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[mone_]

You guys are biased to. Comon guys you all can understand this. It's so easy for you to figure out what is going to happen in the
end, but when it comes to something other than what you want you can't do that. Why is that? The fact is, I repeat, the FACT is
that Kishimoto HAS been building NaruHina lately, but wait I am not finished yet. It might be as easy as this. Kishi is just making
it cannon, and it is about time that your diehard NaruSaku fans accept, that this might happen.

Regarding building up NaruHina lately - Kishimoto has been building up NaruSaku from the early chapters (if you consider the fact that Hinata admired Naruto's hand a NH building up, then I'm considering Naruto admiring Sakura a NS building up)

We accept the possibilities. Yeah, this chapter is definitely the biggest Hinata and Naruto's bond development. But Naruto and Sakura's bond is just ridiculously stronger and MORE developed, so the fact that we believe in NS even after this chapter doesn't make us blindly, stupidly 'diehard'.

We need to be reminded because he just grabbed Hinatas hand in a romantical way. That's why. And please don't even go saying, "Oh well, it wasn't romantical. He was just supporting a friend blah blah" Comon, please don't even go there. If it was Sakuras hand he grabbed you would be celibrating NaruSaku Cannon right now.

You asked not to do that, but I'm still going to say: IT WAS NOT ROMANTICAL. It happened in the middle of war, moments after his dear comrade Neji died, and Naruto had to take Hinata's hand off his cheek to channel her some chakra. Has he blushed? Has he looked at her affectionately? Has he at looked at her boobs? No? Then how in the ninja world is it romantic?

I'm sorry if it seems like I'm targeting you, I'm just exasperated at the NS fans giving up hope for no big reason.

Edited by mone_, 27 December 2012 - 08:29 PM.

[PhenixElite]

I'm sorry if it seems like I'm targeting you, I'm just exasperated at the NS fans giving hope for no big reason.

HAHAHA! i Know that feeling exactly.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Like Sakura ? not thinking about Sasuke during the majority of part 2 and then suddenly she loves him so much. It should be clear by now if someone changes his feelings it will be on panel.
Too much Naruto for me in one day, gonna take a rest.

The difference would be, as I see it, that Sakura's feelings got a reminder in ch 540. So that's something. Unlike Naruto, Sakura has never been as prominent. How many appearances did she make during the period from the end of the summit arc to this arc? In her few appearances Kishi included a confirmation that she still loves Sasuke. But ultimately I agree. We need on-panel confirmation that Naruto has moved on from Sakura. And that we don't yet have.

[kidNinja]

The difference would be, as I see it, that Sakura's feelings got a reminder in ch 540. So that's something. Unlike Naruto, Sakura has never been as prominent. How many appearances did she make during the period from the end of the summit arc to this arc? In her few appearances Kishi included a confirmation that she still loves Sasuke. But ultimately I agree. We need on-panel confirmation that Naruto has moved on from Sakura. And that we don't yet have.

I'm surprised you haven't called some more of your NH/SS buddies to come here yet.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

I'm surprised you haven't called some more of your NH/SS buddies to come here yet.

Sorry to annoy you.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Sorry to annoy you.

I would be sad if i were you, even if NH became canon it wont be better than NS, this moment was forced, strange and bizarre.

You're just shipping NH because of Hinata, and there's no other reason, it's not even a good romantic story.
(NS is a matter of two people, include development for two both naruto and sakura, there were any asspull moments.) NH is depends just of hinata and some asspull.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 December 2012 - 09:05 PM.

[Weltall]

The difference would be, as I see it, that Sakura's feelings got a reminder in ch 540. So that's something. Unlike Naruto, Sakura has never been as prominent. How many appearances did she make during the period from the end of the summit arc to this arc? In her few appearances Kishi included a confirmation that she still loves Sasuke. But ultimately I agree. We need on-panel confirmation that Naruto has moved on from Sakura. And that we don't yet have.

You completely missed my point I'm talking before the kage summit arc.

[kirabook]

Let's not tell other people why THEY'RE shipping something, as if you really know. :/

[PhenixElite]

Let's not tell other people why THEY'RE shipping something, as if you really know. :/

Im not wondered. People are getting pissed here and other pairing fans comments dont make it better. Sure But if i was you guys, i would just ingnore it, The last words will be spoken after the final chaper.
Till the end there is no canon.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

You completely missed my point I'm talking before the kage summit arc.

Yes, but things change. Naruto might have liked Sakura before but maybe he has moved on since the summit arc. We don't know for sure as it has not been confirmed one way or the other.

I actually ship only SS. I like NH but don't really go for pairings that are this sweet and nice. I like angst. And I don't even think that NH is canon yet.

