that used the police force as a way to spy on the Uchiha. Tobirama had nothing to do with the segregation of the Uchiha. Absolutely nothing. 

 

"Tobirama had nothing to do with the segregation..."

 

 

 

sure

 

 

 

 

And then later chapters gave this to us...

 

spoiler

 

 

Pay attention to how it says Tobirama's policy chased the Uchiha away

 

Now take this as a retcon or that Tobi was lying in the past (like he did with his true identity) but it's a fact that Tobirama's action segregated the Uchiha and strengthened Madara's supporters within the clan

[trang95]

 

"Tobirama had nothing to do with the segregation..."

 

 

 

sure

 

 

 

 

And then later chapters gave this to us...

 

spoiler

 

 

Pay attention to how it says Tobirama's policy chased the Uchiha away

 

Now take this as a retcon or that Tobi was lying in the past (like he did with his true identity) but it's a fact that Tobirama's action segregated the Uchiha and strengthened Madara's supporters within the clan

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[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

"Tobirama had nothing to do with the segregation..."

 

 

 

sure

 

 

 

 

And then later chapters gave this to us...

 

spoiler

 

 

Pay attention to how it says Tobirama's policy chased the Uchiha away

 

Now take this as a retcon or that Tobi was lying in the past (like he did with his true identity) but it's a fact that Tobirama's action segregated the Uchiha and strengthened Madara's supporters within the clan

 

And Obito did try to paint the Uchiha in a better light to try to sway Sasuke his way, like Madara did with him.

[AHK]

"Tobirama had nothing to do with the segregation..."
 
 
 

sure

 

 

 

 
And then later chapters gave this to us...
 

spoiler

 

 
Pay attention to how it says Tobirama's policy chased the Uchiha away
 
Now take this as a retcon or that Tobi was lying in the past (like he did with his true identity) but it's a fact that Tobirama's action segregated the Uchiha and strengthened Madara's supporters within the clan

How is it that you can say that Tobirama segregated the Uchiha when I just showed you a panel saying that they weren't segregated until after Kurama attacked the village? The only thing Tobirama is guilty of is helping to ostracize Madara himself, due to his entirely valid distrust of Madara. Tobirama didn't segregate the Uchiha, the original intent of the police force was to help the Uchiha and get them involved in the village.

[Nar123]

How is it that you can say that Tobirama segregated the Uchiha when I just showed you a panel saying that they weren't segregated until after Kurama attacked the village? The only thing Tobirama is guilty of is helping to ostracize Madara himself, due to his entirely valid distrust of Madara. Tobirama didn't segregate the Uchiha, the original intent of the police force was to help the Uchiha and get them involved in the village.

 

Just look at this

 

 

"Suceed in bluntly chasing them away to the outskirts of the village"

 

Now as I said it...

 

Now take this or as a retcon or that Tobi was lying in the past (like he did with his true identity) but it's a fact that Tobirama's action segregated the Uchiha and strengthened Madara's supporters within the clan

 

 

 

and Tobi himself says the police force was made with the intent of spying on the Uchiha more effectively

Edited by Nar123, 23 May 2015 - 06:49 PM.

[harry4e]

No, I'm not arguing against manga panels, you used the wrong definition of the word "cornered". You're wrong. If you had literally read the rest of the chapter that you pulled the panels from, or read the following one, we wouldn't even be having this debate. 
 

spoiler

 
As shown by those panels, from chapter 399, Kurama attacked the village, which led to Minato's death, which led to the Uchiha being suspected, which led to them being forced to live in a corner of the village and closely monitored by the black ops (ie, being spied on). The third hokage was the hokage at the time, having taken over after Minato died. Why him and not Tobirama? Because Tobirama had long since been dead. The massacre was a direct result of the Kurama incident. 
 
There is your proof. Tobirama wasn't the one that used the police force as a way to spy on the Uchiha. Tobirama had nothing to do with the segregation of the Uchiha. Absolutely nothing. 

