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[trang95]

Nothing going on here, huh?

Guess, I'll go back to reading the Breaker to shut up AHK

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Nothing going on here, huh?

Guess, I'll go back to reading the Breaker to shut up AHK

[trang95]

You're not the one reminding me about catching up with the Breaker all the time XD

[NarutoUzumaki01]

You're not the one reminding me about catching up with the Breaker all the time XD

I actually intrested in your reaction in further actions of Shioon, but if you want me to force to read, I will 

[rikakim94]

Im starting to wonder if kishimoto is starting to sabotage his own work at this point.  

[tricksie]

Im starting to wonder if kishimoto is starting to sabotage his own work at this point.  

 

Yeah, I wonder that too.

[TouKen4Life3g]

To be honest, 2 is always my favorite number.

[sushi.]

Im starting to wonder if kishimoto is starting to sabotage his own work at this point.  

"If my plan is going down, the culprits are going down with me!"

 

Maybe?

[AHK]

Nothing going on here, huh?
Guess, I'll go back to reading the Breaker to shut up AHK

  
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Yeah, I wonder that too.

Ditto!!!

[luffyq1]

Im starting to wonder if kishimoto is starting to sabotage his own work at this point.  

why wonder now when the logic in this series has been going downhill for years. 

[Narufan85]

Thinking today how strange it was in the Last movie that they played up Hinata's knitting. They were really going out for girls with that ploy. It's a ninja manga, about fighting, and what is the biggest promotional prop?? A knitted scarf??
 
Why didn't they give out weapons, or gender neutral necklaces? No, knitting a scarf. So you have two avenues there: either girls wearing a red scarf (of any fabric), or targeting crafty girls who will then knit one for themselves and significant others. They've also created very easy cosplay costumes to recreate. 
 
All of this, all of it, goes against the traditional fan of the Naruto manga, 15-25 males. So either the audience began slowly shifting to include more women, or SP/editors began pushing for the manga to jump tracks and appeal to a different audience. 
 
And when I say audience, I mean those who are consistently buying copies of the manga as they come out. Not those of us who are reading it online, for free, etc. The core of that audience is 15-25 males. 
 
I still think the anime started driving the manga at some point, not the other way around. And maybe at the end, it was bringing in more money and held more clout over the manga story, so they went for the NH romance which was so heavily played up in the anime. I don't know.
 
At some point the decision was made to move Naruto from a male-centric to female, action-centric to romance, shonen to shoujo (is that right?). And the knitted scarf is just another overwhelming part of that shift. Why not publicity props that supported the Naruto or Sasuke or the main characters of the series? Nope. Hinata. The whole ending revolves around her.

A really interesting point. I wonder if the knitting was to reinforce Hinata's non-confrontational attitude. Moreover, I wonder if th trend will continue in part 3.

[AHK]

A really interesting point. I wonder if the knitting was to reinforce Hinata's non-confrontational attitude. Moreover, I wonder if th trend will continue in part 3.

I don't know if "non-confrontational" is the best phrase. "My sister's life is in jepoardy!...better knit a scarf!" isnt really non-confrontational as it is pathetic. She decided not to focus on her sister, as she needs all of her energy to force herself on someone who never loved her.

[RedFaction]

why wonder now when the logic in this series has been going downhill for years. 

You have to admit it was never this bad though.

[luffyq1]

You have to admit it was never this bad though.

themes being destroyed and characters acting ooc, only the movie just maximizes it. 

[RedFaction]

themes being destroyed and characters acting ooc, only the movie just maximizes it. 

The ending could have potentially saved it, but of course it only made it worse.

[TouKen4Life3g]

The ending could have potentially saved it, but of course it only made it worse.

That was the feeling I had..

[luffyq1]

The ending could have potentially saved it, but of course it only made it worse.

nah, the hole was too deep. 

[AHK]

nah, the hole was too deep.

I think it only became too deep during 699. I think that it could have been done right, but there were certain things that needed to happen.

[TouKen4Life3g]

nah, the hole was too deep. 

At what point?

[KnS]

Thinking today how strange it was in the Last movie that they played up Hinata's knitting. They were really going out for girls with that ploy. It's a ninja manga, about fighting, and what is the biggest promotional prop?? A knitted scarf??

 

Why didn't they give out weapons, or gender neutral necklaces? No, knitting a scarf. So you have two avenues there: either girls wearing a red scarf (of any fabric), or targeting crafty girls who will then knit one for themselves and significant others. They've also created very easy cosplay costumes to recreate. 

 

All of this, all of it, goes against the traditional fan of the Naruto manga, 15-25 males. So either the audience began slowly shifting to include more women, or SP/editors began pushing for the manga to jump tracks and appeal to a different audience. 

 

And when I say audience, I mean those who are consistently buying copies of the manga as they come out. Not those of us who are reading it online, for free, etc. The core of that audience is 15-25 males. 

 

I still think the anime started driving the manga at some point, not the other way around. And maybe at the end, it was bringing in more money and held more clout over the manga story, so they went for the NH romance which was so heavily played up in the anime. I don't know.

 

At some point the decision was made to move Naruto from a male-centric to female, action-centric to romance, shonen to shoujo (is that right?). And the knitted scarf is just another overwhelming part of that shift. Why not publicity props that supported the Naruto or Sasuke or the main characters of the series? Nope. Hinata. The whole ending revolves around her. 

 

To me, the knitting -- the choosing of a domestic, girly thing -- isn't all that surprising when Hinata was the focus.  

 

Weapons wouldn't make sense because Hinata is not a competent ninja.  She's really not much of a ninja at all, and throughout the story -- either the manga or the anime (I stopped watching it quite a while ago) -- she has been consistently characterized as a weak girl in way over her head.  She's always self-absorbed, never happy or confident in her life's path, and not capable of making the strides necessary to improve her performance.  

 

The movie further proves that there is no intention of changing these aspects about her; she's characterized, again, as a consistent failure who cannot demonstrate even the simplest ninja skills.  She has to be bailed out and saved, over and over, and her sole purpose is her single-minded focus on her feelings for Naruto.

 

Gender-neutral necklaces?  No need.  Hinata is not gender-neutral, and the rest of the characters don't matter.  They are/were merely window dressing to support her as she pursued her personal, life-consuming love story.

 

The thing I find interesting is that the franchise has sacrificed everything for what is, in my opinion, a thoroughly repellent character.  Again, the movie demonstrates that Hinata doesn't even care about her poor sister.  She's incapable of setting aside her own wants and feelings long enough to take responsibility for her endangered blood relative.  It's disgusting.

 

When you take it all together -- the cluelessness, incompetence, helplessness, and narcissism of Hinata along with the systematic downgrading and destruction of all the other characters in the service of making her love story a reality -- what does it say about the taste and motivation of the franchise operators?

 

Forcing the focus on a pathetic character who is so contrary to the original theme of the story results in a smoldering, toxic cesspool.  Now they're pitching a tent over it and selling it as a circus.