[Haaky]

Yes, but things change. Naruto might have liked Sakura before but maybe he has moved on since the summit arc. We don't know for sure as it has not been confirmed one way or the other.

I actually ship only SS. I like NH but don't really go for pairings that are this sweet and nice. I like angst. And I don't even think that NH is canon yet.

It's good to have someone here who ain't biased.

[Smiter]

Guys, remember to treat each other with respect in this thread. Other pairings fans are welcome to post here, and I would like to see nice and clean debates based on what we can see in the manga.

I know that emotions have been running high, but that's no excuse to make digs at fandoms you may not agree with. We mods will be keeping an eye on everything.

Thanks.

[Weltall]

Yes, but things change. Naruto might have liked Sakura before but maybe he has moved on since the summit arc. We don't know for sure as it has not been confirmed one way or the other.

I actually ship only SS. I like NH but don't really go for pairings that are this sweet and nice. I like angst. And I don't even think that NH is canon yet.

Ok i think there's a misundersansting here you said the fact naruto's feelings are not broutht up constantly may mean he's over Sakura, and i told you sakura's feelings for sasuke have not been emphasized before the kage summit arc yet they were brought up again and since then. For a pairing to happen someone's feelings have to change and it will be done on panel. For nh to happen Naruto's feelings will have to be resolved first. It's not because they are not constantly brought up that they are not there, Sakura is a fine example of that.

[swagosaurus]

Naruto's feelings being reassured at this point would destroy NH. There's a reason they're ambiguous.

It's clear Kishi hasn't just forgotten about Naruto's feelings; RtN had tons of teases. It's in his mind. Like someone in the 615 thread said, Kishi's doing a narrative feint, something he's already done multiple times before.

Honestly, 615 didn't bother me. Hinata's character redeemed itself in my eyes. I'm a little pertubed at how much screentime she's getting, but meh. It'll all be good.

Remember the pein arc? She confessed and jumped in to save him. Then we got a huge NS moment at the end. I just hate the huge wait between chapters

[Mathiasosx]

Hi. Finally making use of this account.

Having read ch 615 for a moment I was worried for NS. Then I read the chapter over again carefully. Thinking about the past in the manga and what just transpired. Now I'm not worried. Here's why.

1. Kishimoto has a habit of playing his fanbase. The Pain arc and following land or Iron arc made that clear. With Hinata's confession being rapidly followed by a hug then Sakura's pseudo confession. Possible outcomes from this? Well it could be entirely genuine. However I think (and hope) that Kishi is dangling the proverbial carrot in front of the proverbial donkey before throwing it away.

2. That single box with Sakura in it. Her face is in my opinion surprised slightly uncertain. A combination of Hinata's sudden boldness and closeness to Naruto. (Slapping him, holding his cheek and the pep talk.) The uncertainty there is possibly more a hope on my part. But if it is there she is uncertain what she feels about Hinata getting so close to Naruto. The start of jealousy perhaps. Also the fact that Sakura gets a box given for her reaction says something.

3. Sakura needs a push. I mean a real push to get her to realize what Naruto may be to her. That would require him to be much closer to dying then he has ever been before, Naruto to actually die or for there to be some actual competition for Naruto. Enter Hinata.

4. Neji's death. This may seem unrelated to parings and it both is an isn't it more leads into the next point. Anyway Neji's death is the focal point of the interaction between Naruto and Hinata. Because of the loss of a friend Naruto would naturally feel vulnerable and he would be more sensitive with Hinata with her having lost the person who is essentially her brother in all but relation. So the entire thing could be the result of high strung emotions and our possible misunderstandings of it coming from Nartuo's use of metaphors and imagery. ("I'm never letting this hand go." Could just be him saying he's never letting this connection to everyone go.)
On a less pairing related note, if you think about it Neji's death has been considerably foreshadowed. The Neji Zetsu clone can be considered as such. However the kicker is way back in the Chunin Exams. When he revealed the bird cage seal. Particularly the fact it disappears on death. I think Kishi planned Neji dying all the way back then. The reason being he needed a means that confirmed the person was dead without them having to be checked and that would be able to be visible during the required last words. Thus Neji's ultimate role was to die. Show Naruto he can't save anyone. Break his resolve and open the gates for Hinata.