 

You are wrong on the matter, Tobirama was the one that had the Uchiha placed away from the rest of the clans, he was the one that had them assigned as the Police force so their movements could be monitored, Tobirama never trusted the Uchiha, and wanted to monitor them, I wouldn't be surprised if Danzou's Ne was originally created the second hokage to spy on the Uchiha and other allies.

 

He all but admitted to it when he was revived, he never trusted the Uchiha, the Uchiha planning a coup was due to the distrust that happened between the Uchiha and the rest of the village. The thing is you couldn't deny it, a Uchiha was the one controlling Kurama, and they were all absent on that day. Obito had planned it that way, it was also hinted that he may have been responsible for feeding the fire on the Uchiha end, the way Itachi managed to find him implied that Obito had been in contact with th clan member, probably posing as Madara.

 

This is the problem with Kishi's work, he left too many loose ends, and contracted himself, that it's hard to make any concrete argument because you know there is going to be a counter argument in there somewhere because the work is so shoddy. If Kishi was a builder anything he'd builds would collapse within hours of completion.

[Nar123]

 

This is the problem with Kishi's work, he left too many loose ends, and contracted himself, that it's hard to make any concrete argument because you know there is going to be a counter argument in there somewhere because the work is so shoddy. If Kishi was a builder anything he'd builds would collapse within hours of completion.

 

 

[AHK]

 

Just look at this

 

 

"Suceed in bluntly chasing them away to the outskirts of the village"

 

Now as I said it...

 

 

 

and Tobi himself says the police force was made with the intent of spying on the Uchiha more effectively

 

 

You are wrong on the matter, Tobirama was the one that had the Uchiha placed away from the rest of the clans, he was the one that had them assigned as the Police force so their movements could be monitored, Tobirama never trusted the Uchiha, and wanted to monitor them, I wouldn't be surprised if Danzou's Ne was originally created the second hokage to spy on the Uchiha and other allies.

 

He all but admitted to it when he was revived, he never trusted the Uchiha, the Uchiha planning a coup was due to the distrust that happened between the Uchiha and the rest of the village. The thing is you couldn't deny it, a Uchiha was the one controlling Kurama, and they were all absent on that day. Obito had planned it that way, it was also hinted that he may have been responsible for feeding the fire on the Uchiha end, the way Itachi managed to find him implied that Obito had been in contact with th clan member, probably posing as Madara.

 

This is the problem with Kishi's work, he left too many loose ends, and contracted himself, that it's hard to make any concrete argument because you know there is going to be a counter argument in there somewhere because the work is so shoddy. If Kishi was a builder anything he'd builds would collapse within hours of completion.

 

Once again:

spoiler

The panels literally state, word for word: 

 

"Konoha's leaders suspected that an Uchiha was behind the (Kurama) incident. It was a natural disaster, not the Uchiha. But they were suspicious. They thought the Uchiha might be plotting a rebellion. After that the Uchiha were closely gaurded by Black Ops. They were forced to live in a corner of the village, and were basically segregated from the rest of the population."

 

Obito literally says here that the Uchiha were forced to live away from most of the village after Kurama attacked the village. Also, keep in mind the first bolded line, he lied to Sasuke. The majority of his speech was structured to paint the Uchiha in a more favorable light. Why? Because he was trying to incite Sasuke against Konoha. He omitted the fact that he attacked the village to make it seem absurd that Konoha would have any reason to attack the Uchiha. Everything he said was to make the Uchiha look innocent. The fact that you're trying to place his obvious skewed words over Tobirama'a is ridiculous, especially with all the inaccuracies in Obito's story, especially centering around Madara's actual history. 

