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[TouKen4Life3g]

Here is a question : Why didn't Sasuke accept Sakura's love , was it because he doesn't like her or because his clan was murdered ?

It's just not him. He doesn't love her and he is different from the two. He just don't feel that way. He cares, but never in love level. His story is about brotherhood love and that's just the way he is. He's like Slam Dunk rival guy. Just don't care about love, only one in mind.

[Inferno180]

Well this all mainly comes down to what I said before, if there is a sudden NS moment in 645 or eventually beyond (obviously) it depends who enacts the event.

 

If its Naruto to Sakura, its based on what we would expect from him or in the current situation, indirectly related to her but by the means of some MK or Obito-Rin reference or similarity.

 

If its Sakura to Naruto, it has to be unexpected, kinda like the offer to feed after he cheered her up or after he returned from beating Pain. If anything else, it would have to be Sakura doing something spontaneously or realizing and just doing more for Naruto than he would expect, a surprise surprise moment. Heck a foreseeable one is after this fight if she does something after the situation like in pain, obviously there will be one at the end of the Naruto vs Sasuke fight. In the focus right now, it depends on herself and could also depend on input from others like Sai or Tsunade (later on).

[morgaine4]

I wanted to bring up a question here to ask cuz I have been curious about it lately. I want to know how the sasusaku pairing at this point considering how dead it is ATM could be brought back to life and made into a legitimate pairing again.

Do you guys think there is a way for kishi to go at it without it being a complete asspull on both Sakura to forgive sasuke and for Sasuke to suddenly show a romantic side for Sakura? Or is it way too far deep and it can't be brought back to a legitimate pairing anymore ?

 

This manga has always been about Naruto's journey as he overcomes being extremely under-estimated/ridiculed, struggles, challenges, and barriers to attain his dreams --even the dreams that he might willing to let go of for the sake of someone else's dreams.  SS, or rather Sakura's feelings for Sasuke, is the challenge facing Naruto's desire to be with Sakura.  NH lacks challenge from Naruto's perspective, it would be way too easy for Naruto to be with Hinata (no, I'm not calling Hinata easy, I'm not slut-shaming the character) as Hinata was Naruto's first devotee (but then again, it's the fact that she is his devotee that has doomed that pairing, writers tend to want their heroes' love interests to be on an equal level with them, especially in stories such as these).  Frankly as written, SS and NH never had a real chance.  The story could have been more complex, but Kishimoto purposefully avoided inserting certain necessary requirements for them to happen such as an exploration of possible romantic feelings Sasuke could have for Sakura, giving Hinata growth that didn't involved her focus on Naruto (that specifically involved her place as a Hyuuga, her finding her own strength not in terms of combat, but in terms of compassion for instance) which could potentially attract Naruto.  Out of NS, SS, NH it was always NS, mayyyyybe and open ending, or mayyyyyybe a random pairing, and Naruto feelings always outweighed both Sakura and Hinata's feelings (if Naruto's feelings change and he realizes that he loves Temari, then chances are NT would become endgame, lol), because he's the titular character, because this manga is written for young children, because Naruto is the child of prophecy etc etc.  (And this isn't bias, this is how I felt before I considered NS shippable, and I only decided this pairing is shippable after Naruto and Sakura's interaction at the end of 631).

Edited by morgaine4, 31 August 2013 - 10:55 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

This manga has always been about Naruto's journey as he overcomes being extremely under-estimated/ridiculed, struggles, challenges, and barriers to attain his dreams --even the dreams that he might willing to let go of for the sake of someone else's dreams.  SS, or rather Sakura's feelings for Sasuke, is the challenge facing Naruto's desire to be with Sakura.  NH lacks challenge from Naruto's perspective, it would be way too easy for Naruto to be with Hinata (no, I'm not calling Hinata easy, I'm not slut-shaming the character) as Hinata was Naruto's first devotee (but then again, it's the fact that she is his devotee that has doomed that pairing, writers tend to want their heroes' love interests to be on an equal level with them, especially in stories such as these).  Frankly as written, SS and NH never had a real chance.  The story could have been more complex, but Kishimoto purposefully avoided inserting certain necessary requirements for them to happen such as an exploration of possible romantic feelings Sasuke could have for Sakura, giving Hinata growth that didn't involved her focus on Naruto (that specifically involved her place as a Hyuuga, her finding her own strength not in terms of combat, but in terms of compassion for instance) which could potentially attract Naruto.  Out of NS, SS, NH it was always NS, mayyyyybe and open ending, or mayyyyyybe a random pairing, and Naruto feelings always outweighed both Sakura and Hinata's feelings (if Naruto's feelings change and he realizes that he loves Temari, then chances are NT would become endgame, lol), because he's the titular character, because this manga is written for young children, because Naruto is the child of prophecy etc etc.  (And this isn't bias, this is how I felt before I considered NS shippable, and I only decided this pairing is shippable after Naruto and Sakura's interaction at the end of 631).

Sakura = Kushina parallel and Kishi touched too much on the romance thing to give an open ending plus Sakura development romantic wise which takes an huge part of her development, Sakura only took 1 chapter to develop her character power-level wise and other stuff but most of the manga we have a lot of Sakura hints and romance conflict to a point that it's kinda obvious that he will resolve Sakura's character on the romance subject.