5. Roles. Specifically Hinata's and Sakura's. Sakura is meant to be the heroine of the story as well as being the main Romantic interest. Though she is not a vert good heroine at first and as a romantic interest... Well from my experience with anime she's quite plain for a romantic interest, excepting her hair, but that's part of her charm. She's not that special she's probably the most realistic character in the entire series in my opinion. As for peoples complaints that she beats Naruto? Originally I think it was Sakura coping with her own insecurity and lack of belief in herself and in Shippuden it is more for comedic effect and comes from a more Tsundere attitude from her so I don't think people can use this as a negative as it happens a lot in anime. Ranma, Zero No Tsukaima and ookami-san to shichinin no nakama-tachi to name some of the top of my head. Also logically with Sakura being the Heroine she should be paired with the Hero. Admittedly this is not always done, which is one of the reasons people give in support of NH.
Hinata's role is much less defined. To be honest though I liked her character (I was originally a NH supporter) looking back she didn't seem to have a reason to be there other than stutter, crush on Naruto and be an example of the harshness of her clan before the time skip. After the time skip she wasn't much better though she was upgraded to a potential Love rival with her 'growth'. Now though her role is much clearer. Yes she is a potential paring for Naruto but that's not her main role. She's there to inspire Naruto on at that desperate moment when Neji brought the farm. Going back to much earlier I'll explain how I came to that conclusion. Hinata has been inspired by Naruto. Wanting to emulate him to help him. That inspiration allowed her to grow in confidence and has cured her stutter (I wonder how many people noticed that amid the pairing wars and character deaths.). Her belief in him that stems from that and the inspiration he gave her is what allows her to slap Naruto and give him that inspirational speech. in simpler terms she is being the Naruto who inspires people onward and to be better for the one person who doesn't benefit from that Naruto himself. Like Neji's death I think Kishi had this planned out.

6. Now I'm getting into the old arguments. First up. Kushina. This one I've heard and read about alot. It has been done over and over again. So I'll keep it short. Sakura fits the description of a girl like Kushina that says Naruto should get as a girlfriend. While Hinata has been repeatedly been called weird which Kushina told Naruto to avoid. Considering it was the one occasion that he met his mother Naruto is unlikely to forget it. However. It could also be Kishi trolling the readers again. I'm also going to add Heaven and Earth bridge with this excerpt. Major score for NS fans it may be Yamato never finished his sentence that said NS fans assumptions are probably right.

7. Naruto has good instincts. I think he knew what he needed from the get go. Naruto has too much energy and is to put it simply an idiot he needed someone to balance him out and keep him in line Sakura fit that person. And here is where this sites name comes from. Heaven and Earth. Though mentally he can find himself challenged a lot of the time he is strong in body. Representing earth. Sakura was and still is strong in mind was weak in body. Representing heaven. Though both have improved on their weaker side they still fit that representation rather strongly. While Hinata seems quite balanced. Also I don't think Hinata would be able to keep Naruto in line like Sakura could.

8. Hinata has a possible pairing other than Naruto. Sakura does as well but it doesn't seem logically possible. Though I'll get some hate for saying this. Hinata has Kiba as an alternate option. Yes Sakura has Sasuke but it won't happen and to be honest there is no real love there anymore more a longing attachment to an old rose tinted dream but no real love. That and Sasuke is probably going to end up dead.

I'll leave it at that. This is already long enough that some people will just go TL;DR at it and to be honest I'd just start droning. Please remember when you reply that this is my opinion based on what I know from canon. There is not need to rage or flame me and I have tried to be reasonably balanced and have avoided aggressively blasting any parings while writing this. So tell me what you think.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

@Mathiasosx we still have to see the rest of this arc to make a conclusion.

[Mathiasosx]

@Mathiasosx we still have to see the rest of this arc to make a conclusion.

True but I'm basing it on what is there so far. Hypothesizing if you will.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Ok i think there's a misundersansting here you said the fact naruto's feelings are not broutht up constantly may mean he's over Sakura, and i told you sakura's feelings for sasuke have not been emphasized before the kage summit arc yet they were brought up again and since then. For a pairing to happen someone's feelings have to change and it will be done on panel. For nh to happen Naruto's feelings will have to be resolved first. It's not because they are not constantly brought up that they are not there, Sakura is a fine example of that.

Yes, that is what I said. And I agree with the rest as well. Many people speculated that Sakura got over Sasuke after the summit arc and even thought that in ch 539 Sakura was thinking of Naruto. ch 540 proved them wrong on both cases. It is possible that ch 623 will prove that Naruto still loves Sakura. We simply don't know yet and different people have different theories.

[Haaky]

This is why NaruHina is Canon it makes perfect sense!
Please try to take a joke people, it's just a joke
This forum needs some humor.

[PhenixElite]

This is why NaruHina is Canon it makes perfect sense!
Please try to take a joke people, it's just a joke
This forum needs some humor.

Bahahahaha!!! Just epic.