 

Tobirama himself said that tried to give the Uchiha something that they would be good at, that would benifit both them and the village. Sasuke even called Tobirama out, he asked him if he hated the Uchiha, this was his response:

 

spoiler

 

 

Tobirama didn't hate the Uchiha, he was distrustful of them, but he didn't hate them. His best subordinate was Kagami Uchiha, Shisui's dad. Tobirama stated that the ones that stopped putting their clans above the village were some of the most loyal people in the village itself. Tobirama said that he was wary and distrustful of anybody that threatened the peace, regardless of clan. Orochimaru even said that Tobirama's plan backfired because "The ones that control crime tend to be disliked. Moreover, because of their authority, they tend to become conceited."

spoiler

That one line by Orochimaru tells everything. Tobirama trusted the Uchiha with power, and it wasn't enough. Tobirama said that he did it so that they might be content and that they didn't fall to Madara's ideals. Orochimaru's claim validates Tobirama's distrust, and the fact that the massacre initially started because the Uchiha were power hungry and weren't satisfied with the power they had. 

 

The only issue of location regarding the Uchiha under Tobirama was the placement of the headquarters of the police force, as it was the same place the prison was held. 

 

Tobirama had nothing to do with the relocation of the entire Uchiha clan into their own little corner in the village, that was done after the Kurama incident, it was not done under Tobirama's reign. Tobirama did not use the Police Force to spy on the Uchiha, he did it to help incorporate them into the village and avoid another Madara, it is literally stated that the Uchiha were monitored after they were suspected of using Kurama. I honestly don't know how much more clear it can get, so with this comment, I'm done arguing over it.

[Nar123]

You're wrong because you don't count Kishi's own ability to retcon things

 

Bu, ok then let's go

 

 

 

 

Once again:

spoiler

The panels literally state, word for word: 

 

"Konoha's leaders suspected that an Uchiha was behind the (Kurama) incident. It was a natural disaster, not the Uchiha. But they were suspicious. They thought the Uchiha might be plotting a rebellion. After that the Uchiha were closely gaurded by Black Ops. They were forced to live in a corner of the village, and were basically segregated from the rest of the population."

 

 

No, read it again. The Uchiha became the police force because it was a way to lump them together for better spy work

They were already being spied before the Kyuubi incident.

 

 

Obito literally says here that the Uchiha were forced to live away from most of the village after Kurama attacked the village. Also, keep in mind the first bolded line, he lied to Sasuke. The majority of his speech was structured to paint the Uchiha in a more favorable light. Why? Because he was trying to incite Sasuke against Konoha. He omitted the fact that he attacked the village to make it seem absurd that Konoha would have any reason to attack the Uchiha. Everything he said was to make the Uchiha look innocent. The fact that you're trying to place his obvious skewed words over Tobirama'a is ridiculous, especially with all the inaccuracies in Obito's story, especially centering around Madara's actual history. 

 

 

 

It's not like Obito was entirely truthful in his story, I mean he lied about his own indentity, he could've very well lied about why and when the Uchiha were segregrated or better yet, this was simply retconned by Kishi afterwards, by the panel you even put your argument later on no less where we have Orochimaru basically outright saying that Tobirama

"Suceeded in bluntly chasing them away to the outskirts of the village"

Yeah if that's not segregration I don't know what it is . Tobirama basically lumped them together to make the police force in which he would spy and as a side effect got the fact that the Uchiha were basically separated from the village, so basically it's Tobirma's fault one way or another

 

And let's be real here AHK, it would not be the first time Kishi retcons something. @Harry4e said everything in his last statement

 

 

 

 

 

Tobirama himself said that tried to give the Uchiha something that they would be good at, that would benifit both them and the village. Sasuke even called Tobirama out, he asked him if he hated the Uchiha, this was his response:

 

spoiler

 

 

Tobirama didn't hate the Uchiha, he was distrustful of them, but he didn't hate them. His best subordinate was Kagami Uchiha, Shisui's dad. Tobirama stated that the ones that stopped putting their clans above the village were some of the most loyal people in the village itself.