I dont believe on an open-ending because of that, i wont even touch on the previous parallels which made romance a big thing.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 31 August 2013 - 11:44 PM.

[morgaine4]

I don't think an open ending is likely either, but it's far more likely than NH, SS, N-with any other random person, S-with any other random person.

 

Honestly, based on Kishimoto's vision and intentions for this story, based on his desires for Naruto the character NS was always inevitable.

 

Sakura = Kushina parallel and Kishi touched too much on the romance thing to give an open ending plus Sakura development romantic wise which takes an huge part of her development, Sakura only took 1 chapter to develop her character power-level wise and other stuff but most of the manga we have a lot of Sakura hints and romance conflict to a point that it's kinda obvious that he will resolve Sakura's character on the romance subject.

I dont believe on an open-ending because of that, i wont even touch on the previous parallels which made romance a big thing.

 

Regarding the bolded, there's still a lot of room to develop her power, at the very minimum she needs to release her seal, and hopefully her seal has capabilities beyond (and unrelated to) Tsunade's seal.

 

(I've said this before elsewhere and on tumblr, and I'm sorry if it has been noted in here but isn't interesting that all the known Uzumaki significant others have benefited greatly using Uzumaki sealing techniques?  Hashirama got an edge over Madara because of Mito's knowledge of sealing techniques and her ability to seal Kurama into her body, Minato's signature move is was developed by Tobirama, yes but is based on Uzumaki seals, and now the symbol of Sakura's strength is her seal, which is most probably derived from Uzumaki techniques, even if Tsunade's seal is unrelated to her grandmother's, chances are she derived the technique from her knowledge of her own Uzumaki heritage.  This is pretty subtle and sly by Kishimoto's standards...LOL).

[Superman333]

 

This manga has always been about Naruto's journey as he overcomes being extremely under-estimated/ridiculed, struggles, challenges, and barriers to attain his dreams --even the dreams that he might willing to let go of for the sake of someone else's dreams.  SS, or rather Sakura's feelings for Sasuke, is the challenge facing Naruto's desire to be with Sakura.  NH lacks challenge from Naruto's perspective, it would be way too easy for Naruto to be with Hinata (no, I'm not calling Hinata easy, I'm not slut-shaming the character) as Hinata was Naruto's first devotee (but then again, it's the fact that she is his devotee that has doomed that pairing, writers tend to want their heroes' love interests to be on an equal level with them, especially in stories such as these).  Frankly as written, SS and NH never had a real chance.  The story could have been more complex, but Kishimoto purposefully avoided inserting certain necessary requirements for them to happen such as an exploration of possible romantic feelings Sasuke could have for Sakura, giving Hinata growth that didn't involved her focus on Naruto (that specifically involved her place as a Hyuuga, her finding her own strength not in terms of combat, but in terms of compassion for instance) which could potentially attract Naruto.  Out of NS, SS, NH it was always NS, mayyyyybe and open ending, or mayyyyyybe a random pairing, and Naruto feelings always outweighed both Sakura and Hinata's feelings (if Naruto's feelings change and he realizes that he loves Temari, then chances are NT would become endgame, lol), because he's the titular character, because this manga is written for young children, because Naruto is the child of prophecy etc etc.  (And this isn't bias, this is how I felt before I considered NS shippable, and I only decided this pairing is shippable after Naruto and Sakura's interaction at the end of 631).

you made alot of good points to me especially the fact that Naruto wouldn't have to work to be with Hinata like he worked to be with Sakura . 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I don't think an open ending is likely either, but it's far more likely than NH, SS, N-with any other random person, S-with any other random person.

 

Honestly, based on Kishimoto's vision and intentions for this story, based on his desires for Naruto the character NS was always inevitable.

 

 

Regarding the bolded, there's still a lot of room to develop her power, at the very minimum she needs to release her seal, and hopefully her seal has capabilities beyond (and unrelated to) Tsunade's seal.

 

(I've said this before elsewhere and on tumblr, and I'm sorry if it has been noted in here but isn't interesting that all the known Uzumaki significant others have benefited greatly using Uzumaki sealing techniques?  Hashirama got an edge over Madara because of Mito's knowledge of sealing techniques and her ability to seal Kurama into her body, Minato's signature move is was developed by Tobirama, yes but is based on Uzumaki seals, and now the symbol of Sakura's strength is her seal, which is most probably derived from Uzumaki techniques, even if Tsunade's seal is unrelated to her grandmother's, chances are she derived the technique from her knowledge of her own Uzumaki heritage.  This is pretty subtle and sly by Kishimoto's standards...LOL).

Unfortunately there's not, powerups development comes to give character development, Sakura feels that she's strong and already catch up with Naruto and Sasuke, giving her more powerup wont give her more development.

 

Also if i remember, Sakura concept is about a normal girl, i dont think he's going to break this concept to give her more development, i like her the way she is because she's the strongest kunoich on konoha and doesnt have an special heritage.