 

 

 

Yeah Tobirama totally wasn't biased towards the Uchiha 

 

lol

 

 

 

 

 

Nevertheless I'm not arguing if he hated them or not, I'm just saying that his actions were basically what led to the whole mess that was the Uchiha clan massacre

 

The second's hokage biased views made him unable to properly work together with the Uchiha as a whole except with the few individuals from the clan that were actively dedicated to the village itself. By creating the police force not as a honor but fot easier spy work he essentially alienated the Uchiha from the village and strenghtened Madara's supporters

Therefore what I'm saying is that Tobirama's actions shouldn't be excused from the events that caused the massacre, he is partly responsible for it,  without a doubt

 

 

 

Tobirama said that he was wary and distrustful of anybody that threatened the peace, regardless of clan. Orochimaru even said that Tobirama's plan backfired because "The ones that control crime tend to be disliked. Moreover, because of their authority, they tend to become conceited."

 

 

 

Yet, why he was so agressive towards the Uchiha when all of them were pretty content with the village?

Back when Hashirama was hokage pretty much the only Uchiha who was not entirely satisfied was Madara, just look at the fact that the clan refused to follow their leader after he ran away from Konoha 

Tobirama's words did match up with his actions

 

If it backfired or if it was his intent all along it doesn't matter. What matters is that it is a fact is that this policy of Tobirama basically shaped how the events would unfold in the future

 

 

 

 

spoiler

That one line by Orochimaru tells everything. Tobirama trusted the Uchiha with power, and it wasn't enough. Tobirama said that he did it so that they might be content and that they didn't fall to Madara's ideals. Orochimaru's claim validates Tobirama's distrust, and the fact that the massacre initially started because the Uchiha were power hungry and weren't satisfied with the power they had. 

 

 

 

 

How you managed to warp this panel is beyond me

Orochimaru is not validating Tobirama's distrust here, he is basically saying Tobirama's distrust and subsequent actions helped  bringing the Uchiha clan to their staged rebellion and subsequent downfall

"Under the pretext they would supervise the criminals you created the Police HQ in the same place as the prision, suceeding in chasing them to the oputskirts of the village...this also promoted Madara's supporters"

I seriously don't know where did you get that the Uchiha were ALL power hungry from here, the quote from Orochimaru basically says quite clearly that Tobirama was the one who segregrated them and this backfired specially because ti created what he didn't want to create, more Madara's supporters

 

Futhermore, the Police force was a way to take them away from having some kind of influence and for the black ops to make a better spy work on them due to the fact most of them would be grouped up together in one place

 

 

 

The only issue of location regarding the Uchiha under Tobirama was the placement of the headquarters of the police force, as it was the same place the prison was held. 

 

 

 

 

Well, look you acknowledged that, now please acknowledge that this is basically why they ended in the outskirts of the village (AKA segregrated) and why Madara's supporters gained strenght.

Tobirama basically kittened everything up with his distrust

 

 

Tobirama had nothing to do with the relocation of the entire Uchiha clan into their own little corner in the village, that was done after the Kurama incident, it was not done under Tobirama's reign. Tobirama did not use the Police Force to spy on the Uchiha, he did it to help incorporate them into the village and avoid another Madara, it is literally stated that the Uchiha were monitored after they were suspected of using Kurama. I honestly don't know how much more clear it can get, so with this comment, I'm done arguing over it.

 

 

Ayyy

You're clearly contradicting yourself, he chased them away to the outskirts (AKA segregrate) and this caused the whole mess along wiht his spy work and distrust of the clan, it basically said so in the panels, stop twisting the manga panels to fit your own views. 

What Tobi said before was either retconned or was a lie. More likely it was retconned because you know that's how Kishi rolls 

 

I also don't know how much more clear I can get when the manga itself speaks for me. I wouldn't like to argue anymore of this  eother but I'll probably will if you bother to try to answer yet again with more conjectures with the intent to try to take the guilt away from Tobirama for whatever reason smh

Edited by Nar123, 23 May 2015 - 10:01 PM.

[FireFox]

 Mini @Atheck is Born !!!   .

[Nar123]

 Mini @Atheck is Born !!!   .

 

 

 

 

[AHK]

You're wrong because you don't count Kishi's own ability to retcon things
 
Bu, ok then let's go
 

 
No, read it again. The Uchiha became the police force because it was a way to lump them together for better spy work
They were already being spied before the Kyuubi incident.
 

 
It's not like Obito was entirely truthful in his story, I mean he lied about his own indentity, he could've very well lied about why and when the Uchiha were segregrated or better yet, this was simply retconned by Kishi afterwards, by the panel you even put your argument later on no less where we have Orochimaru basically outright saying that Tobirama
"Suceeded in bluntly chasing them away to the outskirts of the village"
Yeah if that's not segregration I don't know what it is . Tobirama basically lumped them together to make the police force in which he would spy and as a side effect got the fact that the Uchiha were basically separated from the village, so basically it's Tobirma's fault one way or another
 
And let's be real here AHK, it would not be the first time Kishi retcons something. @Harry4e said everything in his last statement
 
 
 

 


 
Yeah Tobirama totally wasn't biased towards the Uchiha 
 

lol

 

 
 
 

 
Nevertheless I'm not arguing if he hated them or not, I'm just saying that his actions were basically what led to the whole mess that was the Uchiha clan massacre
 
The second's hokage biased views made him unable to properly work together with the Uchiha as a whole except with the few individuals from the clan that were actively dedicated to the village itself. By creating the police force not as a honor but fot easier spy work he essentially alienated the Uchiha from the village and strenghtened Madara's supporters
Therefore what I'm saying is that Tobirama's actions shouldn't be excused from the events that caused the massacre, he is partly responsible for it,  without a doubt
 
 
 

 
Yet, why he was so agressive towards the Uchiha when all of them were pretty content with the village?
Back when Hashirama was hokage pretty much the only Uchiha who was not entirely satisfied was Madara, just look at the fact that the clan refused to follow their leader after he ran away from Konoha 
Tobirama's words did match up with his actions
 
If it backfired or if it was his intent all along it doesn't matter. What matters is that it is a fact is that this policy of Tobirama basically shaped how the events would unfold in the future
 
 
 

 


 
How you managed to warp this panel is beyond me
Orochimaru is not validating Tobirama's distrust here, he is basically saying Tobirama's distrust and subsequent actions helped  bringing the Uchiha clan to their staged rebellion and subsequent downfall
"Under the pretext they would supervise the criminals you created the Police HQ in the same place as the prision, suceeding in chasing them to the oputskirts of the village...this also promoted Madara's supporters"
I seriously don't know where did you get that the Uchiha were ALL power hungry from here, the quote from Orochimaru basically says quite clearly that Tobirama was the one who segregrated them and this backfired specially because ti created what he didn't want to create, more Madara's supporters
 
Futhermore, the Police force was a way to take them away from having some kind of influence and for the black ops to make a better spy work on them due to the fact most of them would be grouped up together in one place
 
 

 
Well, look you acknowledged that, now please acknowledge that this is basically why they ended in the outskirts of the village (AKA segregrated) and why Madara's supporters gained strenght.
Tobirama basically kittened everything up with his distrust
 
 

 
Ayyy
You're clearly contradicting yourself, he chased them away to the outskirts (AKA segregrate) and this caused the whole mess along wiht his spy work and distrust of the clan, it basically said so in the panels, stop twisting the manga panels to fit your own views. 
What Tobi said before was either retconned or was a lie. More likely it was retconned because you know that's how Kishi rolls 
 
I also don't know how much more clear I can get when the manga itself speaks for me. I wouldn't like to argue anymore of this  eother but I'll probably will if you bother to try to answer yet again with more conjectures with the intent to try to take the guilt away from Tobirama for whatever reason smh

  

Once again:

spoiler

The panels literally state, word for word: 
 
"Konoha's leaders suspected that an Uchiha was behind the (Kurama) incident. It was a natural disaster, not the Uchiha. But they were suspicious. They thought the Uchiha might be plotting a rebellion. After that the Uchiha were closely gaurded by Black Ops. They were forced to live in a corner of the village, and were basically segregated from the rest of the population."
 