I believe that she's a normal girl and doesnt come from a clan or has senju heritage.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 01 September 2013 - 01:00 AM.

[morgaine4]

I agree that Sakura's not from a special clan, and I don't want her to be, but her abilities haven't been fully explored yet.  We know that she has her seal, but until we find out the full capacity of her seal her abilities as a medical kunoichi, and her development as a medical kunoichi isn't finished.

[HauntedCake]

tbh thinking about it i highly doubt there will be any romance in 645, theres just no room for it until jubito is dead.

[arian_rad]

tbh thinking about it i highly doubt there will be any romance in 645, theres just no room for it until jubito is dead.

Honestly I'm thinking the same way as you. However, it doesn't have to be romance but it can be something that solidifies it even more. Last chapter talked about how Naruto knows what Minato and Kushina both wanted to say so the only way I see anything happening is if Minato brings up the fact that Naruto even found a girl like his mom ( which I highly doubt will happen) and naruto just responds by saying "I guess I did"

[Psychox]

It's just not him. He doesn't love her and he is different from the two. He just don't feel that way. He cares, but never in love level. His story is about brotherhood love and that's just the way he is. He's like Slam Dunk rival guy. Just don't care about love, only one in mind.

Yes , i know , but it feels like SS is just giving excuses to the guy just like Kishi gave to all the Uchihas..
 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Here is a question : Why didn't Sasuke accept Sakura's love , was it because he doesn't like her or because his clan was murdered ?

Because he doesnt love her, i'm not like the others who only say "he doenst love her" and doesnt point out why.

 

The fact that he doesnt love her is that, his bond with her was the easiest for him to break, if he loved her, would be extremely difficult for him to cut his bond with her, but was rather easy and something that he doesnt cherish, unlike with Naruto whom he cared.

When you compare his bond with Naruto and with his bond with Sakura you get the answer why he doesnt love her, Sasuke already broke his bond with her and the only bond who still exist for him it's his bond with Naruto which holds his bond with team 7.

 

Looking deep he never saw Sakura individually but only as a member of team 7, currently the answer is there when he said "i'll erase my past by killing him", He has a strong bond with Naruto.

[Psychox]

Because he doesnt love her, i'm not like the others who only say "he doenst love her" and doesnt point out why.

 

The fact that he doesnt love her is that, his bond with her was the easiest for him to break, if he loved her, would be extremely difficult for him to cut his bond with her, but was rather easy and something that he doesnt cherish, unlike with Naruto whom he cared.

When you compare his bond with Naruto and with his bond with Sakura you get the answer why he doesnt love her, Sasuke already broke his bond with her and the only bond who still exist for him it's his bond with Naruto which holds his bond with team 7.

 

Looking deep he never saw Sakura individually but only as a member of team 7, currently the answer is there when he said "i'll erase my past by killing him", He has a strong bond with Naruto.

That's what i told her too and she stopped replying


The only person influencing Sasuke even changing his heart and goals was Naruto because he let him in his heart and this is stated when Oro and Kabuto had a chat after the second chuunin exam. They aimed to separate them just for that reason (narusasu shippers would rejoice ^^). That’s why ” she filled his lonely existence” doesn’t add up , since he never let her in , but did so with Naruto.
The only people important to Sasuke and are in his heart are Itachi->Naruto->Karin(more or less ).

[TouKen4Life3g]

Honestly, chapter 619 gave it away that his story involves in brotherhood love. Funny, because that chapter would have gave the reason that Sasuke is in love, but then got spoiled when Tobirama compared him to Madara with his brothers, so in the end, it's all around love. For Sasuke, it's brotherhood. Misfired.

You know, this week could be a great week for me. Labor Day (BBQ), promotion (?), guy is about to review the last Airbender, which I can't wait for him to tear a new one, new Naruto episode with BM, new chapter that is heavily rumored with NS or something that makes NS a clear winner, and many more. I can't wait!

[Dalton.T.R]

^ I'm gonna laugh if something NS related actually does happen lol. Wish I could be that good at predicting the future XD

[Superman333]

^ I'm gonna laugh if something NS related actually does happen lol. Wish I could be that good at predicting the future XD

I got a feeling it will happen. Must be a reason why that person chose 645 out of all chapters ...

[Dalton.T.R]

I got a feeling it will happen. Must be a reason why that person chose 645 out of all chapters ...

Wish I could find out where this rumor originated from...

 

What if the person who started this rumor was actually Kishi?

Edited by Dalton (I stink at names), 01 September 2013 - 01:49 PM.

[Psychox]

^I still want it to come a few chapters later even though its building up rapidly since 631 came out , just to prolong the drama and suspense and of course i want to see some certain shippers from the opposite camps reactions .

[Superman333]

^I still want it to come a few chapters later even though its building up rapidly since 631 came out , just to prolong the drama and suspense and of course i want to see some certain shippers from the opposite camps reactions .

yeah i don't want it to come to early unless Kishi got a lot more NS moments in store for us . 

[Superman333]

Wish I could find out where this rumor originated from...

 

What if the person who started this rumor was actually Kishi?

nawl I don't think Kishi would do that being that he likes to surprise us but who knows it might be one of his editors .