Obito literally says here that the Uchiha were forced to live away from most of the village after Kurama attacked the village. Also, keep in mind the first bolded line, he lied to Sasuke. The majority of his speech was structured to paint the Uchiha in a more favorable light. Why? Because he was trying to incite Sasuke against Konoha. He omitted the fact that he attacked the village to make it seem absurd that Konoha would have any reason to attack the Uchiha. Everything he said was to make the Uchiha look innocent. The fact that you're trying to place his obvious skewed words over Tobirama'a is ridiculous, especially with all the inaccuracies in Obito's story, especially centering around Madara's actual history. 
 
Tobirama himself said that tried to give the Uchiha something that they would be good at, that would benifit both them and the village. Sasuke even called Tobirama out, he asked him if he hated the Uchiha, this was his response:
 

spoiler

 
 
Tobirama didn't hate the Uchiha, he was distrustful of them, but he didn't hate them. His best subordinate was Kagami Uchiha, Shisui's dad. Tobirama stated that the ones that stopped putting their clans above the village were some of the most loyal people in the village itself. Tobirama said that he was wary and distrustful of anybody that threatened the peace, regardless of clan. Orochimaru even said that Tobirama's plan backfired because "The ones that control crime tend to be disliked. Moreover, because of their authority, they tend to become conceited."

spoiler

That one line by Orochimaru tells everything. Tobirama trusted the Uchiha with power, and it wasn't enough. Tobirama said that he did it so that they might be content and that they didn't fall to Madara's ideals. Orochimaru's claim validates Tobirama's distrust, and the fact that the massacre initially started because the Uchiha were power hungry and weren't satisfied with the power they had. 
 
The only issue of location regarding the Uchiha under Tobirama was the placement of the headquarters of the police force, as it was the same place the prison was held. 
 
Tobirama had nothing to do with the relocation of the entire Uchiha clan into their own little corner in the village, that was done after the Kurama incident, it was not done under Tobirama's reign. Tobirama did not use the Police Force to spy on the Uchiha, he did it to help incorporate them into the village and avoid another Madara, it is literally stated that the Uchiha were monitored after they were suspected of using Kurama. I honestly don't know how much more clear it can get, so with this comment, I'm done arguing over it.

This is all I'm going to do from now on^ the Uchiha were segregated after the Kurama incident, not before. Orochimaru is talking about the placement of the police force headquarters, which was in the same building as the prison, on the outskirts of the village. The clan wasn't located there until after Minato died. Like I said, I'm done.

[FireFox]

 

 

 

 

 

*sleeps peacefully now* 

[Nar123]

  
This is all I'm going to do from now on^ the Uchiha were segregated after the Kurama incident, not before. Orochimaru is talking about the placement of the police force headquarters, which was in the same building as the prison, on the outskirts of the village. The clan wasn't located there until after Minato died. Like I said, I'm done.

 

Okay okay, you're bound to your own mistaken POV so I'm not really bothering anymore

I ( and others) already explained and showed where you were mistaken. I'm done too

[harry4e]

 

 

 

Once again:

spoiler

The panels literally state, word for word: 

 

"Konoha's leaders suspected that an Uchiha was behind the (Kurama) incident. It was a natural disaster, not the Uchiha. But they were suspicious. They thought the Uchiha might be plotting a rebellion. After that the Uchiha were closely gaurded by Black Ops. They were forced to live in a corner of the village, and were basically segregated from the rest of the population."

 

Obito literally says here that the Uchiha were forced to live away from most of the village after Kurama attacked the village. Also, keep in mind the first bolded line, he lied to Sasuke. The majority of his speech was structured to paint the Uchiha in a more favorable light. Why? Because he was trying to incite Sasuke against Konoha. He omitted the fact that he attacked the village to make it seem absurd that Konoha would have any reason to attack the Uchiha. Everything he said was to make the Uchiha look innocent. The fact that you're trying to place his obvious skewed words over Tobirama'a is ridiculous, especially with all the inaccuracies in Obito's story, especially centering around Madara's actual history. 

 

Tobirama himself said that tried to give the Uchiha something that they would be good at, that would benifit both them and the village. Sasuke even called Tobirama out, he asked him if he hated the Uchiha, this was his response:

 

spoiler

 

 

Tobirama didn't hate the Uchiha, he was distrustful of them, but he didn't hate them. His best subordinate was Kagami Uchiha, Shisui's dad. Tobirama stated that the ones that stopped putting their clans above the village were some of the most loyal people in the village itself. Tobirama said that he was wary and distrustful of anybody that threatened the peace, regardless of clan. Orochimaru even said that Tobirama's plan backfired because "The ones that control crime tend to be disliked. Moreover, because of their authority, they tend to become conceited."

spoiler

That one line by Orochimaru tells everything. Tobirama trusted the Uchiha with power, and it wasn't enough. Tobirama said that he did it so that they might be content and that they didn't fall to Madara's ideals. Orochimaru's claim validates Tobirama's distrust, and the fact that the massacre initially started because the Uchiha were power hungry and weren't satisfied with the power they had. 

 

The only issue of location regarding the Uchiha under Tobirama was the placement of the headquarters of the police force, as it was the same place the prison was held. 

 

Tobirama had nothing to do with the relocation of the entire Uchiha clan into their own little corner in the village, that was done after the Kurama incident, it was not done under Tobirama's reign. Tobirama did not use the Police Force to spy on the Uchiha, he did it to help incorporate them into the village and avoid another Madara, it is literally stated that the Uchiha were monitored after they were suspected of using Kurama. I honestly don't know how much more clear it can get, so with this comment, I'm done arguing over it.

 

 

I don't understand where you get the part about the Uchiha being forced to live away from the village AFTER the Kurama incident. Think about how dumb that statement sounds first, an entire clan moving to the edge of the village, the same clan that is famous for being extremely prideful, it's the one thing that made Sasuke so unlikeable, his Uchiha pride that made him think he was better than others, do you really think that clan would move peacefully, the same clan that planned a coup a few years later. Obito never says they moved after the event, just that the clan was put under the microscope after the incident, which led to them planning the coup, Tobirama put them in the corner, but because they were given false sense of power they didn't argue however after the Kurama incident they realised that this power was fake and that it had been their prison all along.

 

Also why would you take Obito's word as gospel? We know he is lying in the pages you are quoting, Kurama attacking was not a natural disaster, it was a planned attack by him. he killed the Third Hokages wife, planted bombs on Naruto (Obito the cool person who tried to bomb a new born, according to the baby in question.) ,  to distract the hokage and kidnapped Kushina freed Kurama and hypnotised him to attack the village. He was telling us semi-truths in that statement to manipulate Sasuke.

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I don't understand where you get the part about the Uchiha being forced to live away from the village AFTER the Kurama incident. Think about how dumb that statement sounds first, an entire clan moving to the edge of the village, the same clan that is famous for being extremely prideful, it's the one thing that made Sasuke so unlikeable, his Uchiha pride that made him think he was better than others, do you really think that clan would move peacefully, the same clan that planned a coup a few years later. Obito never says they moved after the event, just that the clan was put under the microscope after the incident, which led to them planning the coup, Tobirama put them in the corner, but because they were given false sense of power they didn't argue however after the Kurama incident they realised that this power was fake and that it had been their prison all along.
 
Also why would you take Obito's word as gospel? We know he is lying in the pages you are quoting, Kurama attacking was not a natural disaster, it was a planned attack by him. he killed the Third Hokages wife, planted bombs on Naruto (Obito the cool person who tried to bomb a new born, according to the baby in question.) ,  to distract the hokage and kidnapped Kushina freed Kurama and hypnotised him to attack the village. He was telling us semi-truths in that statement to manipulate Sasuke.

It doesn't sound dumb at all, they were forced to move there to make it so they were easier to watch. It makes a lot of sense from Konoha's perspective.

Edited by AHK, 23 May 2015 - 10:45 PM.

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